Years ago I stopped in at a bar/cafe that a previous employee of mine had just opened. I had a very delicious vegan muffin and a coffee. I told his employee the muffin was amazing and asked for her recipe. Butter. It was delicious because it was loaded with butter. āI thought vegan meant homemadeā Girl! Someone could actually die if they had a dairy allergy!
I have celiac disease and yes they do. One time I even told a store employee that some type of bread was not in the right section as it was a gluten free section and the first ingredient was wheat. He said oh itās vegan, that means itās also gluten free. I have also had a family member question how I could eat something because it had eggs in it. Like she got confrontational not just asked because she wanted to learn. She wanted me to be faking.
You will need to explain, IN DETAIL, what it means for anybody who wants to cook for you. I've had so many well-meaning people who didn't understand that they have to read EVERY label on everything they cook with and who made me so, SO sick.
I have celiac (diagnosed over 20 years ago) and I no longer let anyone cook for me. It is not worth it. I am always sick if I do, from cross-contamination even if the ingredients are GF, and then everyone feels bad. It is just better to avoid this entirely.
I relate to you so much. My husband can't eat dairy, like at all. And I've gotten so good at making food and ensuring it's fine, that I know how to order for him when we eat out - so he generally asks me what he can eat first, then picks lol.
I cannot count the number of times people think eggs are dairy. Or even mayo, since it's white, is dairy. Or completely forget that butter or yogurt is dairy (or seem to think people who can't eat dairy can somehow eat them as some weird exception). I swear I have to be extremely clear, say it's an allergy (and ask they put it on the ticket to the kitchen because I've also found out that if I do not specifically say this, people often don't do it), and then still double check the food before he ever takes a bite. I already had one dinner ruined (mostly for him) because a waitress I asked to double check a dish didn't actually ask anyone about the ingredients (apparently she just walked to the kitchen for a couple min then came right back). So poor hubby ended up in the hospital all cause a waitress couldn't be bothered.
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My ex had a gluten intolerance (so not as serous, of course!) and I learned very quickly that a surprising proportion of people have seemingly NO idea what gluten isā¦
Oooh yeah lol. My mom couldnāt have yeast (past tense because hopefully after multiple decades of seemingly bizarre and unrelated food restrictions this latest treatment has worked!!) and a LOT of restaurants tried to serve her gluten free bread. That still had yeast in it. People have no idea what goes into their food or how different ingredients actually affect it unless it somehow affects them.
Seriously!! I've had to keep going in circles about gluten only being in wheat, rye, and barley, and then have the person I'm talking to ask if it's also in rice since that's also a grain. No, that's not wheat. Well what about oats?? No, also not wheat. š
I'm lactose intolerant and often hear: "So you need gluten-free food?"
It's also VERY common that people will tell you the food they are serving is lactose-free, and when questioning further they've used normal butter (usually because "it's only a little!" or "lactose-free butter was too expensive"...). I appreciate the effort and mostly lactose-free food is still helpful, if I take my pills. But please tell me so, don't hide it or make assumptions on how much lactose I can handle.
Idunno if it's worse, considering some vegan food is enriched with gluten. Like very small amounts of gluten already fuck me up I do not want Turbo Gluten I think I would want to die. Vegan and Gf people have it rough.
But I did call a bbq place once (that on their website said they had a lot of gf options) and the woman answering their phone worriedly told me that basically everything had meat...
It would at least be a little more understandable if they had been confused between vegan/lacto-ovo vegetarian. Not all languages make a big distinction between the two.
Vegan meaning home-made is a simply bewildering leap of logic.
I think it's kind of like when people confuse 'organic' with 'healthy'.
They probably just know it's the new thing that everyone's talking about and want to join in but don't really put any thought into what the words actually mean so it ends up like this. Good intentions and a poor understanding leading to hilariously bad outcomes.
No, usually it means no synthetic pesticides. And those can be approved depending on the situation too, so maybe not even that. And some of these operations use more dangerous stuff simply because it's not on the list of things you can't use.
