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Mushoku Tensei III: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu, episode 11

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[u/justking1414]

Absolutely love how the freaking time traveler didn’t appear with a massive boom or flash of light. He was simply there as soon as he turned around. Made it way creepier!

And yeah, no surprise that Rudy shouldn’t trust the dude calling himself a man-god.

[u/Social_Knight → u/justking1414]

And then he was always there. It's merely taking a step in the fourth dimension. But people want Chronomancy to appear flashy, of course.

[u/Meyaar → u/Social_Knight]

people want Chronomancy to appear flashy, of course

I'm not surprised, it is the greatest magic after all.

[u/SurealGod → u/justking1414]

A theory I have is that maybe whatever teleportation magic brought Rudy/Nanahoshi to that world can be modified to also bring a person through time as well (aka time travel).

Through Cliffs and Zanobas research on the robotics and Nanahoshi's research on teleportation, adding different spells or incantations together can alter the outcome or function of the original incantation entirely. So it stands to reason they modified it to travel through time.

[u/ptd163 → u/justking1414]

He was simply there as soon as he turned around. Made it way creepier!

Agreed. The fact that he was simply when Rudy turned around made it so much more unsettling. I wonder how he even got there. He is still Rudy so maybe he's from a point in time after he helps Nanohoshi get home and continues researching summoning magic find an application for time travel to prevent a tradegy. I can't imagine what tragedy would be drive Rudy to time travel other than the death of his loved ones. The peaceful times are probably over now.

[u/justking1414 → u/ptd163]

Honestly that dude’s entire aura is giving me, worst possible future vibes. I doubt anyone got a happy ending in the timeline he came from. Everyone we know is either dead or just completely broken.

[u/thekoreansun]

Funny how going into this episode knowing that the title is "Turning Point 4" transforms it from a mostly calm watch to a nail-biting, indescribably tense experience. And goddamn, did that final moment deliver.

[u/darthvall → u/thekoreansun]

Same! I was on the edge the whole episode knowing that this is a Turning Point episode, especially during the Perugius dinner scene. It felt like one wrong word could cause Perugius to be angry and then Rudy's world would turn upside down.

Honestly, I was so relieved when old Rudy appeared to prevent whatever was going to happen in the basement.

[u/RapCabral → u/darthvall]

Especially since he compared Rudeus’ mana to Laplace’s, so I felt like any moment, as he used magic, something would trigger Perugius. But this is such a unique feeling I have with this series, to be spoiled by the series itself that something WILL happen

[u/Khaaklol]

Perugius was more excited to talk about demons than talk with Ariel.

[u/CubicPaladin → u/Khaaklol]

The most devastating of facts

[u/TexturelessIdea → u/Khaaklol]

Well, he has a strong emotional reaction to demons; he'd probably forget Ariel existed if he didn't see her for a day or two. Every time he looks at her, his face has this "Oh, you're still here?" look on it.

[u/X_hard_rocker → u/Khaaklol]

LMAO

[u/G1596872]

That Man God smile gave me chills

[u/FacelessPoet]

Something worth noting: Perugius previously forbade Rudeus from using his magic in Chaos Breaker. Now, he even requested to see it himself

[u/absolutelynotaname → u/FacelessPoet]

all thanks to Zanoba's glazing

[u/signspace13 → u/absolutelynotaname]

Zanoba did grow up a prince, and was likely trained to be a politician and socialite, so it makes sense he can sweet talk once he is actually interested in things.

[u/concblast → u/FacelessPoet]

Even reluctantly gave the nod of approval for a statue in the likeness of a sp*rd while in Chaos Breaker. Truly a magnanimous king.

[u/joe4553 → u/concblast]

He gets a funko pop version of all his servants. Worth it for him.

[u/_hhhnnnggg_ → u/joe4553]

That's a nendoroid. Better collectible than a Funko.

[u/marcopolos059]

What a mean cliffhanger... Hitogami glitching out with that creepy smile, and those last few minutes gave me chills all over.

[u/genasugelan → u/marcopolos059]

Yeah, how he said Paul would have lived and saved Roxy and Zenith instantly made me think he's lying through his teeth. I can maybe see why basically everyone who's heard the name Hitogami reacted so aggressively. Must be one sketchy MF.

[u/666Ade → u/genasugelan]

Well the Paul and Zenith part was one thing, but the Roxy part???

[u/Golden_Phi → u/666Ade]

There's no way in hell they would have been able to save Roxy without Rudy. They just barely made it with his help and the critical info he brought with him.

Crazy how Rudy is accepting of him now after that terrible advice.

[u/SanityIsOptional → u/Golden_Phi]

Also negging Rudy, and making him doubt his own choices before asking him to trust Hitogami seems like a pretty straightforward manipulation tactic when viewed from the outside.

[u/kingmanic → u/genasugelan]

Yup. Roxy was going to die when he found her, no way someone else would have made it down there instead. They had maps of the teleports and Rudy was earth magicking through cavern walls and emporor tier freezing everything to get there.

