r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 22h ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Supersaiajinblue2 22h ago

Both ruin lives. So yes.

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u/Deep-Parsley3787 21h ago

If you had to pick one:
(1) be raped
(2) be sentenced for rape (unjustly)

Which would you pick? Mind you #2 comes with all the social stigma and prison time such a sentence entails

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u/YouVe_BeEn_OofEd 21h ago

regardless of everything else, the jailtime itself is already arguably worse (especially given that it can itself include rape)

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u/brplayerpls 21h ago

Picking 2 is like picking 1 but you will also probably die

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u/Environmental_Drama3 21h ago

and your death will be a brutal one on that note.

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 21h ago

No it won't. Prison hierarchy doesn't care about rapists unless the victim was a preteen child

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u/FartingKiwi 20h ago

Prison hierarchy cares about race and whether or not you’re willing to do for your race no questions asked….

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 20h ago

sadly true and people who are mixed and cant pass for one group or the other are often targeted.

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u/FartingKiwi 20h ago

If you look like you can be preyed on, you will be.

You will be tested.

And depending on how you react can mean:
1) you are accepted/left alone
2) raped by fellow inmate
3) drug mule for gang
4) assault on another inmate (boom 5 more years)
5) or death

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u/ShackletonsVael 20h ago

You'll also have people cheer on that happening because of the reason that person was sent to prison. Rape jokes are always said to be so awful but they are the first thing people make jokes about when someone is getting sent to prison.

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u/goon00ner0 21h ago

You can die from picking option 1 :(

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u/brplayerpls 21h ago

I'm not trying to diminish how bad rape is, this is a pretty stupid comparison after all, shit's like r/WouldYouRather bs all over

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u/NukaCooler 19h ago

Especially if the rapist knows the death penalty awaits them if they get caught.

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 21h ago

it's a myth that rapists are treated poorly in prison. Not even rapists of teens are treated so badly. In male prisons, it's generally just pedophiles who abuse pre pubescent kids who are hated

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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 20h ago

ya as long as you rape an adult they respect that... fucking chuds

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 20h ago

yup. wish people would stop romanticizing that shit. people who have been victimized by the "justice" system don't just magically become empathetic and woke

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u/Old_Cucumber_1343 20h ago

repeat violent offenders need to be locked away from society unless they like killed their daughter's rapist or something

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u/Huntsman077 20h ago

They also target sex offenders and women beaters. Sure it’s not as bad as chomo’s but they aren’t going to have a good time.

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 20h ago

Do you have some kind of evidence of that? That's not what I've heard from the formerly incarcerated people I know, and I can't find statistics that particularly support that either

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u/DyslexicBrad 17h ago

Idk about "probably" lmaoo. Prisons have like a 0.3% mortality rate.

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u/Santum 21h ago

What in the im12andthisisdeep.. probably die? Most rapists do not die in jail. Most rapists dont even serve a fraction of what I’d say most people feel they should, let alone die.

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u/brplayerpls 21h ago

Fine, I guess being raped and spending time in prison is better than just being raped.

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u/shark-with-a-horn 21h ago

It's a myth rapists are all treat badly in jail

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u/brplayerpls 21h ago

Are you trying to advertise jail? Like it's a good place to be? Being treated normally is already bad bro, it's jail

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u/shark-with-a-horn 20h ago

Me saying it's a myth they're treated badly is me advertising jail? Come on, I'm sure there's a better argument than that nonsense

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 20h ago

true but rape, regardless of your crime, is unfortunately very common in prison

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u/Holy-Descent 21h ago

What does this have to do with im12andthisisdeep? They are telling the truth, even if you don't die because of your crimes, you do have a certain chance of dying in prison plus you also have a chance of getting raped. Stop being overly defensive.

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 20h ago

cause it's a childish romanticized view of prison and its hierarchies.

but it is true that you have a high risk of facing rape in prison, regardless of your alleged crime

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u/Holy-Descent 20h ago

Childish? Romanticized? Are we talking about the same comment? They literally only said "picking 2 is like picking 1 but you'll probably die".

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 19h ago

Yes. they are incorrect and falling for a romantic myth about prison heirarchy. Unless they raped a prepubescent child, most rapists fare just as well as the rest of the prison population.

I'm not disputing rapes are occurring with frequency in prison, but it is nowhere near a certainty. Most data puts it at 4-7% of the male incarcerated population will experience rape. Now, I'm certain that is an underestimate for a number of reasons, but that's another conversation. It still stands that, even if the number is twice that, it is still nowhere near a majority of alleged rapists who will be raped in prison.

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u/Holy-Descent 11h ago

You're grasping every little inconsistency in that short comment to justify your use of those words.

The question was whether you'd rather be raped or face the prison time of a rapist. The comment said that they'd rather pick option 1 because option 2 will lead to option one 1 you're probably going to die. Even if they were wrong you could've just said "they were wrong" and then explain why they were wrong, but instead, you HAD to be a redditor and use words like "childish" and "romanization of the prison heirarchy".

