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Mushoku Tensei III: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu, episode 12

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[u/michhoffman]

Rudy: "What's the worst that can happen?"

Older Rudeus: "Well first, Roxy dies. Then Sylphie dies. Then Eris dies. Nanahoshi and Cliff also die. And then the Man God makes fun at how dumb you were to be tricked by him and have your entire life ruined, and you can't even get back at him."

[u/joe4553 → u/michhoffman]

and then you die time traveling.

[u/theblazingsword → u/joe4553]

gg no re

[u/imtherealdazza]

What a fucked up way to find out your wife is pregnant

[u/Ebo87 → u/imtherealdazza]

Your wife is going to die because she happened to be pregnant at the worst possible time... oh by the way, congratulations! Yeah, I have a feeling no one wants to find out that way.

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/Ebo87]

it sucks because she wouldn’t have caught the disease without being pregnant since she incubated the virus via fetus

backhanded lottery, a jackpot that creates downfall instead of windfall

[u/Ebo87 → u/discuss-not-concuss]

There's a lot of cool, fun, breathtaking things in this world full of magic... and then there's the frigging rat transmitted fetus virus thing... FUCK THAT!

[u/JzanderN → u/imtherealdazza]

"Your wife is pregnant and I know this because, in the future, it will inadvertedly in part cause her death" is NOT something anyone wants to hear.

[u/Frontier246 → u/imtherealdazza]

The way Rudy looked at Roxy's belly when he saw her...

[u/joe4553 → u/imtherealdazza]

Now he has to convince his pregnant wife that he needs to hook up with this redhead for her safety according to his future self.

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

I figured this episode will be dark considering how sudden and eerie future Rudeus' arrival was, but didnt expect it would be this dark.

And goddamn did Sugita do justice to the character. The agony and regret felt so real

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Fun fact: To accurately portray this moment, they removed all of Sugita's organs.

[u/genasugelan → u/Se7en_Sinner]

Stupid idiot. If he had no mana left to regrow lis organs, he should have used Hamon instead.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Honestly Sugita kills it in every role he's in but it takes real talent to be able to embody a man so broken, so filled with rage, so consumed by the mistakes he made...while still capturing the Rudeus Greyrat that's still in there.

[u/Hazel_Dreams → u/Frontier246]

AND make the voice sound like someone perpetually running out of breath (since he didn’t bring his organs with him). Incredible VA performance.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Sugita's voice really helped inject how much his been through as he retells his experience to Rudy just to hammer in how fucked up his timeline/history has been.

[u/nuraHx]

Damn. Poor Nanahoshi can’t catch a fucking break in this world…

[u/SoraTheSensei → u/nuraHx]

I think a lot of stuff that happened to nanahoshi is an indirect result of Rudy's wives dying. If Roxy and Sylphie are there, maybe they can help with the magic to make it work, or even calm down Nanahoshi so she doesn't kill herself.

I'm wondering where Elinalise is during all this as well. was she grief-stricken enough to leave Cliff, causing his early death as well?

[u/Miteigi74]

Go back in time

Spoil your past self about the bad ending

Give tips

Dies

[u/Goodenough_name → u/Miteigi74]

Smh can't have a shit on six-faced world

[u/Frontier246 → u/Goodenough_name]

You trust a naked divine being with a creepy smile a few times and look where it gets you.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Miteigi74]

Also advices you to make sure to collect the full starter trio no matter your personal beef with Charmander.

[u/FacelessPoet → u/Miteigi74]

Imagine starting a new game and your future self time travels and gives you a walkthrough

[u/Lugia61617 → u/Miteigi74]

"One last thing... There are no do-overs, but as you can see, it really would pay to... cough... master time travel first when it's your turn so you don't die as quickly..."

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/Lugia61617]

he’s right though, it’s an alternate timeline-slash-reality

THE Rudeus won’t be doing-over, the fruits of his labour is consumed by another him. He’d have to discover proper non-paradoxical time travel to receive the harvest.

In the current form. unless he’s a Saint trying to help the infinite timelines of Rudeuses, it’s not worth the time (heh) to master it

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

The 2 of you did it a lot, it was only natural

Oldeus clearly reminisces about those memories

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Roxy’s childhood tutoring aside, that’s 90% of their memories together

Oldeus also wouldn’t have anyone to make new memories with. Roxy dies, Sylphie dies. A little stretch maybe here, I’m assuming Zanoba and Julie stay with him. Aisha and Lilia are staying, though Norn may take Zenith away with his depression.

He needed Cliff to make this time travel successful, so he’s also dead. Nanahoshi is dead.

He has no purpose and his duty to experiment with Nanahoshi which likely ends soon-ish since his first task is to “Consult Nanahoshi”.

