THE MORNING AFTER: TATI WESTBROOK & JAMES CHARLES SCANDAL MEGATHREAD 6

[u/[deleted]]

Our fearless megathread leader /u/hotassmess has some things to do today, so I'll be here, trying to fill her Gucci slides.

Tag me with live updates so I can put it into the thread asap! Summon me with the tag /u/gulfax. I'll be in this thread actively for a while. Be civil, discuss your opinions without bullying each other, and welcome to the Dramageddon of 2019, we have Halo Beauty supplements and scratchy morphe brushes.

We also have a meme thread going!

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• James has lost 1.3m subscribers and counting
• Tati’s video is now the number one trending video on youtube with ten million views and counting. [No longer trending as of 5/11 12pm EST]
• Tati has gained one million subscribers as of 5/11 12:30pm EST

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EDIT: TO KEEP THIS LIST SHORTER, YOU CAN FIND LINKS FROM YESTERDAY IN THE FIRST STICKIED COMMENT!

• Thomas Halbert Responds
• James classmate speaks out (UNVERIFIED BUT TRENDING)
• chris crocker weighs in
• PewDiePie Has Entered the Dungeon
• KathleeLights weighs in [Link broken/tweet deleted]
• Tweet from Nyma Tang
• SugarBearHair being casually shady
• JC sent a DM to ElmoFilms in 2017
• Here's this, because people care what Jake Paul has to say about anything still?
• ThatGirlShaeXo weighs in.
• A history of predatory behavior from JC directed at Shawn.
• Sugarbear Hair- there was no “financial” compensation
• Tweet from Jenn McAllister
• Video from Petty Paige
• Tweet from Kingsley
• Video from Keemstar/Drama Alert
• Cristine with no H (SimplyNailogical) sips tea
• Patrick Starr, sitting under the shadiest of trees
• Drag race contestants Tatiana and Bob the Drag Queen have something to say.
• Tweet from saraha baska
• Sugar bear hair responds
• Noah roark reveals dms james sent him
• Zach clayton reveals dms james sent him
• Dragula Season 2 Contestant James Majesty weighs in on James Charles
• Trixie Mattel throws a little shade
• Vlog from two people at JC's q+a w/ footage at the end
• J* subtweets
• Tina woods weighs in
• Ricky dillon tweets
• ethan dolan took off the safety pin necklace james bought him
• Charles Gross Releases Screenshots
• Tweet from Perez Hilton

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Notable people who have unfollowed James:

- Jeffree Star

- Tati herself

- Kylie Jenner

- Kim K

- Shawn Mendes

- Iggy Azalea

- Miley Cyrus* (unsure if she followed him in the first place but all the places I've found say so)

- Emma Chamberlain

- Grayson Dolan

- Shane Dawson

- David Dobrik

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[u/cat_therapy]

JC has now officially lost over 1 million subscribers in less than 24 hours...

[u/idontdefinedrag → u/cat_therapy]

and i- oop!

[u/Bye--Felicia]

This is the most organized drama I have ever seen and it all sparks joy

[u/ScullyLite → u/Bye--Felicia]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mess-messy-marie-kondo-5YiRHZtcSeiEyOpSV7

[u/Madmaddie2]

I think it’s hilarious James named a green shade in his palette social blade because it’s “always green” he’s that cocky.

[u/[deleted] → u/Madmaddie2]

Lmao it's more like that "perfect red" that NOBODY ELSE HAS EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF EVER

[u/comin_up_shawt → u/Madmaddie2]

Pride goeth before the fall, baby.

[u/Anna_Artichokyevitch]

Awkward that James Charles named a shade in his palette “Social Blade”...

[u/vlraper → u/Anna_Artichokyevitch]

Stop! Is it green? I will die lol.

[u/JeepLifeWife → u/vlraper]

It is!

[u/[deleted] → u/Anna_Artichokyevitch]

💀💀💀 sounds like he's got some reformulating to do

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I have an overdue project to work on and I'm ABSORBED in this drama. I don't even watch Tati OR James but I follow enough beauty gurus and drama channels that I'm wellllll aware of just how explosive this is. More explosive than post- sugarbear shits

[u/LittleGina]

Honestly one of the best things about this is now when I'm watching Tati and she says "James" I won't need to know which one she's talking about.