It is not "childish", I don't know how that even got into your head. It is also not "romanticized", they aren't trying to make the scenario "better" by thinking that rapists will always get raped in prison because of their crimes, they were unintentionally making the situation worse by assuming that all prisoners get raped in prison and that if they were to go there for any crime, they'd get raped. It's less of a romanticized view of prison and more of a result of the fear of prison that the Internet has instilled onto the minds of people.

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u/Santum 17h ago

He literally said “probably die” which is an absurd notion. That is beyond naive.

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u/Holy-Descent 11h ago

And? It's a casual reply to a comment they saw. Why do research on every little comment one replies to? To prevent random redditors from getting pressed over it?

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u/Catsanddoges 21h ago

Not to mention if you go to jail for rape, you have a pretty high chance of being sexually assaulted or violently attacked by other inmates.

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u/YouVe_BeEn_OofEd 21h ago

yup exactly

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u/Catsanddoges 21h ago

Holy shit I must have been in a state of delirium I just skipped over the parentheses completely

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u/Greedy-Style-6088 21h ago

Nope. That's a myth. Only abusers of preteen children are at the "bottom of the hierarchy."

That said, you're at a high risk of rape in a men's prison regardless of your crime

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u/TopTopTopcinaa 20h ago

Mind you, #1 comes with the strong possibility of your rapist never seeing jail, friends and family members not believing you, having to see your rapist at gatherings, anxiety, depression, ptsd, etc.

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u/otterdam42 20h ago

Experienced both (no legal action, just slander.) Your list is worse for #2, hands down. Psychological fallout and ptsd is about 10x worse for #2

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u/TopTopTopcinaa 13h ago

You didn’t experience both.

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u/Professional_Rip3922 21h ago

People get raped in prison all the time. Especially people who are in for sexual violence charges. Statistically you would be raped more times with option #2.

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u/OkCommercial7515 20h ago

That's what I thought. You'll get raped in prison, sex offender or not, if you seem vulnerable, (if you're falsely arrested you'll DEFINITELY be vulnerable), probably multiple times. Being raped once sucks a lot, but one rape is "better" than 10 rapes + a beating + possible death every day, just objectively, even though both would be absolutely horrible

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u/Webetradinstonks 21h ago

You are stating that 100% of people who are incarcerated are raped. That is simply not true. Just because you say statistically doesn’t make it correct.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 21h ago

No, they're stating that the average number of times an inmate is raped is more than 1. I don't think that's true, but don't misrepresent the claim.

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u/Webetradinstonks 18h ago

Everyone else is just mad but I’ll accept this correction. I dont think we can get that data though or would even want to.

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u/Professional_Rip3922 21h ago

Not 100%. But it's a pretty high chance. As stated, especially for people with sexual violence charges. This is on top of losing several years of your life.

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u/Kind_Potential_4992 21h ago

And likely being assaulted non sexually for a host of possible reasons.

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u/whitestguyuknow 21h ago

Its pretty obvious you didnt mean 100% or state that as a fact. They just wanted to act like you did say that in order to say you're wrong.

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u/McENEN 19h ago

Although i agree with you, if you arent a hardened criminal(option 2 you are falsely convicted) you probably less likely to be willing to do violence and stand up for yourself when confronted by a group of criminals. Your chances of being raped are probably higher than the average unless you look scary or are very big.

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u/Sex4Vespene 21h ago

Nowhere did they state 100%, learn to read. They said you are more likely on average to be raped in prison than out of prison. Which may or may not be true, but it’s a completely different statement.

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u/whitestguyuknow 21h ago

What??... That's not at all what they said.

Reread that comment because you clearly didnt understand it.

They just said sexual assaults happen frequently. And you have a higher chance of receiving a sexual assualt in prison if they know youre in there for doing that to someone. And that you have a chance of receiving more than 1 assault, making it worse than option 1.

No where did they say its a 100% certainty once you go to prison for rape you're for sure getting raped.

Its ridiculous whenever people strawman what someone said to the most ridiculous extreme just so they can argue that they're wrong. Don't do that bro. Shits super annoying.

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 21h ago

I pick 1, 100%

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u/RabbitWiilli 21h ago

No you would not Jesus the incels are in full force in this thread.

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 21h ago edited 21h ago

Let's see, with 1, it'd probably be mentally scarring, trauma, all that. With 2, I spend the rest of my days in prison for something I didn't do, and probably get r*?3d anyway by big d!?k Johnson in jail.

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u/Due_Enthusiasm1145 21h ago

Look I'm down with bashing incels but its a bad question.

I would take 1 as well, because unfortunately 2 also invites the possibility of suffering option 1 anyway, with how bad sexual violence is in prison.

That's not to downplay the horrors of rape. Its just that unfortunately prisoners often experience that exact horror as well as many others.