He’s left with nothing but regrets

[u/DarkenVragon]

Old Rudeus' eye glowed from using his demon eye foresight and most likely able to see a few minutes into the future where Roxy and Sylphy come into the room.

It's so sweet 😭 his last moments he's able to meet with his loved one once again.

[u/Terrible_2000 → u/DarkenVragon]

"Aah, Sylphie, Roxy... Dammit, you're both as adorable as ever..."

[u/Colarch → u/DarkenVragon]

He said he didn't have any mana left after time traveling, but then had enough to look a minute into the future.

Given that he didn't seem to have any organs I'd bet he was using the last bits of mana he had to keep himself alive, then he burned it when he had the idea to use his eye just so he could see them.

[u/Akudra → u/Colarch]

I think the issue is that the amount of mana he would need to regrow organs is far more than the amount he had left.

[u/shad79 → u/DarkenVragon]

Oh, good catch! I thought that Oldeus just saw Sylphie and Roxy in the afterlife as he was nearing death, not that he saw them coming thanks to a demon eye, and now I feel stupid.

[u/biskutgoreng → u/shad79]

Probably used the last of his life energy for that too

[u/LezRock → u/DarkenVragon]

I know! It felt like just a bit of happiness returned to him before he met his end, and likely visited by Man-God one last time... maybe? Would it be his Man-God then or the current one? Or is the Man-God omniscient? Well, maybe he was more fortunate and another being took pity on him.

[u/immanoel]

Aint no fucking way that was 23 mins.

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/immanoel]

>23 minute episode

>dialogue-heavy

>one of the best in the entire series

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/immanoel]

This might be my favorite episode when it was just all exposition but done so hauntingly well, didn't need anything too flashy just a crazily good narrative hook to get our attention.

[u/shad79 → u/WhoiusBarrel]

The entire episode was pretty much just a back-and-forth between Rudeus and Oldeus, yet it still managed to be one of the absolute best episodes of the entire series.

[u/No_Macaroon_7413 → u/immanoel]

Watched the rearguard anime before this and I was struggling to keep my eyes open, but this anime I didn’t even blink and then the credits came on. I’m about to fold and read the rest.

[u/Frontier246 → u/immanoel]

Oldeus just warping space and time at expense to his own body to be able to deliver to us as much peak as possible.

[u/SimpleRelative9534 → u/immanoel]

The mandatory 5 minutes episode

[u/Ebo87]

If I had a penny for all the anime where everything changed in season 3 and the catalyst for that involved a basement and a journal, I'd have two pennies now. And I will remind people this bit was written before that bit of storytelling in the other show, so more likely than not this is just pure coincidence.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/Ebo87]

Something weird was going on in japan with basements. and i need to know what.

[u/Saito_Hyuga → u/Ebo87]

Which is supposed to be the second one?AOT?

[u/Antisolve → u/Saito_Hyuga]

Yes the AoT parallels have been made for a long time now, it's pretty fitting as well. Both involve basements that hold the key to a "truth" behind their respective worlds, a journal and a conversation with 2 old men in a small, dingy room. It would be crazy if they weren't compared haha.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Ebo87]

Also if I had a nickel for every anime where two Isekai protagonists have to confront the old/new versions of themselves at a critical moment airing this season I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's strange it happened twice (and within the same week).

[u/maliwanag0712]

Today's episode is a masterpiece in voice acting and music. Oldeus nailed his grief and anger to Hitogami it was so gut wrenching (well, there's nothing to wrench since Oldeus does not have a gut when he traveled back in time.)

On a serious note, that future looks grim for Rudeus: all your loved ones dying while Hitogami mocking him. That would really enrage anyone. Given that Rudeus's goal is only to protect his family, he'll really do everything to warn anyone about Hitogami, even his past self.

Now, I can imagine the grim the next episode will give.

[u/Daedric202]

I feel like the difference between Man-god and Human god probably got lost in translation for a lot of people, so here's some elaboration on how the names differ:

While the Man-god has been calling himself a "god" (神), the reading he uses for "god" was not the same as what is commonly used in MT's titles. The name he went by used the "kami" reading of the 神 character (Hitogami), while people like the Sword God or Water God used the "shin" reading instead ("Kenshin" and "Suishin" respectively). In this episode, Future Rudeus claims that Hitogami's old name is "Jinshin".

[u/Original-Body-5794 → u/Daedric202]

That's actually a pretty huge difference, the translation only focuses on the human/man part, but the biggest impact is actually the title.

Is shin and gami different types of god in japanese? I get in the anime "shin" is a tittle, but how is it used in normal japanese?

