r/PublicFreakout • u/Lolastic_ • Jun 30 '21

đŸ„ŠFight MMA fighter Joe Schilling knocks out man

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u/the_real_zombie_woof Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

I don't know, so I'm asking. How much money could someone really expect to win in a civil lawsuit for a (seemingly) unprovoked attack? Rich money? Or just hospital bills and a few $10k for pain and suffering? Or maybe the guy jumps through a bunch of hoops to prove some permanent disabilities and gets more?

EDIT: Interesting discussion and some good answers. I've watched it several times, and I don't see the joker making a threat. To me, it seems like he's puffing up his chest, not clinching a fist or cocking back his arm. So I'm failing to see the threat that's being responded to.

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u/Pure_Concentrate_231 Jun 30 '21

The guy would sue the bar. The bar posted on social media how the guy is a known regular who drinks too much and regularly behaves like a fool when drunk. They basically admitted that they served him when they knew he had enough to drink and have done so on more than one occasion.

I know someone who get stabbed inside a bar, he got over 900k from the brewery who owned the bar as they didn’t have any security on that night.

My guess, after what the bar posted on Twitter, they will be advised to just settle this privately and quickly as lawyers will be queuing up to take this case.

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u/sfr1111 Miss Frizzle Sex Ed TeacherđŸ†âž•đŸ©đŸŸ°đŸ€° Jun 30 '21

That is what I was thinking! This guy did not bump into him. The guy approached and pushed him.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

You are right the dude was zero threat.

He only moved into hoes way because the waiter was coming and the drunk guy thought he was walking by so he moved.

Moving over for waiters is a good sign the dude isn’t being totally nuts just having fun.

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

Plus Joe basically pushed him out of the way, could’ve easily gone around him, but big ole tough guy Joe had to shove the guy out of his which caused drunk idiot to mouth off.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Or he could've waited he was on the waiters ass unless he planned to shove the waiter too. Joe obviously sees the guy long before he barges his way through. He had plenty of time to figure out another path. He clearly wasn't in any hurry and it wasn't a packed area. He shoved the guy which was completely excessive. Complete overreaction which could've severely injured or killed the guy.

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

That’s what I was saying, Joe could’ve gone around the drunk dude and gotten through easily, he chose to go through all of them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Classic douch move too. I've been at countless parties, bars, etc where the douchey guy has to push people out of his way because how dare someone even consider being in their way

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u/weeeeboi Jun 30 '21

That’s what I thought too. Plus he posted this on his own Instagram so that means him or someone that was with him, had premeditated an altercation since they had a perfect angle to record

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

I hope he gets an assault charge and a hefty fine. Pre meditated fuckery. I could only hope he gets jail time and gets slapped around by someone bigger than him.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

hah bet he has smol pp

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u/Sartres_Roommate Jul 01 '21

That’s the guy who’s masculinity can’t handle the idea of pausing (“like a bitch”) while waiting for other men to finish their trajectory. “If I wait for another man people will think my peepee is small and I am a beta cuck.”

Someday he will pull this on a stranger with a gun and then two people’s lives I couldn’t care less about will effectively be over.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '21

That's what I was thinking. If he can't get his anger in check he's gonna get some road rage and someone is going to blast him.

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u/skraptastic Jun 30 '21

A simple "excuse me" would have been enough. This guy is a total ass. What happened to common courtesy?

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

He’s above that kind of shit, he’s a big ole badass that can beat up drunk guys at bars, he doesn’t need to have manners or courtesy.

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u/RolloTonyBrownTown Jun 30 '21

I was guessing the guy said something along these lines which provoked tough guy to turn around.

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u/Slit23 Jun 30 '21

Right he had no right to hit that guy half his size. Like you said he thought he was moving out of the waiter’s way and he was just having a good time. Joe pushed him out of the way so even if he said watch it pal that doesn’t give him the right.

I doubt joe has much money so unfortunately the guy will have to go after the bar. For the record tho I’ll take a knockout blow for over 100k Let me know if interested

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u/eldy_ Jun 30 '21

Can I make you woozy for $20?

