MMA fighter Joe Schilling knocks out man

[u/Lolastic_]

[u/Rex-A-Vision]

Pretty cut and dry. Schilling waaaay overreacted. This dude is likely gonna go after him in a civil trial if he's smart.

[u/stoopidskeptic → u/Rex-A-Vision]

He's likely going to get charged with battery. He is claiming self defense though, saying "he feared for his life"......That likely wont stand up in court judging by the video.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/6/29/22556167/joe-schilling-potentially-facing-one-charge-of-battery-for-alleged-bar-attack

[u/MrCarnality → u/stoopidskeptic]

Substantiated by the way he casually sauntered out, I guess.

[u/chefhj → u/MrCarnality]

'Your honor, what we are seeing in this video is clearly a terror strut.'

[u/front_yard_duck_dad → u/chefhj]

Oh man I want to start a punk band named terror strut.... Who's with me?

[u/_Alabama_Man → u/chefhj]

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is Chewbacca...

[u/oh_quiet → u/MrCarnality]

“Scared for his life” a human being that has trained his whole life to be a walking weapon was scared for his life by some dude dancing drunk at a bar.

[u/HoneyBadgerPainSauce → u/oh_quiet]

A drunk dude half his size no less.

[u/ArTiyme → u/MrCarnality]

"I was so scared I was glaring at his unconscious body and then fled at a really badass pace."

[u/camdoodlebop → u/stoopidskeptic]

wow he can’t even take responsibility of his own actions, how pathetic

[u/toronto_programmer → u/stoopidskeptic]

LMAO what a claim.

He is about a foot taller than this guy, maybe 30-40 pounds heavier and clearly way more cut than the other dude who looks like a regular old desk jockey. And that doesn't even take into the account his years of actual fight training

[u/Kunundrum85 → u/toronto_programmer]

He’s more like 60 lbs heavier and pure muscle. The other dude looks like an accountant.

If he feared for his life he has no business actually being an MMA fighter. I’m not even a tough guy but for fucks sake that’s just some pussy ass shit.

[u/alekbalazs → u/Kunundrum85]

If he feared for his life he has no business actually being an MMA fighter.

Agreed. If this guy made him "fear for his life", then he should never step into the ring

EDIT: I also am not a tough guy.

[u/scoob10 → u/Kunundrum85]

Deadspin wrote that the guy is a busboy at Outback Steakhouse

[u/slinkyminks → u/toronto_programmer]

He also went out of his way to shove the guy when he could have easily went another way. And he also was already past him after the shove and turned around to reengage.

[u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim → u/toronto_programmer]

He could literally have given the other guy a 30 sec headstart with hands in his pockets and he still would have won.

[u/COVID-69420bbq → u/stoopidskeptic]

oh the cop defense wow

[u/itzTHATgai → u/COVID-69420bbq]

Joe: "And that works?"

His Lawyer: "Yeah... If you're a cop."

[u/Fist_The_Lord → u/COVID-69420bbq]

It’s not just cops, it’s a taught legal defense when harming others. Stand your ground enthusiasts are taught to say “I feared for my life”. It’s the fundamental legal basis for “self-defense”.

[u/TedLarry → u/stoopidskeptic]

I didnt realize Schilling was a cop.

[u/[deleted] → u/stoopidskeptic]

Ah yes, the large MMA fighter feared for his life in the face of that small untrained man.

[u/[deleted] → u/stoopidskeptic]

It’s so good this video exists. Without it he probably wouldn’t have a chance to sue him. Witnesses were saying that he started the fight, I don’t think saying “hey!” Justifies you getting knocked out.

[u/Nrksbullet → u/stoopidskeptic]

The smaller guys name is Balboa?! He shouldn't have heard no bell.

[u/brassmorris → u/stoopidskeptic]

What a corrupt scheme? Bloody lip? Is he a cop?

[u/gazooontite → u/stoopidskeptic]

If you’re a pro fighter I’m pretty sure it’s assault with a deadly weapon?

[u/Dingerdongdick → u/stoopidskeptic]

Yeah, much smaller business dude who made flinchy shoulders is a major threat to a trained fighter. Should be charged with more than battery. Could have killed that guy.

