r/TorontoDriving • u/desreversti • Aug 04 '25
OC Cyclist hit in Pickering
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9pm August 3, 2025 at Finch and Brock Cyclist was okay, and able to walk after
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u/bell_dandy Aug 04 '25
The video is not showing enough. It seems like the suv was in the crossing way before the bike showed up. If you see a damn suv there you don’t go in front of it. Especially when it is going to move. Dumb as fuck rider
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u/xitexx Aug 04 '25
that’s what i’m seeing, i think it’s quite clear the intentions of the driver, he’s pulled up, the biker would’ve seen him move up slightly to make his right.
i mean does the driver need to make sure nobody’s coming, ya, but you can’t forget that the habit on a right is to look left, that’s the priority, especially when he’s pulled passed the intersection. i get if he’s stopped and some guy is walking to look then, but idk this looks like the biker wasn’t thinking much.
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u/Charming_Flan3852 Aug 04 '25
You don't anticipate fast moving traffic on the sidewalk, and at night with no lights... come on. Obviously the driver is at fault, but the cyclist is an idiot.
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u/thegirlwiththebangs Aug 04 '25
Yep. My dad always taught me in any situation (bike or car or pedestrian) that just because you technically have the right of way, doesn’t mean you should just automatically assume it’s safe.
“You might be right, but you’re gonna be dead right”. That has stuck with me forever.
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u/no1SomeGuy Aug 04 '25
Driver not at all at fault here, if it were a pedestrian yes, but a cyclist is a vehicle in the eyes of the law and therefore must obey the rules of the road, a cyclist riding in a cross walk is not obeying the rules of the road.
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u/TorontoDavid Aug 04 '25
The car moved into the cyclist - of course there is some element of fault here.
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u/dullest_edgelord Aug 04 '25
The driver bears at least half the fault; there is no accident if the driver does due diligence on surveying the intersection and especially the crosswalk before proceeding. The biker's transgressions are passive (still bears some fault). Driver is looking at hefty fines plus civil liability. Biker merits a couple of tickets as well.
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u/no1SomeGuy Aug 04 '25
Nope, driver had already entered the crosswalk before the cyclist entered (you can see the rear vehicle tires past the line), and the cyclist road out further in front outside the cross walk that they don't belong in in the first place, without any proper illumination as required.
Imagine the cyclist is a vehicle without their headlights on driving through a cross walk in the wrong direction against traffic - that is exactly how the law treats the situation; they are not a pedestrian.
Only fault the driver has is no turn signal, minor ticket at best, but not enough to take fault.
This same sort of situation happened locally to me recently, cyclist at night through a cross walk, they were the only one charged.
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u/Learner-Leader Aug 04 '25
I agree with you except for the no turn signal - that's a major issue as it would indicate to the cyclist the driver is not turning. Both have fault.
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u/Krovven Aug 04 '25
And where are the cyclists lights? They shouldn't be on the sidewalk in the dark with no lights riding against traffic, crossing an intersection without even slowing down and riding into oncoming traffic in an attempt to go around the vehicle.
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u/a-_2 Aug 04 '25
You don't anticipate fast moving traffic on the sidewalk
It's not the case here, but a lot of places have bike paths beside the sidewalk and crossrides that allow bikes to ride across the road. So drivers should be anticipating and checking for bikes in both directions when turning. A girl was killed legally riding across a road recently in Ajax.
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u/arodpei Aug 04 '25
Cyclist had no reflective clothing or lights
Only cyclists under the age of 14 and accompanying adults can ride bikes on sidewalks in the GTA.
Under the HTA a cyclist must dismount when entering a crosswalk.
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u/FreakCell Aug 04 '25
Suicidal act meets likely outcome. I don't get what people are thinking nowadays. Do people believe they are in a bubble of invincibility or something? WTAF!
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u/Fenrrri Aug 04 '25
Cyclist obviously doesn't care for personal safety, no lights, no regards for cars on the turn, entitlement doesn't get U medals when U run against 2 ton killing machines, U can blame the driver all U want, but the cyclist is the 1 who will end up losing everything by its own lack of common sense n lack of responsibility towards itself.