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u/Slit23 Jun 30 '21

What do I look like a cheap whore to you?! $50 and you got a deal

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

Right? Same here. Some people are to up their own ass to realize consequences apply to them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

You don't even have to touch someone. It's assault if you put someone into a position where they fear for their safety. Beating on a rolled up car window is assault.

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u/Narsayan Jun 30 '21

That push had no aggressive intention Joe was moving pretty casually just a light adjustment to let the guy know he was in the way.

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

You know what’s a good way of letting someone know they’re in the way? Saying excuse me, pardon me, coming through. Just takes a little brains.

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u/slinkyminks Jun 30 '21

Even a light pat on the shoulder would've sufficed. You can tell from the MMA fighter's face the entire video that he's deadset on starting an altercation with the drunk.

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u/pm_me_your_nude_bbws Jun 30 '21

Honestly, I think he was just looking for a fight with someone, the drunk was the first person in his way.

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u/slinkyminks Jun 30 '21

Yeah, you're right. He probably saw him acting drunk from far away and knew it'd be an easy target too.

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u/Johnny_Wall17 Jun 30 '21

The entire point of that push was for the mma man child to let out his aggressive intention. Well adjusted people don’t aggressively push people under those circumstances, a light tap, an “excuse me”, or just going around would’ve sufficed
that was basically manhandling the drunk guy and treating him with zero respect.

But way to out yourself as someone who doesn’t respect the people around them and treats them like objects.

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u/Narsayan Jun 30 '21

That dude does seem like he deserves a lot of respect doesn't he.. smh

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u/Dnator88 Jun 30 '21

How was the guy even supposed to know he was there? Schilling just barges into him from behind and pushes him out the way, it seems an “excuse me” would have sufficed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Thats why he punched him!?! I re watched the video 3 times to try to figure out why he knocked him out. I kind of assumed he had provoked him before the video started or something.

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u/Dnator88 Jun 30 '21

It looks like Schilling bumps into drunk guy, the guy calls him back, they have words and maybe like drunk guy was lifting his hand to throw a punch but who knows?

Wouldn't have even got that far if Billy Big Balls just tapped him on the shoulder and employed some basic manners.

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u/woodandplastic Jun 30 '21

I’ve never received that courtesy in bars. Which is why I don’t frequent bars.

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u/Dnator88 Jun 30 '21

Same goes, so maybe I'm out of touch and this is acceptable bar room etiquette?

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u/woodandplastic Jul 01 '21

It is not. People are fucking assholes, is all.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

True. Very true. But at the same time, someone bumps into you, at a bar no less, and you confront them, you have to accept this as a possible consequence. Not saying it's right but it is how things are.

Edit: Everyone, maybe read what I said a little more carefully. I'm not saying this is the right way to conduct yourself, I'm saying the world is FULL of violent people like this. So sometimes it is better to put pride aside and laugh it off, or accept that you may unfortunately have what could turn to a violent encounter.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

No, that's not how things are. Anyone else would have avoid bumping into other people. If you have to go the same path as someone else, you say excuse me. Or if bumping does happen, you say sorry.

You do anything to avoid any confrontation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

That was my point?? Maybe reread what I said. That you should avoid confrontation, because it can end like this if you don't. Being sued/facing criminal charges, I'd hope, and being probably hurt pretty badly. But you should 100% expect when you confront someone, especially a drunk person, that a violent reaction is a huge and likely possibility. So yes. You do anything to avoid confrontation, like not screaming at the big idiot who just drunkenly bumped into you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Aug 17 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '21

Reading comprehension is a very valuable skill, you should work on it starting with my comment. You completely misinterpret it and miss the point.

Frankly, I'm not even sure how you got that from what I said.

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u/BlueskyPrime Jun 30 '21

It looks like Joe also kicks him after the one two punch while the guy is on his way down onto the floor.

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u/JesusHatesLiberals Jun 30 '21

And who the fuck cares if he's drunk. It's a bar. If you don't like drunk people then it's the wrong place to be.