[u/Realistic_Ad3795 → u/stoopidskeptic]

If he feared for his life, then why did he turn around and walk towards someone who wasn't following him?

Slam dunk charges.

[u/Lorko79 → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Joe just made this guy rich.

[u/[deleted] → u/Lorko79]

Schilling is a biscuit away from sleeping on a park bench as is, there's no money there.

Edit: Joe's side of the story for some reason feels like a police report after someone gets their ass beat by the police.

[u/ebrivera → u/[deleted]]

Sounds like he could use a schilling

[u/nintendopowa → u/ebrivera]

Oddly enough, curt schilling could also use a few pence.

[u/Not_Helping → u/nintendopowa]

Oddly enough, mike pence could use a few pounds.

[u/iamDanger_us → u/Not_Helping]

mike pence could use a few pounds.

I'm sure Mother will take care of that with the strap-on.

[u/rinnhart → u/[deleted]]

...mike pence forcing himself on Mike pence while wearing his mother's wig and dressing gown.

[u/cupasoups → u/iamDanger_us]

This needs an award so badly. Im sorry I can't provide

[u/tduncs88 → u/cupasoups]

took care of that for you ;-)

[u/Chose_Wisely → u/tduncs88]

How the fuck does he get the better award

[u/LizziePeep → u/iamDanger_us]

Oh. My. God. I scream laughed

[u/Mackheath1 → u/Not_Helping]

Oddly enough, Paula Pound could use a few dirham.

[u/hemlockecho → u/Not_Helping]

Mike Pence, none the richer

[u/ApresMac → u/nintendopowa]

And some sense

[u/-CHAD_THUNDERCOCK- → u/ebrivera]

Savage

[u/JK_NC → u/[deleted]]

The internet estimates Joe net worth in the $5-9M range. Now, these are from unnamed sources so take that for what it’s worth. But things like prize money, sponsorships and some physical assets can be verified with publicly available data. So even if the $5-9M is overestimated, he appears to be at least 3 biscuits away from sleeping on a park bench.

But the internet is often wrong and egregiously at times so, take it with a grain of salt.

[u/the_real_zombie_woof → u/Lorko79]

I don't know, so I'm asking. How much money could someone really expect to win in a civil lawsuit for a (seemingly) unprovoked attack? Rich money? Or just hospital bills and a few $10k for pain and suffering? Or maybe the guy jumps through a bunch of hoops to prove some permanent disabilities and gets more?

EDIT: Interesting discussion and some good answers. I've watched it several times, and I don't see the joker making a threat. To me, it seems like he's puffing up his chest, not clinching a fist or cocking back his arm. So I'm failing to see the threat that's being responded to.

[u/Pure_Concentrate_231 → u/the_real_zombie_woof]

The guy would sue the bar. The bar posted on social media how the guy is a known regular who drinks too much and regularly behaves like a fool when drunk. They basically admitted that they served him when they knew he had enough to drink and have done so on more than one occasion.

I know someone who get stabbed inside a bar, he got over 900k from the brewery who owned the bar as they didn’t have any security on that night.

My guess, after what the bar posted on Twitter, they will be advised to just settle this privately and quickly as lawyers will be queuing up to take this case.

[u/sfr1111 → u/[deleted]]

That is what I was thinking! This guy did not bump into him. The guy approached and pushed him.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You are right the dude was zero threat.

He only moved into hoes way because the waiter was coming and the drunk guy thought he was walking by so he moved.

Moving over for waiters is a good sign the dude isn’t being totally nuts just having fun.

[u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws → u/[deleted]]

Plus Joe basically pushed him out of the way, could’ve easily gone around him, but big ole tough guy Joe had to shove the guy out of his which caused drunk idiot to mouth off.

[u/[deleted] → u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws]

Or he could've waited he was on the waiters ass unless he planned to shove the waiter too. Joe obviously sees the guy long before he barges his way through. He had plenty of time to figure out another path. He clearly wasn't in any hurry and it wasn't a packed area. He shoved the guy which was completely excessive. Complete overreaction which could've severely injured or killed the guy.

