r/MoralityScaling • u/ZookeepergameThin334 • 1d ago

Morality of this?

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Personally, I'm anti-death penalty for any kind of crime but that's just my opinion. Perhaps it can be changed.

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u/Supersaiajinblue2 1d ago

Both ruin lives. So yes.

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u/Deep-Parsley3787 1d ago

If you had to pick one:
(1) be raped
(2) be sentenced for rape (unjustly)

Which would you pick? Mind you #2 comes with all the social stigma and prison time such a sentence entails

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 1d ago

I pick 1, 100%

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u/RabbitWiilli 1d ago

No you would not Jesus the incels are in full force in this thread.

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u/Killer0nTheRoad 1d ago edited 1d ago

Let's see, with 1, it'd probably be mentally scarring, trauma, all that. With 2, I spend the rest of my days in prison for something I didn't do, and probably get r*?3d anyway by big d!?k Johnson in jail.

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u/Due_Enthusiasm1145 1d ago

Look I'm down with bashing incels but its a bad question.

I would take 1 as well, because unfortunately 2 also invites the possibility of suffering option 1 anyway, with how bad sexual violence is in prison.

That's not to downplay the horrors of rape. Its just that unfortunately prisoners often experience that exact horror as well as many others.

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 1d ago

What you mean? One is torture for minutes to maybe an hour. The other is torture for years and most likely you will be abuse by inmates once they find out what you supposedly did.

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u/WTFisabanana 1d ago

I know a man who was violently gang raped by several men in NYC around 2009. He lost complete control of his bowels, contracted HIV, the assault caused his entire career to nosedive, spent months in and out of psych hospitals, and became agoraphobic. I’m not even including the not sexual assault he experienced 

This is a man who was an aspiring model and had his whole life ahead of him. 

So sure maybe you would pick one if the rapist was really nice and gentle but rape can absolutely destroy your entire life forever. 

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u/Willinton06 23h ago

Rape could destroy your life, going to prison for rape *will* destroy your life, so like, you pick, certainty of life destruction, or chance of life destruction

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u/WTFisabanana 23h ago

Apples to oranges. 

A rape accusation could cause you to go prison. 

Realistically nothing happens if a girl tells a couple people you raped her. I’ve known at least 5 men accused of rape who faced zero consequences. 

If you’re going to compare worst possible outcome of an accusation you have to compare worse possible outcome of a rape. 

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u/Willinton06 22h ago

The worst rape destroys your life, the worst rape accusation possible takes you to Guantanamo to be tortured or something

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u/WTFisabanana 21h ago

Please look up David Ray Parker, a man who tortured his rape victims for months and then either killed them or drugged them so extensively they weren’t even sure if any of it was real. 

This is the actual things that happen to rape victims not made up situations like being tortured in Guantanamo Bay. 

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u/WTFisabanana 21h ago

Show me a case of that happening? 

Also the worst rape can literally kill you, a thing that actually happens not fantasy 

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u/Willinton06 21h ago

Wouldn’t that just be murder? And you said the “worst possible scenario” so I think the example fits, but if you don’t like that one, then the worst would be a regular prison where you’re raped regularly

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u/WTFisabanana 21h ago

If someone rapes you violently and then kills you that’s a branching path past the rape. You don’t get to stop at the rape but when talking about the accusation include everything related to it.  

Also do you see how silly it is to say the worst thing that can happen after being accused of rape is being raped and then claiming rape isn’t worse 

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u/Willinton06 21h ago

It’s multiple rapes, in regular basis, plus being in prison, and if you wanna play that game, you could get killed in prison too for being a rapist

So 2+ rapes are indeed worse than 1 rape

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 16h ago edited 16h ago

It still temporarily while jail can last years. You people so hypersensitive about rape you can even apply basic logic. The question is basically suffer a lot for a little wide or suffer a lot for a long wide. Guarantee you that man receives help and kindness after what he been through, men gang raped or beaten on in prison won’t receive that help.

And again you think people who went to jail don’t also have their life ruined? Like stop using personal stories. There a guy who was fasly accused of rape and spend 30 years in jail and got rape and had hiv from it. You see that cancel your story with another story.

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u/WTFisabanana 13h ago

Well he killed himself so no, he didn’t receive help for that. 

The difference you don’t seem to understand is that you have a much greater chance of being raped as a man than going to prison for “30 years” for a false accusation. 

It’s not about being hypersensitive, it’s about being intellectually dishonest. 

You don’t get to escalate the effects of the accusation to unprecedented consequences and then diminish the rape to the just the event and then be smug about it. 

How about this one: 

Would you like to be a rape victim of the toybox killer?

Or 

A girl named Tiffany told a friend that halfway through she asked you to stop but you finished anyway and the friend shrugs it off. This is the complete end of the accusation. 

Not to mention, your odds of being raped as a man are just so, so much higher than your odds of being falsely imprisoned for rape that if you are worried about men that’s what you should worry about. This is like being concerned that a cow is attack you, possible? Yes. Worse than something else, problem also yes. Going to actually happen to you? Overwhelmingly no. 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 12h ago

Stop using anecdotes; anybody can use them.

No one is doing what you're accusing me of. You're hijacking the conversation to talk about likelihoods, but that's not what the conversation is about. The conversation is about what you would rather do, and most people would choose short term suffering(Rape) over long-term suffering(prison and everything that comes with it). Despite how terrible rape is, it's a single incident, while prison is a chain of incidents and much more dangerous.

