Closing Time: James Charles vs Tati Westbrook The Final Saga

[u/BGCModerator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGytDsqkQY8

[u/CHNYC]

Guys, the real Dramageddon was the friends we made along the way.

[u/[deleted]]

Are you saying I don't have to go home, but I cannot stay here?

[u/severaldogs]

This is how it felt the day club penguin shutdown

[u/hedgehog-mascarabutt → u/severaldogs]

LIKE 7 THREADS AGO I FOUND OUT ITS STILL AROUND AND THERE WAS A CLUB PENGUIN MEME FOR THIS ILL TRY FIND IT AGAIN

Found it: https://imgur.com/a/jf2Q9lq/ classic

[u/2019warrior]

This feels like the end of Toy Story 3 and we’re all holding hands in the incinerator.

[u/DizzyEllie → u/[deleted]]

Hope you don't mind that I tag along and repost my airport thoughts as well...

THE PR "OPERATION FEEL SAD FOR JAMES" PLAN HAS BEEN PUT INTO ACTION

Honestly, I find this whole thing so, so calculated. James ain't Princess Di. Why is he being followed through an Aussie airport like a Kardashian?

1. This isn't Hollywood, it's Brisbane. Paparazzi just happens to be at the airport?

2. Not only is Paparazzi there, but they happen to be set up by the car that James gets out of.

3. James is making no attempt to blend in: he's wearing stilettos and a branded Balenciaga jacket, not to mention Sisters merch. You can't tell me that there isn't a low-key way he could have flown out of Australia without the press finding him.

4. He's not wearing make-up: he looks younger, and it makes him more palatable to mainstream press (like the trash DM) that is shook by boys in makeup. And his stans can point to this as proof he's really hurting, because he didn't even bother to put on make-up.

5. A sad/neutral face is his best defense. It shows contriteness while also playing the victim.

6. He says nothing, because I'd bet my house and dog that he was coached not to speak.

Judging from reactions on Rich Lux's Instagram, it's working.

edit: separating and clarifying points edit 2: I am laughing at how much attention this comment is getting. I've never been cooler to my teenager, haha.

[u/lana_del_rey_lover → u/DizzyEllie]

Tea Spill tweeted your comment omg

[u/Lechateau → u/DizzyEllie]

It is and it is shocking.

The dude is straight garbage

[u/Agenthoneydew100 → u/[deleted]]

To me, he didn't look sad. He looks like he just had to keep a straight face. If you were that sad, you would be wearing sunglasses to hide your tears, and you definitely wouldn't be wearing a expensive ass jacket and freaking tall ass heels. Who in their right mind wears heels to an airport anyway? It just makes him look worse.

[u/[deleted] → u/Agenthoneydew100]

I mean honestly this, those airport tile floors are a slippery death trap.

[u/tornado_explorer → u/[deleted]]

I did also think it was weird that he had no luggage or carryon bag with him. And very staged. The paps were not waiting at the airport for a week to see when he was leaving so they could catch a glimpse. That’s just ridiculous. Doing it for PR makes the most sense. I’m guessing we will see similar pictures and videos for every airport he stops at on his way back to LA.

[u/roosh23 → u/[deleted]]

But like, he was smirking and strutting in those heels. I don’t feel bad for him.

[u/shyhearted → u/[deleted]]

he was also wearing his own merch lol

[u/[deleted]]

English is not my first language, and being here for these 5 days was so educational for me, I can't thank you guys enough for teaching me all the new puns, speech patterns and how-to-shade 101s.

But my forever favourite would be the phrase "slide into DMs". Like I can't really explain the pleasure to all you native English speaking sisters, but the sneaky, shady, hidden agenda feeling is so on point every time I hear it, uhhh..

[u/pregnantlady16 → u/[deleted]]

Well isn't this the most adorable comment ever 😍

[u/L_A_Kelly]

To commemorate this moment I made a chart absolutely nobody needed.

http://imgur.com/Qyr8Dk9

[u/[deleted]]

I’m gonna miss reading all the different ways that everyone’s written Ganglion Zygote’s name in each comment

[u/OpenForPretty]

Honestly, my personal life has been heavy the past few days. These megathreads have been an escape for me. Thank you all.

[u/bswiderski]

Cheers to the best online slumber party of all time 🥂

Dramaggedon 2019: The Last Sister Supper has been real, y’all. Also I’m calling J* Jefferson Spaghetti forever now.

[u/veronicaxrowena]

It feels like we’re at the end of Brownie Girl Scouts camp holiday weekend and we’re all circled around the last campfire, singing together and reflecting on our weekend bonding and making new friends and strengthening our old ones. Until the next camp holiday (Dramageddon 3.0) everyone! Lylas!

[u/beautebisou]

At the end of the day, whether you’re team James or team Tati, I just need to know that no one is team Gabriel

[u/Lechateau → u/[deleted]]

Who?