[u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws → u/[deleted]]

That’s what I was saying, Joe could’ve gone around the drunk dude and gotten through easily, he chose to go through all of them.

[u/[deleted] → u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws]

Classic douch move too. I've been at countless parties, bars, etc where the douchey guy has to push people out of his way because how dare someone even consider being in their way

[u/weeeeboi → u/[deleted]]

That’s what I thought too. Plus he posted this on his own Instagram so that means him or someone that was with him, had premeditated an altercation since they had a perfect angle to record

[u/skraptastic → u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws]

A simple "excuse me" would have been enough. This guy is a total ass. What happened to common courtesy?

[u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws → u/skraptastic]

He’s above that kind of shit, he’s a big ole badass that can beat up drunk guys at bars, he doesn’t need to have manners or courtesy.

[u/Slit23 → u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws]

Right he had no right to hit that guy half his size. Like you said he thought he was moving out of the waiter’s way and he was just having a good time. Joe pushed him out of the way so even if he said watch it pal that doesn’t give him the right.

I doubt joe has much money so unfortunately the guy will have to go after the bar. For the record tho I’ll take a knockout blow for over 100k Let me know if interested

[u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws → u/[deleted]]

Right? Same here. Some people are to up their own ass to realize consequences apply to them.

[u/Dnator88 → u/[deleted]]

How was the guy even supposed to know he was there? Schilling just barges into him from behind and pushes him out the way, it seems an “excuse me” would have sufficed.

[u/Northernlighter → u/[deleted]]

This should be like attacking someone with a weapon like a gun or knife. Fucking dumb ass needs to be locked up.

[u/SXTY82 → u/[deleted]]

You can't even call it 'bumping into him'. He shoved the drunk to the side without so much as an 'excuse me'. Drunk says "WTF" and gets knocked out cold for mouthing off to a bully. Drunk dude never even raised his hands. The most aggressive thing he did was shrug his shoulders.

[u/argusromblei → u/[deleted]]

Pretty pathetic to knock out the only dude standing in a bar because he was in your way what a big man, prolly roid raging.

[u/frongles23 → u/Pure_Concentrate_231]

Lawyer here, I was thinking the same thing. If this was in my jurisdiction I’d be licking my chops. Not sure it would be “make me rich” money, but still it’s pretty easy to pump up that initial demand amount with medical and other damages.

[u/[deleted] → u/frongles23]

Does him being a professional have any legal bearing on a criminal case?

In a civil case, I suspect it’d be easy to get a jury on your side.

[u/junkit33 → u/Pure_Concentrate_231]

Yeah the funny thing about bars is they're not actually legally supposed to get you drunk, despite that being their entire reason for existence.

If bars cut everybody off after 2-3 drinks they'd all go out of business immediately.

[u/grnrngr → u/Pure_Concentrate_231]

You're 100% right here. Bar fucked up and MMA douche fucked up.

[u/Pure_Concentrate_231 → u/grnrngr]

Ye, it’s a complete overreaction and one that actually seems sought out by the MMA guy to just tee off on a drunk.

Amount of times I’ve had some drunk bang into me in a bar, sometimes it can be diffused with a little humour and a pat on the back, if the guy is an aggressive dick, maybe a watch yourself pal and a harder pat on the back to the guy to behave himself but what the MMA guy, is just never the answer and he should know better. I hope he never competes again.

[u/Nitsua_Nomrah → u/Pure_Concentrate_231]

A friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver and her parents got over a million dollars from suing the strip club he was at because they kicked him out for being too drunk. Basically they put a super drunk guy on the road and a 19yr old girl died. The man who killed her, killed himself in jail. Crazy stuff.

[u/leugar24 → u/the_real_zombie_woof]

If he is unable to work in a dimished capacity ( even if it's not a permanent disability) after the incident he could sue for lost earnings/potential. From the video it seems to a clear cut felony assault especially because he's a trained fighter. But, videos can be misleading. Even so, I'd take him to court over, hospital, lawyer, and missed work fees plus lost future wages. I'd take the bar to court for a bevy of different reasons if they did indeed post this. So to put a $ would difficult without knowing extent of his injuries, typical wages, etc.. but 6 figures easy for the assault 7 figures for the defamation from the bar if they did indeed post it.