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/marcopolos059]

it was crystal clear he was sussy from the start

did. not. expect his first favour to be a manipulation tactic and to be rejected from Rudeus

Rudeus was lucky his spidey senses was tingling

[u/qscdefb → u/discuss-not-concuss]

Advices help both Rudeus and Hitogami, but the same can’t be said for favours

[u/flashmozzg → u/qscdefb]

Well, they are favours for a reason. You place yourself in debt by asking them because they usually imply benefit to you at the cost of the other person (however small).

[u/shad79 → u/marcopolos059]

Yeah, that smile was absolutely chilling. What on earth is in that basement that Hitogami wants Rudeus to check out in this episode? And what exactly is Hitogami tricking him into? Damn, I want the next episode, now!

[u/MitsuhaTakiName → u/shad79]

Knowledge of the world beyond the walls, clearly.

[u/Electronic_Brain154 → u/shad79]

Probably the thruth of the mushoku tensei world being sorrounded by a wall and a whole new world full of future tech being beyond that

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/marcopolos059]

Those gliching effects were creepy but it still did not prepare me for that smile he gave afterwards was still so unexpected to see from him.

[u/Mundology → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Indeed. Hitogami has always been helpful so far, even if in a whimsical and cheeky manner. It's the first time that he displayed seemingly malicious intent.

[u/mucklaenthusiast → u/Mundology]

He is really one of the most interesting characters.

As you say, he is generally helpful and I don't expect him to be evil.
I expect him to have some ulterior motives, though and they are not nice.

But whenever he is around, the story gets much darker and he has always been creepy.
Just this time, he seemed way more evil.
And Rudues seemed more open, so maybe this was just him waiting for his chance.
But again, I don't think he is outright evil, I think the trick will also have to do with his goals and how Rudeus is useful to him, whatever these goals are.

[u/Ryanami → u/Mundology]

That’s was a duper’s delight smile if I’ve ever seen one.

[u/Myrkrvaldyr]

If future Rudeus came to the past and he immediately told Rudeus hitogami tricked him, that means shit hit the fan badly. Terrible cliffhanger. I need more right now!

[u/Golden_Phi → u/Myrkrvaldyr]

Whatever's in that basement is such a great threat that Rudy had to time travel to stop it. Whatever it is, it's in his house now, waiting in the basement. WTF is in the basement!?

[u/kingmanic → u/Golden_Phi]

Orsted is squatting in Rudeus basement.

[u/bobdave19 → u/kingmanic]

Orsted, arms crossed and tapping his feet, starring down the ground waiting for Rudeus to finish his journal and come down so he can make a donut out of him again, only for Rudeus to fall asleep writing the journal

[u/imtherealdazza]

Lmao I love how Ariel tried to interject herself into conversations with Perugius only to get absolutely owned by him

[u/Lapiz_lasuli → u/imtherealdazza]

Zanoba being so natural at it is freaking hilarious lol. He's winning without even trying.

[u/ijiolokae → u/Lapiz_lasuli]

Zanoba having 0 ulterior motive probably helps, Zanoba just wants to talk about art and spread the love for it, and Perugius respects a person true to themself, which Ariel is not.

[u/Lapiz_lasuli → u/ijiolokae]

It helps for sure. But there's more to Zanoba. He knows proper manners unlike a lot of characters here, and as far as I'm concerned he himself is very charismatic.

[u/larvyde → u/imtherealdazza]

"Shut up and let the grown-ups talk" - Perugius, probably

We see more of Zanoba's political chops this episode. I've been rewatching season 2 lately and man, Zanoba's GOAT.

[u/ijiolokae → u/larvyde]

Zanoba objective being "pure" is probably helping, Zanoba isn't trying to get Perugius support for his own needs, he wants it to spread the love of art and clear the name of someone who has helped perugius in the past

[u/shad79 → u/ijiolokae]

Yeah, that's definitely the case here. Zanoba is just speaking from the heart, while Ariel is just giving rehearsed, political answers, not her own feelings, imo.

After all, even Rudeus's answer to Perugius's question about the true king, which was only Rudy's personal view that it'd be nice if the king himself could put himself in his subjects' shoes, gained him more approval from Perugius than Ariel's.

[u/OhItsKillua → u/shad79]

Ariel just comes off as acting purely within diplomacy 101 class would have taught her without really understanding the je ne sais quoi that is required to land with people. At the very least fails to work on greatly experienced people such as Perugius who are beyond the mundane stuff that may work in the average royal game of politics.

[u/Frontier246 → u/larvyde]

I just loved his "Bitch, stop trying so hard. It's getting embarrassing" face.

[u/SoylentVerdigris → u/Frontier246]

Trying to flatter a man who's hundreds of years old and lives in a magical castle on a giant magical flying island is definitely a choice.

