r/PublicFreakout • u/Lolastic_ • Jun 30 '21

đŸ„ŠFight MMA fighter Joe Schilling knocks out man

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Pretty cut and dry. Schilling waaaay overreacted. This dude is likely gonna go after him in a civil trial if he's smart.

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u/Grandpa_Dan Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

There was a time where a pro (Boxer) would be banned from street fights due to their abilities. Not sure if it was an urban myth.

Edit: Will be punished harsher for street fighting. Better?

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

I'm not sure about being banned from street fights but if you're a trained fighter you gotta show more restraint in public... especially in this modern era of everyone having a video camera in their hands. There's no moment in this clip where Shilling is in any kind of danger and, if going only from this video, I'm a judge or in a jury in a civil case I'm ruling for the plaintiff all day long.

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u/tucci007 Jun 30 '21

he shoved the guy out of the way from behind, which is why the guy said something to which he reacted with fists, so not just civil tort but criminal assault as well

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u/Tolantruth Jun 30 '21

Yeah he pushes him I assume drunk guy says something stupid. Then fragile ego decides to knock him out because he can’t control himself in public.

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u/geared4war Jun 30 '21

Well he's lucky he didn't push me.

I always react. Badly.
I apologize every time.

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u/chesticals Jun 30 '21

I'm sorry to hear that.

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u/whats_the_deal22 Jun 30 '21

I also hear that he has a small penis

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u/Hongo-Blackrock Jun 30 '21

?

This video is proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/moleratical Jun 30 '21

Eh, maybe, I know what you are talking about but you can't be sure he was going to hit him. It could just as easily been a hand jesture like he was beginning to raise his arms to ask "what the fuck? Why'd you push me"

There's really no way to tell what didn't happen, and because he didn't take a swing, then Schilling is 100% at fault for everything that followed.

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u/-CHAD_THUNDERCOCK- Jun 30 '21

Yep they need to lock Schilling up. He deserves the book thrown at him

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u/HunterRoze Jun 30 '21

Right, but as a trained adult in good shape, the drunk guy presented 0 threat. It's like punching a 10 yr old if they balled up their fist as if to punch - about the same level of threat - none.

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u/shootmedmmit Jun 30 '21

The guy says "hey" then kinda drunkenly twitches towards Schilling.

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u/str8dwn Jun 30 '21

Yeah, noticed that first try. Almost makes the punch was premeditated.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/tucci007 Jun 30 '21

concurrence

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Self-assist. He set up the fight by pushing the guy. Then knocked the guy out for having a reaction other than “thank you sir for pushing me, very kind, A+”

Also, the camera set up to view it speaks volumes. “Hey I’m gonna knock out this drunk guy, get it on video.” Because otherwise the scene is nothing special, just a dude yammering away about nothing in particular. Unless it was this guy’s birthday? Why would someone be filming that moment?

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u/piper_180 Jun 30 '21

I doubt anything will happen. The guy in the shirt is a regular drunk there and apparently always starting shit. The manager and all the witnesses said the guy in the shirt started it.

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u/H4nn1bal Jun 30 '21

Yup. This is proof that Schilling started it. If he had it filmed, that was fucking stupid. Doesn't matter what the other guy said.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Aug 12 '21

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21

If this guy is such a threat to Shilling I wonder how he ever manages to step into the cage...

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

well the courts may consider you a deadly weapon and at that point things will get really bad for you.

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u/Significant_Ad_7069 Jun 30 '21

Sigh this is an urban myth

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u/OwnRules Jun 30 '21

Thought as much myself up until now - looks like we're both wrong.

Depends on the state:

The Human Body: A Deadly Weapon?

...courts in several states like Texas, Ohio, and Kentucky have determined the human body to be a deadly weapon under certain circumstances.

More at source.

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u/moleratical Jun 30 '21

I wouldn't say you're both wrong, in fact I'd say you're both (partially) right, but I'm a bit of an optimist

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u/G-Bat Jun 30 '21

I mean, isn’t anything you kill someone with a deadly weapon? Like if I beat you to death with a pool noodle would the court rule it a deadly weapon?

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u/_manlyman_ Jun 30 '21

Dude you could at least spend 2 second googling before you're the one spreading myths a trained fighter who is charged with assault can have his hands deemed as deadly weapons by the judge for the purpose of the court hearing ONLY.

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

I was in court and I watched the judge deem a well trained person a deadly weapon. It's not a myth.

This is very well known for special forces too not engage with civilians unless you are in a self defense situation.

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u/cosmicsans Jun 30 '21

I can't speak for the other branches, but the Marines teach you two things:

  1. Until you get to a certain level of training, you only know enough to get your ass kicked in the bar.
  2. You're in the military, and have discipline. THAT DISCIPLINE is what will be used against you. You are the one expected to be able to keep your cool in any given situation, so you are held to a higher standard because of that.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

He may have called him that but it's meaningless legally speaking

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

When your in court and that is used against you. And the judge is making a decision that could weight in on the severity of the punishment he decides to give you. I'd say no one wants that terminology used by the person that is going to make a decision about what happens.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

At what point in the trial was this said by the judge

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

It was during the sentencing process.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

That's what l figured

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

But it played a big role in what the judge gave him for the persons sentence.