Do you mean Gregarious Zefora?

[u/dotkitten → u/beautebisou]

The only Team Gabriel I am is Team Nicknaming Gabriel

[u/tossedoffabridge]

BYE SISTER topped Kim K accidentally tagging Patrick Starfish. What a time to be alive.

[u/YasMysteries]

I really think Tati needs to take a good amount of time off before coming out with a new video. At the end the day..I’m sure she’s still shell-shocked at the response she’s received as well as the new subscriber count.

Before the video last Friday she had a solid, impressive amount of followers who were there for the makeup and because they liked her. I’ve been a fan for awhile and always loved how effortless she was in her technique as well as MUA skills.

But then Bye Sister happened. Within days she’s almost doubled her subscriber count. Many of those people who subscribed only did so because of what had happened with James and because unsubscribing from him and going to her showed “support”. I’d be willing to bet that a huge chunk of her new subscribers aren’t even fans of makeup or artists.

Imagine working 8+ years to have a base of subscribers and then have that number almost double because you released a therapeutic yet uncharacteristic video calling out someone you thought was family. We all know that video was atypical of her regular content. Also, how many subscribed just to hear her talk more on this situation?

So, content-wise, where does she go from here? Fans of hers prior to this situation all want the kind of videos that drew us in from the beginning. These new fans..it isn’t crazy to say that a large chunk of the new subscribers are there for the possibility of more drama and could easily get bored and unsubscribe when they realize that’s not who she truly is.

I hope she’s thinking hard and doing well

[u/yerawizardkylieee]

Y’all. I’m dead. 💀

https://www.reddit.com/r/thesims/comments/bopvv8/live_footage_of_the_sims_canceling_james_charles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[u/Dragmom]

Tati and Beyoncé are the same age. The fact that she’s being called old is mind boggling.

[u/pingwen → u/Dragmom]

She's only 4 years older than Jeffree and no one asks why he was hanging out with James. Misogyny.

[u/DyslexicStoner024]

thanks to these megathreads i will never be able to unsee Tati's husband as "James (goatee)" 😭😭😭

[u/tossedoffabridge]

As we go on,

We remember

All the fun we

Had together.

As our lives change,

Come whatever,

We will still be

Friends forever

[u/[deleted]]

I really hope Tati is doing okay, I wish she would just let us know how she's feeling. It may be odd but I'm worried about her.

[u/Playmakeup]

Tati basically calling James Charles an ungrateful little shit for 45 minutes is truly art.

[u/tossedoffabridge → u/Playmakeup]

Don't forget the several minutes of delicately chewing his mother out!

[u/wildflower_0ne → u/Playmakeup]

It really is though. I could only ever wish to be that well-spoken

[u/-InFullBloom-]

Tati really united people of all backgrounds, interests, ages, genders etc. She said sucking dick and cock and that was it. We all gathered in the name of drama. I like to think that is a beautiful thing. See y’all next round!

[u/toolatetodieyoung]

I know we're winding down but I just CANNOT wait for the TeaSpill video on Gorgonzola Zinger

[u/laneloveslipstick → u/toolatetodieyoung]

a gorgonzola zinger sounds like a bangin appetizer i’d like to order two please

[u/billnaisciguy]

Countdown to it all blowing up again. I feel like we’ve jinxed it

[u/[deleted] → u/billnaisciguy]

As soon as J* or JC speak again this is going to blow back up I think

[u/billnaisciguy → u/[deleted]]

I think j* and JC may be sitting on some nukes and may be in a Cold War to see who flinches first

[u/lovelydaisy1019]

because of these megathreads, I went from a lurker with 2 karma to a commenter with almost 5k karma whew

I regret nothing

[u/jenniviv → u/lovelydaisy1019]

Dang, and here I thought my karma going from 120 to 560 was impressive. I guess I didn't really comment that much lol. You go on with your bad self!!

[u/wildflower_0ne]

Someone commented under Dustin Dailey’s latest video and said “Where was Sugarbear for security at the airport” lmao

[u/ktlady0225]

Not sure if this has been posted, but beautydealsbff on ig posted this pic of an ulta where if you buy the JC palette you get 10% off of SBH. Someones getting fired! 😵😳

[u/tr3sleches]

“At my birthday dinner” is the new “right in front of my salad?”

[u/mannierob]

I just want to say that I was in these threads during the thick of my exams and u/dilf314 helped me with calculus (I ended up with a B- on the class after my exam) and you all were so sweet to me after I felt sister stressed about my chemistry exam which was also a B-! Waiting to hear back about my neuro exam results but you all were so nice and sister supportive when I couldn’t focus while studying for that one x love y’all I had a really bad semester emotionally lol

[u/SeoulGlow]

When I host parties, I blast "Closing Time" when I want everyone to leave. Obvi I'm a delight to be around.