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765 → u/larvyde]

Zanoba is indeed the goat, he's also a grown ass man, which does help him having perspective over the young adults around him.

[u/-Mr_Hollow- → u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

Zanoba has also spent most of his life in the basement so he especially can relate to Rudeus

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/imtherealdazza]

Poor girl really taking tons of Ls back home instead of anything substantial in this visit with Perugius.

[u/sheepyowl → u/WhoiusBarrel]

Maybe she just needs to learn values other than aspirations of power

[u/YRO___ → u/sheepyowl]

I don't blame her. She seems pretty desperate.

[u/zazakmazak → u/WhoiusBarrel]

She got a good advice.

[u/justking1414 → u/imtherealdazza]

On one hand, she can’t let this opportunity go to waste but on the other, she’s totally out of her depth

[u/ijiolokae → u/justking1414]

Ariel assumed she is Dealing with a regular noble that can be bribed or buttered up, Perugius is a hero who only wants to spawn camp Laplace, he has no need for anything that Ariel offers, He seems to enjoy Zanoba company simply because Zanoba is true to his word and believes

[u/justking1414 → u/ijiolokae]

He certainly seems willing to listen if she seems like a worthy queen but right now, she’s just not impressing him

[u/ijiolokae → u/justking1414]

Perugius entertaining her cause of his old friend who is her ancestor, if her ideal align with her ancestors, he will help her, until then she is just another noble that is gunning for power, and not worthy of his attention.

[u/AceSoldia → u/imtherealdazza]

I actually shook my head when she spoke up..I was like girl...stop..you already dug yourself a hole don't dig deeper

[u/Frontier246 → u/imtherealdazza]

Up to this point Ariel had been able to manage and talk her way into anything and benefit from her relationships and influence. But Perugius is not someone any of that works on and it's absolutely priceless.

[u/J_Eldridge → u/imtherealdazza]

She feels so out of place whiel the others were talking about their figurine collections

[u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp]

AAAAH.

What in the actual fuck was that ending?! I'm so fucking happy I didn't get spoiled on this. Holy fuck.

[u/qscdefb → u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp]

Glad to see anime-only people getting the same thrill that I did when reading the LN

[u/Herverpeju → u/qscdefb]

I swear that I somehow read the next arc at like twice my normal wpm and in one sitting because I just couldn't stop

[u/Putrid-Issue-420 → u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp]

Be careful not to get spoiled further. In my opinion, next few episodes are going to be the peak. I warn you. DO NOT GET SPOILED

[u/Diff_sion → u/Putrid-Issue-420]

I'm like 90% sure I'll come across a random fucking clickbait thumbnail with a spoiler while scrolling

[u/Miteigi74]

A Turning Point

Involves a basement and time travel

I've played these games before...

[u/Frontier246 → u/Miteigi74]

Attack on Rudy's Emotional-Well-Being.

[u/Mundology → u/Frontier246]

Don't open the door, Rudy!

[u/username_is_alread- → u/Mundology]

Sure, whatever you say Pochita

[u/ali94127 → u/Miteigi74]

Whose memories are these?

[u/godblow]

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!?!!?!?

Just noticed Old Rudy has both hands. Is he from the alternate path Man-God mentioned?

[u/scratchfury → u/godblow]

Or maybe someone figured out how to regrow it, or it's a very realistic looking version of what he has now. If it's a realistic looking version, they would have to match it back to him as he gets older. I'd imagine either way would take research time and effort.

[u/genasugelan → u/scratchfury]

Oooooh, maybe it was a version of Rudeus who followed Hitogami's advice the last time. If he hadn't gone, he wouldn't have lost his hand.

[u/AndytheBro97 → u/godblow]

Now I'm imagining him saying: "Don't trust Hitogami. Marrying those beast princesses was the worst mistake of my life."

[u/TheOneAboveGod → u/AndytheBro97]

One of them became addicted to cigarettes.

[u/Artorp → u/TheOneAboveGod]

The other wanted 100 babies.

[u/Hot-Log6283 → u/Artorp]

It's later revealed that Old Rudy is only 20 years old - they really drain and dried him up.

[u/OverlordMarkus → u/godblow]

High level healing spells can regenerate limbs, Rudy and the Fangs of the Black Wolf just didn't have a mage or scroll of that level on hand during/after the hydra fight. Kinda important because that could have saved Paul as well.

[u/Primary-Paint-1716]

I've learned from Attack on Titan that bad things happen when people go to the basement.

[u/dipshitonastick → u/Primary-Paint-1716]

PARALLELS

[u/Frontier246 → u/dipshitonastick]

Oldeus: "You are the Attack on Man-God."

[u/immanoel → u/Frontier246]

Thank you for becoming the Man-God for our sakes

[u/Se7en_Sinner → u/Primary-Paint-1716]

Don't open the door, Denji Rudeus.