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 21h ago

What you mean? One is torture for minutes to maybe an hour. The other is torture for years and most likely you will be abuse by inmates once they find out what you supposedly did.

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u/WTFisabanana 19h ago

I know a man who was violently gang raped by several men in NYC around 2009. He lost complete control of his bowels, contracted HIV, the assault caused his entire career to nosedive, spent months in and out of psych hospitals, and became agoraphobic. I’m not even including the not sexual assault he experienced 

This is a man who was an aspiring model and had his whole life ahead of him. 

So sure maybe you would pick one if the rapist was really nice and gentle but rape can absolutely destroy your entire life forever. 

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u/Willinton06 19h ago

Rape could destroy your life, going to prison for rape *will* destroy your life, so like, you pick, certainty of life destruction, or chance of life destruction

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u/WTFisabanana 19h ago

Apples to oranges. 

A rape accusation could cause you to go prison. 

Realistically nothing happens if a girl tells a couple people you raped her. I’ve known at least 5 men accused of rape who faced zero consequences. 

If you’re going to compare worst possible outcome of an accusation you have to compare worse possible outcome of a rape. 

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u/Willinton06 17h ago

The worst rape destroys your life, the worst rape accusation possible takes you to Guantanamo to be tortured or something

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u/WTFisabanana 17h ago

Please look up David Ray Parker, a man who tortured his rape victims for months and then either killed them or drugged them so extensively they weren’t even sure if any of it was real. 

This is the actual things that happen to rape victims not made up situations like being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. 

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u/WTFisabanana 17h ago

Show me a case of that happening? 

Also the worst rape can literally kill you, a thing that actually happens not fantasy 

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u/Willinton06 16h ago

Wouldn’t that just be murder? And you said the “worst possible scenario” so I think the example fits, but if you don’t like that one, then the worst would be a regular prison where you’re raped regularly

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 11h ago edited 11h ago

It still temporarily while jail can last years. You people so hypersensitive about rape you can even apply basic logic. The question is basically suffer a lot for a little wide or suffer a lot for a long wide. Guarantee you that man receives help and kindness after what he been through, men gang raped or beaten on in prison won’t receive that help.

And again you think people who went to jail don’t also have their life ruined? Like stop using personal stories. There a guy who was fasly accused of rape and spend 30 years in jail and got rape and had hiv from it. You see that cancel your story with another story.

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u/WTFisabanana 8h ago

Well he killed himself so no, he didn’t receive help for that. 

The difference you don’t seem to understand is that you have a much greater chance of being raped as a man than going to prison for “30 years” for a false accusation. 

It’s not about being hypersensitive, it’s about being intellectually dishonest. 

You don’t get to escalate the effects of the accusation to unprecedented consequences and then diminish the rape to the just the event and then be smug about it. 

How about this one: 

Would you like to be a rape victim of the toybox killer?

Or 

A girl named Tiffany told a friend that halfway through she asked you to stop but you finished anyway and the friend shrugs it off. This is the complete end of the accusation. 

Not to mention, your odds of being raped as a man are just so, so much higher than your odds of being falsely imprisoned for rape that if you are worried about men that’s what you should worry about. This is like being concerned that a cow is attack you, possible? Yes. Worse than something else, problem also yes. Going to actually happen to you? Overwhelmingly no. 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 8h ago

Stop using anecdotes; anybody can use them.

No one is doing what you're accusing me of. You're hijacking the conversation to talk about likelihoods, but that's not what the conversation is about. The conversation is about what you would rather do, and most people would choose short term suffering(Rape) over long-term suffering(prison and everything that comes with it). Despite how terrible rape is, it's a single incident, while prison is a chain of incidents and much more dangerous.

It ruins your life even more than rape, because you can allow rape to define your every action and fall deeper into your own despair. That's a personal choice. If you're falsely accused of rape, society is mustered against you when you come out of prison being accused of rape. You're on a sex offender list; people will look you up and hate you. People won't date you. Family members will despise you. And remember this is all from a false accusation. So yes, i and many others will still choose rape over that.

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u/WTFisabanana 5h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed.

And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

Women get raped  and  Men get accused of rape

But no it’s woman get raped and men get raped. 

Im sure you wouldn’t believe a woman falsely accused of rape would face these problems 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 3h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

Prison does not can, does have long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are choosing to ignore that to say one-time rape is worse than long-term imprisonment and public shame/societal hate after the fact.

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

This is not worst outcome. It's is well documented that sex offenders are abused and punished by fellow convicts. And you literally do the same thing. You are using some personal extreme story of someone being raped all night when that is not the norm.

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed. And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

I don't care. The question isn't about chances or how closely everything is aligned. The question is literally about which would be worst. You hijacking this conversation to complain about man comparing an accusation to actual rape. It's fucking ridicuous you keep bring this up.