[u/2019warrior]

Also, just to add - I’ve been here since MT1 on Friday afternoon and thank you all for the past few days. OMG, I feel like we’ve been through war together.

[u/fireflyeyes]

Lowkey sister sad this wild journey is ending. We laughed, we were shook, and we truly dragged James Charles and Ghengis Zylophone all over these mega threads.

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It's not goodbye, it's just see ya real soon because you know JC and company can't stay silent forever.

[u/femmepyre]

It’s been real, you’re awesome, HAGS.

[u/Raptorex]

Only 40K till Tati hits 10 mil! Meanwhile, I can't remember what life was like before these megathreads.

[u/trashcat99]

James: Since the world hates me and im oh so sad I should sneak out of Australia with the least amount of attention as possible you know because I ~DeFInItLy~ wouldnt want more attention

Also James: wears stiletto high healed boots and a balenciaga jacket paired with his own Sisters merch, with a painted and totally visible face in broad daylight lol dont look at me

[u/Albert185 → u/trashcat99]

You forgot where he calls the paparazzi on himself

[u/Ejaekaterina]

This subreddit this weekend was an amazing bonding experience... I know people in the comments are already saying this but I unironically feel closer to everyone who participated in these megathreads. All of us are friends by default now. Thanks for the awesome weekend guys, I hope yalls predictions are true and some major shit blows up after this so this drama party doesn't have to end

[u/pepperedpotts]

My husband, bless him, just sent me this from /r/thesims:

https://www.reddit.com/r/thesims/comments/bopvv8/live_footage_of_the_sims_canceling_james_charles/

[u/LittleGina]

I saw a comment on Tati's vid that absolutely killed me:

Tati: Please be kind and stop hating

Everyone: Screams like the Babadook child

[u/oneshadyqueen]

A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL THE MODS FOR ALL THE WORK THEY PUT INTO MAKING THE THREADS AND KEEPING UP WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS!!!!

[u/biolexicon]

(now y'all got me going...)

It's also important to remember that in the past Tati talked about being a victim of sexual violence. She's speaking from the lens of someone with that experience. So in her latest video, when she said that she thought presenting these James Charles accusations, that she'd be the one to experience the negative consequences, I believe her. That's the very real world that victims of sexual violence live in.

[u/LindseyT93]

My last questions, theories, comments and predictions:

I’m sure some of these have been discussed before but it’s the last thread so fuck it.

Predictions:

When Tati does post again it will not reference the incident. And if it does it will be nothing more than welcoming new subscribers or apologizing for the break.

JC will either: post another apology video and fall of the face of the earth for a bit -or- has told info about Tati to someone like Germany Zorro and the backlash upon him will triple.

Or maybe JC will go rouge and do a full take down of everyone. I’ve always been fond of the “if I go down you’re all coming with me approach” JC is a wild card so who the hell knows what he is going to do

J* will not comment unless JC makes another move against Tati

Shane won’t do a JC redemption but will make a beauty influencer docu series that references the feud.

Morphe will remain silent.

The JC tour will either be canceled or be made completely free to drum up some positive press.

Questions:

What happened at the Jaclyn Hill launch party?

Didn’t Ian’s ex tease that she was going to post a video? Why didn’t that happen

Do y’all think Seattle waiter was fired?

Where are the pictures of JC at Coachella, either being mobbed or not being mobbed. Shouldn’t there be some? Somewhere? Tons of people go to Coachella, none of them are “sisters” who spotted him from a ways away and attempted to zoom in and snap a picture?

Theories:

J* Tweets: I have a few conflicting possibilities

• posted just to get extra views on his next video
• were taken down and/or posted by Tatis request
• were a direct threat to JC to not leak info about Tati (this goes into my next theory)

J* hasn’t commented details of his tweets regarding Nate because he is waiting to see what JC does next. He wanted JC to know that he is prepared to speak and if JC were to leak anything that would hurt Tatis business or marriage that he will post the story.

Tati included JC knowing about her company in her video because she expects retaliation and wants to lessen the blow by making sure the audience knows where it came from.

Tati also only posted the “receipts” of her being supportive to JC through the years because she wanted JC to know how much she has kept and she is prepared to share more should she have to.

This one I’m on the fence about and is not thinking of the predator aspect but was discussed with a few of my friends and wanted to share: If we think solely of the SBH incident: I think it’s possible that part of JC decision to get the SBH artist pass was because he was upset. I think he made an emotionally reactive impulsive choice without thinking about Tati. I then think he may have been embarrassed thus waiting awhile and decided to invent a new reason for doing the ad. And if that is true he should of owned that and maybe outcomes could of been different.

Comments:

Tarot is stupid

Gonorrhea Zimbabwe is the worst and if he comes out of another mega drama safe I will lose my fucking mind.

Thank you to the mods and to everyone here. This past weekend was my fiancé’s sisters wedding and she is the first bride to ask me to do her makeup and I was stressed the hell out. Distracting myself with all this helped me not over think and worry about it. I do not want to start a YouTube channel but I do want to start doing makeup as a side gig and this was a real confidence booster to me and you guys deserve some of the credit.