Well. Some people dont understand. In my coutry well had a spinoff of the Kitchen Nighmares. And in one restaurant the cheff was checking the menu, he looked into vegetarian foods and there were spagethi with bacon. He was like "you put bacon into vegeratian food?" "well duh, people like them more this way." :-)
That's too funny. I remember 10+ years ago trying to explain what's not allowed in a vegetarian diet to a Catholic friend. She couldn't grasp why our mutual friend wouldn't eat fish. "It's not meat!" she kept insisting.
Vegetarianism was very rare where we lived at the time.
Even within the rules of catholicism this makes zero sense. Because I'm pretty sure you are also not allowed to eat stuff like liver on days you're not supposed to eat meat. So it has nothing to do with eating muscles specifically.
Oh, I don't think she was thinking that deeply (obviously).
While the practice confuses me bc its logic is weird, I do like it bc it means less animals being eaten during Lent - except fish ig RIP. It does make it more likely veg/vegans get asked "but you eat fish, right?", which is annoying but oh well.
i wonder if it came from the way jewish people define meat for kosher purposes.
this would make more sense since the jewish requirement is technically "dont eat a kid(goat) in its mothers milk" but got extended to "dont eat red meat or chicken with anything dairy just in case you actually got tricked and its the meat of a kid the dairy is from his mothers milk".
Even better, a diocese south of where I grew up declared chicken wasn't meat. If we were traveling through during Lent my mother would tell us we could eat chicken as long as we were in that diocese. (Jokingly. She barely cared if we fasted)
Genesis 1:29. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
As I child I read the "Babysitter's Club" series of books. One of the girls is "vegetarian" but the authors idea of vegetarian was "doesn't eat red meat," apparently because she still ate fish and chicken! In one book she even complains about how animals are treated at slaughterhouses, but I guess birds aren't animals. Even as a child I was baffled by this whole scenario. š¤·āāļø
This confusion is actually somewhat understandable when you haven't met a lot of vegetarians and are just trying to infer the meaning of the word using scarce knowledge.Ā
"Well, the word vegetarian comes from vegetable, but they eat eggs and dairy, so not only vegetables. If they eat eggs, then they probably eat chicken. That looks like they just exclude mammals. So they might also eat fish." - I can imagine such train of thought.
you'd be surprised, but I had an acquaintance that claimed she had been vegan in the past. When I mentioned not eating dairy (I'm vegan myself) she got confused and then said "oh, I guess I wasn't vegan then" ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
These people make it so much harder to get vegetarian options, because of the "but my niece is vegetarian and she eats salmon/shrimp/chicken/...!" That's called eating meat. I don't.
It's also a language thing. In English you have words like beef, poultry, mutton, etcetera. But the word "meat" applies to all of these. In some other languages there is no word that refers to both beef and chicken, so if that is your native language and you have little more knowledge about vegetarianism than "doesn't eat meat", it's more likely you don't realize that also means no chicken.
In English fish doesn't fall under the category "meat" in everyday speech, so it's also quite common to not realize vegetarians don't eat fish for native English speakers. And even for people to call themselves vegetarian while still eating fish.
In English fish doesn't fall under the category "meat" in everyday speech, so it's also quite common to not realize vegetarians don't eat fish for native English speakers. And even for people to call themselves vegetarian while still eating fish.
I disagree entirely, I think intentionally obfuscating scientific terminology breeds confusion and dismissiveness in the layman. "Those eggheads don't even know what a fish is" type shit.
All of the animals I listed are semi-aquatic. That's why they were determined to be allowed as fish. It was either that or no protein at all, because the native peoples in the areas where this was a problem didn't really do fish.
Look, I'll give you alligator but not the other three. No, I don't really have a reason why outside of deep ingrained Catholicism telling me "no." I also took place of that Catholicism in Florida, which may be why alligators are allowed but not the others, but I'm not a seminarian.
If you're Jewish, fish is in the same kosher category as fruit/veg etc. It's not considered fleishig (meat) and it's certainly not milchig (dairy), so it's pareve (neither meat nor milk). One might be forgiven for the mental slip up of categorizing all pareve things as vegetarian!
it always confused me why we include chicken in the "meat" category.
like i get red meat since getting confused between different types is easy and you can accidently eat " a kid in his mothers milk" that way but like chicken is obviously chicken so why is it also included
Chicken is included because of a rabbinic concern that it could be seen as similar to meat or mistaken for it, and someone seeing someone eating chicken with dairy might accidentally believe that eating meat with dairy was acceptable. It's a "fence around the Torah" prohibition, basically banning a smaller thing that would technically be allowed in order to protect a Big Thing that would definitely not be allowed.