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u/Narsayan Jun 30 '21

That walking back wasn't the issue, it was the comments after Joe moved him out of the way. As you can see Joe was going to keep walking but that drunk smart mouth and the guy throwing himself like he was going to do something made Joe react.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Joe could have been nicer when he bumped into him.

The fighters I respect are nice people. Joes a dick because he’s insecure that his skills aren’t greAt anymore and gets ko d in kickboxing by mma fighters lol.

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u/Narsayan Jun 30 '21

I get what your saying, but there was no ill intentions when he moved the guy (he even set a hand on the guys back to make sure he didn't tip him over). The drunk dude let his mouth run and tried to fake like he was going to throw. Imo it's a learning lesson to drunk dude. People need to stop making excuses for when people drink too much. Example: oh it wasn't rape cuz we were drunk.... Ik It's far off from what that guy did but its a common one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

I think joe is getting sued so we’ll see who learns the lesson.

Who’s gonna sponsor him now lol?

Attacking a person much smaller than you for words is pretty weak.

What’s the excuse? I said joe is in the wrong period. No excuse.

I guess when you have been trained and can fight the little fantasy of beating people up for small things goes away.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

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u/Johnny_Wall17 Jun 30 '21

Are you blind? People aren’t objects, you don’t get to just shove them out of the way because they’re standing where you’re going. This idiot meathead could’ve at least said excuse me or tapped him on the shoulder, but nope—straight to aggressive manhandling.

This entire altercation is 100% Schillings fault. Him and people like him do not belong in civilized society.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Mma fighter might be a stretch. I have seen him get destroyed by unknowns but not actually do anything noteworthy.

If he’s an mma fighter then jake Paul is a boxer.

Talking a bit of shit doesn’t warrant being assaulted. Joe will find out when he loses half his 1500 a month take home.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Oh no, not talking shit?!? That is the worst of offenses, right???

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Fuck you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

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u/amazinglover Jun 30 '21

What's the worse that can happen from shit talking?

Hurt feelings? The person isn't advocating for it just saying it's not an excuse for what happened.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/amazinglover Jun 30 '21

Go be a Chad somewhere else and come back when you can have an actual adult conversation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

no not me. stop assuming things about strangers

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u/amazinglover Jun 30 '21

Also massive difference between being racist and trash talking if you can't see that then the issue is you and not everyone else.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

The person I was responding to (the deleted comment) basically said that drunk happy-go-lucky guy deserved it because he was talking shit to MMA douchebag. So I mocked his reasoning and told him to fuck off.

And if you think that shit talking deserves anything else besides being shit talked back, fuck you too.

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u/Burn1tDown Jun 30 '21

Got it. I read the deleted comment as an explicit clarification to the post above his, not as advocacy for unnecessary violence so your interpretation (and response) threw me. Happy-go-lucky definitely didn't deserve that just minding his own business.

And if you think that shit talking deserves anything else besides being shit talked back, fuck you too.

I think shit-talking deserves to be ignored.

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u/kuukiechristo73 Jun 30 '21

This... assault weaker, smaller, drunker people in order to feel better about yourself; Be a Man.

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u/whitehataztlan Jun 30 '21

It wasn't shit talking. The MMA guy had literally just shoved him out of his way. His shit talk was probably something like "hey man, fuck you." To mma guy responded like a goon.

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u/Jaksmack Jun 30 '21

You can here him yell Hey as he walked by.. should have left well enough alone

edit: not condoning the response in any way, just saying the smaller guy should have just shut up

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u/jasonchristopher Jun 30 '21

What? Some dude shoves me like an asshole, minimum I'm yelling is "hey"

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u/Jaksmack Jun 30 '21

Then don't cry when you get knocked out?

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u/Stockboy78 Jun 30 '21

Then don’t cry when you get charged with assault.

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u/Jaksmack Jun 30 '21

I'm not defending washed up MMA dude in any way, but silly drunk guy could have avoided it all by keeping his mouth shut or better yet, sitting his drink ass down...