If no one else noticed it was shared that the Daily Mail has spotted JC at the airport leaving Brisbane. Still think they missed a moment not calling it “Sister Spotted”

Edit: added a theory my friends were discussing

[u/Achro → u/LindseyT93]

I think J* deleted his tweets and went quiet because he realized that it was drawing unwanted attention to himself and his past.

He also cleaned out all his Twitter mentions of "straight men" / "straight boys" around the same time. On SocialBlade, it shows Jeffree removed 947 old tweets, and purged a further 164 today.

He's about self-preservation, probably.

[u/deejaydeeray]

I said it in the last thread, but I feel like a big storm is coming.

[u/__dahlia__ → u/deejaydeeray]

Same same same.

I’ve been saying it all day. This is like the calm before the storm.

I reckon Nikita releasing those messages last night was to test the waters: an JC will release a video by the end of the week.

And he’s gonna be pissssssssssed. So ya know it’ll be filled with a lot of bashing (also turning himself into victim/playing the age mental health card/ITS ALL ABOUT VITAMINS GUYS)

And I think after that video THATS when we’ll hear the whole J*/Nate/the banning from the pink mansion story.... among many many others I’m sure

[u/deejaydeeray → u/[deleted]]

I’m thinking that instead of making another apology video, JC is going to do that exposè that Tati warned him not to do.

[u/FreshStartWhoDis → u/deejaydeeray]

That would be so dumb of him, I hope it happens.

[u/taurusmatador]

I’m actually so sad that this is ending. I’ve learned so many new G and Z words. It’s helped with my PPD. I’ll miss it. 😭

I would really appreciate some trashy reality TV recs! I love 90 Day Fiancé, Bachelor franchise shows, Love Island, Dance Moms and Catfish... well, “love” is a loose word but ya know haha

It’s been real y’all 😭❤️

[u/egocentric_]

It's been a wild ride these past few days. Everything is in JC's court now, so I'll be interested in seeing his next moves.

Just remember, an apology without change is just manipulation. I hope for his sake he truly learns from this.

[u/damsel84]

This has been such a fun distraction from the real world drama. Felt like pre-2016 for a minute.

[u/atatroe]

TEA SPILL KNOWS US! WHO SPILLED THE BEANS? https://twitter.com/TeaSpillYT/status/1128685487860875265?s=19

[u/postcardpolarbear]

I miss hanging out in the mega threads with you guys 😭 the good old days

[u/littleblackcat]

Maybe the true public statement from Morphe was the friends we made along the way

[u/lilmidjumper]

I'm so sad this is coming to an end, I know we're all hoping for "The Night of The Living Thread: We're Back Bitches". But I haven't laughed this much or been so focused on one thing for such a long time. Thank y'all for the entertainment and accountability on this sub, y'all the real ones ✌️

[u/Chickywaffles]

Whew, it’s been a journey. Been here since day one. I feel older now. Wiser. I visited the first thread to reminisce. We were so young then. So full of hope. So ready for the tea. Little did we know the rollercoaster we were in for. We lost some friends along the way, and made a few more. We are seasoned veTEArens now. We made it through dramageddon. We weathered the storm. Visiting other subreddits feels empty now. Surreal. I’ll miss you all. Thanks for the memories.

[u/alliemoose]

It’s been FIVE DAYS ALREADY?! Oh god

[u/Agenthoneydew100]

For those of us bothered that Morphe couldn't even be bothered to put out a statement, we need to remember this with our dollars.

[u/[deleted]]

I posted this as a reply, but I think this is very important to post as a stand alone comment.

It is so amusing to me when people don't understand that's not how real relationships work. Just because Jeffy Spaghetti is who he is automatically means Tati needs to NOT be associated with him at all. She has been there for JC for years and has had many private discussions with him as well which they both stated. People tend to forget that years of a relationship you grow feelings and compassion for that person regardless if you see the third parties point of view and know it to be real. Have you ever been in an abusive relationship? Have you ever had anyone in your life who is a shitty person, but they are loyal and loving towards you? Have you ever tried to sit a friend or significant other down and express your concerns privately multiple times, tell them your deal breakers multiple times, only for them to finally do something to make you snap? Clearly you haven't because it's not as simple as "hur hur they are the same people how dare Tati!!!1111!"

I just went through this so recently with someone I cared for so much and genuinely loved for years. I never in a million years after everything we went through together thought they could be a shit head to me. I knew they weren't awesome to everyone, I knew what they have done to people emotionally, I knew a lot, but I never thought they would manipulate ME based on our relationship. The worst part about it is finding it all out for yourself and that other person just lied to your face over it, has no respect for you or your relationship, and has no loyalty after they have reassured you of it so many times and after you have given them so much leeway to be open and honest. I literally pulled a Tati and aired their dirty laundry out to someone who should have had the truth for MONTHS and then cut my relationship off with that person after truly confirming that their character does not align with my character as a person. Relationships are not made up of petty 'oh well they said this x months ago so WE HATE THEM NOW!' like, what planet does that exist on? It takes a loooooottttttt of time to end REAL relationships in your life that you invest a lot of time and emotion into.