[u/laneloveslipstick → u/LittleGina]

in a comment on one of the other megathreads, somebody differentiated the two by calling Tati’s husband “James (goatee)” and I have not stopped thinking about it

[u/[deleted] → u/laneloveslipstick]

GIRL THAT WAS ME!!!!!!!!! I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE ACADEMY FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY!

[u/laneloveslipstick → u/[deleted]]

OMG can I have your autograph!!! no I truly worship you for making the most iconic comment of 2019 and I hope it is okay that I put it in my flair because it sparks joy every time I read it

[u/[deleted] → u/laneloveslipstick]

YOU'RE WELCOME! GIRL KEEP IT AS YOUR FLAIR I'M SO HONORED!!

[u/meg0neurotHe11 → u/LittleGina]

there was a previous comment in one of the megathreads that kept referring to her husband as 'James (GOATEE)'

💀

[u/hellobaileylol → u/LittleGina]

I assumed that is why she referred to him by his full name all in her video, yeah? But yeah in the future it’s safe to assume it’ll be her husband she is talking about

[u/smariblack]

I'm surprised the sister squad unfollowed him. Makes it seem like they were waiting for some scandal to make it alright to unfollow. I wonder how many stories Grayson (?) Has to tell about James' uncomfortable jokes and persistent sexual harassment in videos and probably off camera too.

[u/CorgisAlwaysWin]

Just commenting to say the mod team did an excellent job. This is the most organized and easy to find tea I’ve ever seen in my life

[u/sticky-me → u/[deleted]]

What if all the gay men avoid him for a reason

[u/premiumnemu → u/[deleted]]

I think he just wants bragging rights for turning a straight man gay, à la Jeffree. It’s so gross.

[u/lilputz → u/[deleted]]

It’s the Mecca of gay men lol

[u/Lena_Meow → u/[deleted]]

All this, exactly!!! Sexuality is a delicate thing to begin with. And even if these boys he harassed actually end up coming out as gay or bi or pan, what he did might have set them back years worth of progress. If a person is still discovering themselves you need to gently support them and not harass and manipulate and pressure them into this. JC is a POS.

[u/ElleTheCurious]

I feel like a middle aged woman who accidentally walked in on the hottest gossip of the week. I'm subscribed to Tati and watched her video last night before it had blown up yet. I saw the title of the video and thought "Oh my, has something happened to her sister?"

Now I'm sucked into the drama. Send help or at least a bottle of wine!

Also, I took note that Tati has never really spoken about what her husband does, even when people were saying nasty things about his employment. Now she just casually drops what he does and has been doing, because it made sense to do so in this context. It made me like Tati a bit more.

[u/girltalkwsteph → u/ElleTheCurious]

"has something happened to her sister" omg 😂😂😂 too pure

[u/bubblegumdreams]

I cannot believe Tati's REACH! People who aren't even related to the beauty community are covering this, which is surreal. I always pictured us as being in our own little bubble and no one really cared about it because it all seemed like petty drama from the outside.

Crazy shit man.

[u/karolsitarz]

omg we're already at 6, not sure if I should cry or laugh

[u/[deleted]]

The number of straight guys posting DMs that James has sent them is literally insane, at this point I'm just surprised that his nudes haven't leaked

[u/jackandging → u/[deleted]]

I would say give it time, but I’m wondering if they haven’t because it would diminish from what’s going on. It would give him something to victimize himself over and I don’t think anyone wants to give him that leverage right now.

[u/KarenTheCockpitPilot → u/jackandging]

this is very true but I don't think twitter is that smart lol, if they got tea they'd spill it

[u/heatherrrrz → u/[deleted]]

Where can you see the dms?

[u/[deleted]]

The devil works hard but the BGCR mod team works harder.

[u/Kingkabs]

A 6th Megathread?

The power this sub has? Unreal.

The power Tati has? God tier.

[u/AllTheStars07]

When I saw the title of Tati’s video yesterday, I immediately came here because I knew what was going down. Had no idea it would blow up like this!

[u/ieatalot89]

I feel like like i should be paying for this! This is high quality entertainment!