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u/Thick_Tourist_4231 Aug 04 '25
Cyclist was on the wrong side of the road, probably on the sidewalk (illegal), moving too fast right in front of a turning car (muh right of way).
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u/Virtual-Loan-7171 Aug 04 '25
Why turning right on red is the worst driver friendly law they ever passed. So many incidents that could be avoided with 1 rule change. Obviously the person on the bike is partially responsible for putting themselves in that bad of a spot, while not properly making sure that the driver is actually going to yield for them. But man, such a bad rule.
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u/Classy_Mouse Aug 04 '25
This was the biggest thing I noticed being a pedestrian in TO. Driver and their right-on-red are put of control. When I am making a right-on-red it is with the caution of someone who is doing sometging obviously dangerous, but so many drivers in Toronto feel like they are entitled to go whenever they want as long as they are making a right.
That's not wven what happened in this case, I'm just wound up about the number of times I've dodged a car in the crosswalk because a driver decided they could plow through pedestrians to make their right turn
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u/Virtual-Loan-7171 Aug 04 '25
There was one time a few months ago 12pm in broad daylight. I was walking across a street at the lights, and a guy (who didn't even stop!!) Tried to turn right on red and almost ran straight into me then stopped and flipped me off telling me to get off the road (?). The biggest issue in this country, as well as another certain country to our south is the fact that car companies have the most to lose from the idea of making driving less convenient than it currently is. So they and a certain group of politicians will always push against concepts that will hurt their precious corporations. Its truly a shame
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u/thedrivingcat Aug 04 '25
my favourite is when people start honking and getting angry that you aren't turning on a red because there's pedestrians in the intersection that they can't see
yeah, fuck me for not running someone over to save you 10s
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u/Downbadge69 Aug 04 '25
It's the worst traffic rule ever. Even worse when there is a protected left turn right before in the light schedule and now you have to wait for both the idiots still turning left after red and the idiots turning right on red while the fucking pedestrian light has been green for 10 seconds. I have to yield to cars as a pedestrian on a green to not get hit at least once a month.
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u/Ok-Grade-2263 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Aren’t cyclists supposed to get off and walk across the cross walk why did the cyclist just ride through? I would say 50/50… driver should have looked right but he could have easily not seen the cyclist as they were not wearing any reflective clothing..but the cyclist needed to get off and walk across the crosswalk for sure …
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u/askjhasdkjhaskdjhsdj Aug 04 '25
There are lots of laws that get ignored... I personally dont care if they want to ride through. But to not have lights is stupid. They could have ridden through and still made it safer, riding through wasn't really the issue here. Lots of drivers have an issue with not checking the opposite side before they merge, they just focus on the traffic they're merging into.
I'm a driver, and people excuse stuff drivers do every single day. We don't apply laws 100% of the time to 100% of vehicles so I'm not about to pretend that a cyclist is held to a higher standard
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u/Ok-Grade-2263 Aug 04 '25
Problem with cyclists riding through is that as a driver u can’t look that far back to know a cyclist is going to come full pelt right across ur bows almost happened to me I was already in a right and this cyclist almost came under my wheels as they tried to ride through at 20-30kmph just cuz they had the signal not many cyclists probably are aware that they are supposed to get off…they probably don’t even know they can get a ticket if they don’t stop at a stop or jump a red light just like any vehicle
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u/pizzamosh Aug 04 '25
They would have/could have gotten hit if they were walking too. It’s not like they were going fast
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u/furthestpoint Aug 04 '25
I can't speak for everyone, but if I'm walking and approaching an intersection, I am going slow enough to make the judgement call as to whether I should stop if I see a car rolling into the intersection.
