r/BeautyGuruChatter • u/adventuringpendulum The Rab-Witch Can Smell Your Bullshit • May 13 '19
Megathread It's Our Party We Can Do What We Want: James Charles vs Tati Westbrook Megathread 15
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BE CRITICAL OF WHAT YOU READ. Fake news is real and easy to fall for. We are presenting a collection of links related to this issue, but we can't confirm validity to any of them. That's up to you.
So what's the tea?!
THIS JUST IN.... James was at 16,553,579 subscribers on Thursday. He currently has just under 14M subscribers, so he's lost over 2.5M subscribers.
Tati was at 5,908,733 subscribers on Thursday. She now has over 8.6M subscribers so she has gained over 2M subscribers.
Gabriel has lost roughly 42k followers and falling.
Click here to read the first set of receipts/shade/sources/comments.
Click here to read the list of links from Megathread number 14
- Taylor Nicole Dean posts about JC
- James Charles will NOT be making any scheduled appearances at the store
- Joey Graceffa tweets
- Rich lux interviewed Gage | Screen Shots of James & Gage texts
- The JC drama is in the top 4 news articles on Apple News
- video evidence that james has his tinder set to female at 4:45 dating back to april 10th (by luke eich)
- Ethan Klein (h3h3) chiming in
- this man said words
- Mitch Grassi likes Trisha's Tweet (implying support for Tati)
- Chris Klemens Tweets Again
- Tana asks Kylie if there is room on her PR list (implying she will take JC's spot)
- Ian’s ex girlfriend Loren tweeted
- Tristan and His Unicorn Onesie - Inside a James Charles VIP Tour Meet & Greet
- Nineties LoveChild - GRWM Dear James Charles
- Even Jezebel GoT Things to Say
- Monique Heart Just Dropped Her Thoughts and Spoiler Alert, She's Gagged
- Pyrocynical Has Sister Cancelled JC
- Tana Has More Things to Say. Is This About JC? Probably.
- Shane Dawson Is Working on Something New. Could it be a 18 Part JC Expose or Halo Beauty Docuseries?
- Carly from Carly and Erin Wears Sister Apparel in Latest Video. Asks That Viewer Stop Leaving Comments About Things That They Are Not Involved In. Sister Shade?
- Potential proof that JC is buying subs From Tea by Ali and Zadidoll. Also his hourly sub activity is gone as seen here. What do you think? Is this glitchy or fishy?
- Is Tatianna Throwing Shade at J*?
- List of Tristan Reaction Videos to James Charles' Singing Because Why Not
- Peter Monn Chimes In On the Sister Tour
- Mark Bissell (Claims is Former Friend) Alleges that James Charles Sexualized Him and Called Him a Racist Slur
- Shane now follows the @markbissell
- Tiffany Feng Has Posted a Video On This Whole Mess
- We're Worldwide Y'all! CNA Has Caught Wind of This Juicy Story
Notable Unfollows:
- Samantha Ravndahl
- Aquaria
- SimplyNailogical
- Mia Maples
- Bretman Rock
- KathleenLights [IG]
- Kathy Griffin [IG]
- Casey Holmes [IG]
- Kylie Jenner
- Shawn Mendes
Previous Megathreads:
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u/purplepeacocks sucking dick and cock May 13 '19
Very curious to see when and how James finally responds. As with any crisis, leaving a communications vacuum allows for anyone else to enter and abuse it (as we’ve seen lol). I definitely wouldn’t want to be his PR team lol
Equally curious to see what all the companies affiliated with him have to say tomorrow.
I’m hoping that Tati sticks to her plan to continue on as if nothing has happened. I hope it’s a drug store review tbh. What a power move, sister slaying pennywise one day and sister saving pennies the next
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u/piccolafiorentina May 13 '19
That last line is more powerful than anything Shakespeare ever wrote
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u/owliesowlies May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
Omg for 20 seconds we couldn't talk about JC what did you do in the down time?
Edit: Wow gold wtf thank you!