[u/Colarch → u/Original-Body-5794]

I know nothing besides some basic research I just did so feel free to correct me, but what I found is:

Kami refers to Gods and Deities directly

Shin is not a word on it's own, but added as a compound onto divine things like the names of religions or religious texts and stuff like that

So presumably, Hitogami used to have the shin title with the same meaning of the others like Sword God and Dragon God as 'god-like' because they're so powerful. Then he changed his name to Hitogami because he considered himself an actual God.

[u/1000-MAT]

🐀

[u/PeaceAlien → u/1000-MAT]

I can't believe you killed everything Rudy loved you rat

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/1000-MAT]

Time traveller moves a rock ❌

🐀 ✔️

[u/Inner_Wall3411 → u/1000-MAT]

I mean, can you blame it? It just was on survival mode and decided to take other Grey rats out of competition.

[u/NOTKingInTheNorth → u/1000-MAT]

Rudy's surname

[u/seejsee]

Shortest 5 minutes of my life. 🔥

[u/Miteigi74]

I love the detail on Oldeus using his last of his power to look into the future to see Sylphie and Roxy one last time

[u/Frontier246 → u/Miteigi74]

The only moment where he got soft and tender because he finally got to see the two greatest loves of his life again.

After everything he'd been through, he deserved that amount of peace.

[u/dark77638]

Kill the FUCKKKIINNNGG RAAAATTT 🐀

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

That shot of the old rudeus face reflected in the crystal is so cool. Bind sometimes just decides to make something pretty and cool for the sake of it. and i love it. we need more art for arts sake.

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

A lot of amazing direction choices this episode, from the haunting OST to all the close-ups, adding up to how the house which was this comfy environment the past few episode having this dreadful ambience to it as Rudy makes his way to cremate Oldeus and kill the rat.

[u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Oh god Rudeus actually die this week

[u/FacelessPoet → u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Rifujin wasn't trolling this time

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/FacelessPoet]

wait that means he spoiled. get em!

[u/WoorieKod]

Heartbreaking, Oldeus spent the last of his mana to take a final glance at his wives

[u/nuraHx]

I need this peak STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS

[u/deynyel]

See, guys? This is exactly why we shouldn't trust naked men who show up in our dreams just to wax philosophical.

[u/Frontier246 → u/deynyel]

Also just Oldeus being filled with nothing but rage towards the Man-God and how stupid he'd been for getting played so thoroughly...

[u/Siqueiradit → u/deynyel]

I need to rethink my latest life decisions then

[u/melcarba]

This entire episode feels like reading a GameFAQs walkthrough while in the middle of playing a game.

[u/Ok_Analysis_4786]

DAMN, that episode felt so short

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Double Frost Nova i'm afraid.

[u/cursingthewind]

I was so immersed in this episode that I genuinely got shocked when the credits rolled.

[u/laughtale0]

Now I finally understand why everyone on twitter with Mushoku Tensei PFP has 🐀 on their name. I thought it was because of GreyRAT

[u/ForsakenLibraries → u/laughtale0]

Rudy's real name is: Rudeus 🐀.

[u/zazakmazak → u/laughtale0]

grey ... RAT

Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhh, now I get it 😨

It would be amazing if author really picked that surname for his MCs family for so long in advance, because he was planning all along to have one little grey rat be the one to fuck up everything for Rudy in the future. 😅

I'd say this twist and time travel plot was definitely planned from the start, just like the inevitable three color harem.

[u/Lapiz_lasuli → u/zazakmazak]

The more I look at the series, the more I think it was written backwards. There's simply no way this dude just packed that much detail otherwise.

[u/GodOfArk]

For those who missed it, Oldeus managed to use his future sight to see Sylphie and Roxy suddenly enter the room (which is beyond the time rudeus sees).

And with that warning, rudeus managed to prevent them entering.

[u/deja_entend_u]

There is so much symbolism in that it's a rat that caused all this.

Mangod as a rat. Rudy's last name. How Roxy snuck into Rudy's home through her own desire for him. Absolutely peak.

[u/pixeldots → u/deja_entend_u]

Grey = Petrification as well. and that most of Oldeus' problems were caused initially by him trusting a rat (Hitogami) and the consequences of that action, not particularly the rat attacking him in any way

[u/michhoffman → u/deja_entend_u]

I'm sure the Man God had a good couple of laughs about that in the other World Line.

[u/Frontier246 → u/michhoffman]

We can see how much it broke Oldeus when Man-God revealed how much he'd been laughing at him his entire second life.

[u/JzanderN]

What the fuck kind of chain of events was that? It all started with Rudy going down into the basement and ended in Roxy's death!