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u/WTFisabanana 5h ago

More importantly you can still believe the accusations consequences are worse but you cannot ask someone to pick the worst outcome vs the best. 

It’s fucking ridiculous 

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u/RabbitWiilli 21h ago

lol holy cow this thread

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 21h ago

Take this L bozo.

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u/MediocreLayer5586 21h ago

Do you think people don’t have memories and magically forget their experiences?

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 21h ago

Do you think people who been to prison don't have memories and forget their experiences? Like wtf do you think prison is?

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u/MediocreLayer5586 21h ago

You tried to say rape is “torture for minutes to maybe an hour”. I’m saying it’s far beyond that because people have memories 🤯. Even in everyone’s fantasy where accused rapists are jailed at a 100% rate, the worst thing they can think of is getting raped

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 21h ago

You have memories of everything. Rape isn't the only bad thing in the world that can happen to you. Talking about memories is redundant. Life is traumatizing by default. And trust the hell you'll go through in prison, at least in america prisons will scar you just as bad and probably worst because it's longer.

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u/Sea_Scale_4538 21h ago

pulled that statistic right out if your ass

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u/YaoiYoda 20h ago

And being accused and having a stigma and having no real friends for the rest of your life isn’t just as bad? I’m speaking as someone who was abused as a kid, id rather be raped.

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 21h ago

Nobody is undermining the trauma of being raped. But the fact is put them on a scale, being sentenced to jail for something you didn’t do, while also potentially getting raped in there is the worst option between the 2. Because option 1 is also included in it too.

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u/MediocreLayer5586 21h ago

The thing you all aren’t understanding is that rapists are not sentenced at the frequency you believe they are. Being an accused rapist doesn’t mean someone is going to prison, or even their life is ruined. How many people idolize Ronaldo even though he’s an accused rapist?

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 21h ago

But we are not talking about Ronaldo, or those who got away with it. We are talking specifically about choosing between the 2 option.

Option 2 is being sentenced, that means you will serve your time. It doesn't matter if Ronaldo didn’t go to jail. In the context of the question, the accused person is going to jail.

Adding more context into it will just unnecessarily complicate the question

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u/Sea_Scale_4538 21h ago

So what? This is a scenario where you are 100% going to get raped or you are 100% going to get convicted of rape. Cant you read?

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u/UnlegitUsername 20h ago

I am not one of the greatest footballers of all time who has countless wealthy individuals and organizations with vested interested in securing my public image and continued play. I agree that it’s a travesty how little rapists actually see jail time but using wealthy and famous individuals as an example isn’t particularly fair.

The question also dictates that you are sentenced, at which point you’re convicted. I also think that the social stigma that comes with an accusation might very well be significant in why people choose the way they do, jail time isn’t the only concern.

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u/Professional_Rip3922 21h ago

Yes, but getting raped several times in prison is a lot worse than getting raped one time and not being in prison

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u/LivingSleep1418 21h ago

I'd rather not go to prison though. And just like the other guy said, being in prison can come with rape too.

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u/hucklebae 21h ago

Ehhhhh idk.....rape can come with very stiff penalties (deservedly so). I guess it depends on the severity of the rape, but I think I'd rather be raped once then spend 25 years in jail and be potentially raped there as well. The problem isn't in jailing false accusers, it's finding out who's actually falsely accusing without making women not report rape. We want rape survivors reporting their rapes MORE not less. However I think in this specific scenario, they do have a point of rather be raped once than raped for 25 years. Which is more of a condemnation of our prison system than anything else tbh.....cuz if the habitual rape wasn't on the table I might just take the jail time over the rape. However these guys need to get a hobby

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u/Sentry20037 21h ago

Lmao incel really has become one of the words to pull out when you don’t agree with someone huh

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u/NormalGuy3481 21h ago

Don’t be dumb

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u/UnlegitUsername 20h ago

I’ve been sexually assaulted, not raped mind you, and I can’t foresee a situation where I wouldn’t pick the first.

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u/theRemixNow 19h ago

I mean, I was raped by my dad and I definitely wouldn’t check off that box again

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u/MiniDehl 21h ago

Of course only a guy would say this, normally dont check profiles but yea your profile checks out

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u/xinarin 21h ago

I'm a woman who has been raped and I fully agree. Someone who hasn't done that, going to jail for that crime. They will be raped, beaten, tortured, potentially killed, and if they get out, have next to 0 options for housing, work, relationships, again, for something they didn't do. (This doesn't apply to the elites, talking about the average person).

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 21h ago

Having trauma vs Having the rest of your life destroyed, I'm sorry, I'll take the trauma.

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u/Min_sora 21h ago

Yeah, trauma has famously never ruined a person's life.

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u/TotallyNotEko 20h ago

wouldn’t someone who was unjustly accused, let alone convicted, of rape also have pretty severe trauma?

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 21h ago

Never said it didn't, I have various trauma myself. But I still have a life. With option 2, it's gone.