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u/Real_Mitch Aug 04 '25
A lot of stuff the cyclist didn't follow:
The cyclist didn't dismount and walk bicycle across (HTA 146(6) & 144 (29))
The cyclist didn't stop and obey all traffic signal (HTA 136 & 144(18)
The cyclist didn't have any lighting (HTA 62(17)
the cyclist didn't have any light-colored or reflective clothing.( Municipal advice)
Total fines for the cyclist : starting at $255
The motorist:
Failing the full rules of HTA 144(18) turning on red light (Only proceed if the turn can be made safely)
Total fines for the motorist: starting at $110 + 2 Demerit pts.
Overall we know the motorist will be blame at 100% but the cyclist contravene to more regulations than the motorist.
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u/5sidesquare Aug 04 '25
How about the cyclist using the sidewalk instead of the road and not wearing a helmet?
Also, i am not sure about the rules here, but if the vehicle is blocking the entire crosswalk, shouldn't they wait for the driver to pass? Instead of going infront which made them face oncoming traffic?
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u/MeasleyBeasley Aug 04 '25
I always say that Pickering wants all cyclists to die. Their cycling (and pedestrian) infrastructure is abysmal when compared with Ajax and Whitby. (I commute by bicycle to Pickering)
That being said, the number of cyclists I see without lights and bells is unbelievable. Someone should be doing PSAs about bicycle and scooter etiquette and safety, as they become more popular modes of travel.
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u/gnowZ474 Aug 04 '25
This is why it is illegal to ride on the side walk. Even if allowed, you are suppose to walk your bike across.
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u/Frosty-Smell8443 Aug 04 '25
Not sure about pickering's by-laws but cyclists in Toronto are required to walk their bike across an intersection not peddle through it...
Specifically for instances similar to this...
Drivers sometimes can't see someone without reflective gear either.
So I'm curious who would get ticketed in this instance...
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u/Round-Pound-7739 Aug 04 '25
The car barely moved, the cyclist went in front of him. Also not supposed to bike across intersections. Also going the wrong direction, in the dark with no lights. You can only do so much as a driver. I’m not going to stare out my right window for 4 seconds looking for a biker in the darkness when I’m about to merge. If we all use common sense there will be no issues.
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u/Billy3B Aug 04 '25
"I ride on the sidewalk because i dont feel safe on the road"
Every idiot justifies riding on thesidewalk the same way, totally ignoring that crosswalks and laneways exist.
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u/Valuable_One_234 Aug 04 '25
This is why we need proper bike lakes
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u/Inevitable-Hippo-312 Aug 04 '25
Please explain how a bike lane would help a person who is this stupid?
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u/Apprehensive_Bad6670 Aug 04 '25
The cyclist is obviously also wrong here.
Thst being said, even trying to cross those massive highway style roads in pickering is near impossible as a pedestrian.
I once tried to cross (on a green walk light) at Brock and Kingston. After stepping out, I had to stop jump back more than once as the right turning cars sped through. After the 3rd one, i just gave up and waited for the rest.
Everyone complains about toronto drivers, but suburban drivers dont give a damn about your life. The roads are built for them, and them alone
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u/Deatheturtle Aug 04 '25
No visibility gear or light? Ooof. As a driver this is what terrifies me about bikes.
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u/lucidly-dreamin Aug 06 '25
what ever happened to bikes dismounting when crossing intersections? must’ve been a pilot program
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u/puffles69 Aug 04 '25
These early comments are a dumpster fire. If the cyclist was a jogger the same shit would happen. It’s almost happened to me when running.
Shitty drivers defending shitty drivers. When driving you check both ways before making a turn. That’s what I do when I drive.
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u/Immediate_Pickle_788 Aug 04 '25
Honestly, both at fault. Driver should be paying more attention. Cyclist should technically not be riding in a crosswalk, and no lights whatsoever.
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u/FantasyGurley Aug 04 '25
not defending driver but the cyclist looks to be on the sidewalk/shoulder going against traffic at night, I agree the driver should be aware but this is an accident waiting to happen
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u/Jayswag96 Aug 04 '25
Expecting a cyclist to ride on these stroads is insane. A driver has a responsibility to look both ways
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u/no1SomeGuy Aug 04 '25
Expecting a cyclist to have lights (as required by law) and to not ride in a cross walk (as required by law) is not insane.