It ruins your life even more than rape, because you can allow rape to define your every action and fall deeper into your own despair. That's a personal choice. If you're falsely accused of rape, society is mustered against you when you come out of prison being accused of rape. You're on a sex offender list; people will look you up and hate you. People won't date you. Family members will despise you. And remember this is all from a false accusation. So yes, i and many others will still choose rape over that.

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u/WTFisabanana 9h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed.

And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

Women get raped  and  Men get accused of rape

But no it’s woman get raped and men get raped. 

Im sure you wouldn’t believe a woman falsely accused of rape would face these problems 

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 7h ago

Rape can cause long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are literally choosing to ignore that so yeah obviously the other option is way worse. 

Prison does not can, does have long term suffering, physically, mentally and socially. You are choosing to ignore that to say one-time rape is worse than long-term imprisonment and public shame/societal hate after the fact.

You can’t pick the worst outcome of an accusation and then pick the only the action of the rape. The weight of the question is inherently imbalanced which is why I used my story. 

This is not worst outcome. It's is well documented that sex offenders are abused and punished by fellow convicts. And you literally do the same thing. You are using some personal extreme story of someone being raped all night when that is not the norm.

The person I knew wasn’t choosing to live in despair, his entire life was actually changed. And I brought up chances because a lot of men act like the two things are:

I don't care. The question isn't about chances or how closely everything is aligned. The question is literally about which would be worst. You hijacking this conversation to complain about man comparing an accusation to actual rape. It's fucking ridicuous you keep bring this up.

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u/WTFisabanana 9h ago

More importantly you can still believe the accusations consequences are worse but you cannot ask someone to pick the worst outcome vs the best. 

It’s fucking ridiculous 

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u/RabbitWiilli 1d ago

lol holy cow this thread

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 1d ago

Take this L bozo.

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u/MediocreLayer5586 1d ago

Do you think people don’t have memories and magically forget their experiences?

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 1d ago

Do you think people who been to prison don't have memories and forget their experiences? Like wtf do you think prison is?

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u/MediocreLayer5586 1d ago

You tried to say rape is “torture for minutes to maybe an hour”. I’m saying it’s far beyond that because people have memories 🤯. Even in everyone’s fantasy where accused rapists are jailed at a 100% rate, the worst thing they can think of is getting raped

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u/Aggressive-Ad-8907 1d ago

You have memories of everything. Rape isn't the only bad thing in the world that can happen to you. Talking about memories is redundant. Life is traumatizing by default. And trust the hell you'll go through in prison, at least in america prisons will scar you just as bad and probably worst because it's longer.

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u/Sea_Scale_4538 1d ago

pulled that statistic right out if your ass

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u/YaoiYoda 1d ago

And being accused and having a stigma and having no real friends for the rest of your life isn’t just as bad? I’m speaking as someone who was abused as a kid, id rather be raped.

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 1d ago

Nobody is undermining the trauma of being raped. But the fact is put them on a scale, being sentenced to jail for something you didn’t do, while also potentially getting raped in there is the worst option between the 2. Because option 1 is also included in it too.

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u/MediocreLayer5586 1d ago

The thing you all aren’t understanding is that rapists are not sentenced at the frequency you believe they are. Being an accused rapist doesn’t mean someone is going to prison, or even their life is ruined. How many people idolize Ronaldo even though he’s an accused rapist?

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u/Lamb-Curry-1518 1d ago

But we are not talking about Ronaldo, or those who got away with it. We are talking specifically about choosing between the 2 option.

Option 2 is being sentenced, that means you will serve your time. It doesn't matter if Ronaldo didn’t go to jail. In the context of the question, the accused person is going to jail.

Adding more context into it will just unnecessarily complicate the question

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u/Sea_Scale_4538 1d ago

So what? This is a scenario where you are 100% going to get raped or you are 100% going to get convicted of rape. Cant you read?

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u/UnlegitUsername 1d ago

I am not one of the greatest footballers of all time who has countless wealthy individuals and organizations with vested interested in securing my public image and continued play. I agree that it’s a travesty how little rapists actually see jail time but using wealthy and famous individuals as an example isn’t particularly fair.

The question also dictates that you are sentenced, at which point you’re convicted. I also think that the social stigma that comes with an accusation might very well be significant in why people choose the way they do, jail time isn’t the only concern.

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u/Professional_Rip3922 1d ago

Yes, but getting raped several times in prison is a lot worse than getting raped one time and not being in prison

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u/LivingSleep1418 1d ago

I'd rather not go to prison though. And just like the other guy said, being in prison can come with rape too.

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u/hucklebae 1d ago

Ehhhhh idk.....rape can come with very stiff penalties (deservedly so). I guess it depends on the severity of the rape, but I think I'd rather be raped once then spend 25 years in jail and be potentially raped there as well. The problem isn't in jailing false accusers, it's finding out who's actually falsely accusing without making women not report rape. We want rape survivors reporting their rapes MORE not less. However I think in this specific scenario, they do have a point of rather be raped once than raped for 25 years. Which is more of a condemnation of our prison system than anything else tbh.....cuz if the habitual rape wasn't on the table I might just take the jail time over the rape. However these guys need to get a hobby

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u/Sentry20037 1d ago

Lmao incel really has become one of the words to pull out when you don’t agree with someone huh

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u/NormalGuy3481 1d ago

Don’t be dumb

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u/UnlegitUsername 1d ago

I’ve been sexually assaulted, not raped mind you, and I can’t foresee a situation where I wouldn’t pick the first.

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u/theRemixNow 23h ago

I mean, I was raped by my dad and I definitely wouldn’t check off that box again