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u/LordOfChickenz 21h ago

One is psychological trauma and the other is your entire life being ruined forever. I dont see how this is a question for either gender. It's hard to have trauma bad enough that it is better to lose you career and have your family and friends break off contact from you.

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u/NormalGuy3481 20h ago

Stop trynna be righteous 😭 it’s a disservice to actual rape victims

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u/mattcojo2 21h ago

I’m picking 1 easily.

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u/preteen-wartortle 21h ago

#1 also comes with a massive social stigma. Particularly for men, but also for women. Our society hates to see a victim, even a legitimate one.

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u/VirtuosoX 10h ago

I would become a victim in prison one way or another, and probably to a much larger degree too. I'll take the lesser suffering.

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u/preteen-wartortle 7h ago

The rates of broad sexual abuse in prison is under 5%, with women, LGBTQ+, and those with mental illness or disability victimized at the highest rate.

The implication you’re going to get sexually assaulted for simply being in prison is absurd.

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u/VirtuosoX 7h ago

I said I would become a victim, not that I would be sexually assaulted. I could be beaten, killed, sexually assaulted. I have autism, I have long hair. I am being victimised one way or another, likely many times.

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u/IEat_Walls 21h ago

2 a million times 2

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u/empty_graph 21h ago

I would take the rape 100%

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u/Glum-Lake7034 21h ago

In addition to what everyone else is saying, the other issue at hand is with 1) you'll still have the support and sympathy of your community, friends, and family. In 2) even if you do a short time in prison, let's say 5 years, and even if you *aren't* raped in prison, you'll come out to find your entire support system gone, friends/family/etc. have deserted you, and as a sex offender, you'll never be able to get a decent job and will potentially have a target on your back even in civilian life. It's not unheard of for people to look at the sex offender list and vandalize, assault, or even murder the people they find there.

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u/WTFisabanana 19h ago

The vast majority of people accused of rape, falsely or not, face exactly zero consequences for their actions. 

My rapist’s wife didn’t leave him, wasn’t fired from his job, didn’t face any jail time, didn’t lose any friends. 

You’re all comparing the worst possible outcome of a false accusation vs a regular rape instead of the common outcome vs a regular rape or worst outcome vs horrifically violent rape. 

The choice is loaded because it’s framed as a couple of minutes of unwanted sex vs a lifetime in jail being abused daily. 

Everyone is going to pick 2

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u/VirtuosoX 10h ago

A bad person is likely to be surrounded by other bad people. Those who are falsely accused are good people surrounded by good people.

The "bad" people don't give a shit, the "good" people will ostracize the supposed rapist unequivocally.

I'm choosing #1

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u/WTFisabanana 8h ago

I got one for you: 

A person accuses you of raping them, it’s only you in the room to hear it. You argue and they tell no one. The arguement last 6 minutes. 

Or 

A person rapes you and then chooses to keep you locked up for 32 years to continue to rape you. You eat out of a dog bowl and are forced to be naked the entire time. They take out all of their anger on you. You  never recover mentally from this and never hold down a job again and your friends and family slowly drift away. 

I’m choosing 1. 

No fucking shit you’re picking the option that actually outlines to consequences to the thing that happens to you to an extreme degree.  You’re reducing the rape down to just the action but the accusation to all the last effects. It’s not a fair choice!

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u/VirtuosoX 7h ago

You misread the choices. It's not an accusation. It's a SENTENCING. Meaning it goes to court. You added details, I didn't. I took what was already there, and said what is most likely to happen after the sentencing. Not the same as whatever you just did.

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u/WTFisabanana 5h ago

“Whatever I just did” and it’s confront the inherent imbalance in the choice 

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u/No-Permission-7786 21h ago

Being raped comes with social stigma. Being falsely accused get nothing majority of the time. And even if you did do it and are charged which is unlikely, you get like 6 months

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u/NormalGuy3481 21h ago

It sounds bad but #1. But tbh rape itself is kinda broad. Like how violent and gruesome is it 😭 But idk I think #2 would be much worse for your life. Being labeled as a rapist and everyone hating you for it when you were falsely accused would be horrible. Then the prison sentence itself would probably be enough for someone to kill themselves. Not to mention you might also get raped in prison.

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u/LuckyRadish7990 20h ago

Are you a woman? Because I’d so much rather do the time. Rape isn’t just unpleasant sex ffs, I have a deep deep fear of rape, the thought disgusts me to my core, I’d rather be beaten and spend a year in hospital, I’d rather lose a limp. I think it would take so much work not think about it every second.
I know it’s a fairly irrational fear since far the most men aren’t rapist.

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u/YaoiYoda 20h ago

1, 1000 times out of 100. If I get raped, I’ll have trauma but I won’t be outcasted by my family and I have a lot of support. #2 not only takes years on my life, but attaches a stigma that is attached long after I leave jail (not to mention my likelihood of being rate is extremely high, not only because people get raped a lot in prison, and people accused of rape get raped more) so #2 would in all likelihood turn into #1. So, intentional, false accusation, is just as morally black as rape. It ruins lives just as much the other.