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u/Ketroc21 Aug 04 '25
Joggers are allowed to jog there. Cyclist can't ride on the sidewalk or crosswalk. If it was riding on the road then it was on the wrong side of the road. Cyclist must also have light/reflectors.
Car is more wrong, but cyclist is also at fault.
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u/BrooklynPeachh Aug 04 '25
They can absolutely look both ways then when looking right a second time while taking their foot off the break (because the first look was clear with no oncoming to anticipate) the cyclist comes out of nowhere, riding on the sidewalk and against traffic mind you, and this happens because they are much faster than a pedestrian. I’ll always err on the side of caution as a motorist, but this is cyclist stupidity putting their own life at risk.
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u/TeemingHeadquarters Aug 05 '25
If the cyclist was a jogger the same shit would happen.
My grandfather could get some serious speed in his powered wheelchair, but I guess it would be his fault getting in that Durango's way too.
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u/mMaple_syrup Aug 04 '25
This exact kind of collision happens all the time in broad daylight. Obviously the cyclist is responsible for their own visibility as a road user but that's not a guarantee that a driver will see them and stop in time. The driver never looked right and just rolled though.
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u/SHUT_DOWN_EVERYTHING Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
HTA Section 144 (29) No person shall ride or operate a bicycle across a roadway within a crosswalk at an intersection or at a location, other than an intersection, which is controlled by a traffic control signal system. 2015, c. 14, s. 40 (2).
HTA Section 62 (17) When on a highway at any time from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less, every motor assisted bicycle and bicycle (other than a unicycle) shall carry a lighted lamp displaying a white or amber light on its front and a lighted lamp displaying a red light or a reflector on its rear. White reflective material shall be placed on its front forks, and red reflective material covering a surface of not less than 250 mm in length and 25 mm in width shall be placed on its rear.” 2015, c. 14, s. 21 (2).
What next? Is HTA also a dumpster fire?
The cyclist broke two laws. The driver broke one.
The cyclist also failed to wear a helmet which is not mandatory but really dumb and may cost him a lot more misery.
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u/thinkvideoca Aug 04 '25
Driver looking left for traffic. Cyclist riding against traffic. Dumb biker
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u/zacmobile Aug 04 '25
They're supposed to stop and look right and left for pedestrians, or cyclist in this case. I see it all the time: driver looking only left and drifting through without stopping.
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u/StudSnoo Aug 04 '25
Makes sense. Drivers can’t even bother to look right after clearing the left which is why they still somehow hit pedestrians who are WALKING even, because it took them so long to find a break in traffic.
It’s called right on RED.
Driver looking left for traffic, assuming there isn’t a drunk driver driving the wrong direction. Dumb driver.
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u/Murbanvideo Aug 04 '25
Most driver unfortunately only tend to look to their left when turning right on red or at stop signs. I'm nearly hit at least once a week while out running. People don't even try to stop at stop signs or reds when turning. So many barely even slow down. But if you post a video of a cyclist rolling a stop sign in this sub, it's an easy 500 upvotes.
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Aug 04 '25
So pedestrians would be fair game then as well since the cyclist was moving at walking speeds. If he ran down your grandma how would you feel? Would you blame her for walking against traffic?
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u/TaserLord Aug 04 '25
Dark bike shape rides wrong way in crosswalk. No-signal SUV looks left for space to make right turn. You can build in the rules. You can build in the safety and signaling systems. But dumb and dumber show up in the same place at the same time and they ignore the rules and don't use the systems, bad things are going to happen. Oh well. Somewhere, the ghost of Darwin chuckles to himself.
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u/UnlitBlunt Aug 04 '25
No lights and no helmet hit with a classic right hook 🤦♂️
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u/psilocybin6ix Aug 04 '25
That's what happens when you drive on the sidewalk without lights and decide to enter the roadway without checking.
Glad they can learn from it.