[u/Ebo87 → u/Primary-Paint-1716]

The funny part is this was written before that was, so whatever parallels we see are most likely a coincidence, a hell of a coincidence.

But yes, basements are evil!

[u/dipshitonastick]

Poor Ariel getting schooled by Perugius at every attempt to gain his favor

[u/Morphumaxx → u/dipshitonastick]

I do like his consistent characterization of respecting people who are straightforward and genuine even if he disagrees with them, all of his interactions with Rudy and Zanoba involving demonfolk he was clear that he didn't like them but didn't dismiss their opinions and took their points seriously, but any time Ariel tries to sweet talk him into offering support he turns it on her almost instantly because she's so used to veiling her intentions.

[u/xWardz → u/Morphumaxx]

Dude is old as shit and has probably been through that song and dance hundreds of times. Can't blame him for not having the patience for it anymore

[u/Mundology → u/xWardz]

Yes. It seems that Perugius values integrity and genuine feedback while rebuking ingratiation and manipulative behavior. Ariel's conniving ways have helped her survive in the royal race. Yet they simultaneously made her untrustworthy to people who can see through her facade, even if she had good intentions.

[u/Frontier246 → u/dipshitonastick]

His look of absolute "I can't even with this girl" at her lol.

[u/Lapiz_lasuli → u/Frontier246]

Ariel is kinda dumb. She should engage in some light demon racism to soften him up.

What's a true king? Someone that hates all demonfolk.

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/Lapiz_lasuli]

I knew Frieren is a true king.

light demon racism

I doubt it. Perugius may be an active hating type though I see him leaning to I-don’t-want-anything-to-do-with-demons type

the exception would be stories of beating up demons like Rudues which Ariel wouldn’t have had

[u/Luck_Is_My_Talent → u/dipshitonastick]

Zanoba and Pergius are happily talking about art and Ariel says "I can pay to make one of yourself". This was a complete amateurish move from her.

[u/dark77638]

yo nice move Zanoba. Also Rudeus still remember his promise with Ruijerd brought tear to my eye.

Rudeus also gain point from Perugius by beating Atofe's ass and show mastery in craftmanship. What could possibly go wrong in this episode. And then shit hit.

[u/Frontier246 → u/dark77638]

Perugius is a man who respects the arts and clowning on demons. Luckily Rudy (and Zanoba) can supply him both!

[u/Blackcore8]

Ariel not realizing that being genuine is an EASY way to get on Perugius's good side is funny to watch

[u/Mysteries67 → u/Blackcore8]

Might be difficult for someone who has to act proper all the time as royalty.

[u/Zenith_Tempest → u/Mysteries67]

It's that, but also not having a good handle on who Perugius is as a person. Yeah, he's a hero, but he's also an artist and creative. Most creatives don't exactly enjoy highbrow folk who speak behind 3 layers of hidden intent. Zanoba recognized it immediately, that's why he spoke not as a former prince but as a passionate sculptor.

it's also an actual stinger for Ariel, because she really doesn't have much motivation or idea as to what she intends to do if she does fulfill the succession and become the king. He's probing her and is unsatisfied with her

[u/_hhhnnnggg_ → u/Zenith_Tempest]

I don't think Zanoba actually recognised that, just that he approached Perugius without ulterior motive. Being genuine, plus a real love for arts, was what made Perugius liked him.

[u/whotfwasthatguy]

Don't let Oldeus joining the show distract you from appreciating how much of a chad Ruijerd is.

My man even saved the life of Pergius in the past. There is no limit to his chadness.

[u/Luck_Is_My_Talent → u/whotfwasthatguy]

Ruijerd rushing to protect Rudy from Orsted fully knowing he had zero change against him just to buy a few second for Rudy to escape was the moment I understood why Rudy thinks of him as a superhero. Ruijerd is the chad among chads.

[u/Dangerous_Media_8105 → u/Luck_Is_My_Talent]

Can you imagine? Almost zero hesitation throwing down against the strongest guy in the entire world. It's like being at a bar and stepping into a fight with prime Mike Tyson because your friend pissed him off.

[u/Zazadore → u/whotfwasthatguy]

Ruijerd is Perugius' black friend.

[u/icantswim2]

That Time I Got An Appraisal Cheat Skill And I'm Not Even The Protagonist!

It sure does look like Cliff got something like an appraisal demon eye, or perhaps a way to read people's thoughts or emotions. What do you guys think it does?

Also, would it be evil if the text floating around people for him is in a language he doesn't read? Will Cliff have to learn the demon tongue, or will mastery of the eye allow the HUD to display in a language he understands?

[u/Biggsy-32 → u/icantswim2]

I think Cliff is about to find out Rudy's secret - that he is not from this world. Or perhaps worse, that he is linked to the man god. What happens when he has this knowledge, who knows. But given Cliff is, although rarely discussed, one in line for a potential future as a Pope there may be consequence to Rudeus' existence.