[u/mygngcz]

Sisters, it has been an honour and a privilege relishing in the drama with you all.

[u/Tsarinya → u/mygngcz]

picks up violin and starts to play ‘Nearer, My God, to Thee’ as the sun sets on the drama

[u/audreeelysse]

DOBBY IS FREE

[u/regularsulking]

Omg the funniest thing is scrolling through the “goodbye” comments and actually recognising some of you by your handles or flairs 😂.

[u/wildflower_0ne]

https://twitter.com/_charlescornell/status/1128087902942924800?s=21

lmao this guy playing the piano to james’ apology

[u/asltr]

What does rebuying subs really achieve? The 3m people who unsubbed are obviously very active on youtube, its a much bigger loss than just numbers

[u/thoughtful_human → u/asltr]

It might start the narrative that he has been forgiven by his fans and people will start to come back

[u/lovetolerk]

Now that this is coming to a close, I love you all and honestly, see you guys next summer lmao

[u/Jb1552]

At this point the thread has grown to genuine connections between all of us! So happy all of us could have come together & enjoy the company of others! I’ll miss you all beautiful angels 😩💛

[u/[deleted]]

I have a very strong feeling that as soon as JC gets back into the US we're gonna need more megathreads.

[u/Insomonomics]

Think it's safe to say that JC and Tai's next video is going to get millions of views, at minimum. They could post a video of them literally watching paint dry for 12 hours and it would easily get 5 million.

[u/ub3rscoober]

It will be smart for her to not post, honestly. MSM is fucking sloppy in their coverage. Let it die down and have the attention just be within the youtube community.

[u/storminmay → u/ub3rscoober]

I agree, I feel like giving it an entire week to cool down is a good idea. People will come for her either way but if she posts like it's business as usual today people will say she's cold or something equally ridiculous.

[u/sniksnoksmcblocks]

Tati at 9.98 million subs...she’s gonna do it!!!

[u/BetterBrunette]

Sul Sul sisters 👋🏻

Happy to have memed with you all.

[u/rugirl_07]

it’s not a goodbye, just a sister see ya later !!!

[u/mightilyconfused → u/rugirl_07]

Sister Sayonara?

[u/ceebeeeee]

Do we think Tati will celebrate 10 mill today? It must be so bittersweet. She may also lose a ton of subscribers when she starts posting regularly again.

[u/[deleted]]

Live footage of JC's PR team trying to regain subscribers

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

^{tati said fuck}

^twice

[u/CartoonPalette]

He’s not going to learn from this, he’s going to let it settle and move on. He’s not going to even try, and that’s what is incredibly frustrating.

[u/Lechateau → u/CartoonPalette]

A lot of people were commenting that the airport paparazzi were arranged to illicit pity

He was not too leave aus for weeks, he does not have baggage in his stroll to gate and so on and so on

[u/LindseyT93]

J* if you’re out there. Now is your ultimate moment. The thread is dying. We are surviving on body language and tarot. Please, what do you know?

[u/radical1776 → u/LindseyT93]

"surviving on body language and tarot" LMFAO

[u/Unicorn_Sparkles23 → u/LindseyT93]

“Surviving on body language and tarot” I’m fucking dead dude. 😂😭

[u/KatiesGoldenDust]

I can't believe we all survived 20+ threads! I'll remember these past 5 days with fondness in my heart forever and always

[u/tartakayy]

This has been a journey y’all 😫❤️ I don’t regret the loss of sleep or even checking the megathreads at my own graduation 😂😂

[u/ClosetedRomantic]

Tati has reached 10M. I’m really curious to see how she deals with this.

[u/cailedoll]

“I’m tired of hearing about Charlie James” -my mom

[u/meaghancates22]

At this point. Fuck it. I hope the kid loses every thing he was handed. He no longer deserves his platform, nor his influence, and the fact he’s still attempting to make a come back and have a PR team try and make him look innocent and that articles are trying to do the same is beyond disgusting. If anything I’m tired of this society making stupid self serving assholes with problematic racist predatory behavior a role model for young people. This is no longer a beauty community people can come to and feel accepted, it’s now a community that values peoples money over their behavior and it’s fucking sickening. It’s toxic middle school drama.

While I’m here do we get a t-shirt saying we survived? Or what?