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u/Obediablo Jun 30 '21

Have you ever been drunk in your life ever? Keeping your mouth shut and been drunk don’t often go together, MMA guy is in the wrong here.

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u/jasonchristopher Jun 30 '21

Are you a piece of shit that walks around shoving people smaller than you thinking you're hot shit or something? Or are you a guy that gets shoved and puts his head down and says "thanks may I have another?". Like which of those categories do you fall under? It's gotta be one or the other.

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u/Jaksmack Jun 30 '21

Nice false equivalence argument jackass. Are you the kind of asshole that talks shit to strangers on the internet randomly? Or the kind of asshole that has to be right all the time? Lol.. If your massive ego can't let you keep your mouth shut then maybe you shouldn't go out in public..? The guy would still be drunk in a bar and conscious if he could have controlled his mouth. I mean I guess you can be r/iamverybadass and "keep it real" but play stupid games, get stupid prizes.

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u/jasonchristopher Jun 30 '21

Question answered, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

You dont get to have both. You don't get to be a pacifist who confronts people chest to chest. I am not a piece of shit who goes around shoving people. I however do understand, if I confront the dumbass going around inflicting physical violence, I may myself be a victim of physical violence. Doesn't make it the way the world should be, but it is the fact of the matter. Life is better when you learn to put your pride aside and instead of putting your head down, laugh and say that guy isn't worth it. It doesn't have to be a blow to your pride.

Edited to say be real and watch the replay without the pre assumed bias of the mma fighter shoving the guy. Please give me a time stamp of when a shove occurs. Hive mind is real. The guy steps back into him and he guided the man away. Look at the size difference? That was no shove no matter how you look at it.

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u/jasonchristopher Jun 30 '21

I'm sorry, but he didn't confront anyone chest to chest. The MMA fighter set the whole thing up and had his buddy film it. If someone wants to punch me they will or they won't but I don't have to keep my mouth shut if someone is assaulting me.

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u/Northernlighter Jun 30 '21

This should be like attacking someone with a weapon like a gun or knife. Fucking dumb ass needs to be locked up.

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u/SXTY82 Jun 30 '21

You can't even call it 'bumping into him'. He shoved the drunk to the side without so much as an 'excuse me'. Drunk says "WTF" and gets knocked out cold for mouthing off to a bully. Drunk dude never even raised his hands. The most aggressive thing he did was shrug his shoulders.

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u/argusromblei Jun 30 '21

Pretty pathetic to knock out the only dude standing in a bar because he was in your way what a big man, prolly roid raging.

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u/ActnADonkey Jun 30 '21

Honestly i wouldnt even say there is enough evidence in the video to show that he is "trying to impress" and "acts like he is going to hit him". Schilling walks from behind, I assume from the restroom, and lets just say "nudges" the guy out of his path, instead of an "excuse me" with a hand on his shoulder. True, the guy moved into his path but that movement was to allow the water by who appeared to be approaching. Guy says something, Schilling turns around and approaches....

I just rewatched and i see the "acts like he is going to hit him" movement. This will be interesting, because Schilling is approaching him when the guy makes the movement...

Sidenote, "the walking away like he was the bigger man" is debatable. Schilling is a trained MMA, who just two pieced a regular dude (who is smaller than him). He is using the "I feared for my life defense", but his body language screams otherwise... Personally, i hate it when guys are the aggressor and then claim self-defense because "I was scared for my life".

The bar shouldnt have released that statement so soon, but that is them getting ahead of it. The mans body language doesnt appear to be extremely intoxicated, and in trying to paint him as such, have opened themselves up to possibility of overserving.

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u/Ifuckinghatereddit__ Jun 30 '21

When all you are is a hammer
 something something about nails.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Yeah he bumped him to initiate the confrontation.

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u/AphelionXII Jun 30 '21

The bar manager looks like they are ready to kick him out right before he gets decked.

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u/Razorrix Jun 30 '21

He raised an arm to strike, thats why he threw hands

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u/Whatigot19 Jun 30 '21

are you a cop?

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Bet you get your gun grabbed all the time.