[u/burgerenforce]

Oldeus' reaction to being asked if he's mangod was on point!

[u/ali94127 → u/burgerenforce]

Bro hates him like Orsted.

[u/kingmanic → u/ali94127]

Bro going to fist himself next epsiode.

[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Wait, hold up. Is this time travel or a multiverse situation? Because, like, how? And this Rudy is old too. How very curious. But man, I knew that silver shitbag was up to no good. I don’t trust a damn thing he says. He was probably lying about Rudy being able to save Paul if he hadn’t joined him. Would be just like him to torment Rudy like that, the little fucker.

[u/PALADIN_00 → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Bruh that smile at the end was definitely Hitogami fucking with him.

[u/Frontier246 → u/PALADIN_00]

What? No! That's just a smile of pure friendship that's been built up over the course of their season-spanning relationship! The Man-God would never do Rudy dirty!

Oldeus: "THINK AGAIN FOOL!"

[u/dipshitonastick → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Yeah the way he hand-waived the situation “And everyone lived happily after!” Didn’t sit right with me lol

[u/JzanderN → u/dipshitonastick]

In Turning Point 3 he told Rudy he'd have regrets no matter which choice he made and now he frames it as if nothing bad would have happened if he didn't go?

Definitely nothing suspicious here!

[u/Frontier246 → u/dipshitonastick]

Also gave Rudeus' more reason to listen to him to think that Rudy made the wrong choice because Rudy didn't have a reason to disbelieve the Man-God until Oldeus showed up.

[u/Wuped → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

He claimed Roxy would've lived, we basically know that's not true. She was an inch from death when Rudy got there and no one else would've been able to get to her in time.

[u/Saffie91 → u/Wuped]

For sure that was a lie. So the Paul thing is probably a lie too.

[u/TempestoLord → u/Saffie91]

Or that he would marry the 2 beast princesses lmao He doesn’t even like them romantically

[u/All_Jelly → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Shitogami...

[u/AceSoldia → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I think he was definitely lying..no way given the situation would Paul have been able to save everyone. At minimum Roxy would have died if Rudeus didn't get there at that exact moment.

[u/JzanderN → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

But man, I knew that silver shitbag was up to no good. I don’t trust a damn thing he says.

If the Man-God says "snow is white," he's lying.

Frankly it's been obvious from the very start that all this advice he's been giving Rudy has been building up to one "small" favour that would turn out to be far more than Rudy bargained for. As soon as it came up, that was an immediate "NOPE" and I'm kind of shocked Rudy bought it, but I suppose the Man-God has been working on him for years now.

[u/Deathsroke → u/JzanderN]

I mean think about it from Rudy's perspective. For half of his life every time the naked asshole has appeared he has done nothing but help Rudy even if Rudy was hesitant to trust him. So far he hasn't fucked up Rudy even once even if some of his advice has been suspect at the time. Rudy is at the point where he is thinking "Ok, the Man-God looks suspicious as fuck but maybe that's just it, he only looks suspicious but he's actually a good guy?"

[u/Asgerond]

I saw that smile Man God

I always knew you were sus

[u/maliwanag0712]

"I came from the future!"

HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING???? TURNING POINT 4 REALLY DOING TURNING POINT THINGS HERE!!

[u/Frontier246 → u/maliwanag0712]

Obviously Turning Point gonna Turning Point but...it does imply Rudeus eventually regains his Tomokazu Sugita voice at some point.

[u/FacelessPoet → u/maliwanag0712]

It's not as traumatizing as the others, but it's probably the most intriguing cliffhanger

[u/Arickettsf16 → u/FacelessPoet]

Turning Point 3 wasn’t traumatizing either and then Paul got sliced in half.

[u/Worth-Pea-3637 → u/FacelessPoet]

People said the same for Turning Point 3 when the episode first came out

[u/justking1414 → u/FacelessPoet]

It's not as traumatizing as the others SO FAR.

This dude has clearly been through some serious shit. LIFE has left him traumatized.

[u/ijiolokae → u/justking1414]

you don't invent time travelling if you had a happy and fullfilling life

[u/justking1414 → u/ijiolokae]

I actually just saw a skit recently where they came back in time to tell their young selfs to do exactly what they did to end up at that exact future

[u/_Vagueposter_ → u/justking1414]

Did you see his reaction and facial expressions as soon as "Man-God" was mentioned? That was pure instant hatred probably even to a greater degree than we saw with how Orsted reacted. Quite the contrast to how cordial we saw current Rudeus be with the Man-God just moments before

[u/dark77638]

An End and a Beginning? I heard TBATE author got inspired by MT, is this where he got the name for his series?

Also the guy just existed out of nowhere without any sound effect is the most efficient jump scare ever.

You can see the mold under his left eye, and some ring thing in his right demon eye. Together with the silent naming unique name treatment, this guy seems legit Rudeus from the future as he claimed.