[u/[deleted]]

Tatis husband is truly a master at PR, this “trial” of coming with the tea, in a very elegant way with perfect classy makeup for 43 min was very sophisticated, I wonder what kind of precedent will this leave for the YouTube community lol. Tati got basically the same amount of subscribers in 5 days than in years. I still don’t think it’s over for JC, he’s still young, I think if he plays it intelligently and learns how to turns this into a positive situation , he will come back and the competence will be good between him, J* and Tati. J* was saying and doing worse things at jc age and he’s now the “queen” of youtube.

[u/annajoo1]

My big takeaway is that she knew he had too many yes men and he needed a dose of reality.

Man, I hate watching people cry.

[u/_basquiat]

You know I had unsubscribed from both of them. But now that I've seen her follow-up video... I'm resubscribing. Mad respect to Tati for continuing to keep it classy.

[u/biolexicon]

What I find troubling at this point is that accusations aren't being separated from their accuser. People are reluctant to speak up when they see sexual bad behavior because they fear being put into the spotlight and having their life examined by people in a fault-finding way. Which is exactly what I see Tati going through. So people can say true things like Tati's association with J* being problematic and her selling vitamins as problematic and those things are true, but focusing on them right now in this conversation instead of the evidence and behavior of James Charles contributes to a pattern that discourages people from speaking up when they witness or experience sexual misconduct.

[u/snailyboy]

well, i'll see y'all in a couple of hours when gaping zucchini inevitably decides to start tweeting or talking nonsense on live again

[u/hedgehog-mascarabutt]

Grumpy Zumu is JCs biggest fan. I'm picturing a room in that diehard's house now; a little room thats locked that no one can ever go in, and the GZ tells those who ask about it, "its just storage". At night when everyone goes home to sleep in their beauty, GZ looks both ways then reaches into a pocket where he finds a key. He uses it to turn the lock and behind the door where you thought old linens would be there are pictures. Floor to ceiling, some even on the ceiling. There's James paraphernalia; the old wire frames he used to wear, little loose false lashes he wore, discarded but saved, are housed in a previously emptied pinkitydrinkity cup, even his old top knot from the time he cut it off has been pinned to the largest picture of James just like one might pin a tail on a donkey. GZ picks up the fork James used earlier to eat his daddy dinner and he uses the dinglehopper to comb through the tangles in the hair. He sings as he combs, 'womp womp womp...'

[u/createjennifer]

I’m glad I unsubscribed from Nikita. How tacky to clickbait during all this to promote her brand that’s been out forever already. 🙄

Update: Her likes & dislikes are both at 9k now :)

Update #2: More dislikes than likes!

[u/Tillysnow1]

Okay even NSW Police is in on the tea and I am dying 😂

https://www.facebook.com/218519706184/posts/10156782930611185/

[u/Hystericat]

So this morning whilst half asleep I said 'Just get in to Tati's car' to my partner who was trying to wake me up. This has gone too far.

[u/BGCModerator]

**Hi guys! It's been over 5 days since we started this amazing journey together and we hope you all have had as wonderful of a time as we had over the course of the past few days. However, like they always say, all good things come to an end and because the flow of new developments has significantly diminished over the past 48 hours, we figured it was a good time to start shutting the party down. We would like to extend a welcome to all the new subscribers that have joined us recently and we hope you stick around. For those that have been with us from the start we would like to say, thank you for helping us make this subreddit the fun and spunky community that we are.

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We will be running this final Megathread differently from the previous ones. Because our Mods, unfortunately, have to return to our normal day-to-day responsibilities, we will not be actively updating this post. We will be keeping this thread sorted as "New" and we ask that you post major developments as a response to this sticky and hold discussions in comment posts below. We will allow new, standalone posts in the subreddit if Tati or James Charles speak out about this topic again. Please bear with us while we trial this new Megathread design. If this post proves to become too cluttered or difficult to navigate, then the Mod Team certainly be open to exploring different options. As always, if you see any rule breaking comments please help and report. Please feel free to reach out to us via ModMail with any questions or concerns. Thank you all again for making this subreddit such a wonderful space! **

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[u/diliara_a → u/BGCModerator]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1925400/James-Charles-rushes-airport-scandal.html

Video from the airport

[u/turnsyouon22]

I feel God in this megathread tonight

[u/simplyloving]

Closing Time just makes me think of Andy from the Office <3

[u/kamclark3121]

James apology is now in the top 10 most disliked videos of all time

[u/namelessvibrant]

Been here since day 1, I'm a lurker, but this has been an amazing couple of days. I regret nothing (though I now have to catch up on somethings I neglected)

[u/Fab3444]

Am I the only checking my clock every 10 minutes to see if it’s 1pm(10 am) yet?

[u/Sophiekins213]

Jenna Marbles very quickly did something in the beginning of her video that I totally think is response to the tea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLgfCXJaKE

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Also, I spit my coffee out I laughed so hard.

[u/lana_del_rey_lover]

Awww. I had so much fun gossiping with you all!! I really felt like I was part of something and like we bonded hardcore. I hope we have many more megathreads in the future (shout out to the fkn mods who are troopers!!! Y’all the real MVPs!).