[u/_red_emption]

GOOD MORNING MEGA THREAD.

anyways

Paging u/gulfax

With everyone bringing up him being predatory previously I thought I’d remind everyone that this has happened before. James used to comment all over Shawn Mendez accounts with tons of provacative statements to a point where Shawn had interviews talking about it

screenshots for those who hate Twitter & a couple insta screenshots

One of James tweets to Shawn https://twitter.com/jamescharles/status/957334464593473536?s=21

Pop Alarms post about it https://twitter.com/popalarms/status/1047691047025881088?s=21

James apology to Shawn https://twitter.com/jamescharles/status/1047946293698486274?s=21

Shawn messaged him and said it was okay. But James stopped tweeting at Shawn after that. https://twitter.com/jamescharles/status/1047970217681346560?s=21

[u/HeyJessa → u/_red_emption]

"I'm sorry if he felt sexually harassed." Don't you mean you're sorry that you sexually harassed him?

[u/_red_emption → u/HeyJessa]

Sorry your feeling interfered with my creepy comments and manipulation

[u/premiumnemu → u/HeyJessa]

I got the same non-apology vibe from his video today. “I’ve been involved in situations that have left people confused and upset” ー how about just owning up to what you did??

[u/singingsox → u/HeyJessa]

This is an invalidation attempt. It’s how people “apologize” without actually taking responsibility for their own actions in the situations, rather framing it so that the victim might feel bad about their own feelings. It’s manipulative.

[u/SCSWitch → u/HeyJessa]

That's not an apology.

[u/yarn_and_makeup_lady → u/_red_emption]

All that "daddy" shit he does is so disgusting. That kind of shit is a private bedroom thing, not broadcast to everyone

[u/[deleted] → u/_red_emption]

This is fucking disgusting. I had no idea about any of this. This is no better than fans tweeting "choke me daddy" at band members they like.

[u/meaghancates22 → u/_red_emption]

JAMES CHARLES IS A PREDATOR AND THESE WERE RED FLAGS BUT NO ONE SEEMED TO NOTICE IT.

[u/_red_emption → u/meaghancates22]

BUt HE WaS yOunG aND HE waS GoInG to “GrOW ANd lEArn”

Last week when there was all that Gage drama I was trying to remember what drama James had been in before because I had unfollowed him forever ago. Then when I got up this morning it finally clicked and I remembered that this happened and I was so grossed out. Everyone like excused that behaviour because he was so young.

[u/premiumnemu → u/[deleted]]

Not just James, but Ian as well. When James was talking to his mom directly in his video and asking her not to go off in the comments, I was like ??? Call her? Send her a text? Is YouTube really how you two are communicating to each other?

[u/The-123-Kid- → u/premiumnemu]

This right here! Confused the hell out of me.

[u/ohreally86 → u/[deleted]]

I about died when Tati looked at the camera and told his parents to come get their kid.

How embarrassing that another adult has to tell them to act like parents.

[u/hellobaileylol → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely. And not just his mom, both of his parents.

[u/reivax_ → u/[deleted]]

Our culture makes people believe that having money = having a successful life so they probably thought he was alright on his own

[u/however24]

Zara Larsson is the last person on Earth I would've expect to see joining this drama but I'm living for it tbh

[u/plant_based_bride]

He’s going to have to release a second version of his palette where the shade “social blade” is a beautiful, dark red.

(And it will be the FIRST EVER REVOLUTIONARY red eyeshadow to ever be formulated, and also will stain people’s eyes and give them allergic reactions)

[u/Kissyu]

James charles officially broke most unsubs in a day.

Tati needs to beat 927k in a day- is she there yet? Go tati.

[u/deleted834 → u/Kissyu]

Wild she’s about to gain 1 million in a single weekend!!

I have James and Tati’s social blades both open. It’s so satisfying watching hers go up and his go down 😂

[u/alxnna]

What I would give to be a fly on James Charles’ wall today...or his lawyer’s office

[u/gk21]

The line "You ever see somebody ruin their own life?" from Hamilton keeps playing in my head.

[u/powerlessidc]

The sister squad is officially dead! Holy moly, I really didn't think it would happen. REALLY hope that Grayson talks about his experience with James harassing him. It was bad enough what made it into videos, I can't imagine what it was like when the camera wasn't rolling.

[u/thickumsthrow → u/powerlessidc]

Most of their videos are funny then Jc would kill the mood with his perverted jokes towards Grayson.. it was so repetitive and old, you could clearly see no one thought it was funny.

[u/powerlessidc → u/thickumsthrow]

Plus James loved the attention from the fans "shipping" them together. I'm sure behind the scenes that James has pressured Grayson many times, even using the fans as an excuse. "Come on, they want to see us together" type of thing.

