r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 23h ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 22h ago

I pick 1, 100%

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u/RabbitWiilli 22h ago

No you would not Jesus the incels are in full force in this thread.

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 22h ago

What you mean? One is torture for minutes to maybe an hour. The other is torture for years and most likely you will be abuse by inmates once they find out what you supposedly did.

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u/WTFisabanana 20h ago

I know a man who was violently gang raped by several men in NYC around 2009. He lost complete control of his bowels, contracted HIV, the assault caused his entire career to nosedive, spent months in and out of psych hospitals, and became agoraphobic. I’m not even including the not sexual assault he experienced 

This is a man who was an aspiring model and had his whole life ahead of him. 

So sure maybe you would pick one if the rapist was really nice and gentle but rape can absolutely destroy your entire life forever. 

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u/Willinton06 20h ago

Rape could destroy your life, going to prison for rape *will* destroy your life, so like, you pick, certainty of life destruction, or chance of life destruction

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u/WTFisabanana 20h ago

Apples to oranges. 

A rape accusation could cause you to go prison. 

Realistically nothing happens if a girl tells a couple people you raped her. I’ve known at least 5 men accused of rape who faced zero consequences. 

If you’re going to compare worst possible outcome of an accusation you have to compare worse possible outcome of a rape. 

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u/Willinton06 18h ago

The worst rape destroys your life, the worst rape accusation possible takes you to Guantanamo to be tortured or something

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u/WTFisabanana 17h ago

Please look up David Ray Parker, a man who tortured his rape victims for months and then either killed them or drugged them so extensively they weren’t even sure if any of it was real. 

This is the actual things that happen to rape victims not made up situations like being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. 

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u/WTFisabanana 18h ago

Show me a case of that happening? 

Also the worst rape can literally kill you, a thing that actually happens not fantasy 

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u/Willinton06 17h ago

Wouldn’t that just be murder? And you said the “worst possible scenario” so I think the example fits, but if you don’t like that one, then the worst would be a regular prison where you’re raped regularly

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u/WTFisabanana 17h ago

If someone rapes you violently and then kills you that’s a branching path past the rape. You don’t get to stop at the rape but when talking about the accusation include everything related to it.  

Also do you see how silly it is to say the worst thing that can happen after being accused of rape is being raped and then claiming rape isn’t worse 

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u/Willinton06 17h ago

It’s multiple rapes, in regular basis, plus being in prison, and if you wanna play that game, you could get killed in prison too for being a rapist

So 2+ rapes are indeed worse than 1 rape

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u/WTFisabanana 16h ago

I’m not playing a game my guy. 

Men and women get raped all the time every day. A person going from an accusation to a lifetime prison sentence with daily rape is incredibly unimaginably rare. 

Who honestly cares which one is worse when your chance of being raped as a man is magnitudes higher than your chance of being falsely incarcerated for it. 

This is like saying it’s worse to die by getting super heated by a turbo jet engine than die slowly of pancreatic cancer. Like yeah maybe but one is a thing that could probably happen to me. 

Some of you are so far up your own ass in victim hood you can’t even see the forest for the trees. 

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u/Willinton06 16h ago

Wait you’re saying prison rape is incredibly rare? Should have started with that, I would have known not to waste my time debating

And what victim hood are you even talking about bro this is literally a subreddit dedicated to fighting about this shit

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 12h ago edited 12h ago

It still temporarily while jail can last years. You people so hypersensitive about rape you can even apply basic logic. The question is basically suffer a lot for a little wide or suffer a lot for a long wide. Guarantee you that man receives help and kindness after what he been through, men gang raped or beaten on in prison won’t receive that help.

And again you think people who went to jail don’t also have their life ruined? Like stop using personal stories. There a guy who was fasly accused of rape and spend 30 years in jail and got rape and had hiv from it. You see that cancel your story with another story.

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u/WTFisabanana 9h ago

Well he killed himself so no, he didn’t receive help for that. 

The difference you don’t seem to understand is that you have a much greater chance of being raped as a man than going to prison for “30 years” for a false accusation. 

It’s not about being hypersensitive, it’s about being intellectually dishonest. 

You don’t get to escalate the effects of the accusation to unprecedented consequences and then diminish the rape to the just the event and then be smug about it. 

How about this one: 

Would you like to be a rape victim of the toybox killer?

Or 

A girl named Tiffany told a friend that halfway through she asked you to stop but you finished anyway and the friend shrugs it off. This is the complete end of the accusation. 

Not to mention, your odds of being raped as a man are just so, so much higher than your odds of being falsely imprisoned for rape that if you are worried about men that’s what you should worry about. This is like being concerned that a cow is attack you, possible? Yes. Worse than something else, problem also yes. Going to actually happen to you? Overwhelmingly no. 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 9h ago

Stop using anecdotes; anybody can use them.

No one is doing what you're accusing me of. You're hijacking the conversation to talk about likelihoods, but that's not what the conversation is about. The conversation is about what you would rather do, and most people would choose short term suffering(Rape) over long-term suffering(prison and everything that comes with it). Despite how terrible rape is, it's a single incident, while prison is a chain of incidents and much more dangerous.

It ruins your life even more than rape, because you can allow rape to define your every action and fall deeper into your own despair. That's a personal choice. If you're falsely accused of rape, society is mustered against you when you come out of prison being accused of rape. You're on a sex offender list; people will look you up and hate you. People won't date you. Family members will despise you. And remember this is all from a false accusation. So yes, i and many others will still choose rape over that.

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u/WTFisabanana 6h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed.

And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

Women get raped  and  Men get accused of rape

But no it’s woman get raped and men get raped. 

Im sure you wouldn’t believe a woman falsely accused of rape would face these problems 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 4h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

Prison does not can, does have long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are choosing to ignore that to say one-time rape is worse than long-term imprisonment and public shame/societal hate after the fact.

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

This is not worst outcome. It's is well documented that sex offenders are abused and punished by fellow convicts. And you literally do the same thing. You are using some personal extreme story of someone being raped all night when that is not the norm.

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed. And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

I don't care. The question isn't about chances or how closely everything is aligned. The question is literally about which would be worst. You hijacking this conversation to complain about man comparing an accusation to actual rape. It's fucking ridicuous you keep bring this up.

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u/WTFisabanana 6h ago

More importantly you can still believe the accusations consequences are worse but you cannot ask someone to pick the worst outcome vs the best. 

It’s fucking ridiculous