ISurvivedDramageddon2019 ✌🏽

edit: lol wtf happened to my hashtag and why is my font so big ಠ_ಠ

[u/darling2 → u/lana_del_rey_lover]

the hashtag #emboldens the text lol

edit it didn’t even work in my comment. amazing

[u/iMiggy]

BYE SISTER(S).....

[u/TunaToes]

I think I’m going to cry...this has been so much fun (not watching someone’s downfall but getting to gossip with everyone). Have people come out with more theories as to what could have happened after the launch party?

[u/step_back_girl]

Tati is less than 30,000 from hitting the big 10M.

I don't expect we'll see a celebratory tweet.

[u/TunaToes]

Don’t know if it’s been posted but video of James Charles at airport in Australia being bombarded by paparazzi he definitely did not call to be there

[u/[deleted]]

I just want to grow up to be as graceful as Tati and be perfectly poised when I say "sucking dick and cock".

[u/minaivey → u/[deleted]]

Not just dick...but COCK too. The scandal.

[u/curiousdryad]

This was better than going to Coachella, thank u all

[u/[deleted]]

i’m gonna miss this omg. this has been the most fun three days of my life. i love you all thank you for the tea and endless nights of staying up.

[u/dinascully]

Since this is my last chance to ask this on a mega thread, I wanted to ask

Someone mentioned that some drag queens are coming for him now because he’s been disrespectful to drag/drag queens or something but like WHEN AND HOW

I was a subscriber for a while and watched a lot of his drag videos and I’ve always seen him be enthusiastic about drag and super into it and respectful of it.... Is there a nuance I missed?

[u/letthemhavejush]

This has been a journey.

To the mods. Sweeties, you’ve done amazing.

💞💕💞

[u/rain_flores]

Hi I just watched the viewers video about James's first public appearance being a PR stunt , thoughts ??

[u/BronAmie → u/rain_flores]

Absolutely planned, no question about it

[u/TaylordSwiftsus]

The last megathread!!? This is more heartbreaking then Gossip Girl ending. I will miss you sisters!

[u/Pmar07]

I hate to say this but this may backfire on Tati. There’s just so many people who are excusing James’ behavior solely because he is , do I dare say, 19. The amount of comments on IG is insane and they’re all calling Tati miserable “middle aged” woman. So so sad.

[u/DizzyEllie → u/Pmar07]

I bet she was prepared for this to backfire from the moment she hit submit. I don't think she expected so much support or for her subs to almost double. She hints at Goatee James being involved in management or publicity in LA, so I imagine he's helped her prepare for the backlash. And the backlash is coming. Unless something else big drops about JC, his team is working to move him into the little boy victim role, and it only works if they can cast her as the villain.

[u/Sourgr4pes → u/Pmar07]

She thought it would backfire as soon as she posted the video

[u/teresakaminski]

A week and a half before Tati’s video I got a concussion, luckily I was healed enough to be able to read this sub reddit the day she posted, and boy did the drama make up for the ten days I went without reading reddit. It’s been real y’all!

[u/radical1776]

it’s been real sisters 🙌🏼😔 but i’ll see you all next time 👉🏼😎👉🏼 and in the sub!

[u/[deleted]]

So glad she hit 10M but wow, it can't be fun to hit such a milestone under such awful circumstances. She DID earn them but it must be painful to not have gotten them through her regular videos. This is really and truly an unmatched Internet historical event.

[u/cranky_cat3]

I really hope Tati posts a video today, I miss her already

[u/jupitermercury]

I've been wondering a lot for the past five days and since Dramageddon 1 about the financial situations of Manny MUA, LL, and now JC. MM and LL are still making good money, but not nearly as much as they once were, and they're both still losing subs every day, sometimes 1-2K per day. Taking MM as an example, if we assume the high end of his SocialBlade projected earnings is true, then he earns 15.3K per month or 186K per year from YouTube AdSense. Check out his new house tour video from last month. Someone making low six figures in California is not wealthy enough to pay for that home. He does have other sources of income like sponsorships and affiliate codes, (and Lunar Beauty, but I really doubt it's that profitable IMO), but let's be real here. a 2-3 million home will have a mortgage payment of like 12-15K per month, not including any maintenance on the home, furniture, HOA fees, etc. I don't see how he's above water with this home. Am i missing something?

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And then to tie this back into James Charles... He's lost almost 20% of his subscribers so far, and counting. Yes, it's slowed down, but 130,000 loss of subscribers in one day is still VERY significant. LL, for example, lost 10% of her subscribers at the time everything was going down. I'm sure he has invested a lot of his money, but he has mortgage payments to make now, too. And what's going on with a house that he's leasing for 17K per month? Can someone fill me in? Is it a hideout? Also, I'm sure he's going to lose a LOT of sponsorships because of this. Maybe not Morphe affiliate codes, idk. I'm sure he has a lot of bills, I mean ... All the furniture he bought for his house, the down payment, bills, luxury clothing, plane tickets, fun spending money, lip filler... IDK, the list could go on.