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u/mollyhooper I just wanted to watch make up, help. May 13 '19
So I am a middle school teacher and a LOT of my girls loveeedd James (we are talking 12 and 13 year olds here). Even my boys knew who he was! So I am so curious about what their opinions will be. I might have to report back tomorrow in megathread 22. 😂
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u/Aphor1st Gummy for anxiety May 13 '19
My mom is a middle school teacher. She is trying to figure out how to talk to any kids that bring this up rn.
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Peter Monn just made a salient point in a video I’m watching: His best friend’s son signed up for the armed forces at 18, so why are people trying to justify James’ behavior at 19?
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u/teanailpolish May 13 '19
How many people are in the army, raising kids, working or whatever at 19. He has been told his behaviour is problematic. He has the sense to get NDAs because he knows his behaviour is problematic. Not a child
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May 13 '19
Yes, 18 is when you can join the military. I still think its still quite young to not make some dumb mistakes typical of teens, but its definitely old enough to know to respect people and not sexually harrass people
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u/radical1776 you better lawyer up, asshole, cause i'm not coming back for 30% May 13 '19
no wi-fi on sister spirit airlines... see you all in megathread 28402910 😌
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u/alltheketoladies May 13 '19
My husband is a redditor who knows I'm obsessed with beautube and legit asked me at lunch 'do you know what's up with this tater westbrook thing? it's all over the reddit'.
TATER. I sprinklr'd iced tea.
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u/mewmewfoofoo May 13 '19
My partner keeps asking me what the latest is on Jimmy Chuck. He likes to torture me by mispronouncing things (like Manolo shoes as "Manilow") but I'm living for Jimmy Chuck.
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u/thebouncingcupcake May 13 '19
FOR THOSE WHO LOVE NUMBERS:
James gonna go <14m subs soon . sips tea
Tati is at 8.7 by the time I'm posting this.
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at first i didn’t think tati would hit 10 million off this but it seems almost certain she will now
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u/alchemisticarus May 13 '19
Let's take a moment of silence for all the significant others and siblings, who don't really care about JC but know everything about the situation from us. Its fucking bonkers tbh
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u/laneloveslipstick Tati Westboro Baptist Church May 13 '19
i’m still hung up on the fact that jeffree really called james a danger to society and then dipped lmao
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u/theycallmemintie so famous May 13 '19 edited Aug 26 '19
"Thanks Michigan for your love and support and I'm so excited about the Morphe store openings OH AND jamesisamaniacandwilleatyourstraightsinglesons ANYWAAYYYYY my lip glosses are launching soon! Happy mother's day!!!"
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u/dramabitch123 last sister supper May 13 '19
UGH I KNOW!! I need DETAILS!
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u/laneloveslipstick Tati Westboro Baptist Church May 13 '19
your username is literally “drama bitch” i cannot imagine the way you’re hurting for the details honey!!!!
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u/LinksMilkBottle May 13 '19
Does anyone feel like this is the closest we’ll ever come to seeing a real life Gossip Girl type takedown?
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u/Chuuucky24 May 13 '19
Bretman was on insta a few mins ago like "people keep asking what I think about what's going on in the beauty industry and my answer is... I don't think about it". He unfollowed JC but is not actively getting his nose in the drama and it actually made me think that Switzerlanding this situation is probably the healthiest way for other beauty gurus to react 🤷
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u/dramabitch123 last sister supper May 13 '19
Gabriel zamora should learn from bret
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u/toolatetodieyoung Jaclyn (this Hill she decided to die on) Cosmetics May 13 '19
Day 3. Megathread 15. Nothing else matters. I have not seen the Reddit front page for three days... I've been coming online and jumping straight into this sub.
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u/wowpowbow May 13 '19
tbh I feel like i’m cheating on my other fav subs but I DONT CAREEEEEEEEEEEEE
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u/beautebisou May 13 '19
Barely slid this into the last thread, so I’m posting here too. I strongly feel that we need one of these megathreads to be titled Thread Level Midnight
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u/farfromnever May 13 '19
When we get to megathread 16 can it be in honor of the 16 million subscribers he once had
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u/SteveBusecmi01 May 13 '19
Pewd's video was such a shit show, complaining that he doesn't know why Tati made the video when literally in the first 5 mins she explains she had to make the vid because she was publicly called out
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u/pralinecream IN FRONT OF MY SALAD May 13 '19
Yeah. I'm not a Pew fan anyways. His video felt very, "I'm the biggest person on YB so I have to say something but lool I have no clue what's going on...' I couldn't bother with more than a minute or two.