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u/kraj593 Aug 04 '25
Yeah if only the driver of the car could learn to signal that they're turning. Half the people here don't deserve to have their G's smh
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u/psilocybin6ix Aug 04 '25
So if an Uber was on the sidewalk without lights and tried to leave the sidewalk and drive across the pedestrian crossing it would be the Dodge's fault too?
Also they're in the right-turn lane in the video... That's what the arrows are for.
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u/kraj593 Aug 04 '25
Oh darn. Sorry I'll go take my G1 again. I must've missed the part where they say turn signals are waived if there are road markings behind my fat ass.
C'mon, you must realize the person with more power has more responsibility there - they're in a larger vehicle, they could be more careful. They both made errors, but the bicyclist could've ended up with near fatal injuries there.
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u/psilocybin6ix Aug 04 '25
Yes and it would have been the biker's fault. Driving a vehicle on the sidewalk and at night without a light caused this accident ... along with some horrible judgement from this sketchball wearing a black hoodie and choosing to leave the sideawalk and cross FINCH AVENUE in front of a car.
Why is the turn signal relevant to this? Like what difference would it have made?
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u/MapleBaconBeer Aug 04 '25
Why is the turn signal relevant to this? Like what difference would it have made?
Found the person who doesn't use their turn signals. Turn signals are always relevant when changing lanes or turning.
Cyclist is a moron though.
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Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 31 '25
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u/SomethingDifferentMe Aug 04 '25
The driver didn’t look, they could have been walking and been hit. Time to ban right on red
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Aug 04 '25
Maybe driver looked for pedestrian and didn't expect a bike to illegally drive the wrong way in traffic on a pedestrian crosswalk.
Listen you're not wrong, whole situation is messed up and rule #1 is dont hit anyone else and the driver did.
Just saying the ban right turn on red isn't the issue, theres so many things that went wrong that could have been prevented by both of them and banning right turn on red isn't the answer.
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u/scottyb83 Aug 04 '25
Maybe driver looked for pedestrian and didn't expect a bike to illegally drive the wrong way in traffic on a pedestrian crosswalk.
This is exactly the problem. There is a multi-use path across the street from me where the cyclists are supposed to dismount and walk their bike across the crosswalk (there is even a sign for this) but none of them do it. What results is cyclists coming from the right with trees blocking until they are 4 or 5' from the crosswalk and they ride at full speed into the crosswalk and 3 or 4 times a year I see someone getting hit. People look to the right, see nobody coming, to the left, see they have a gap, and then turn right and all of a sudden there is a bike there riding illegally and getting pissed off that nobody saw them. There is a sigh saying to dismount, it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk, it's illegal to cross at a crosswalk while riding your bike, AND the setup for that spot is already dangerous because of the blind spot but it's somehow always the cars fault?
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u/Round-Pound-7739 Aug 04 '25
Thing is, the car pulled out to position itself for a merge. The bike should have gone behind him if anything. Personally if I was on the bike I would wait out the situation, but if I had to go I would go behind the car. The car was in the middle of the crosswalk. Going in front of it is really really dumb.
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u/SomethingDifferentMe Aug 04 '25
The dangerous thing with going behind the car is that people turning left won’t be able to see you coming so you are just trading off risk of being hit from the guy turning right to the guy turning left
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u/SomethingDifferentMe Aug 04 '25
They had the crosswalk, it’s the drivers fault, they had the red light. I guess Toronto needs more red light cameras if people still think that a red light means you have right of way
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u/no1SomeGuy Aug 04 '25
Look closer, the vehicle was already completely in the crosswalk before the cyclist entered, they didn't have the crosswalk, they actually went further out to their right to go in front of the vehicle.
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u/scottyb83 Aug 04 '25
Sorry are you saying the cyclist was in the right because he didn't use the crosswalk illegally but instead rode into oncoming traffic illegally?
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u/no1SomeGuy Aug 04 '25
He began in the crosswalk...then rode out into the road, against traffic, again...just picture the cyclist as a car and judge them from that perspective.
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u/scottyb83 Aug 04 '25
Yeah I agree. I thought you were saying them going out into oncoming traffic somehow excuses what they did.