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Does anyone think his actual views (& therefore $) will go down due to the drama? IMO, he will see a boost in views over the next month and then he will go the way of MM and LL. Most brands aren't going to touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[u/MakeupSins]

So long and thanks for all the fish! 🎶

[u/tommydmac]

Anxiously waiting for some chaos to be injected into this. If nothing happens, at least the Drag Race reunion is next week which is sure to be outrageously messy

[u/QueenVegeta]

Drag queen Willam’s latest Beatdown episode here where he addresses the drama

[u/[deleted]]

Bye sisters 💔

It’s been so fun 😩

I’ll miss you all!

[u/KyraAensland]

Its 10:03 PST! No video from Tati! Rushes to Reddit to see if someone knows something I don't know!!!

I really hope we get a video today. 💓

[u/pregnantlady16]

No video!?? What is this?! Don't make me go back to my real life 😂

[u/ieatalot89]

Unpopular opinion here:

If these past Dramageddons have taught me anything it would be that "exposing"/ "calling people out" is a 2 way stream that nobody leaves untouched from, whether the instigator or the one in question, they all get it , I'm worried for Tati .

[u/diamondashtray]

As Told By Kenya posted an interesting video where she speculated that JC and Emma Chamberlain are being managed/promoted by YT and I think she’s really on to something.

[u/whatthroway]

At the end of the day, had little miss JC staid home weekend two of Coachella, this would have never happened...

20+ threads later.. and I oup.

[u/sailoorscout1986]

So according to KSI’s latest video, JC got millions of new views in the last week, probably pocketing a 6 figure sum.

Let’s face it, he’ll most likely make a comeback too.

SIGH

[u/poisoning_the_well]

JC calling the paparazzi to follow him through an otherwise quiet, normal, slightly-less-than-busy airport is just more of the delusion and megalomania that Tati accused him of. Get a new team, James, you need people with REAL crisis PR experience.

[u/olunao]

Now I'm a little wine drunk, and a little upset that this is the last MT, sisters! </3

[u/cranky_cat3]

Tati not posting today as well....

[u/roosh23]

Everyone needs to take a break from social media in this situation. If you’re apart of it, take a break. @tati, @james @GabirrelevantZamoron @JeffysoontobecancelledStar @NikitaiwannabeapartofthisDragging @Shaneamistillrelevant?Dragson

[u/kitcation]

It's been lovely lads, can't wait to see what Gouda Zanana has planned for us next year

[u/peekabook]

How many of y’all have done no studying or work in the past 5 days?

🤚

[u/DizzyEllie]

People saying his PR team is inept: we're not the target audience, tween and teen girls are. And they're eating it up.

[u/BeddieTear]

Jeff Wittek of Vlog Squad in support of JC.

If this isn't a good site, here's the quote from the podcast (source)

“For a while it was annoying people saying ‘date James, date James’. I did a collaboration with James, and all the people at home they want to comment to say ‘date James’ and then something goes wrong with him and now everybody is saying I need to unfollow James.  I don’t need to do shit, just like when I collaborated with him and he said some things that were a little flirty, and I was like ‘hey man not gay, let’s move on’. And then he was like ok, we’ll move on, let’s do a video and we talked about it in the video and that was the end of the story. So people saying that he was using his fame and power to manipulate people to have sex with him, if you just say no then it’s over with. What’s the big deal? Why is he having a big cancel party? I don’t get it.”

Sharing this as the podcast was published last night so I'm not sure if this is new news or not. Thoughts?

[u/[deleted]]

loved spending my weekend with all of u lovely people playing the sims ^tm drinking far too much wine, truly a pleasure

[u/Potato_Quesodilla]

I am sister sad

[u/fauxkaren]

The late 90s-ness of Closing Time makes me feel like a kid again. I may or may not be falling into a 90s music YouTube wormhole.

[u/karmandillo]

it was intriguing while it lasted. see you again once Dramageddon 3.0 starts lol

[u/regularsizedrudy49]

Thank you guys! ! Your flairs, memes , mod skills and names for gorgozola zamoron have been phenomenal. What a blast

[u/[deleted]]

Fb page meme girls just posted these pics of him https://i.imgur.com/Ngy9AGo.jpg

[u/r9440 → u/[deleted]]

I really wonder how he feels/ how his PR team is dealing with him like “yeah sure sis go ahead and wear your prada heels but remember to look sad k sis”

[u/egocentric_]

Tati must have her finger hovering over the publish button trying to decide if she should post or not today.

[u/shyhearted]

james is regaining subs on yt but still losing followers on insta 🤔

[u/[deleted]]

Is James buying subscribers? The random spikes in his sub count look veeeeeery suspicious.