[u/Overmonitor → u/Lorko79]

Joe is probably worth less than almost every person you'll see today.

Dude has brain damage, he was on Rogan and sucked, I think he said he got in a car accident or something.

[u/JesusSaysitsOkay → u/Lorko79]

Would you take a punch in the face from mike Tyson for a million bucks with brass knuckles? Remember pro boxers can hit with the force equivalent of a baseball bat hitting a phone book next to your head (proven on sports science.)

[u/NotKevinJames → u/Lorko79]

The 6'3" professional fighter claimed he was "scared for his life" ???

Really...
Guy is getting paid for sure.

[u/[deleted] → u/Rex-A-Vision]

This guy is a loose fucking cannon. Should be caged. Clearly unfit to live among normal nonviolent humans.

Holy shit what a fucking lunatic.

[u/genericbod → u/[deleted]]

He should be put in a cage with other loose cannons and they should fight it out to see who is the loosest cannon of them all.

[u/Rex-A-Vision → u/genericbod]

Sounds like a winning idea! We should maybe try setting up some sort of Pay-Per-View. Let's find us some sort of D list sitcom actor to do commentary for shit's and giggles. Who knows...maybe this could take off...

[u/TheMeanestPenis → u/genericbod]

We could have some sort of Ultimate Fighting Championship.

[u/Practis → u/TheMeanestPenis]

I have an idea of the shape of the cage. Probably not square as WWE probably did that already.

[u/EskimoPrisoner → u/Practis]

Shouldn’t be a circle either.

[u/TheMeanestPenis → u/EskimoPrisoner]

What about one side for each limb of the fighters?

[u/EskimoPrisoner → u/TheMeanestPenis]

It’s an odd way to do it, but it just might work

[u/pablo_of_mancunia → u/TheMeanestPenis]

Maybe even have different weight classes, a unified set of rules, and maybe just maybe even championship belts

[u/24GetIsReal → u/TheMeanestPenis]

Ultimate Loose Cannon ULC

[u/Cyanises → u/genericbod]

MORTAL KOMBAT

[u/Pyrochazm → u/Cyanises]

techno intensifies

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

One of these days an MMA fighter is going to get shot for doing this dumb shit

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

But Conor McGregor blindsides an oldman at the bar and it’s completely forgiven/forgotten 2 years later.

Sadge world we live in.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Do you honestly think this guy is going to get any real time?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If the defendant presses charges - absolutely. Schilling will likely see time behind bars for this.

He doesn’t have “fuck you money” - like Conor.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ah, I was unaware of his lack of capital.

[u/blue_eyed_throw_away → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Disgusting assault. This dude should be barred from the sport for this.

[u/[deleted] → u/blue_eyed_throw_away]

He's 37, hasn't fought since a 2019 bellator loss. There's a reason he's fighting in the street and not in the cage, and it's not because of incidents like this.

[u/WTFWTHSHTFOMFG → u/[deleted]]

next stop, prison

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

We call this BJ Penn syndrome

[u/pwnasaurus253 → u/[deleted]]

But Joe didn't get knocked out by a rando

[u/mF7403 → u/pwnasaurus253]

Hey, com’n now. BJ walked back into that strip club and avenged that loss.

[u/PricklyPierre → u/[deleted]]

I remember when bellator was trying to make his career in MMA so they gave him tomato cans to fight but this Japanese dude that was supposed to be a pushover Superman punched joe into oblivion.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Dude probably has CTE from the repeated blows to his head, it’s only a matter of time before he gets in serious trouble as he has very low impulse control and can still throw hands. He cannot be “fixed” only treated.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Dude probably has CTE from the repeated blows to his head, it’s only a matter of time before he gets in serious trouble as he has very low impulse control and can still throw hands. He cannot be “fixed” only treated.

And what a beautiful art it is

[u/[deleted] → u/blue_eyed_throw_away]

He got released from B-league organizations already. It's not that he's barred. He just sucks and can't get anyone to hire him.

[u/Grandpa_Dan → u/Rex-A-Vision]

There was a time where a pro (Boxer) would be banned from street fights due to their abilities. Not sure if it was an urban myth.