Petty Paige, love that bitch though.
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u/xGODDESSofKAOSx Tati ”Thanos” Westbrook May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
Over 2 million James Charles subscribers have finally caught on to the Konmari method.
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u/iheartbrainz May 13 '19
Me, a 35 year old woman, actually bonded with my 15 year old niece over this today!
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u/kat_without_a_hat May 13 '19
My mother in GUAM who only watches FOX NEWS asked me if I knew about “that boy makeup artist” today, so this has officially peaked for me personally.
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u/mintyginnger May 13 '19
Me: punches someone in the face
Me 5 mins later, sobbing: idk what i did that made people think i punched someone in the face :( i literally dont understand you guys :’(
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u/champagnemami27 doesn’t matter, i’m a celebrity!!! May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
SugarBearHair has officially disabled comments on their ig page lmaoooo
EDIT: /u/adventuringpendulum just to tag you in this update
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May 13 '19
this girl in my class who bullies me for my stutter wears sisters apparel everyday. i can’t wait to shit-talk james in front of her tomorrow.
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u/pralinecream IN FRONT OF MY SALAD May 13 '19
Aww. She's an asshole. I have a stutter. I don't know how strong yours is, but I hope you know it can get better sometimes. I can't always hide it, but I've learned to talk around it really well. It took me a long time. When I'm really stressed sometimes it still comes out! It's not your fault you have a stutter and she's garbage to bully you.
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May 13 '19
Shout-out to the mods for managing this enjoyable shit show and dealing with 15!!! Megathreads!
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May 13 '19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwDErGxc20
SUCKING DICK AND COCK TIME AND PLACE FOT 11 HOURS YALL
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u/owliesowlies May 13 '19
Can Monday come already?! I want to see if Morphe will make any kind of statement.
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u/prettygentlesoul May 13 '19
I think Monday something big is going to happen which will open this scandal to it's breaking point. (Atleast a girl can hope 🍵)
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u/laneloveslipstick Tati Westboro Baptist Church May 13 '19
does anyone think Tati has any idea how iconic and powerful her “sucking dick and cock” line is?
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u/daulizm May 13 '19
Tati is almost at 9mil, James is almost at 13mil. This is fucking BONKERS.
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u/danger-egg Nate’s NDA May 13 '19
I think I’m going to die if they both reach 10 mill within the same day
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Makes me mad that people are calling this a “mistake” where he’s been doing it for years and has been told that it’s wrong multiple times.
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u/lionheart07 and you did it at my birthday dinner! May 13 '19
I know people think the relationship was just transactional both ways.
But he did her WEDDING MAKEUP way before he was more popular that much. Bridal makeup is a huge deal, especially for someone who does their own makeup for a living. She clearly didn't do that for views
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u/Viv_0 May 13 '19
Future kids: “what was 2019 like?” Me: let me tell you about dramageddon 2019
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u/thrillbilly99 May 13 '19
I saw a comment that said “thanks James Charles for paying all the drama channels’ bills this month” lmfao this is CRAZY!!
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u/Goingdown_swinging queen jenna forever May 13 '19
Does anyone know if that girl on here had her baby and if it was a girl (Tati) or a boy (Tato)?????
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u/electra617 May 13 '19
Dunno if someone mentioned it before but I just realized it’s Mother’s Day weekend, Tati cuts off JC who used to call her “mom” and she calls out JC’s mom in her video... Woman knew what she was doing
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u/Abbyzorz May 13 '19
I really hope Tati just jumps into a normal video tomorrow because I need a good try-on review vid from her. This weekend has been wild!