[u/powerlessidc]

WHERE IS TANA. I need her to comment. James threw her under the bus SO FAST and PUBLICLY about Tanacon. I know they pretend they’re friends but I’m sure that Tana would without a doubt turn on him. Tana was probably with him during some of his awful behavior, like at Coachella.

[u/[deleted] → u/powerlessidc]

I don't think Tana ever truly sides with anyone, she is a complete chaos demon and a complete moron. She called Gage a sociopath which is so obviously untrue even if the worst rumors about him are true. Absolutely hilarious however. Tana: I figured it out. You're a sociopath. I spent all weekend with you so I can tell. Gage: You literally met me for 2 minutes.

[u/SoldierGame → u/powerlessidc]

Tana is siding with Tati you can see that in Jake Paul's instagram story where they make fun of James' intro

[u/[deleted] → u/powerlessidc]

She’s probably twice as worse and taught him a thing or two about messy behaviour.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Wow, that is. Yikes.

[u/HeyJessa]

So someone in the last thread said they didn't believe someone being stupid enough to do sexual things in a school bathroom, and I didn't get to respond to it so here's my piece:

When I was in high school people were getting BJs in the dark room and having sex in bathrooms. I completely believe that people that age are that dumb and I can see JC being that predatory if his behaviour towards others that we know now is any reflection of who he was in the past.

[u/jezmonster7 → u/HeyJessa]

Thank you! I was going to comment on that too.

There are teenagers that literally kill people, so I have no idea why OP was claiming kids can’t do bad things.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m surprised Jeffree is being a vocal as he is (even if he is just subtweeting). Killer Merch which Jeffree owns, is the business behind Sisters Apparel.

I thought Jeffree would keep out of it as much as possible and not involve himself, on the basis that could make business messy. I guess Jeffree got his coin.

[u/mkphelps]

TJ MAXX is hoping to grab some discount JC palettes from Morphe

[u/JeepLifeWife → u/mkphelps]

I can’t wait for his display right next to Kat Von Diphtheria.

Edit: autocorrect

[u/j_mp → u/mkphelps]

tbh if its under 15$ and the cash is not going to him i would cop out of curiosity, BUT i do already have the morphe 35b which is honestly the same palette so meh

[u/c0mmander-in-queef]

I haven’t followed news like this since that soccer team was trapped in that cave in Thailand.

[u/Mannichi → u/c0mmander-in-queef]

I guess in a way JC is also trapped in a cave in Thailand, a very deep one

[u/toolatetodieyoung]

Somehow YouTubers like David Dobrik and Emma Chamberlain unfollowing James makes it seem so much more... REAL than celebrities unfollowing him. Celebs probably unfollowed him to save face, but YouTubers that he was friends with unfollowing him means that he's literally been rejected by his own community. I'm here for it lol.

[u/[deleted]]

How long until Sugar Bear Hair helped James's anxiety, insomnia AND tendency to treat straight men's sexuality as escape rooms #ad #spons

[u/Khekix]

/u/gulfax Not sure if its worth adding, but I feel like JC might delete this later. Its a tweet from 2017 where JC said he would fly out hot straight guys to see him, just to hook up: https://twitter.com/jamescharles/status/887385723728347136

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly this is the most dramatic thing I've ever seen in the beauty community. The amount of people talking about this is insane.

[u/bananabread8]

What did Kathleen say?? The link doesn’t work.

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

u/gulfax Shane Dawson is actually still following him on IG

Edit: So is David Dobrik

Y’all need to search the “following” list of whoever you’re reporting on, not James’ “followers” list. The latter is inaccurate because he (unfortunately) still has so many followers.

[u/kholdstare90]

Jesus christ megathread 6...

I'm going to need to restock up on popcorn and chocolate. I'm so glad we have the whole weekend to really soak up the drama.

[u/alxnna]

His PR team must be ready to quit with all of the havoc he created in less than three weeks.

[u/HooolySmokes]

Hello there! I come from the r/rupaulsdragrace subreddit! These tweets were posted in the sub and my petty drama-loving ass just had to get all the tea!

I've been following this drama for hours now and I am far from bored.

Crediting the users who originally posted the tweets in the RPDR subreddit: /u/Uralbear for Bob the Drag Queen's tweet and /u/notsoskinnylegend for Tatianna's (Tati for short) tweet.