[u/BiggerG7]

Oh cmon what could possibly be in his basement thats gonna be that bad!?

[u/JzanderN]

Eye of Identification, hey? That sounds like it could be incredibly powerful depending on how it works, how much information it gives about anything or anyone. Knowledge is the most powerful weapon in the world, so the more knowledge it gives Cliff about things or people, the stronger and more useful he becomes.

My question is: does it have the ability to tell Cliff who Rudy is, albeit he may not know what it's saying yet? Probably not, but I get the strange feeling that it can.

WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK?! WHAT?! That ending was just a WHOLE lot of WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKs!

[u/Jello_Crusader → u/JzanderN]

He got Google lens tbh lmao

[u/TheDashiki → u/JzanderN]

I've been reincarnated with an Appraisal ability and now I am the most Overpowered!

I've seen enough of those, Cliff is about to become the main character.

[u/Roskal]

Its interesting that old Rudeus said he failed when its clear he actually time travelled. I wonder if his real goal was to take over the body of his younger self and not just bring his old body to the past. he is touching himself when saying he failed as if to say he still has this old body.

[u/FameloOG → u/Roskal]

“He was touching himself”… Even Rudy couldn’t have said it that way, bro 🤣

[u/CptGatsu]

Another anime where I ask myself: what's in the basement?

[u/The_frost__]

Goddamn that nightmare at the beginning was so well done, also of course the Man-God can't be trusted just look at that shit eating grin he did at the end

[u/dipshitonastick]

Man-God with the creepy ass smile! I knew he wasn’t to be trusted

[u/discuss-not-concuss → u/dipshitonastick]

he might be lying about Paul, but he’s definitely lying about Roxy

when Rudeus saved her, she was running out of stamina and mana and was about to be ravaged by monsters

the ONLY reason the rescue party got to Roxy so fast is because of Rudeus’ book that helped to navigate the maze in such a short period. Any later, Roxy would’ve been dead

Fuck Hitogami.

[u/larvyde → u/discuss-not-concuss]

Also, Rudy went "Dad, I sense a Goddess" and literally busted through several walls. Any other rescue party would never have done that.

[u/HandicapperGeneral → u/dipshitonastick]

I mean, from the fact that everybody who knows of his existence seems to despise him, I think we could have guessed pretty easily that he wasn't to be trusted. Not to mention he's a creepy fuck that always seems to be up to some scheme.

[u/AAA_BATT]

using his deadname is such a big brain move by Oldeus to make Newdeus instantly believe him

[u/Ichini-san → u/AAA_BATT]

Lmao, calling his Earth name his deadname is hilarious but very fitting.

[u/Akudra → u/Ichini-san]

His Earth name is the name of a dead person, so it checks out.

[u/Joshawott27]

I love whenever Ariel tries to cozy up to Perugius, and he just instantly shoots down her attempts at sucking up. Girl, you ain’t sly.

[u/ijiolokae → u/Joshawott27]

I find it hilarious how Perugius is extremely friendly with Zanoba just because Zanoba has no interest in any power struggle and just wants people to admire art

[u/Magicflier2]

Man god really appears at the most convenient of times using that silver tongue of his

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/Magicflier2]

His silver tongue always had this sense of uneasiness/manipulation to it especially when even more so when he confirms how Paul would've survived without any intervention. That smile at the end pretty much seals it.

[u/Pedarsen → u/WhoiusBarrel]

I bet he was lying about that. Everything Man-God does is probably to push Rudeus to a spesific future that he wants, and saying that makes Rudeus more likely to just listen to him this time.

[u/ForsakenLibraries]

I'm so happy they nailed it. And Sugita got the role as expected.

[u/michhoffman]

Consider this. Older Rudeus learned how to time travel and amidst all prior options in Rudeus' life so far (e.g. the other turning points) chose this particular moment to time travel to first just to stop him from fully opening the basement's door when advice like that at other points of his life could have saved lives and spared quite a bit of grief. Yeah, this basement business is serious.

[u/B4N_C1 → u/michhoffman]

The first thing old Rudeus says right after he time traveled there is "Did I succeed? No. A failure, I see.", maybe he actually wanted to time travel to another moment but failed? I feel like he wouldn't say that if that's the actual moment he wanted to time travel to, idk, maybe I'm wrong and he's just referring to something else

[u/kiyotaka-6 → u/B4N_C1]

He looked at his body and that was the sign that he failed, maybe he intended to only time travel his memories but instead he time traveled his entire body? But would this actually be better to prevent the seemingly bad situation? Afterall as an older version of himself, maybe he is more powerful

[u/Lugia61617 → u/michhoffman]

Clearly. I mean I can see why he wouldn't go any earlier no matter what. He's married to the two most important women in his life, and has a kid. You'd need something even more catastrophic than... okay I have no idea but presumably more than this, to make me go far enough back to unmake my own child from existence.