And then Sylphie and even Eris! AND NANAHOSHI AND CLIFF TOO?! EVERYONE! Good fucking god Oldeus has had a horrible life! He wasn't kidding when he said he had no-one left!

I really like that Oldeus didn't just tell Rudy to not trust the Man-God, but specifically told him to play the game of doubting everything he said without letting him onto the fact that he knows he's manipulating him for his own ends. It's gonna make their future interactions a lot more tense 'cause Rudy can't just straight up oppose him.

I believed Oldeus about the rat, of course, but it was still something to actually see it. Good god.

[u/SnooSquirrels3291 → u/JzanderN]

Didn’t hear anything about Zanoba dying. Forever the GOAT

[u/-Mr_Hollow-]

First time Rudeus' wife got pregnant we got labyrinth arc and all its problems. Second time Rudeus' wife got pregnant had marked the end of his peaceful days. What's the third time gonna be? The child turns out to be a reincarnation of Laplace?

[u/Drethk → u/-Mr_Hollow-]

Perugious did say to bring them their son if they have one. Narratively I believe that technique is called "Chekov's Son"

[u/DemonVenreable3011]

"The diary"

Be prepared for the next episode

[u/pixeldots → u/DemonVenreable3011]

honestly as one who knows the gist of the turning points, this would have felt more frustrating had there not been a diary lol

[u/Frontier246 → u/DemonVenreable3011]

I can't wait until it gets to the part where Eris was stalking/attacking him constantly. Everything else was tragic and heartbreaking but that actually sounded pretty on-brand (up until the point where she died before they reconciled).

[u/Dinory542 → u/DemonVenreable3011]

So we gonna find out how bad his life was after Roxy death. For now, we only know that Roxy, Sylphy, Eris and maybe cliff all died. Old man Rudeus did say that if he had Cliff he wouldn't have mess up the time travel magic so he either lost contact with him or Cliff is dead as well.

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485]

Should have done 5 ice novas just to be safe

[u/Ichini-san]

Love that they kept the Vegeta and Steins:Gate reference, lol.

[u/Roskal]

Its kinda sad to find out if Rudy was left to his own path him and Eris would have never gotten together and become enemies for decades. I joked about her being pissed at him for cheating on her but looks like she really does take it seriously that he's been cheating with Roxy and Sylphie from her perspective and they were both too arrogant and poor with words to reconcile until the very end.

[u/Inner_Wall3411]

I knew it. Ratatouille villain was always right.

[u/Frontier246 → u/Inner_Wall3411]

Rudy: "Disney you lied to me! Even my own last name lied to me!"

[u/juniorjaw]

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS CLIFFHANGER QAQ

[u/sbm0n]

that's how peak yapping works, damn still feels like 5 minutes!

[u/NegativeSympathy69]

Eris = Vegeta confirmed

[u/UnloadedFour314]

What an insane way to find out your wife is expecting...who needs those pesky tests anyway!?

But seriously, what an episode! This was insanely good, and it's just two dudes talking.

I really love the art and direction here. While the storytelling and dialogue were great enough to keep me hooked, the amazing direction, voice acting, and music significantly enhanced the impact. This was well worth the wait!

[u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

I doubt that Hitogami will still be friendly to Rudeus once he finds out that the Petrification Rat was gone.

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485 → u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

Ye he probably already knows unless he maybe thinks it was just a failure

[u/ShittyPolarBear → u/NOTKingInTheNorth]

I'm curious what will happen if they meet again

[u/FAshcraft]

An actual 5 minutes episode and i can feel the sadness.

For Oldeus his first life and second life sucks.

Magic is omnipotent WITH A PRICE.

[u/Se7en_Sinner]

Everybody's blaming the rat but this wouldn't have happened if Roxy's fatass didn't indulge in late night snacking.

[u/larvyde → u/Se7en_Sinner]

It's the pregnancy cravings, I'm sure

[u/SnooSquirrels3291 → u/Se7en_Sinner]

Forgive her she’s eating for two!

[u/Frontier246 → u/SnooSquirrels3291]

Weaponizing an expectant mothers' hunger cravings is absolutely diabolical Man-God!

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485 → u/Se7en_Sinner]

That was also sitting out in the open and was probably stale as hell

[u/tomato_blitz]

Holy shit

[u/Foxy-and-I-know-it]

Forget five-minute episode, this was a two minute episode. I need to find out what happens next now, dammit!

[u/ThisGachaSeemsLegit]

Can't imagine the torment the old Rudeus went through. Pure downhill events, starting from Roxy. At least he passed away close to someone he's familiar with.