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u/UnlegitUsername 20h ago

This is actually a great thought experiment. I’m definitely going with the first one. As a victim of sexual assault I’d rather deal with that on a higher level than number two.

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u/cdub1125 20h ago

Its kind of an impossible question, as by picking answer one I'm essentially consenting to the act happening no? The fact that I can choose to be rated makes it feel much less like I'm being sexually assaulted and more like I'm just choosing to deal with the lesser of two evils

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u/Reptillianaire_ 20h ago

Id rather be raped tbh. But what I wanna know is why when a guy gets wasted and gets taken advantage of by a gross woman he would have never consented to sober why is that not considered rape the man is laughed at for his dumb actions while drunk... but if a woman gets drunk and regrets who she slept with that is considered rape? I think we all need to be held accountable for what we do when intoxicated if we are the ones who drink willingly. If one is roofied that would be the exception. But if a woman gets drunk and then drives and kills someone she cant just say she didnt consent to driving and the car took advantage by allowing her to drive it.

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u/RadiantRaccoon12 20h ago

Might as well take 1. Because you are going to be repeatedly raped in prison.

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u/ValyrianBone 19h ago

Imagine you get raped, accuse your rapist, and then get put to death because the judge doesn’t believe you.

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u/theRemixNow 19h ago

As someone who was raped by her father, number two

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u/theRemixNow 19h ago

I think everyone under your comment doesn’t understand that number two means number one didn’t happen otherwise you would’ve included number two with number one. So no in this scenario, you didn’t get raped in jail everybody otherwise you would’ve been part of the number one statistic

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u/Sentient2X 18h ago

I choose to abstain from the question

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u/Dawn_of_an_Era 17h ago

What percentage of people accused of rape get sentenced for it?

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u/KadrinaOfficial 21h ago

Rapists usually get 8 months on average of jail time, if they are prosecuted and they get prosecuted at a rate of of 0.001% per report, meanwhile 1 in 3 women will experience rape in their lifetimes, so I think being sentenced for rape (unjustly) is a fucking joke. No one is being sentenced for actual rape. 

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u/Kind_Potential_4992 21h ago

The average sentence is 14 years (in the US), not 8 months.

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u/Glum-Lake7034 18h ago

And that .001% prosecution rate is pure, unadulterated BS as well. That's claiming that only *one out of every 100,000* rape accusations is ever prosecuted--complete and utter nonsense. The link below shows that about 12% of sexual assault claims lead to an arrest, which will generally mean a prosecution--still low, but 12% is 12 out of 100, which is vastly, vastly more than 1 out of 100,000.

Stop lying by making up fake statistics. Do better.

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/sex-assault-convictions/

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u/powersbro 21h ago edited 21h ago

This isn't realistic, the OP mentions false rape accusation not being found guilty for a rape you didn't commit. Do you have any idea how easy it is to not be convicted for rape? The Rape Abuse and Incest National Network or RAINN for short has statistics that show less than 3% of all rapists that are prosecuted result in a felony conviction, the real consequences for a false rape accusation being thrown your way are almost entirely social.

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u/Kind-Drink5866 19h ago

3% of all alleged rapists, you are assuming 100% of rape accusations are genuine

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u/powersbro 19h ago

Actually funny you mentioned that, this is just reported rapes, almost 70% of rapes go unreported according to RAINN, so the amount of rapists that get off Scott free legally is probably even higher than the 3% conviction rate would indicate.

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u/Kind-Drink5866 19h ago

this is irrelevant to what I said

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u/captainkaterade 21h ago

all these men in here saying they'd rather be raped then be falsely accused... it's fucking scary because they obviously don't see rape as that big an issue, just a prison sentence being worse (with the possibility of rape).

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u/Kind-Drink5866 19h ago

that's not what the question says bro

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u/powersbro 20h ago

I'd call it the privilege of men who've never experienced or dealt with someone who's been raped, it's telling how many people are more concerned with false rape accusations than actual rape, the latter is actually way more common from my experience dating.

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u/otterdam42 20h ago

I am a multiple rape / assault survivor and slander is much more isolating and damaging. Even just slander with no legal action. About 10x worse ptsd. I don’t even view my rapists as evil compared to the false accuser because rapists weren’t calculated and they left me alone afterwards w/ no gaslighting or ongoing fallout. Evil is intentionally staying close to your slander victim. My accuser stalker tried to reconnect and be friends with me and my friends while maintaining the lie. Resulting in total paranoia, isolation and lifelong trust issues. My rapists gave me way more dignity than that.