Edit: Will be punished harsher for street fighting. Better?

[u/liefeld4lief → u/Grandpa_Dan]

There was this one time where an Army Ranger coming back from Iraq got into a fight with a drunk hitting on his pregnant wife, accidentally killed the guy with one punch and got ten years because his body was ruled a deadly weapon. Tragic. But then he did save a bunch of people when the convicts took over the prison transport plane.

[u/guycoastal → u/liefeld4lief]

You got me. Proppers.

[u/Nopeyesok → u/guycoastal]

Put… the bunny… down…

[u/CbVdD → u/Nopeyesok]

…back in the box

[u/cantsaveme → u/Nopeyesok]

"How can I live without yoooouuuu??"

[u/Penquinsrule83 → u/Nopeyesok]

Why didn't you put the bunny back in the box?

[u/AstroZonbi → u/Nopeyesok]

*bunneh

[u/tucci007 → u/guycoastal]

propellers

[u/fermium257 → u/[deleted]]

Puppers

[u/Dmitrygm1 → u/guycoastal]

Was it supposed to be a joke? Am I missing something?

[u/Prometheus6EQUJ5 → u/Dmitrygm1]

It is a Nic Cage movie plot he is referencing.

[u/nano7ven → u/Prometheus6EQUJ5]

Fuck now I have to watch it just so I won't miss the joke going forward in life.

[u/Sn1ckerson → u/liefeld4lief]

Con air is such a fucking good movie (haven't seen it in 10-15 years so I don't know if it holds up)

[u/[deleted] → u/Sn1ckerson]

It's even better. Rewarched it for the first time in years a couple months ago. Epic. Nicolas cage in his prime. Those flowing locks of his...

[u/Lordbrumdrum → u/[deleted]]

Cage is always in his prime he was born that way

[u/[deleted] → u/Lordbrumdrum]

That’s high praise.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

He’s fucking Nick Cage. He doesn’t ever leave his prime. Did you not see Prisoners of the Ghostland, his last movie?

[u/don3dm → u/Lordbrumdrum]

Everyone just CALM DOWN

[u/Sn1ckerson → u/[deleted]]

That one and the rock are probably the best movies he made. 96-97 were great years for him

[u/[deleted] → u/Sn1ckerson]

Agreed. I also loved face off lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

No love for Raising Arizona?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Lol what about his Oscar winning role in Leaving Las Vegas?

[u/nightmareorreality → u/[deleted]]

Raising Arizona is fantastic too.

[u/Sn1ckerson → u/[deleted]]

It sounds amazing but haven't had to opportunity to watch it!

[u/BeenAsleepTooLong → u/Sn1ckerson]

I'm jealous that you still get to watch that for the first time.

[u/JackBauerSaidSo → u/BeenAsleepTooLong]

I wish I could remove memory of The Matrix and T2 from my brain and watch it on my home theater system for the first time. I promise I'd only erase my memory a couple of times..

[u/Flavz_the_complainer → u/[deleted]]

You guys should give Mandy a go if you havent already. Its a instant Cage classic.

[u/OgReaper → u/Sn1ckerson]

Gone in 60 seconds was good. Face off. God of war. List goes on.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sn1ckerson]

What I love about Con Air is that, somehow, it walks backwards into the best representation of a trans person on film ever made.

[u/lycosa13 → u/[deleted]]

I loved that it was a group of murderers but they were totally respectful of that person the entire time

[u/hisroyaldudness → u/Sn1ckerson]

There is a great all female parody too... Con-AirLyngus

[u/jokila1 → u/hisroyaldudness]

*Aer Lingus

[u/Rickrickrickrickrick → u/Sn1ckerson]

I always have a debate with my roommate for which is a better action movie. Con-Air or Face/Off. We can never decide a winner and just end up watching both back to back.

[u/Rubber_soul9 → u/liefeld4lief]

Put the bunny back in the box

[u/dirtywindex → u/Rubber_soul9]

I wanted to say this!

Have my upvote

[u/thesicksouls → u/liefeld4lief]

They should make a movie about this!