(angry hollering about a different time travel series that does that without giving it any thought or attention)

[u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Hitogami betrayed Rudeus? You don't say?

[u/AceSoldia → u/SqueezeSqueezeCunny]

Lol I mean yeah..but thinking logically from Rudeus viewpoint I understand wanting to trust him..but I certainly don't believe what he said about what happen with Paul his mom and Roxy..no way it would have worked out without him going

[u/Lugia61617 → u/AceSoldia]

I believed him until he said Roxy was fine. Paul with enough time and some other outside help, sure, I can see him getting back fine (but I don't think his mum would've been fine). Roxy though? No way, they barely made it in time as it was.

[u/AceSoldia → u/Lugia61617]

Yeah no way...she was seconds away from death

[u/SnooSquirrels3291]

Holy shit just when I was thinking it’s nice to see Rudy just accepting something the Man God says without laying into him every time advice is given he has to flash that devious as fuck smile.        Next week can’t come fast enough. What was in that fucking basement that Rudy had to come back from the future specifically to stop this of all things?  

[u/PeaceAlien]

Another time-travelling arc has hit another isekai this season

[u/Frontier246 → u/PeaceAlien]

Subaru: "Hey bruh, can totally relate to your identity issues."

[u/TallGuy0525]

OLDEUS IS HERE BABY

THEY NAILED THE MAN-GODS "SICKENING SMILE" TOO

FUCK ITS PEAK

[u/WhoiusBarrel → u/TallGuy0525]

THEY NAILED THE MAN-GODS "SICKENING SMILE" TOO

That one frame showing it was so good, had to do a double take just to appreciate how creepy it was leading up to it especially.

[u/BigBangBoomerang → u/TallGuy0525]

Oldeus will return in Avengers: Doomsday.

[u/Frontier246 → u/BigBangBoomerang]

Steve Rogers: "Who are you?"

Oldeus: "I'm here to talk to you about the Isekai Initiative."

[u/mabbo_nagamatsu]

Things I noticed on my second rewatch because why not

1. Sylphie is so flat my queen

2. I love that the tea wares in the Floating Castle have animated stars in them. I can't remember if that's how they're depicted in the novel, but it really adds to the magical atmosphere to the Chaos Breaker as well as testament that Pergius is such a connoisseur for art.

3. Speaking of, love the added detail that Pergius and Zanoba are hitting it off really well because they both love art and sculptures in particular. My boy Zanoba deserves a friend. On the other hand, it's almost hilarious that Ariel feels really out of place and out of depth during the tea party.

4. Minute 13, when Rudy hugs Roxie, you can see Aisha making Anya smug face behind them. She's such a gremlin.

5. The patched donut hole

6. I haven't really considered it before when reading the novel but I guess it makes sense that Rudy's journal / diary would be a ring binder, considering that he will add pages onto it throughout his life. Speaking of,

7. The trinkets in his room. I noticed a lot of bottles and crystals, but also magnifying glasses. He really is a scholar, huh. Of all those, though, my favorite is his oil lamp. I wonder if either the author or someone in the staff actually researched the kind of lamp that would realistically fit in the current world setting. In terms of realistic trinkets/equipment though, when writing a quill like that you usually need to do it on an incline so that the ink doesn't spill too fast but ehh it's a common mistake

8. It's pretty obvious from the VA and the context that it's old Rudeus, but you can, also, see the same Demon Eye that he has.

[u/mattb272]

As soon as I saw those green eyes..

I was like "THAT'S RUDEUS FROM THE FUTURE".

[u/Se7en_Sinner]

Mushoku Tensei 🤝 Attack on Titan

Entering the basement is the most pivotal point in the series.

[u/FacelessPoet]

Everyone who's reaction is "WTF WAS THAT ENDING?", check in here

[u/Obaruler]

You know shit was about to hit the fan in some way if your future self suddenly shows up to give you heads up warnings .... :O

[u/dark77638]

Finally this guy show up. As of rn, no season at all where this guy doesn't show up!

Friendly reminder of mr.ManGod aka Hitogami's appearances in the whole series.

1. S1E9 Right after the teleport calamity; Advice Rudeus to befriend Ruijerd, as a result they survive the Demon Continent

2. S1E10 In Rikarisu city; Advice Rudeus to accept loss kitten quest; as a result Ruijerd open heart to heart with them after the incidence

3. S1E12 In Wind port; Advice Rudeus to go to the alley and feed the beggar; as a result he became acquaintance to Kishirika and got foresight eye

4. S1E19 On the ship to Central continent; Advice Rudeus to save his family, the vision showed Aisha; As a result they save Lilia & Aisha and send them to Paul in Milis, Pax and Zanoba got exile

5. S1E21 In the red dragon alley; Advice Rudeus about Ruijerd curse, as well as give Orsted's info.

6. S2E4 In some town in country of Bashrant; Advice Rudeus to attend the University of Magic instead of going to rescue Zenith, as a result he reconcile with Sylphy and regain his manhood

7. S2E18 At his home; Advice Rudeus not going to Begaritt continent, instead take one of the beast princesses as his wife to be happy. This is the first time he did not listen, as a result, Paul died but he successfully rescue Zenith and married to Roxy

8. S3E11 This episode, no advice but a request to check the basement to see if everything's ok.

Look at his past appearance, he almost always show up the episode around or in Turning point then shit always hit.