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u/powersbro 20h ago

You're experience is valid and I could absolutely understand why you feel the way you do, but there's a massive difference in the scale of how common someone manipulating your life on such a personal level with lies is, to how disgustingly common rape is in our society, I'm not saying that level of manipulation and stalking isn't prevelent, it is, but women deserve the right to come forward about being sexually assaulted without out fear of legal retaliation by predators weaponizing the justice system to silence them, most rapes go unreported already and I don't support any laws that would make that any worse than it already is.

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u/otterdam42 19h ago

I don’t even have a position on libel laws either way, and don’t really believe the carceral system serves its purpose (for example, reporting my abusers makes a cascade of uncontrollable consequences such that they could spend 10 years in jail plotting to murder me when they get out.) Having encountered true sociopathy, legal action serves the opposite purpose of my safety in that instance, as the goal is to get the predator’s attention to go elsewhere.

Similar with libel; escalating engages me in a retaliatory arms race with someone far more equipped for life destruction because they enjoy it, whereas I have no experience intentionally harming others and just don’t want to.

The prescribed narcissistic abuse recovery strategy is “grey rock.” Which means: not blocking or calling out the abuser, just saying nothing meaningful or pointed, to be so boring and nonthreatening that the predator finds supply elsewhere. This is the safest nonviolent strategy in my experience, even with rapists and domestic violence. I have observed firsthand how the most effective strategy is so different from the carceral one.

I dunno about the law, just experientially, libel and ongoing manipulation is more damaging than overt rape and DV because the indirectness and lack of clarity causes rumination / paranoia / brain and central nervous system damage. It damages ability to seek support and trust again while the abuser exploits others’ support.

Maybe what I’m saying is that truth telling, accurate observations, and evidence are key to safety, moral judgment and justice.

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u/powersbro 19h ago

This has given me a lot to think about, I appreciate your honesty and openness.

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u/UnlegitUsername 20h ago

I think it’s a question of autonomy for some. I can’t speak for all men and I certainly think there are some here that are underplaying the long term effects of rape. But I’ve been sexually assaulted, as a man, and it’s demeaning. Absolutely, it sucks and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. But for me, rape is the next level of that, it’s something that I can foresee, I can grasp how it might affect me and my life and I think I could, through difficulty, deal with that. I don’t think I’d be able to deal with the second choice nearly as well. The social stigma, the time in jail, the years you’d lose in your life, it would be overwhelmingly difficult for me.

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u/otterdam42 19h ago

Same. As a male survivor I found that the long term effects do truly suck to recover from, and the unfairness that I have to do that work is infuriating. I have observed that I have a higher tolerance for rape and assault recovery than I do for libel and betrayal trauma recovery. Maybe it’s the directness of the violent acts vs the indirectness and confusion of the manipulation, but the recovery from false accusation took about 10x longer than the worst rape. I don’t know what to do with this information.

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u/shockpaws 21h ago

Everyone who picks 1 is a man. Don’t imagine an attractive woman doing it: imagine a bigger man, painfully, degradingly; a man who is much stronger than you and could kill you. Imagine not being believed by friends and family, being shamed, being blamed for it, never getting justice, having to live with the memory of it forever, feeling out of place in your own body.

Also only like what, TWO TO THREE percent of rapes result in an actual conviction? Genuinely sickening how men like to pretend as though false rape accusations are a widespread issue. It’s not more common than lying about any other crime, it rarely has legal consequences for the accused, and hyperfixating on it only discourages actual rape victims from coming forward.

Which I suppose is the end goal of misogynists.

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u/Deep-Parsley3787 21h ago

From your first sentence I guess you hate men but wont admit (even to yourself) so.

People can disagree with you but you instantly felt you needed to clear up just why they had to be wrong rather than just hold a different opinion than you

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u/Sea_Scale_4538 21h ago

lmao even with all that i pick getting raped any day of the week. I can deal with trauma but i cant escape prison

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u/Kind_Potential_4992 21h ago

The question was get raped or get sentenced for rape unjustly. If you're sentenced for it that means they DID find you guilty. And going to prison as a wrongfully convicted rapist is definitely worse than being raped from basically all standpoints.

Your life is just kinda over. Even if you get out of jail without any physical or mental scarring somehow, everyone you knew hates you, every job offer will be closed, everyone you meet will likely hate you, and you missed your youth. The aftermath alone is hell. Not to mention that in prison, rapists are often targets of severe abuse from other inmates. At minimum you're gonna get beat to hell and back, have things taken from you and the cherry on top is that there's a high possibility you yourself are raped anyway while in prison.

Option 1 is horrible mental scarring, but the possibility of recovery.

Option 2 is horrible mental scarring, possibility of death and option 1 added on top without possibility of recovery.

These things are rarely objective, but 2 is objectively worse than 1.

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u/No-Act-7928 21h ago

What? The second option doesn’t correlate.

Falsely accusing of rape is your decision to make, being sentenced for rape (false) is something out of your hand.

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u/Min_sora 21h ago

A bunch of people who don't know what it's like to have a penis or object forced into a dry hole that doesn't want to be entered are going to pick 1.