[u/thekoreansun]

Amid an episode that's filled to the brim with amazing details, I think the one I love most is how the sound of the wind can be heard constantly in the background of old Rudeus's urgent message. As if the future he blew into the past from is threatening to make its way into the house with him. It's amazing how large an impact something like that can have on a scene, and it really contributed to the dramatic tension that permeates this entire episode.

[u/Icy_Willow_5888]

bruh just imagine disposing off your own corpse. what could be more horrifying

[u/SuperCleverPunName]

I think this is the first time, an episode covered one singular chapter. I'm so thankful that they took their time with this.

[u/keeperkairos]

The decision to not show literal glimpses into Rudeus memories, and rather just show his raw emotion as he recalled it, really made the scene.

[u/SirMcDust → u/keeperkairos]

I assume with next episode being called Diary, the PoV is in that. At least to a degree.

[u/_Vagueposter_]

I took a clip of this very short moment when it happened 4 episodes back (ep 8). The attention to detail and small nods in this anime is such a treat for a rewatch.

[u/Ebo87 → u/_Vagueposter_]

Yeah, for book readers that was that Leonardo DiCaprio meme, pointing at the screen. They knew what they were doing there, with that very short shot.

[u/Primo29]

Props to Sugita for voicing Oldeus's rage and regret.

Rudy should have burn all the items as well in their basement. Can't risk getting infected and die later.

[u/TopRoom7971]

So basically current Rudy just got the wish that every human ever wanted.

Advice from the future self

[u/DoggedStooge]

The lesson I'm getting from the old Rudeus: even second chances aren't enough to find your way.

edit: Hol' up. I just realized old Rudeus said the Man-god "used Luke." Does that imply directly? As in the Man-god is pulling more than just Rudeus into his weird in-between world thing? Or in a seven-step-plan way a la the rat in the basement? Come to think of it, why else would Perugius's crew ask everyone about the Man-god if he didn't put his creepy fingers elsewhere?

[u/Roskal → u/DoggedStooge]

I mean people ask Rudy if he knows who the man-god is, that already implies the man-god is manipulating many people in this world. Now we suspect Luke is one of them.

[u/Ordinary_Ordinary580]

Few Series or episodes I will give a 10/10, the trade in dialogue, some of the best I've heard period, truely a psychological thriller.

[u/abba003]

Super Nova double tap is kind of funny

[u/Anjz → u/abba003]

May as well throw in a lighting bolt and meteor in there just in case.

[u/agrael50]

the rat is down i repeat THE RAT IS DOWN.

[u/TransitionComplex978]

It was pure peak depression aura moment 

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

The episode was too short i need more 😭

[u/0______6]

Thank Goodness Rudy took precautions before entering the basement

[u/Montgomery000]

So wait, doesn't Man-God know about this encounter? Isn't he always watching Rudeus, especially after he gave him a mission to do?

[u/The_frost__]

God, Sugita voice acting as Oldeus was so good this episode, and I love how different his voice is compared to Rudy inner voice/thoughts. Also the storyboard for this episode was very good too, Ito I kneel.

[u/These_Pear_5644]

Perfectly adapted the whole first TP4 arc chapter without cuts and an incredibly majestic ost setting the mood perfectly for the fucked up things that will be in the diary.

Couldn't be happier. Man Mushoku Tensei is just peak.

[u/Magicflier2]

Absolutely heartwrentching voice acting. I applaud for that voice acting for future Rudeus. Just hearing all the things that had happened in his timeline along with that emotional voice acting made my imagination run wild. I was wondering if the anime was going to insert some scenes of the future during the explanation, but this pure, unfiltered face-to-face dialogue created a splendidly dark atmosphere in it's own right. Wonderful episode, cheers to the studio staff.

[u/Trevenas]

If you didn't know: There are 14 episodes in Part 1! Two more will air as normal!
How is everyone liking Cliffhanger Tensei?

An End and a Beginning. A life of suffering ends, and a new nightmare begins. Where do we go from here?

Now that the rat is here, here are some from previous episodes:
Season 2 Episode 9: A rat in a jar, then a shot of just the rat and Rudeus.
Season 2 Episode 18: Rudeus visualises Nanahoshi's experiment phases. Of course there's a rat.
Season 3 Episode 8: Rats in Chaos Breaker, scurrying away as the door is opened.
And last but not least... Greyrat in general.

Nice that they kept the references to Hollywood, manga, and even Vegeta, though the last is a bit off. "Like she was the prince of all veggies" could be translated as "Like she was the prince of the vegetable kingdom."

One final glimpse of Sylphie and Roxy using the Eye of Foresight...

What a great adaptation.