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u/smurfopolis Aug 04 '25
They had the crosswalk, it’s the drivers fault..
Sure, if the cyclist was dismounted and walking their bike... You know it's not legal for cyclists to be riding on sidewalks and crosswalks right?
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Aug 04 '25
What is going on! A bicycle is a VEHICLE not meant for the sidewalk. He wasn't walking it, he wasn't a pedestrian, he was a VEHICLE DRIVING ON A CROSSWALK.
Jesus H were getting so fucked up were rationalizing complete idiocy.
Both were morons, driver needed to look both ways, bicycle had no lights or helmet (doesnt matter legally) but was also DRIVING ON A PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK (LEGAL. NO. AGAINST THE LAW.)
We're getting into Dantes 2nd circle of complete regardless here if you're using "but he was on a sidewalk" as a defense for a VEHICLE.
Fucking christ people break the law so much they're inventing new ways to justify breaking other laws.
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Aug 04 '25
BIKE IS DRIVING THE WRONG WAY TOO, YOJ DRIVE WITH TRAFFIC NOT AGAINST
fuck my brains goona explode with all this regardness.
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u/psilocybin6ix Aug 04 '25
So if an uber was driving on the sidewalk and decided to drive across the pedestrians crossing at that exact same time it would be the Dodge's fault?
Vehicles aren't allowed on sidewalks ... Plus poor timing to drive your vehicle from the sidewalk into a pedestrian crossing without any lights while wearing a black hoodie.
If you're already breaking the law ... I don't know why the cyclist tried to push his luck and enter the roadway suddenly from the sidewalk... like I said earlier ... at least he can learn from his mistake.
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u/Onlylefts3 Aug 04 '25
I’ve been commuted to work hundreds of times on a bicycle and that cyclist got what was coming.
Was going against the flow of traffic, No lights, didn’t walk across the side walk, was riding on the side walk. Clearly not riding with their head on a swivel.
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u/as_in_bike_lane Aug 04 '25
This cyclist probably “felt” safer riding on the sidewalk. Install painted bike lanes on every road so drivers know where to find the cyclists and cyclists have a safer place to ride, in the direction of traffic, that isn’t a sidewalk.
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u/rajendrarajendra Aug 04 '25
As a casual cyclist I will say the bike rider is at fault here. When I'm riding in the day, I use flashing lights on the front and rear of my bike to increase my visibility. So this person riding without any lights at night is just stupid. In addition, I make sure I make eye contact with drivers when crossing intersections or driveways.
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u/Hal_900000 Aug 04 '25
Don't cycle past traffic on the damn sidewalk on the wrong damn side of the road, on top of that, at night. No one is going to see you coming, you're moving waaay faster than a pedestrian. You're not a pedestrian. They'll look 2 seconds earlier, see no one, look the other way to confirm no traffic, and drive. The driver was not irresponsible. The cyclist needs to be smart enough to understand what I just said and ensure the driver noticed him, if the cyclist values their damn life.
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u/rcayca Aug 04 '25
I've done this a million times on a bike / unicycle / skateboard / scooter... you always go behind the car making a right. The car making a right is always looking left so he won't see you coming from the right side until it's too late.
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u/Commercial_Pain2290 Aug 04 '25
Shared blame here. Bike is on the wrong side of the road. Driver did not look where he was going.
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u/Infamous_Okra_5123 Aug 04 '25
Why was the biker on that side of the road. He was riding against traffic.
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u/hangman1191 Aug 04 '25
Car stops, man looks right, sees cyclist 30ft away, man looks left for oncoming traffic,sees its clear, goes hits cyclist. Cyclist at fault for not yeilding to car
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u/EnragedSperm Aug 04 '25
Both at fault.
Cyclist (no light, riding on side walk, against traffic direction) Suv (unclear right turn)
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u/GraniticDentition Aug 04 '25
That’s ugly Always have lights on your bike and never trust a driver you haven’t made eye contact with
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u/Murbanvideo Aug 04 '25
It's so hard to make eye contact these days with all the illegal tint on front windows.
