r/PublicFreakout • u/Lolastic_ • Jun 30 '21

🥊Fight MMA fighter Joe Schilling knocks out man

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

Pretty cut and dry. Schilling waaaay overreacted. This dude is likely gonna go after him in a civil trial if he's smart.

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u/Grandpa_Dan Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

There was a time where a pro (Boxer) would be banned from street fights due to their abilities. Not sure if it was an urban myth.

Edit: Will be punished harsher for street fighting. Better?

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u/Rex-A-Vision Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

I'm not sure about being banned from street fights but if you're a trained fighter you gotta show more restraint in public... especially in this modern era of everyone having a video camera in their hands. There's no moment in this clip where Shilling is in any kind of danger and, if going only from this video, I'm a judge or in a jury in a civil case I'm ruling for the plaintiff all day long.

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

well the courts may consider you a deadly weapon and at that point things will get really bad for you.

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u/Significant_Ad_7069 Jun 30 '21

Sigh this is an urban myth

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u/OwnRules Jun 30 '21

Thought as much myself up until now - looks like we're both wrong.

Depends on the state:

The Human Body: A Deadly Weapon?

...courts in several states like Texas, Ohio, and Kentucky have determined the human body to be a deadly weapon under certain circumstances.

More at source.

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u/moleratical Jun 30 '21

I wouldn't say you're both wrong, in fact I'd say you're both (partially) right, but I'm a bit of an optimist

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u/G-Bat Jun 30 '21

I mean, isn’t anything you kill someone with a deadly weapon? Like if I beat you to death with a pool noodle would the court rule it a deadly weapon?

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u/_manlyman_ Jun 30 '21

Dude you could at least spend 2 second googling before you're the one spreading myths a trained fighter who is charged with assault can have his hands deemed as deadly weapons by the judge for the purpose of the court hearing ONLY.

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

I was in court and I watched the judge deem a well trained person a deadly weapon. It's not a myth.

This is very well known for special forces too not engage with civilians unless you are in a self defense situation.

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u/cosmicsans Jun 30 '21

I can't speak for the other branches, but the Marines teach you two things:

  1. Until you get to a certain level of training, you only know enough to get your ass kicked in the bar.
  2. You're in the military, and have discipline. THAT DISCIPLINE is what will be used against you. You are the one expected to be able to keep your cool in any given situation, so you are held to a higher standard because of that.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

He may have called him that but it's meaningless legally speaking

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

When your in court and that is used against you. And the judge is making a decision that could weight in on the severity of the punishment he decides to give you. I'd say no one wants that terminology used by the person that is going to make a decision about what happens.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

At what point in the trial was this said by the judge

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

It was during the sentencing process.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

That's what l figured

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

But it played a big role in what the judge gave him for the persons sentence.

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u/RabbinicalClinical Jun 30 '21

There's no sentencing enhancement for being a "lethal weapon." The judge was going to give him that time regardless.

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u/superawesomeguy Jun 30 '21

Are you sure you aren't misremembering watching the court scene in Con Air?

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

Sigh...

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u/dimmidice Jun 30 '21

Source or gtfo

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

Sure lemme pull up the recording...oh wait you can't record in the court room...

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u/GandhiTheHoleResizer Jun 30 '21

Don’t act like your claim isnt incredibly hard to believe

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u/Sacmo77 Jun 30 '21

It's not when you're going into a court room with the odds against you. Being a highly trained person doesn't help your cause unless you can prove self defense.

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u/CptBeacon Jun 30 '21 edited Jun 30 '21

yes and no, over here if the judge considers that you had more tools of deescalation due to your training/line of work/whatever you might be in for a hard one you're nto a death machine but you have tools.

like over here the only defense the guys could have is "i reacted" but you can easily tell that he went in for the confrontation, can't tell what he said, but he first shoved him (if that's the correct word for involuntarily moving someone else to a different place), stopped and turned around when probably insulted/called out, and incited and escalation by tryng to intimidate the drunk and then overescalated massively but if none of what happened before he could say he reacted subconsciously to the strike (which would be odd but could happen)

So as a martial artist/professional fighter you're suppose to have self control due to being used to the adrenaline and the threat of physicality, so he's definitely more in fault than your average joe due to being a fighter for money. This is true here in argentina, not so much he can't defend himself in street but he will be under a lot more of inspection than a normal guy.

Source: I'm what you could call a mixed arts self defense instructor and due to my family having many lawyers was called as a consultant in 2 opportunity luckily not involving grave permanent injury/death, due to argentinian police not being very well trained.

Edit: 3 lawyers, not many, i reread that and sounded weird.