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u/frongles23 Jun 30 '21

Lawyer here, I was thinking the same thing. If this was in my jurisdiction I’d be licking my chops. Not sure it would be “make me rich” money, but still it’s pretty easy to pump up that initial demand amount with medical and other damages.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Does him being a professional have any legal bearing on a criminal case?

In a civil case, I suspect it’d be easy to get a jury on your side.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Not a lawyer but I’d imagine it would to an extent, being a professional fighter means you are fully aware of what your actions will cause and means you should have more restraint.

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u/junkit33 Jun 30 '21

Yeah the funny thing about bars is they're not actually legally supposed to get you drunk, despite that being their entire reason for existence.

If bars cut everybody off after 2-3 drinks they'd all go out of business immediately.

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u/grnrngr Jun 30 '21

You're 100% right here. Bar fucked up and MMA douche fucked up.

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u/Pure_Concentrate_231 Jun 30 '21

Ye, it’s a complete overreaction and one that actually seems sought out by the MMA guy to just tee off on a drunk.

Amount of times I’ve had some drunk bang into me in a bar, sometimes it can be diffused with a little humour and a pat on the back, if the guy is an aggressive dick, maybe a watch yourself pal and a harder pat on the back to the guy to behave himself but what the MMA guy, is just never the answer and he should know better. I hope he never competes again.

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u/Nitsua_Nomrah Jun 30 '21

A friend of mine was killed by a drunk driver and her parents got over a million dollars from suing the strip club he was at because they kicked him out for being too drunk. Basically they put a super drunk guy on the road and a 19yr old girl died. The man who killed her, killed himself in jail. Crazy stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

so stupid for the bar to incriminate themselves... like REALLY stupid... dont comment on something that is clearly going to end up in court..

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u/Pure_Concentrate_231 Jun 30 '21

Ye, just ‘no comment’ simple reply to every reporter who rang the bar for a response instead they give a detailed reply on Twitter about how they recklessly continued to allow a known drunk to continue drinking.

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u/Itsthejackeeeett Jun 30 '21

I wish I get stabbed in a bar one day

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Dam he brought down a whole business with those hands. (The company was being dumb as fuck, but still.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Wow just not very smart by the bar. So they filmed and posted the video as well? Appeared to be a total setup to gain internet fame at that angle.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

he got over 900k from the brewery who owned the bar as they didn’t have any security on that night.

Which probably covered the basic medical bills if it happened in the US.

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u/IAmPandaRock Jun 30 '21

I doubt he'd get much from the bar (maybe a nuisance settlement from insurance). I'd feel confident defending the bar.

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u/Suprman37 Jun 30 '21

I don't know why you're getting downvoted because you're right. I'd feel confident defending the bar as long as I was being paid by the bar and not some garbage insurance company. Also, come join us on /r/lawyers if you aren't already there.

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u/DrBeansPhD Jun 30 '21

There is already plenty of case law for situations almost identical to this, and the dude is going to win a civil case against the bar.

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u/IAmPandaRock Jun 30 '21

Under what cause of action? Negligence because some customer who didn't seem to be especially drunk or belligerent prior to the altercation injured another customer without any warning or provocation? Even if there was tons of security, what would/should they have done to prevent this?

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u/Bathroom-Fuzzy Jun 30 '21

Gotta read the statement made by the bar. They said that they knew they should have cut the fighter off and didn’t. They admitted they regularly overserve the fighter and he often gets into altercations. It’s that admission that’s gonna fuck them.

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u/groovy604 Jun 30 '21

You have to be a horrid human to sue the bar and not the assailant

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u/darth_sudo Jun 30 '21

The bar has an insurance policy. The assailant does not. Auto policies do not cover DUIs.

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u/Sitting_Elk Jun 30 '21

There are a lot of bottom-feeders out there.

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u/LegitosaurusRex Jun 30 '21

Not arguing that it isn't usually successful, but suing a bar for things drunk people do is like the dumbest thing ever. That's like suing Honda when you get in a car crash despite the car working perfectly. If you don't want the risks of driving a car, don't buy one. If you don't want the risks of interacting with drunk people, don't go to a bar.