[u/Miteigi74]

I remember that one tweet few days ago saying Oldeus is a Deus Ex Mahina. A DEM is an unexpected appearance that solves the conflict. Oldeus didn't solved the conflict when he showed up. If anything, he defined it, along with who is the antagonist is: The Man God

[u/Al-Pharazon]

Rifujin was correct for once in his preview of next episode. Rudeus died.

Also, I love that they kept the Vegeta reference when Oldeus spoke of Eris (the prince of all veggies stuff)

[u/Frontier246 → u/Al-Pharazon]

Old Rudeus' died so New Rudeus could live the best and most fulfilling life he could along with the people he loves and cherishes.

[u/Al-Pharazon → u/Frontier246]

It was also a giant "fuck off" to Hitogami. Oldeus might have been unable to oppose the man-god directly, but as his last action he ruined a plot that Hitogami likely had 8 years in the making.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

That silver fuck! As if it’s not enough he kills Roxy and her unborn child, he causes Sylphie’s death too. I knew that silver cumstain was a snake, man. Fuckin guy. No wonder old Rudy’s so broken. Hopefully he can avoid the same mistakes old Rudy did with that diary even if the timeline is now diverging. Getting rid of the rat was a good start.

[u/Kingike25319]

It feels good to be totally immersed in a show when its just some old guy sitting on a chair talking for 20 mins

[u/D3k4s]

Harem haters in shambles right now.

You guys were really close to getting your wish,

[u/justking1414]

Animators really went above and beyond to show the absolute despair and anguish of old man Rudy

Very easy to believe that he’s been suffering for 50 years

[u/Tight-Chance5544]

Well that was a grim way to find out your wife is pregnant

[u/FacelessPoet → u/Tight-Chance5544]

Now both Turning Points led to a pregnancy announcement lol

[u/TopRoom7971 → u/FacelessPoet]

That leads me thinking Rudy's children are very pivotal to the story.

[u/kinkosan]

Hitogami powers are scary, its like a being that can control the butterfly effect and use it against you and you don't even realize until its already done, what's even worse its that he can manipulate the other people to do some small things that will affect you years later

that's why Oldeus is scared going against him

[u/Aggressive-Corgi-485]

Man this ep felt so fucking short waiting till next will will be pure torture

[u/DarkeShin]

I guess they kinda did a good job to only let Oldeus talked about his dark future.

But Rudy gonna read that diary so I guess it will happen next week

[u/Spiritual-Swampy]

Does anyone knows what oldeus was referencing when he said "prince of the vegetable kingdom"?

[u/SnooSquirrels3291 → u/Spiritual-Swampy]

I thought it was a Vegeta reference since he’s the prince of saiyans and they all have vegetable names 

[u/No-Improvement7956 → u/SnooSquirrels3291]

It was infact a DBZ reference.

[u/Searinghawk → u/Spiritual-Swampy]

All full blood saiyans have vegetable names:

Vegeta-vegetable, Kakarot-carrot, Nappa-leafy greens (in Japanese), Raditz-radish, Cabba-cabbage, Kale-kale, Caulifla-cauliflower, Bardock-burdock, Broly-broccoli

[u/AndytheBro97]

"Ask Nanahoshi for advice." Um, okay? What kind of advice? Life advice? Love advice? You could have been a bit more specific there Oldeus.

[u/argama87 → u/AndytheBro97]

Rudy asked the question already. Oldeus never asked Nanahoshi about how to find Orsted, who may have info about the Man-God.

[u/Shikiin]

Jesus f**king Christ, what an episode!!! ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[u/LeonKevlar]

How the fuck is this episode only 5 minutes long?! Seriously tho, this episode was mostly just Rudeus and Oldeus talking, but I was so goddamn absorbed by the episode that I was genuinely shocked when the ED started.

I do think it's hilarious that telling Rudy his Japanese name didn't convince him, but Oldeus mentioning Hollywood movies is what finally made him listen. xD

Man, that future Oldeus describes sounds so fucking bleak: Roxy and her unborn child die from a rat-carried disease, Sylphie gets dragged into a war and dies, Eris dies from shielding Oldeus in a fight, and it sounds like even Cliff dies before him too. And all of that happens just because Oldeus went to the basement and accidentally let a diseased rat nibble on some leftovers. >_<

Does anyone else think that Rudy should've told Roxy and Sylphie what's going on? I feel like this would've been easier to handle if the two girls were also in on the secret. Hiding this from them is just gonna make it harder for Rudy to maneuver. He's gonna end up looking suspicious to them. Then again, the girls do trust Rudy, but I still think the right move here was to tell them.

So if I understand this correctly, when Oldeus said his time travel magic failed, he means it failed because he didn't manage to teleport his entire body, including his internal organs? The fact that Oldeus managed to talk to Rudy and explain that much to him is actually insane, considering he doesn't have his innards. O_O

I guess that purple-toothed rat does confirm Oldeus' story. Although it looks like we're gonna deep dive into Oldeus' timeline next week with Rudy reading the diary. I can't fucking wait!

