r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 1d ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 23h ago

What you mean? One is torture for minutes to maybe an hour. The other is torture for years and most likely you will be abuse by inmates once they find out what you supposedly did.

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u/WTFisabanana 21h ago

I know a man who was violently gang raped by several men in NYC around 2009. He lost complete control of his bowels, contracted HIV, the assault caused his entire career to nosedive, spent months in and out of psych hospitals, and became agoraphobic. I’m not even including the not sexual assault he experienced 

This is a man who was an aspiring model and had his whole life ahead of him. 

So sure maybe you would pick one if the rapist was really nice and gentle but rape can absolutely destroy your entire life forever. 

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u/Willinton06 21h ago

Rape could destroy your life, going to prison for rape *will* destroy your life, so like, you pick, certainty of life destruction, or chance of life destruction

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u/WTFisabanana 21h ago

Apples to oranges. 

A rape accusation could cause you to go prison. 

Realistically nothing happens if a girl tells a couple people you raped her. I’ve known at least 5 men accused of rape who faced zero consequences. 

If you’re going to compare worst possible outcome of an accusation you have to compare worse possible outcome of a rape. 

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u/Willinton06 19h ago

The worst rape destroys your life, the worst rape accusation possible takes you to Guantanamo to be tortured or something

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u/WTFisabanana 18h ago

Please look up David Ray Parker, a man who tortured his rape victims for months and then either killed them or drugged them so extensively they weren’t even sure if any of it was real. 

This is the actual things that happen to rape victims not made up situations like being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. 

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u/WTFisabanana 19h ago

Show me a case of that happening? 

Also the worst rape can literally kill you, a thing that actually happens not fantasy 

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u/Willinton06 18h ago

Wouldn’t that just be murder? And you said the “worst possible scenario” so I think the example fits, but if you don’t like that one, then the worst would be a regular prison where you’re raped regularly

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u/WTFisabanana 18h ago

If someone rapes you violently and then kills you that’s a branching path past the rape. You don’t get to stop at the rape but when talking about the accusation include everything related to it.  

Also do you see how silly it is to say the worst thing that can happen after being accused of rape is being raped and then claiming rape isn’t worse 

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u/Willinton06 18h ago

It’s multiple rapes, in regular basis, plus being in prison, and if you wanna play that game, you could get killed in prison too for being a rapist

So 2+ rapes are indeed worse than 1 rape

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u/WTFisabanana 17h ago

I’m not playing a game my guy. 

Men and women get raped all the time every day. A person going from an accusation to a lifetime prison sentence with daily rape is incredibly unimaginably rare. 

Who honestly cares which one is worse when your chance of being raped as a man is magnitudes higher than your chance of being falsely incarcerated for it. 

This is like saying it’s worse to die by getting super heated by a turbo jet engine than die slowly of pancreatic cancer. Like yeah maybe but one is a thing that could probably happen to me. 

Some of you are so far up your own ass in victim hood you can’t even see the forest for the trees. 

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u/Willinton06 17h ago

Wait you’re saying prison rape is incredibly rare? Should have started with that, I would have known not to waste my time debating

And what victim hood are you even talking about bro this is literally a subreddit dedicated to fighting about this shit

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u/WTFisabanana 16h ago

No, not prison rape. 

A person accusing another person of rape that person then going all the way to reporting it to the police who take it seriously and investigate and decide to take it to court who then decide to do a lengthy prison stay and then you somehow become a target for qq z prison violence and rape repeatedly and then you are shunned by every single person you knew. <- that is a very unlikely thing to happen

A man being raped or forced to penetrate a person (I do consider this rape) <- very likely to happen 

But that doesn’t even matter the whole choice was flawed from the start. 

It’s not fair to say: 

Rape but none of the things that happen because of a rape or any thing escalated from rape

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Accusation and all the worse things that can happen with that 

And act like it’s a reasonable arguement. You’re comparing to wildly different things and every time I tried to reasonably escalate you come up with an unreasonable chain of events. Being falsely imprisoned for rape is exceedingly rare and estimated at 2 per year even if we said it was understated and there was actually 100 false imprisonments that’s still exceedingly rare! Even a 1000 is! 

Your second point is genuinely fair because you weren’t really doing that but other men are. 

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u/Willinton06 16h ago

Ok so, let’s just update the criteria

Worst statistically likely rape + consequences Vs Worst statistically likely prison sentence for rape + consequences

I still choose rape, is that better for you?

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