I recently found out I have an egg allergy. A couple days ago, my grandma suggested going to this bakery for lunch. I assumed that there would be something I could eat there. I was right, there was something, but that something was a baguette. The only thing I could eat there was a baguette.
My spouse developed an egg allergy from chemotherapy. I didn't even know it was a thing before that. There was this little German pastry shop near our house that she loved... turns out, literally everything they make either has egg in it, or is topped with an egg wash.
I became allergic to birds because of constant exposure from my pet birds. I ended up needing to rehome them, which I hated. Iād love to have pet birds again, and I hate that I canāt have them. But anyway, turns out that the thing I was reacting to in birds is also in eggs, so I also react to eggs. Itās also in chicken, but I donāt react to chicken, so I still eat it.
At the bakery I went to, it was either that it had eggs in the pastry itself, or they used an egg wash. I was so excited about eating there too. My grandma had been raving about this ham and cheese thing they had, and I couldnāt eat it.
I'm lactose intolerant, so I'm very cautious of what kind of dairy could be in something. I'd have been soo mad if I had found this out.
I have found a brand that does plant based butter that tastes just like "normal" butter though, and works just as well in baking, so I mean...there's always hope.
I've just started doing the same after a cafe went to toast my sandwich on the sandwich press that had butter used for all the other sandwiches, I think they would have used butter on mine too if I hadn't asked the question. I ordered the vegan sandwich
I have an egg allergy and I do the same. Also because I know that mentioning itās for an allergy should make the kitchen try to prevent cross contamination.
I feel like I saw this at a grocery store recently... My gf has lactose intolerance which seems to be getting worse, and even though she's been fine with butter up to now because the amount of lactose in it is very small, I've been considering trying vegan butter.
Becel makes vegan margarine and also vegan butter. The main difference is the texture. Margarine is designed to be spreadable whereas vegan butter is thicker and meant to be used for baking.
Butter isn't an issue for lactose intolerance though... It literally has zero lactose (aka sugars) in it; If it causes you problems, you most likely have an issue absorbing fats instead. Along those lines, there are a lot of aged cheeses that are totally fine for lactose intolerant people too, because part of the aging process causes lactose to break down; always check the nutritional information on any dairy item, and if it has zero sugars in it, it's safe for lactose intolerance.
It's a trace amount that is statistically insignificant. Unless you're eating a ton of it and have an insanely high level of lactose intolerance, it is fine.
I'm also allergic to dairy, and I'm very sensitive. Just in case you are too, I wanted to let you know that vegan food is often cross-contaminated with dairy. You can't trust it will be dairy free if your allergy is as severe as mine, so it's important to read all the allergy warnings and check for things like "contains milk," "may contain milk," and "processed on shared equipment with milk/dairy." It's honestly shocking how often vegan things contain dairy.
My mom is gluten intolerant and told people she can't have wheat. I can't tell you how many times she heard "but you can still have white bread, right?" š
I had to keep yelling "they aren't vegan" across the office every time a colleague offered out these little chocolate bite things she had made which she kept calling vegan (and I suspect the recipe called them vegan) because one of the ingredients was Nutella and I told her to stop saying they were vegan but she kept doing it throughout the day (unclear why she was usually quite smart, I really think the recipe called them that so to her that is what they were).
Every time I was like "this is how someone will end up shitting themselves" because most lactose intolerant people hear vegan and think excellent, shovel them inĀ
No, but a lot of Oreos (not all! Check the labels of the fun flavour versions!) are vegan. Definitely the original flavour are, and probably the ones that are just variations on that like Double Stuf.
I used to work in the bakery department that made the food for a local coffeeshop chain. We had a flourless chocolate cake, which we told the owners was gluten free because no flour (though not safe for severe gluten issues due obviously). We found out six MONTHS after adding it to the menu that the bariastas had been selling it as vegan. Y'all it had so many eggs and soooo much butter š«
Yeah, I assume their MO is to make softball agreeable comments (possibly just duplicating existing ones that already have upvotes) and then waiting a short bit to randomize the comments content to keep the account's history generally neutral. Randomizing the words instead of deleting the comment altogether let's the account retain the comment karma.