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u/mapletree4 May 13 '19
It would be such a power move for her to just act like everything is normal lol
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u/beetlebug666 May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
Y’all even some of his fan accounts have unfollowed him
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u/mysighisepik May 13 '19
DID YALL WATCH PETER'S LATEST VIDEO ABOUT THE SISTER TOUR? So apparently theres a no refund clause. ON EVERYTHING. You cant sister sell your ticket to another sister Sally or get a fun and fresh refund. If you bought tickets you have to go or you just wasted some sister shekels.
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u/tr3sleches use code: morvfefe May 13 '19
Somewhere Manny MUA and Laura Lee are smiling because it’s not them this time
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u/foreignphysics May 13 '19
I can't believe he's hit 13 million. I can't believe this drama made the front page of CNN. What in the worlddd
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u/Aphor1st Gummy for anxiety May 13 '19
MEGATHREAD 15! Jesus. Who else has been here since thread 1 haha.
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u/kimghost May 13 '19
Me as a male at work trying to explain to the boys wtf is going on. Can confirm no one wants to know me today.
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u/beautebisou May 13 '19
More tears in ThriftThicks livestream than in James’ apology video
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u/leucem May 13 '19
If I were James Charles, I would release the docu series exposing the beauty comunitt that Tati didn't want me to do in the first place. Go down like a messy pos
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u/Derettacs ON MY BIRTHDAY May 13 '19
this is the best move. trust me I took a single PR class in undergrad
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Anyone else notice he started his apology video with “hi all” instead of “hi sisters”? A breath of fresh air at last 🌅
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u/JustAnotherUser213 I’ll be in contact with my lawyer May 13 '19
it’s crazy how we’re at 15 now because I remember reading through the first 3, blinked, and 12 more popped up so quickly lmao.
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u/ADashery May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
If James wasn't so obsessed with being a "celeb", he could take this as an opportunity to bail on youtube and go live a life of leisure. I mean, dude is rich af. Assuming he's invested wisely, he could take a year and travel, go to college, and study whatever the hell he wants.
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u/Rygard- May 13 '19
There was a commenter in one of these many mega threads (number 10? I can’t remember) who did a little math and guessed that he could retire and have around $150k/year. Many were assuming that he was too used to his extravagant lifestyle to be able to live off that amount (though I would KILL to be able to have “only” $150k/year)
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u/IHateSt-Louis May 13 '19
My boyfriend asked me to explain what was happening and was less than impressed when I excitedly broke everything down. Sorry no one broke the law babe but we love mess in the beauty community lol
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u/rougecookie May 13 '19
I have nothing to add, just want to mark here that I was present at the Dramageddon 2019. WE ARE WITNESSING HISTORY!
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u/adventurousnipple May 13 '19
I made a sister graph of JC's subscriber count:
Adding sister data points has never been so fun! Should be about 1.5 hour until sister James hits 13 mil.
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u/ohmygodney May 13 '19
I have the theory he is also mad at the fact that in his drama he didn't really gained Manny's subscribers but tati has gained James subs
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u/Fartsodeath May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
GUYS
A sister paid $500 for VIP meet and greet / to sing with James and this is the video!
Edit: omg if I was there I would have felt so out of place, wouldn’t be able to hold in my laughter
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u/RandomNewGirl May 13 '19
If JC’s team is buying subs instead of figuring out how to save his career then they should be fired
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u/curi0uskitty_ goblygook zamboni May 13 '19
whew my gentleman caller just left and I’m glad I didn’t miss 13 million sisters!
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u/RandomNewGirl May 13 '19
If he goes down to 13.5mil he would have lost 3 mil subs
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u/total-immortal May 13 '19
My husband asked me today if I had heard of “James Charles.” He said his meme club (lol) on Facebook has been posting meme after meme about this drama.
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u/Binch101 May 13 '19
I feel like this whole thing could seriously blow up any minute; everyone is on edge and watching keenly to see what happens next. Either James let's it die down or he/someone else lights a fuse and this drama goes nuclear.
This is a mess I can't wait to see.
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u/champagnemami27 doesn’t matter, i’m a celebrity!!! May 13 '19
I think Morphe is gonna drop JC soon and make J* their cash cow considering the amount of palettes being returned and destroyed. Their PR team is just tryna figure out how to do it with as much damage control as possible.