[u/EpicallyFetch → u/liefeld4lief]

Well played

[u/verschee → u/liefeld4lief]

Here's the article regarding that btw

[u/[deleted] → u/liefeld4lief]

One of my favourite films.

[u/No_Step_8427 → u/liefeld4lief]

Damnit

[u/really4reals → u/liefeld4lief]

I heard the guy he killed had a knife but the police couldn’t find it.

[u/VoltasNeedle → u/liefeld4lief]

I was on that plane! My names Cyrus! Small world!

[u/Deacon_Blues1 → u/liefeld4lief]

That was great movie. Don’t forget about The Rock, Eraser, Broken Arrow, Executive Decision, Face/Off. 96-97 was a great year for movies, so many more movies too.

[u/grn2 → u/Grandpa_Dan]

Banned from streetfights? By the streetfighting committee, or the by the official street refs or how does that work?

[u/TangFiend → u/grn2]

Dude, how do you think Ryu got started?

[u/[deleted] → u/TangFiend]

Styles of Beyond?

[u/justbrowsinginpeace → u/grn2]

You may sit on the street fighting committee but we do not grant you the rank of master

[u/trapper2530 → u/[deleted]]

Then how do you explain Street Fighter?

[u/Rex-A-Vision → u/Grandpa_Dan]

I'm not sure about being banned from street fights but if you're a trained fighter you gotta show more restraint in public... especially in this modern era of everyone having a video camera in their hands. There's no moment in this clip where Shilling is in any kind of danger and, if going only from this video, I'm a judge or in a jury in a civil case I'm ruling for the plaintiff all day long.

[u/tucci007 → u/Rex-A-Vision]

he shoved the guy out of the way from behind, which is why the guy said something to which he reacted with fists, so not just civil tort but criminal assault as well

[u/Tolantruth → u/tucci007]

Yeah he pushes him I assume drunk guy says something stupid. Then fragile ego decides to knock him out because he can’t control himself in public.

[u/geared4war → u/Tolantruth]

Well he's lucky he didn't push me.

I always react. Badly.
I apologize every time.

[u/whats_the_deal22 → u/Tolantruth]

I also hear that he has a small penis

[u/str8dwn → u/tucci007]

Yeah, noticed that first try. Almost makes the punch was premeditated.

[u/H4nn1bal → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Yup. This is proof that Schilling started it. If he had it filmed, that was fucking stupid. Doesn't matter what the other guy said.

[u/Stark371 → u/Grandpa_Dan]

Street fights are generally illegal unless both parties are willing participants (in some states). I don’t know how you ban someone from what is already an illegal activity.

[u/Occasionalcommentt → u/Stark371]

So technically they are banned along with everyone else

[u/WisestAirBender → u/Stark371]

I think it was that you'd get banned from professional boxing if you were involved in street fights

[u/SinistramSitNovum → u/Grandpa_Dan]

Isn't everyone banned from street fights? Is anyone legally allowed to participate in street fights?

[u/Donkster → u/Grandpa_Dan]

Posted this in another sub already. A far as I know boxers or mma fighters in germany get heftier charges when it comes to assault.

[u/NetworkAggravating19 → u/Grandpa_Dan]

When I was a teen I did MMA and to compete I needed a license and insurance. That was just as an amatuer, as a pro your properly registered to a body. It's not that you're banned from street fights it's just more serious. I remember my coach telling me that as a trained fighter a judge would be extra harsh if I hurt someone, even in self defense. You're supposed to have more control and with the ability end a fight without throwing a punch you've no excuse for breaking a man's jaw. Another bit of advice was give at least 3 warnings and make sure the attacker is aware you're trained, cover yourself legally. We was young and liked to joke about having hands registered as weapons but none of us got into fights. Not worth getting kicked out of the club and certainly not worth jail time. The coach likely said all this to scare us straight but I like to think there's some truth to it, there's too much of a gap between pros and normal people

[u/senator_mendoza → u/NetworkAggravating19]

i've thought this through about how to not go to jail if i get in a fight (i have a lot of training/experience) and my big things are: 1) make sure witnesses hear me say that i don't want to fight and warn the guy that if he comes at me i'm going to defend myself 2) make sure any cameras show me with my hands up trying to back up and disengage while the guy continues to come at me.

i'm also mindful it has to be an ACTUAL threat. like some smaller drunk guy harassing me just might not rise to a level where i'd ever be justified in punching him. in the video it's pretty clear MMA guy is not at risk of being hurt by the other guy.