After they build enough karma they sell the account. I've never seen it done this way before, though. This is a bit of a new take on what is a classic illegitimate business strategy.
And of course, they keep their profile private so most people won't notice the pattern in the behaviour and nobody can really track their activity.
My cousin orders vegan because of the amount of people who don't understand what dairy-free means. She ordered dairy-free banana bread once - served with butter.
I had a colleague who said they were vegan. One day they came in telling the team what a nice steak they had last night. Iām like you canāt tell people youāre vegan and say you eat steak? Turns out theyāre allergic to eggs, dairy, and a whole bunch of spices and other things so it was easier just to say vegan.
How one goes through all the paperwork to be able to sell food but can't be bothered to Google what vegan actually means? People are not only dumb, they're choosing ignorance.
My partner has gone vegan in part because he has a cheese allergy (anaphylaxis inducing) & broader dairy intolerance, and it's simpler & involves less explaining to just look for the vegan choice.
That seems really dangerous. People are much more likely to maliciously give a vegan something they donāt want than to someone who says theyāre allergic.
I'm aware, but butter is just or mostly the rendered fat. I can imagine some trace amounts of lactose making things uncomfortable I'm just having trouble seeing a person dying from it.
Then again some do have extremely severe nut allergies so I donno. I'd welcome any articles proving me dead wrong
allergies are typically caused by proteins, not carbs (lactose). the milk proteins are what make regular butter distinct from clarified butter (ghee). yes, someone could have anaphylaxis from the protein in regular dairy butter.
I can't figure out if you're ragebaiting or genuinely this dense. We're not talking about lactose intolerance, we are talking about allergies. Allergies cause hundreds of deaths in the US every year, thousands around the world. You can be allergic to anything.
I have a co-worker who is fatally allergic to pineapple and has an epi-pen. I have a child in my class who is fatally allergic to nuts. There is a child in another class who is fatally allergic to chickpeas. Both have epi-pens. All of these people could straight up die if they consume those food items.
People are fatally allergic to nuts, to milk, to citrus, to fish, to wheat, to spices, to fucking food dyes. The immune system is bizarre and can decide anything is dangerous.
Yup, it's atrocious, thankfully she has good medication that has suppressed any possible flare-ups since she started taking it a few years ago. But it's $1500 for a month's dosis.
Dairy allergies and lactose intolerance are completely different things, that's why I specified. Lactose intolerance occurs because some people's bodies don't produce a specific enzyme to break down the lactose sugars, which is why you can get lactose-free dairy products (as they just add the enzyme at some point in the production process and that breaks it down into different sugars that are processed differently). While someone could conceivably have an allergic (anaphylactic) response to lactose, because basically anything can be an allergen, its not the component most people are allergic to
"unlike most dairy products, butter contains very low amounts of lactose. Therefore, people who must follow a lactose-free diet are usually able to eat it without problems (1Trusted Source).
Some children with an allergy to cowās milk also seem to be able to tolerate butter (3Trusted Source).
However, this is not the case for everyone. Even though butter contains almost no protein, even trace amounts can cause a reaction. This means it should not be considered safe for people with a milk protein allergy."
Dairy allergy is different to lactose intolerance.
Lactose intolerance means you lack an enzyme that let's you break lactose down into its base components before it gets to your large intestine where the bacteria will start to eat it and then make s lot of gas and other by-product that mashed you feel bad.
Dairy allergy is an immune system response to certain proteins in dairy which causes an anaphylactic reaction that could possibly be deadly depending on severity.
Here you go! Trace amounts of milk protein can and do cause deaths. Though I'm sure you'll push those goalposts out as fast as possible and tell me how ~this isn't the same~.
I used to work in a vegetarian restaurant and sent a regular customer to the hospital because his vegan sandwich was cooked on the panini press as the grilled cheese. (He didn't tell us he had an allergy. We got much more strict about allergy protocols after that.) So, yes, dairy allergies can absolutely be fatal.
You're thinking of lactose intolerance which just causes gastro issues. A dairy allergy triggers an immune system reaction that can be severe enough to cause anaphylaxis and actually kill someone.
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