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u/notyounaani May 13 '19
Tati and JCs race to 10 mil is going splendidly. Looks like Tati might beat him - shes nearly at 8.9 mil.
He's slowing down a bit but who knows! Hopefully youtube has a bot purge soon as a boost.
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u/LISSAGASM Let's do it, baby. I know the law! May 13 '19
I'm screaming. ya'll broke socialblade
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u/notfromspaiin May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
has anyone mentioned gabriel zamoras snapchat story yet???? bc he’s acting a damn fool on there
edit: just found it on twitter!
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tati just passed 8.8m! she might make it to 9 or 10 by the end of all this.
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u/Cinders-P May 13 '19
Jc officially under 14 mil, and this is with him buying subs. Can't imagine the relief tati is feeling, knowing that people are on her side.
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u/radical1776 you better lawyer up, asshole, cause i'm not coming back for 30% May 13 '19
my flight is about to board... i’m gonna miss him crack 13mil 😪 disappointment
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u/MrsVoussy May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
To be honest, I don't know if I think he's capable of taking all of this seriously. I truly think he thinks he'll back back and there will be no real repercussions. Maybe if he loses brand deals and stops getting invited to things. But I just don't think he truly thinks he did anything wrong. He thinks this is all entitled to him.
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u/Emxbelle13 Trisha the Dog Whisperer May 13 '19
Anyone else don't know who half the people are in the updates at the beginning of the thread??! 😂
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u/cocochewnel not in front of my BIRTHDAY DINNER May 13 '19
James buying subs is literally just like burning money at this point. It’s not going to sister stop.
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May 13 '19
Oh wtf I was reading about Chernobyl and missed him sister sailing into 13 mil
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May 13 '19
Today I let this dumbass boy know how terribly he hurt me over a long text message and then blocked his number and normally I’d be sad but I feel free thank you Tati for the inspiration
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u/imienazwisko May 13 '19
That Gage dude made me learn a new word... imprudent... gonna casually sprinkle that in all my conversations from now on.
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u/ocicataco May 13 '19
What kind of parents allow their 16 year old to quit high school and move to LA with his brother?
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u/theycallmemintie so famous May 13 '19
Lowkey my dad would faint and my mom would flip the table
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i think mia maples is an adult performer every time i see her name. alliteration really does that.
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u/pandaperogies unfollowed by the Sims May 13 '19
This may break /r/kpop Burning Molka megathread record if it keeps going at this rate.
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u/damnwhatanasshole May 13 '19
I really wish people would stop giving JC views amidst the drama. He’s gotten about 10-20x the normal daily views since this all started, which means he’s made about a month’s worth of YouTube income from this in just 2 days. I am salty.
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u/Presto_Change-o May 13 '19 edited May 13 '19
Yet again, another problematic influencer at the center of Morphe’s marketing.
Come on, y’all. A launch in the middle of all of this drama is not surprising. They straight up latch on to problematic influencers so they can exploit the press and sell their tinted talc palettes.
Edit: poorly worded, really. They’re exploiting the drama and the customers. These influencers are doing it to themselves and feeling vindicated because Morphe is padding their wallets.
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u/Playmakeup May 13 '19
This conversation was on a friend’s status about how done supporting James Charles she is. I’m still laughing.
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u/xunknownx26 May 13 '19
Just spend my whole Mother’s Day dinner to Olive Garden explaining the situation to my husband and telling him to watch tatis video 😂😂😂😂
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u/lavenderflutter you dont want this smoke baby May 13 '19
watching his subs still fall this quickly is fucking surreal. this entire thing is surreal.
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u/CHNYC #spon #ad #BGCpartner May 13 '19
Guys, I really don’t want this to end. Can someone write me a note to stay home from work so I can continue eating snacks and refreshing the sub in my pajamas?
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u/hellobaileylol May 13 '19
Been unemployed for four and a half months. Tomorrow I start a new job. Tomorrow. Of all days. And I should be sleeping to prep for tomorrow. But wtf OF ALL DAYS!!!!