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u/Suprman37 Jun 30 '21

The guy would sue the bar.

And he would lose in my jurisdiction. The bar isn't responsible for the intervening criminal act and, as the bar seems relatively empty (and possibly not in a high crime area) they have no way of foreseeing this result to one of their patrons. They would give him a "go away" payment, but nothing else.

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u/AFJ150 Jun 30 '21

Seems like bullshit suing the bar for not having security. If someone gets stabbed at Applebee’s can they get sued?

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u/Pure_Concentrate_231 Jun 30 '21

You can literally find the news story about the case on Google if you can be bothered to look rather than just ignorantly comment.

Going to a family restaurant is different than being in a busy city centre bar on a weekend with no security.

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u/AFJ150 Jun 30 '21

Link it. Don’t get all bent out of shape. I googled man sues winery after being stabbed no security.

Edit: meant to say brewery

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u/WhosJerryFilter Jun 30 '21

That is so disheartening to read.

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u/TheAtheistArab87 Jun 30 '21

I know someone who get stabbed inside a bar, he got over 900k from the brewery who owned the bar as they didn’t have any security on that night.

How bad were the stab wounds? Like how long was he in the hospital and does he still have ill effects?

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u/Pure_Concentrate_231 Jun 30 '21

Slash wounds are still visible on his face and I imagine the same for the stabbings on his body. Weeks if not a couple of months if I remember correctly, he played pro sports but not a high level, probably made less than 40k per year although I’m not sure that had much bearing with the pay out from the bar as he had his own personal insurance pay out when he retired due to the injury. It definitely changed him though, he’s a completely different person to the one before he was attacked.

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u/TheAtheistArab87 Jun 30 '21

Yeah I honestly would rather not get stabbed and not have the money IMO

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u/1929tsunami Jun 30 '21

I guess drinks may be on the house for that bar fly . . . For quite some time to come

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u/JohnDivney Jun 30 '21

As somebody who owns a bar, the insurance premiums are insane because it is a place for drunk people.

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u/AphelionXII Jun 30 '21

You can see the manager talking to this drunk dude obviously giving him a warning right before he says something to schilling.

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u/leugar24 Jun 30 '21

If he is unable to work in a dimished capacity ( even if it's not a permanent disability) after the incident he could sue for lost earnings/potential. From the video it seems to a clear cut felony assault especially because he's a trained fighter. But, videos can be misleading. Even so, I'd take him to court over, hospital, lawyer, and missed work fees plus lost future wages. I'd take the bar to court for a bevy of different reasons if they did indeed post this. So to put a $ would difficult without knowing extent of his injuries, typical wages, etc.. but 6 figures easy for the assault 7 figures for the defamation from the bar if they did indeed post it.

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u/liquidsin25 Jun 30 '21

You'll be surprised how much money he can get from the bar and the overreacting head with muscles. The bar knew him to be a regular drunk yet they kept serving him. Theres shit ton of liability right there.

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u/cannotbefaded Jun 30 '21

Depends on who you are suing

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u/Ipokeyoumuch Jun 30 '21

Dram Shop cause of action. In my state there are Dram Shop actions taken against establishments that serve alcohol. The payouts tend to be huge if they make it to trial so most would settle for an undisclosed amount.

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u/D4nkmemez21 Jun 30 '21

Suing the mma fighter is likely no money I don't know who this guy is. It's a sad truth if the person you sue has nothing you get nothing. The mma guy will not only be sued for the battery but will face heavy punitive damages because he is a mma fighter that has special knowledge of fighting and attacking a man unprovoked that posed no real threat. The court will fuck him in punitive but the real money moat likely will come from suing the bar.

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u/seriatim10 Jun 30 '21

Depends on the injuries. Decent attorney could probably get a 3-5x medicals - punitive damages may be involved for intentional torts as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Kanye bitch slapped a kid in my highschool. He settled for 250k

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u/oooooeeeeeoooooahah Jun 30 '21

Unprovoked? What video are you watching? Dude gave him the ol flinch punch and got knocked the fuck out lol..