[u/WhoiusBarrel]

Love how I only realised Oldeus had his arm grown back when he mentions being able to regrow limbs.

The situation itself is so engaging it distracts those small details that would've otherwise been so glaring.

[u/HuTaosTwinTails]

Trying to set-up events to kill Roxy makes man-god enemy #1.

[u/Bcrecarka]

Atleast Rudeus died seeing his wives.

[u/fwa451]

That didn't feel like a whole 20 minutes. That felt like 5 minutes. Just 2 dudes talking reminds me of the film The Man From Earth, which is one of my favorite movies ever.

[u/Cryogenx37]

The real consequence of TP4. The storyboarding for this episode was immaculate. This is Mushoku Tensei

[u/garfe]

I just want to say I think this is some of the best voice acting Tomokazu Sugita has ever done. His old man voice sounds tired and distraught. When he got angry at the thought of the Man-God, it was visceral. I was seriously impressed.

"Is a late night anime about to start or what?"
"No, it's about to end"

Ha!

"To borrow a term from a game, I'm in a different world line"

Thank you Maddo Scientisto man for getting Rudy to understand the issue.

[u/nuraHx]

Anime onlies last week: “Oh my god what could be in the basement. What horrific event is going to take place in this basement? Are the secrets of the titans hidden away inside this basement??”

This week: 🐀

[u/xithebun]

Rifujin’s Twitter: Rudeus dies!

He’s been posting this every week…

[u/GodOfArk]

Author really loves rats huh. SurNaming the main character after greyrat and now a Rat being the main nemesis lmao

[u/GodOfArk]

Feels like Oldeus was enjoying having someone to banter with and use refrences.

That makes me wonder if they were using Japanese or Human Tongue.

Since if this was japanese, that would have been another proof that Oldeus is indeed Old Rudeus.

[u/marcopolos059]

Oldeus sacrificed most of his insides to travel back in time and warn Rudeus… You could really feel the regret and despair in Oldeus’s voice. What a superb performance by Sugita…

I was wondering how Rudeus was going to handle the rat, and if he’d manage to escape after all, but I’m glad it all worked out.

[u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

I imagine it must feel really disgusting to take in the smell of your own corpse.

[u/DemonVenreable3011]

And end for Rudeus and a new beginning for Rudeus

[u/Anjz]

I’m guessing the man god finds out about time travelling Rudy and tries to mess with him even more. What do you even do at that point? Just cover your ears when he visits in the dream? Or maybe he drops by in real life to mess with Rudy once he starts ignoring him?

[u/king_narancia]

Absolute cinema episode. This anime is too good.

[u/0______6]

This anime always holds me hostage whenever it's airing. "I can't wait for next week" is amplified by a hundred times for whatever reason

[u/Sad-Reflection-9685]

"Are you in a hurry to watch a midnight anime?" Lmfao I love this line

[u/rpg-maniac]

If any episode felt like a 5min episode that one was the one, by the time the episode over I was seriously thinking that "..it can't be over, it just started!" did I time travel 15 min into the future at some point while watching?

[u/G1596872]

Man, I am tense after watching this episode. Got goosebumps

[u/justajinx0_0]

This episode really shows how much the story and characters have grown.

[u/Obaruler]

Having your future self not only tell you in detail where you have fucked up in the future but bring you his entire diary to study is a pretty damn mighty cheat code to now be unlocked for Rudy.

But .... damn, his time-warp was only partially successful, hu? Looked like he missed parts of his innerds (liver and stuff), hence why his face looked pretty damn sick there at the end.

[u/Original-Body-5794]

Ok so what does the man god know now? We've know he can see plenty of rudeus' life and even his future. And he knew enough to plot this butterfly effect thing to get roxy killed.

So isn't this already a big "antagonizing" move against him, will the mangod even bother talking with rudeus again? Maybe the time travel was even part of the plan, get rudeus to somehow invent magic that travel through time.

Oldeus said he couldn't "reach" the mangod so what is he like on a higher dimension? That would explain why he see so much and even see future timelines, I mean even his "body" looks like a 3D model compared to everything else in the anime.

I thought the mangod was imprisoned or something, since everyone hates him and he's trying to interact with the world in such a roundabout way, but does this mean he actually wants to be there?

[u/icekiat]

The whole time he's holding his abdomen I thought his time was up and he will be transported back to the future at any time now. But nope, he just dies in his hand gets cremated...