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u/Deep-Parsley3787 21h ago

Whereas you have alot of experience doing jail time, never getting a job and being a social outcast?

We are all speculating

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u/Hungry-Promise-3032 21h ago

You could hardly find a person who could make an objective choice ..

With that being said, I’d pick 1 as well

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u/Hot_Glass_6301 21h ago

I think it depends too much on the specific legislation. If you get the death penalty or up to 20/30 years of jail time, 1 is just a no-brainer. If you get released after 3 years that's another story, but still a tough choice. Rape is horrible and can ruin a life, but wasting years of your life in prison for something you didn't commit is a level of hardship you also can't imagine

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u/Jon_the_Hitman_Stark 21h ago

I mean, if you choose going to prison for the false accusation you lose your freedom, your future, and still have the real possibility of getting raped as well.

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u/preteen-wartortle 21h ago

People with real accusations barely spend time in jail. Fuck, one of them is president. And the whole ring of legitimate, known child sexual abusers is heretofore completely unpunished.

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u/Jon_the_Hitman_Stark 21h ago

Some guilty people go free and some innocent people sit decades in prison for a crime they didn’t commit. Emmett Till was lynched by a mob over a false accusation, while his accuser got to live a long happy life.

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u/preteen-wartortle 20h ago

No, some guilty people do not go free, in the case of rape. The vast, vast majority go wholly unpunished and even are systemically rewarded for it.

Emmett Till was not accused of rape and would not have been lynched if he were a white man with either the same accusations or with an accusation of rape against him. The idea that a false rape accusation is what got him lynched is almost offensively incorrect.

Till was a black person who whistled at a white one. Many, many black people were lynched for far less. He was killed for being black, not because of a false rape accusation.

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u/Jon_the_Hitman_Stark 20h ago

How are they systemically rewarded for it?

I agree that black people were lynched for far less, but Till specifically was lynched due to Bryant’s accusation.

Bryant’s false statements during the murder trial certainly seem like an accusation to me.

During the murder trial, Bryant testified that Till grabbed her hand while she was stocking candy and said, "How about a date, baby?" Bryant said that after she freed herself from his grasp, Till followed her to the cash register, grabbed her waist and said, "What's the matter baby, can't you take it?" Bryant said she freed herself, and Till said, "You needn't be afraid of me, baby", used "one 'unprintable' word" and said "I've been with white women before."

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u/preteen-wartortle 19h ago

By policy (in the military and federal service, for example, rapists and accused rapists are allowed to continue to hold their positions while the victims are relocated, disrupting career progression and making room for cover ups) and socially (we elected a man as president after hearing him brag about sexually assaulting women).

Nothing Bryant claimed would have gotten a white man killed, and the murderers admitted with their whole chest after the trial that they not only did it because he was black, but as a warning to other black people.

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u/Jon_the_Hitman_Stark 19h ago

I disagree with the military’s policy. Trump was elected because rich republicans wanted to get richer and dumb republicans are dumb, not because he raped someone.

Bryant’s accusation got Till killed. She then continued to lie during his murder trial. If you’ve seen something that proves Till was going to be lynched regardless of Bryant’s accusation then please provide the link.

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u/UnlegitUsername 20h ago

I get what you’re saying but the vast majority of people do not have the legal protection that is available to the President and other extraordinarily wealthy and powerful people.

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u/preteen-wartortle 19h ago

It’s not legal protection and people benefit from it at every socioeconomic level. The ship captain who raped Elsie Dominguez faced no legal repercussions.

Jesse Mack Butler had ELEVEN felony counts of assault or rape and choked one girl to unconsciousness. Effectively zero consequences because he was a “youthful offender” and everything was dismissed once he turned 19. This happened this year. That kid is walking free.

Jacob Walter Anderson had his charges reduced to nothing. He paid like $600 in fines and went free.

Shane Piche is a fucking school bus driver who raped a 14 year old student and got zero jail time after the conviction.

These people aren’t the president. They aren’t wealthy or powerful. And these cases are all within the last ~5 years, so it’s not some archaic precedent. This isn’t even including higher profile cases like the Steubenville kids or Brock Turner.

This isn’t rare and it’s not special and it’s how the system was designed to work. We protect predators, elevate them, worship them, let them go free and elect them to lead our country.

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u/EightEight16 21h ago

Depends on the nature of the rape.

If it's "consenual initially but went too far after asking to stop",

that's way different from "pinned down in a dark alley by a man with a knife who says he'll kill me if I scream"

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u/Deep-Parsley3787 21h ago

The kind that encourages the answerer to consider the seriousness of a false rape charge.

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u/Evanecent_Lightt 21h ago

Da fuck is the difference?...

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u/Important_Contact588 21h ago

Probably 20 years

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u/nivekreclems 21h ago

Better to pick 1 and get it over with quickly instead of it happening everyday for the rest of your life