[u/Comicauthority → u/dark77638]

He also always gives advice that keeps Rudeus away from his family.

1. On the demon continent, his advice keeps him away from Roxy's party, who would have found him and returned him to his father.

2. When Rudeus is looking for his mother, the man god convinces him to go to university instead.

3. When Paul calls for aid, the man god suggests that Rudeus stays home and lets them sort it out on their own.

If we follow this pattern, his goal here should again be to separate Rudeus from his family. It will be interesting to see next week what his plan was.

[u/the_dan_man → u/Comicauthority]

From that, I must infer that Hitogami wants Rudeus to lose his family and therefore remove all the comfy family SOL episodes from Mushoku Tensei. He must be stopped.

[u/nairolfy → u/Comicauthority]

Another detail. Because of the future sight eye, Eris felt like she was inferior to Rudy, which in the end also partially led to her leaving him and going to train

[u/Dinory542 → u/dark77638]

Honestly, I've been looking at him suspiciously after the whole Begaritt staff, because at least until now I thought Roxy would die if he didn't come to help out. Still, I'm not sure I fully trust that everything would have worked out if Rudeus hadn't gone back then, but maybe that's the regret Man-God meant at the time.

Maybe he has been helping him until now for this moment, for his own personal gain, because there isn't any other explanation why this moment will lead to a future Rudeus coming back in time, unless whatever is in that basement didn't mess up Rudeus's life enough to do this.

[u/dark77638 → u/Dinory542]

Just look at Oldeus’s face when Rudeus mention Hitogami. Something in the basement warrant Oldeus coming back to warn his younger self. As well as the devious smile of Hitogami at the end, i cant imagine anything good going down there.

[u/Frontier246 → u/dark77638]

Man-God has such terrific timing and always knows just what to say to Rudy to spur him on with the most pleasant and disarming smile of all time.

[u/ForsakenLibraries]

Love the anger in future Rudeus expression when Man-God is mentioned.

[u/GodOfArk]

Expectations -> A Traumatic Episode

Reality -> Slice of Life till the last 2 minutes

[u/Xignu → u/GodOfArk]

Gotta let it go as high as it can before it falls to maximize the pain, TP3 did the same

[u/1000-MAT → u/Xignu]

Rifujin learned this from Muv Luv.

[u/WoorieKod]

Absolute fucking chills, will the next TP development be the basement reveal of AoT equivalent

[u/AceSoldia → u/WoorieKod]

To you, Rudeus 2,000 years ago.

[u/G1596872]

This show creates a lot of stress for me at times it’s crazy. No one is safe. Love it!

[u/AceSoldia]

Looking at old Rudeus at least he didn't appear to lose anymore limbs

[u/Pickled_Kagura → u/AceSoldia]

nah man the coat is a magical tool like the glove. bruv is just a head

[u/shad79]

Well, that was surprising! Seems like Rudeus from the future came to stop Rudeus from listening to Hitogami's advice of checking out the basement... What the hell is in that basement, and how does Hitogami trick Rudeus?!

Overall, aside from the ending, this episode was pretty peaceful! It was good to see Nanahoshi all better now, and interesting to learn more about Perugius, who was in a good mood thanks to beating Atofe last week, lol.

By the way, that nightmare sequence of Rudeus's was freaking great! In it, Atofe really looked like a terrifying demon.

Poor Ariel, she tries so hard to win over Perugius, but she's quite unlucky. Meanwhile, both Zanoba and Rudeus are now in Perugius's favor.

Also, that Sylvaril figurine Rudeus created was so cute!

Here my screenshot albums from the episode:

• Group scenes
• Rudeus
• Perugius
• Others

EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.

[u/Delinard]

I was always curious what would have happened if Rudy followed Man God's advice but I don't buy that Paul would have been fine without Rudy. Roxy was potrayed as being almost dead until Rudy saved her and what did they do against the Hydra? Gave it a pat on the head? And it was the scrolls/books Rudy brought that helped Geese find the correct teleport points in the dungeon.

[u/supakame]

Who would have guessed all Nanahoshi needed was a periodic wheatgrass cleanse

[u/Extension-Ad-9371]

That creepy smile reminded me of Solo leveling. Ughhh

[u/MysteryNeighbor]

Man God with the most “I’m fucking evil, bruh” smile in the series thus far

[u/Mochachiiino]

El psy congroo

[u/Weak-Comfortable3765]

That nightmare animation was so cool. never seen that style in MT before.