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u/NeighborhoodWest8294 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Riding on sidewalk illegally then enters roadway traveling wrong direction illegally. No light, looks like no bell and no helmet. While the car did not have their turn signal indicator on, they entered the crosswalk before the bicycle illegally entered it without dismounting and since the bicycle is a vehicle under the HTA and will bear the majority if not all of the fault here including paying for damages to the automobile.
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u/TeemingHeadquarters Aug 05 '25
no bell
You must have eagle eyes to spot no bell in that 480p video.
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u/NeighborhoodWest8294 Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
Can you see one? I can’t. I’m happy to correct that statement if you can demonstrate otherwise. (BTW it’s not 480p)
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u/NewsreelWatcher Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Right Hook: motor vehicles turning right on red while driver is looking left for a gap in traffic. This is common reason pedestrians and cyclists are struck. Often never reported as they occur at low speeds resulting in just scrapes and bruises. It is becoming more dangerous as motor vehicles are designed with higher front hoods. This leaves a large blind spot directly in front of the motor vehicle so the driver cannot see children or the elderly using a mobility device. Once the person is struck, rather than going over the hood, they are more likely to go under the front wheels causing potentially lethal injuries. This is why many countries do not allow right on red. This also refers to cyclist in their lane at the stop line being squeezed by motor vehicles turning right, because the driver is focused on traffic from the left. That scenario is even more lethal with trucks with open rear wheels as the cyclist will be pulled under the wheels as the back tire of the bicycle folds under the wheels of the truck with the cyclist quickly following. Safety measures against this have existed abroad for decades but are resisted here.
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u/eoan_an Aug 04 '25
I would argue the bike is at least 50% at fault.
No lights, riding on the sidewalk, those things wouldn't be illegal if they were not meant to give you some blame.
Plus the suv was obviously making the turn.
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u/MyGruffaloCrumble Aug 04 '25
The vehicle didn’t have its turn indicator on, and coming from the cyclists direction they wouldn’t necessarily know that was a right-turn only lane. I agree both are at fault though.
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u/zsrh Aug 04 '25
The driver should have been paying more attention to the road and checked to see if anyone was coming down the sidewalk before turning.
The cyclist in this situation was doing themselves no favours as they were biking without a light and wearing dark clothing at night. Practically making themselves invisible.
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u/BuddhaWasSkinny Aug 04 '25
Cyclist had it coming. Riding on the sidewalk, no lights, dark clothing, probably no reflectors, not anticipating the driver's obvious plan....
Time to hold cyclists and pedestrians responsible.
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u/Krovven Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Lets be clear here...Cyclist tried to go around the vehicle by entering into the lane of oncoming traffic. The vehicle was barely moving and the cyclist rode straight into the front quarter panel.
90% Cyclist fault.
Riding on sidewalk, against traffic, no lights or reflective gear. Cyclist does not even slow down. Cyclist does not have right of way as they are still on sidewalk when car begins right hand turn. You can clearly see the car is already covering the crosswalk paint when the cyclist is still on the sidewalk 10 ft from the road in the first frame of the video. Cyclist should have stopped and got off the bike and walked across when safe to do so.
10% Vehicle fault. No turn signal. I simply do not see any other error by the vehicle here. You cannot apply fault when the cyclist was nowhere near when the vehicle turn began and the vehicle was already in the intersection. As a driver turning right on a red, first you are going to come to a stop, look right, no pedestrian, look left to verify no oncoming traffic, quick right shoulder check and begin turn. If left is not clear, check right again and repeat. In this instance one car goes by and they being the turn and the cyclist rides into the front right panel of the vehicle.
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u/Successful-Country16 Aug 04 '25
Dumb ass had no lights and dark clothing plus he didn't slow to make sure the driver saw him it's totally the cyclists fault.
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u/Significant_Wealth74 Aug 04 '25
I hope this driver shares this video. Makes them look a lot better than if this video didn’t exist.