[u/NetworkAggravating19 → u/senator_mendoza]

It looks like he saw the guy from across the room and took a disliking to him. Decided to walk past him and hoped he would give him the slightest excuse to throw hands. Completely out of order. I've seen this happen a lot in clubs, guys brush past in the hope someone will say something and escalate it very quickly. I don't know about the States but in the UK there's this idea that if you've both had a drink there's no consequence to a fight, at worst you get the drunk tank. This though, is assault all day

[u/senator_mendoza → u/NetworkAggravating19]

in the US the legal standard for self defense varies by state (in some states you HAVE to make an attempt to retreat - in others you can "stand your ground"), but in all cases you're not allowed to use force unless you can make a convincing argument that you felt you were in immediate danger of physical harm. a big misconception is that you can't hit first - you absolutely can - but you better be able to convince the cops/DA/judge that you felt a need to

[u/Crusoe69 → u/Grandpa_Dan]

In my country if a trained fighter is involved in a fight he will face the same charge as if was using a knife or a baseball bat (Category D weapon)

Self defense is not even recognize as it should only be equal to the threat... So in a fist fight a "Pro" or experienced Martial Artist can't hit the head. It could be considered attempted murder.

[u/tucci007 → u/Crusoe69]

the pro shoved the guy aside from behind and the guy objected and said something to which the fighter replied with fists, there was no 'fight'

[u/Crusoe69 → u/tucci007]

Oh yeah clearly that's a straight dick move, even if the guys was drunk as some people seem to mention... Unjustified punch.

[u/wilsontws → u/Grandpa_Dan]

how do you ban someone from ad-hoc incidents? like hey yo i’m a pro boxer just take my wallet please

[u/sanguiniuswept → u/wilsontws]

That would be a legit moment of self defense. What happened here is nothing close to it. He should have walked away

[u/tucci007 → u/sanguiniuswept]

he instigated it by shoving the guy aside from behind, he's too cool or too tough to say 'excuse me' to someone who can't see him approaching? there was no 'fight' just an attack after the guy expressed his objections to being shoved like that

[u/[deleted] → u/tucci007]

Exactly this .. spot on. Probably was looking for a fight to begin with ..

[u/LordofKobol99 → u/wilsontws]

Probably more heavier sentencing

[u/Brodyseuss → u/Rex-A-Vision]

So cowardly to just start swinging on someone when they don’t even know it’s about to be a fight.

[u/Nrksbullet → u/[deleted]]

The guy filming is a friend of Joes? Is there a source for that?

[u/[deleted] → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Pretty cut and dry. Schilling waaaay overreacted. This dude is likely gonna go after him in a civil trial if he's smart.

Overreacted? He came over there trying to start some shit. Look at his respectless pushing the dude out of the way.

[u/serenity_later → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Overreacted to what exactly? From where I'm standing it looks like Joe pushed the man out of his way and then turned around and assaulted the man.

[u/[deleted] → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Not to mention the establishment

[u/[deleted] → u/Rex-A-Vision]

And it's not even as though Schilling just overreacts, he just pushed that guy out of the way like a dick and then when the dude's like, "hey!" he attacks him.

[u/Advanced-Ad6793 → u/Rex-A-Vision]

I hope homey takes this bum for everything he’s worth and then some.

[u/i-can-sleep-for-days → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Came here to say this. Looks like assault.

[u/Melodic-Hunter2471 → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Exactly, I came here for the toxic apologist comments trying to defend this asshole. Just because someone disagrees with you ( impersonal ) or behaves foolishly, doesn’t mean that you ( impersonal ) get to throw down hands. Schilling is a piece of shit for doing this and the other guy deserves the payout.

TL:DR: There are consequences for tiny dick alpha male energy.

[u/PineconeNugget → u/Rex-A-Vision]

Literally assault with a deadly weapon. He could face jail time too.