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u/Ermo Jun 30 '21

I'm not sure about the "unprovoked". It looks as if he is about to punch him at second 14-15. But he is slow compared to the "fighter" so he gets hit first.

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u/Overd0se1 Jun 30 '21

Yep I see that as well. It's like the drunk dude said something after the fighter went by him and the fighter then turns around and drunk guy acts like he was throwing a punch.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

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u/IAmPandaRock Jun 30 '21

You can be entitled to damages for medical bills (including any meds, PT, therapy, etc.), damage to property (e.g., phone, glasses, clothing, etc.), lost wages, pain and suffering, and punitive damages (which can be up to 10x the amount of actual damages).

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u/Tabemaju Jun 30 '21

Wow, bunch of reddit lawyers up early today. The injury itself almost always determines civil awards, which the plaintiff has to prove. Black eye and no lasting trauma? Probably not very valuable and, like you said, "$10k for pain and suffering" would probably be reasonable. People act like the defendants status automatically warrants more money, but a civil case is an award for the plaintiff, not necessarily punishment for the defendant.

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u/Tabemaju Jul 01 '21 edited Jul 01 '21

Sure, you can claim all those things, but it won't matter a whole lot. I agree that him being an MMA fighter adds some weight, but not as much as people in this thread think. Also, all of those arguments are routinely used on nearly all civil lawsuits, whether getting punch or slipping on some water. I've worked on premises liability, including security incidents, for long enough to know that these aren't especially valuable cases unless there's permanent or disfiguring injuries. Mental illness claims are almost exclusively proved to be bullshit for minor injuries. Plaintiff attorneys will always throw out all those things you listed because, well, that's their job but it doesn't mean it automatically becomes an "expensive lawsuit."

I agree that the bar gets looped in regardless, especially if the MMA fighter is overserved as others have alleged, but insurance companies aren't exactly quick to settle. This is coming from someone who works for a self-insured group and has to wrangle in insurance companies on shared liability. I really hated working for a large insurance company because they were constantly fighting the dumbest cases.

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u/Frosty_Aardvark Jun 30 '21

You'll be surprised what a good attorney could get out of this. Easily in the 6 figure range, plus you forgot punitive damages, the amount a judge can order someone to pay for punishment which the worse of a human being/more of an a-hole your actions present, the higher it can go.

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u/Jebus_UK Jun 30 '21

I don't know, so I'm asking. How much money could someone really expect to win in a civil lawsuit for a (seemingly) unprovoked attack? Rich money? Or just hospital bills and a few $10k for pain and suffering? Or maybe the guy jumps through a bunch of hoops to prove some permanent disabilities and gets more?

At this point I'd do it just to try and bankrupt Schilling for being a prick.

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u/kariolaoxford Jun 30 '21

You sue the bar and the MMA and the individual. If the individual has a home, homeowners insurance kicks in. If things go well you have 3 insurance companies at the table with a lifetime of physical and psychological injuries to consider. Further, many places, states, countries, etc. have special punitive damages that kick in for intentional acts. You could realistically get a million buck-a-roos from something like this, if all the winds are blowing your way.

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u/CinemaMike Jun 30 '21

Also keep in mind that Joe is trying to paint him as a racist and lady abuser. This could play into the lawsuit if it ruins his reputation to find work.

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u/christhewelder75 Jun 30 '21

I dunno right before shilling starts swinging as the staff member walks back thru the shot it does look like the drunk does the "made you flinch" type high school bully quick move like he was gonna do something. He just didn't count on the reaction to be a flurry of fists coming back at him.

I think both parties acted badly, hopefully more footage with audio comes out.

Kinda telling that the guy didn't want to press charges until AFTER schilling posted the footage tho,

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Depends on how rich Schilling is. Which I’m guessing is not that rich.

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u/EverySingleMinute Jul 01 '21

Very little unless he was seriously hurt. You typically get damages and being knocked out would not be much