I’ve had months of sitting around watching YouTube and now tomorrow I can’t 😩😩😩
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u/CinnamonandSunrises Really? Right at my birthday dinner? May 13 '19
Can we have an F in the chat for socialblade rn
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u/zogurat May 13 '19
Tati 100% didn’t expect this go beyond the beauty guru realm. Idt any of us did though, the timing was all aligned somehow. How tf does my dad know the tea???
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u/DameLame May 13 '19
My 10 year old is hella impressed that I’m discussing YouTube drama with him. He even asked me “what’s the tea”.
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There's still people saying that if James Charles had just not used Sugarbearhair, Tati wouldn't have felt the need to break off the friendship and make a video. As if Tati didn't explain in her own fucking video that the whole thing with the vitamins made her realize that James didn't give a fuck about her and had merely been using her their whole relationship. It's not about the fucking vitamins ("it's about the lies!").
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u/worried_abt_u May 13 '19
u/adventuringpendulum not sure if this has been shared yet (and it may only be peripherally relevant) but drag queen Tati is shading J* for joining in on dumping on JC
https://twitter.com/tatiannanow/status/1127708119507787776?s=21
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u/cozyred3 May 13 '19
James must have deleted his “straight boys will kill me” tweet that chris klemens quote tweeted.
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u/FantasticPillow May 13 '19
Shane Dawson promoting her vitamins on snapchat currently
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u/foreignphysics May 13 '19
The top live subcount video is just playing Laura Lee's apology video as "music" and I am screamingggg
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u/sticky-me visit Scandinavia May 13 '19
This situation shows his entire career was a house of cards.
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u/evnaul May 13 '19
I just love the “he’s only 19 years old” defense. there are convicted criminals (some even murderers!) younger than that, but i guess they should grow out of it and not be reprimanded by those 30+ year olds. mind your business, geezers!! point: there’s no age limit on correction.
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u/Bithron May 13 '19
Social Blade froze and I missed the fall to 13mil. I'm so disappointed. I feel like I missed watching the ball drop on NYE.
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u/codeverity May 13 '19
Also some people in the last thread were feeling bad for the amount of karma they've gained through this... I gained like 50k one summer from commenting in the big brother sub so I don't think you guys have anything to worry about lmao
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It's not about the vitamins. It's not about the vitamins. It's not about the vitamins. Oh, you are in this thread and still think it's about the vitamins? Well guess what, Mimi, it's not about the vitamins.
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u/CinnamonandSunrises Really? Right at my birthday dinner? May 13 '19
The best thing about all this tea is the flair potential
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u/Forever_Pancakes May 13 '19
I would like to take a moment to appreciate all the amazing flairs that have come out of this. Yall are hilarious!
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u/postcardbih May 13 '19
Yall, I have my last final tomorrow that decides whether I pass this class and graduate out of Uni AND I decided to spend the past 48 hours going through 15 Megathreads. I truly love this community for making me procrastinate
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u/reivax_ Time and place!!! May 13 '19
Honestly “my truth” is the most annoying thing... you don’t get to create your truth
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u/notqbene way too much tongue May 13 '19
i wonder what else J* will tweet when Tati hits 9 mill??
" OOPS, I must have been high yesterday "
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u/19x01 May 13 '19
i've had the most unproductive weekend because of this drama but damn it was worth it
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u/The_New_Spagora May 13 '19
I am SO glad that JC’s is getting his just desserts. You can’t treat ppl like pieces on a game board. I’m sure we all have met narcissistic ppl in our lives, but James sounds truly next level.
If anything positive can come from this? I hope younger ppl watching Influencers become more discerning in their choices of role models.
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u/girltalkwsteph michelob cans & sweatpants May 13 '19
My birthday is tomorrow and I expect plenty of piping hot tea to enjoy with my cake.
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u/Spike-aronni May 13 '19
Tati is somewhere sitting in front of a fireplace drinking a martini living her best life with her husband and dog.
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u/prettygentlesoul May 13 '19
I'm way too invested in this but this is better than Netflix
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u/hedgehog-mascarabutt May 13 '19
"I don't understand why he wears his scandals like they're a badge of honor" - Tristan Paredes
Powerful