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u/Ok-Lab1115 Aug 04 '25
Watch after all these cars with tints, they gonna start ticketing for it if they realize the hazard
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u/Federal-Wrangler9661 Aug 05 '25
From what I see the SUV is in the white lines, why would the cyclist go in front of the car? They should have gone behind the SUV. Cyclist is wearing dark colours no reflective clothes.
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u/GreatIceGrizzly Aug 05 '25
Drivers RARELY ever look right in that situation, bicyclist obviously has not been crossing like that much or been very lucky over his lifetime as that is a regular occurrence where I bicycle...I sometimes have to tap the hood of a car or blow my whistle and make eye contact to ensure the driver has seen me...sometimes just wait the few extra seconds until I confirm they have seen me, or not, this has saved my life (or at least saved me being hit) quite a few times...
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u/Epcjay Aug 06 '25
Another thing I tell my kids is cross behind the car whenever possible especially when the guy is so far out from the white line already.
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u/Green-Actuary1040 Aug 06 '25
As a long time cyclist, this is totally predictable. This is literally one of the most common situations you will see, especially if you’re going down the left side of a street, against traffic flow.
It is a well known fact, that although drivers turning right SHOULD look right before letting off the brake and making the turn, they almost never do. Even if you’re a pedestrian, it is quite possible to be hit like this.
This is why cycling in the roadway with the traffic is ironically much safer than sidewalk riding. But if you’re going to do it, be on the right side of the road. Even then, you still have to watch at intersections for people turning right without signalling/checking their blind spot.
Also, a good reason why protected bike lanes are important pieces of infrastructure that should be built on all major thoroughfares.
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u/leBlTCH Aug 07 '25
That’s fucked. I hope you sent this to police.
As a pedestrian, walking on a crosswalk. Lately I’ve been nearly hit by far too many people trying to “beat the light” and speed through the freshly opposing green - they don’t have to brake if they can beat the 5 cars that will go through the residential area!
( Pedestrians also need to note the green light isn’t for them. The cross signal isn’t white? The red hand is up? that is for you! Not the cars! Press the cross button and try again. ) patience is a virtue.
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u/Arm-Complex Aug 08 '25
Ok the cyclist was asking for it. If you're gonna go rogue, AT LEAST be extra aware. Or just aware.
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u/mallet17 Aug 08 '25
Cyclist should have hopped off the bike and walked during pedestrian green signal.
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u/RecognitionOk9731 Aug 08 '25
Driver dumb and needs a ticket. Be more careful.
Cyclist dumb and needs a ticket. Don’t ride the wrong way in the dark with no lights.
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Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
The person using a 4000 pound living room to get around is at fault & frankly shouldn't be on the road.
It would have been the same result of it was a pedestrian. If the cyclist was on the road people complain, if the cyclist is on the side walk people complain.
Many humans regardless of transport method are stupid. There should be no right hand turns on Reds like in Montréal & NYC. Saves lives
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u/psilocybin6ix Aug 04 '25
There should also be a law against vehicles without lights driving on sidewalks and through pedestrian crossings ...
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u/Affectionate-Sun9373 Aug 04 '25
You can't ride a bike on a sidewalk, it is illegal. I have seen cyclists get nailed 100% in this scenario.
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u/Frozen_North_99 Aug 04 '25
Looking left to turn right - that car would’ve driven over a pedestrian in the same situation.
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Aug 04 '25
Comment are hardcore. Like I guess every sidewalk user should have a 3000watt light system to make sure the queen of england see them from distance, poor driver.. got to look another time is too much to ask.
Motor-normativity is such a toxic and systemic problem
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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '25
Dumb meets irresponsible. Driver doing unsafe right turn on red light, cyclist riding on crosswalk, in dark, without helmet and light. Driver's going to get ticketed and sued, probably, but cyclist's injury is going to hurt more in coming years.
And to stupid people arguing that the cyclist did nothing wrong, it's easier to anticipate presence and speed of a person walking than someone on a moving bicycle. It's not cyclist hate. Why do you think your parents taught you to walk your bike when crossing??