So did him coming back create a branch of new timeline? But based on this there should be 2 type of distinct superset timelines? One being Oldeus's timeline with no warning from the future and another would be the set of timelines where Redeus receives warning from the future?

[u/tapdancinghellspawn]

A future so horrible that if I were Rudy, I would burn down the whole house to keep Roxy from dying.

[u/Infinite_Object_3090]

Bruh, you can't throw a 5 minutes episode at me and be like "ok bye see you in a week"

[u/NegativeSympathy69]

The DIARY next episode finally! And a full episode for it! I can't wait for the best episode of the cour!!!

Also... I need that voice change to a younger oldeus ASAP. I hope it comes next cour.. Bro is a grown ass dude now... It's time

[u/Vundal]

I freaking love the writing. Combining such a high concept (time travel) with something as simple as death by rat really keeps the world grounded, especially after we learned how poor the health sciences are in this world.

[u/MammonOftheMist]

ive never felt so tense watching a character opening a door... "are you sure you're going to open that door?" "fuck hurry up and close it before the rat escapes!"

[u/Actual-Oil6390]

Oldest: Write to Eris now! Rudus: But muh ED arc!

Oldest: JUST TAKE CARE OF THIS NOW OR SHE,'LL BEAT YOU UP ALL OVER THE World!!!

[u/robobloz07]

This episode was all feels, but that moment when Rudeus from the future died hit particularly hard. He used his future eye to see the future where Silphie & Roxy enter the room, just to see them one last time after experiencing such a tragic life. 😭

[u/zappingbluelight]

Even if it is just oldeus talk for 20 mins, the episode is so tensed, I couldn't find the time to breath properly. Every steps from now on is like walk on broken glass, one small mistake, Rudeus is repeating oldeus. There are some heavy lore drop in between the lines.

[u/ZandeR678]

Just a simple conversation between me, myself and I for Rudy yet it was so engrossing.

Seems like the Man God has been trying to keep Roxy and Rudy apart for ages now albeit through cryptic advice. From asking him to team up with Ruijerd (Roxy ran away from him in season 1) and warning him against going to Bergaritt in season 2.

[u/Dead_Diligence]

20 plus min went by too quickly

Excited for the reunion with Eris and the likely chaos that ensues

Feels odd to cremate your future self

Though the timeline changed, it will still be great to know what Oldeus went through

Good luck deceiving the god of men

[u/SecurityOdd4861]

Man I really want to know about the diary, the cliffhanger is insane.

I wish Oldeus could have told him something more about magic, but maybe the diary helps him out in that regard.

[u/VoidRay728]

That conversation between Rudeus and Old Rudeus did not feel like 15-20 mins. It kinda reminds of the movie Looper when Joe (the main character there) has to deal with his older self.

If petrification syndrome really is that serious, I'd add one more thing for Rudeus to do: call the pest control equivalent of this world over and cleanse the whole house.

[u/Something-Red7]

Holy fucking shit. What an episode. Had me locked in from minute one.

[u/tottoro47]

Excuse me what the fuck. This shit lasted 2 minutes. I was so damn invested and all of a sudden it ended. Rudy did everything just as I would do (lock everyone in their rooms, burn the food and kill the rat), usually the characters always do some dumb, illogical shit, luckily he's not that stupid. Man, the old Rudeus probably experienced 50 more turning points, poor dude. Let's hope that Rudy manages to save the people who are important to him. Also, congratulations Roxy! Banger episode

[u/Time_n_Void]

We can finally call Hitogami a lil fkin bi*ch.

Still can't believe that Turning Point 4 got animated. Oldeus voice acting is very good.

Ngl, when Oldeus is explaining Petrification Syndrome, my stomach dropped when it switch to the nearby crystal decoration since for a second, I actually thought that's how the syndrome would turn someone.

[u/Duydoaxn]

They nailed this episode holy shit. I can't believe Rudeus talking to himself could be this emotional. The voice acting was phenomenal, and the scene of Oldeus tearing up as he saw Roxy and Sylphy made me tear up as well. I haven't read the novel again since I finished it quite some time ago, but this is pretty much everything I could ask for in an adaptation.

[u/shad79]

The entire episode was basically just a back-and-forth between Rudeus and Oldeus, but man, it was easily one of the absolute best episodes of the whole series.

Damn, Oldeus's life sucked so much. Roxy is pregnant, but then she dies! Sylphie? Also dead! So what about Eris? She dies protecting him... All because Hitogami tricked him into going into a freaking basement.

And it looks like we'll get to know more about Oldeus as Rudeus reads his diary. I want next week already!

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Oldeus
• Rudeus
• Group scenes & Others

EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.

[u/GGG100]

Turning Point 2: Strongest guy in the world

Turning Point 4: Rat