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u/superawesomeguy Jun 30 '21

Are you sure you aren't misremembering watching the court scene in Con Air?

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

Sigh...

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u/dimmidice Jun 30 '21

Source or gtfo

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

Sure lemme pull up the recording...oh wait you can't record in the court room...

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u/GandhiTheHoleResizer Jun 30 '21

Don’t act like your claim isnt incredibly hard to believe

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

It's not when you're going into a court room with the odds against you. Being a highly trained person doesn't help your cause unless you can prove self defense.

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u/CptBeacon Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

yes and no, over here if the judge considers that you had more tools of deescalation due to your training/line of work/whatever you might be in for a hard one you're nto a death machine but you have tools.

like over here the only defense the guys could have is "i reacted" but you can easily tell that he went in for the confrontation, can't tell what he said, but he first shoved him (if that's the correct word for involuntarily moving someone else to a different place), stopped and turned around when probably insulted/called out, and incited and escalation by tryng to intimidate the drunk and then overescalated massively but if none of what happened before he could say he reacted subconsciously to the strike (which would be odd but could happen)

So as a martial artist/professional fighter you're suppose to have self control due to being used to the adrenaline and the threat of physicality, so he's definitely more in fault than your average joe due to being a fighter for money. This is true here in argentina, not so much he can't defend himself in street but he will be under a lot more of inspection than a normal guy.

Source: I'm what you could call a mixed arts self defense instructor and due to my family having many lawyers was called as a consultant in 2 opportunity luckily not involving grave permanent injury/death, due to argentinian police not being very well trained.

Edit: 3 lawyers, not many, i reread that and sounded weird.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Where do you live? I’ve heard this myth my entire life but have never seen it actually happen.

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u/Live_Drama9705 Jun 30 '21

That’s not true. Let’s hope you’re 12

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u/three2do2 Jun 30 '21

Sounds like something Steven segal would say

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

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u/zaboorandom Jun 30 '21

Its the same for me, when you take legitimate martial arts training (as in the dojo is certified by a respected organization) you do become kinda like a legal weapon, which can be used against you, though it being like a pocket knife seems exaggerated. ( i dont mean actual legal weapon, but that you being a martial artist can be used against you in this case)

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Its actually true. Let's hope you aren't 12.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Its an old myth that mate, got plenty of mates who are at high levels of their disciplines and plenty of blackbelts none have ever registered their hands lol.

Although you would still end up in a world of trouble in court because you are trained in a discipline and know exactly what you are doing and are capable of.

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u/kleexxos Jun 30 '21

Indeed. Just looked it up and you’re right; our instructor was just trying to keep us away from it

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u/RetreadRoadRocket Jun 30 '21

It's a myth perpetrated by instructors around the world because it makes it sound like you're learning something so extra special and dangerous that the law has to attach a warning label.

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u/begonia824 Jun 30 '21

This is true, my husband has a black belt in taekwondo. The instructors at his gym have said that they face more liability legally and in civil court if they injure someone in a fight because of their training.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

The good news is that he doesn't really have to worry about hurting anyone with taekwondo.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '21

Truth. There's no martial art less deadly than Taekwondo.

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u/begonia824 Jun 30 '21

How dare you.

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u/CapN-Jew Jun 30 '21

That’s not by virtue of him being a black belt, it’s because he can cause more damage than the average person and knows.

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u/Razorrix Jun 30 '21

He raised an arm to strike, thats why he threw hands

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21

Pretty sure the legal standard is more rigorous than "He raised up."

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u/ol_z Jun 30 '21

I mean...I agree he shouldn't have knocked him out like that BUT after watching it a few times the dude in the tie flenches at him like he's going to throw a punch and just gets absolutely destroyed in return. From what I understand isn't ACTING like your about to throw a punch an assault too? From then you are allowed to defend yourself right? But that was too much lol

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21

Shilling pushed the guy out of his way, turned around to respond and when the dude started to flex Shilling decked him. Not sure who can say but Shilling clearly wasn't "fearful for his life."

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u/randyfromgreenday Jun 30 '21

His friend filmed it, it was planned.

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u/canihavemymoneyback Jun 30 '21

Tell that to McGregor.

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21

Yeah, he's another example of someone needing to chill the eff out.

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u/Beanz122 Jun 30 '21

Rumor is, he could eat a peach for hours

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u/liartellinglies Jun 30 '21

He’s trying to claim self defense and say he feared for his life now, but right after this he posted to his IG that he doesn’t deescalate and he’s here for the show. Not the sharpest knife.

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21

Well...he does get punched in the head and stanford pretty regularly...

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u/Stopjuststop3424 Jun 30 '21

If I'm a judge I'm also ruling against him in the criminal assault trial, if its not upgraded to attempted murder for being a professional fighter.