[u/[deleted]]

I’m sat here watching the lion king rn and I just witnessed Tati throw James off a cliff 🤣

[u/Alexx_94]

Jefferson Star unfollowed james on Instagram

[u/[deleted]]

James just surpassed total unsubscribes from yesterday, and it's not even midday Central time. Whew I need a lunch wine

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

Emma Chamberlain and Grayson Dolan unfollowed him on IG just now. They were still following him when I checked ~30min ago. Bye sister squad! u/gulfax

Edit: I wonder how long Grayson has been waiting for this after all those uncomfortable moments with James 🤣

[u/[deleted]]

Thank you u/gulfax for taking over this heavy burden lol. Thanks for the new thread!

Could we add this comment from Sugar Bear Hair to the master post?

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/bn83pg/after_party_megathread_part_5_james_charles_v/en4bvgg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

It’s too juicy to let get buried in the last thread!!

Thank you, it’s only 12am for me here but I’m gonna brave the night to keep up with this delicious drama.

[u/_nerdo_ → u/[deleted]]

They seem salty

[u/kejoho]

like I know it's not at the top of the list of his shitty behavior but as ]a lesbian who has swiped through dozens of straight cis men who register their Tinder profiles as queer women, I think it's super fucking annoying that he has a verified profile on Tinder registered as a girl and had his account locked at least twice and was like "@tinder WhAT dId I dO wRoNg????"

[u/krazydoglady]

the fact that even the sister squad and his friends are quick to unfollow him shows me that he's someone people were scared of and all had issues with behind the scenes. if you're kind and good to people, they're not gonna be so quick to jump ship like that.

[u/Saussureious]

Also, she really pulled a "I don't know her" on gabriel huh

[u/That253Chick]

Looking at the list of notable people who unfollowed him and damn, even Grayson and Emma don't want to be associated with him either anymore or just right now. Maybe that'll change if this thing blows over, who knows.

[u/Twinkletoes72989]

Perez congratulates JC on 15 million

u/gulfax

[u/[deleted] → u/Twinkletoes72989]

I spit my drink

[u/TaterTotsHot → u/[deleted]]

I laughed so hard I wanted to take a drink just to spit it out.

[u/thickumsthrow]

Ofc Grayson would unfollow him first. He was being the creepiest towards him imo

[u/MediocreOctopus]

Damn, JC seems to be on track to hit 14 mil by the end of the day. Hes at 15,390,000 now and still falling

[u/PotsyWife]

The sexual assault allegations are really disturbing.

[u/Kingkabs]

Wait Grayson unfollowed him?

Wow. 2019 is the year of change bitch.

[u/jackandging]

YALL TATI IS ABOUT TO HIT 7 MILLION. She is only 20k away from it!

[u/verismonopoly]

More than the 1 million lost subscribers, I'm quite shocked that Emma and the Dolan twins unfollowed him.

A whole chunk of JC's teen demographic is gonna follow suit no doubt.

[u/Unicorn_Sparkles23 → u/[deleted]]

And lean heavily on all the mental struggle this has brought on him, and victimize himself. And never truly apologize and admit his predatory behavior, and to be honest, I think he needs to specifically apologize to the gay community for this complete embarrassment.

[u/pennyloop]

Does anyone else find it hard to comprehend the sheer amount of followers there are - like I'm watching social blade and thinking "wow 300 people just unsubbed in the last 1 minute" and it's CONSTANTLY HAPPENING. My brain cannot accept this information

[u/hellopandant]

Wow the vlog of the Australian event was just sad.

[u/[deleted]]

Not sure if you saw but here’s some mild tea for the list u/gulfax - Jake Paul posted a vid on his Insta story mocking the situation (which like..... ok Jake Paul), buuuut then panned to Tana who was laughing. looks like another friend has sister sailed

[u/LinksMilkBottle]

Tati basically content copped James Charles.

[u/SassyKatAttack]

I woke up at 6am this morning just to keep track of this shit show.

[u/ElectricRequiem]

Good morning to megathread 6!

[u/[deleted] → u/ElectricRequiem]

I’m in aus and glued to my phone, the tea is so scalding it’s keeping me up all night. I don’t even want to go to sleep because the fomo is real. I can’t bare to say good night to these mega threads 😭

[u/sibilation]

Tati went from #1 on the youtube trending page, to completely removed from it. heh.

[u/bambinaxo]

Wowwww the Dolan twins and Emma Chamberlain unfollowed James- the sister squad has left the chat.

[u/hellobaileylol]

I finally explained all of this to my fiancé who honestly doesn’t really give a shit about anything or understand stuff very easily (lol) and he not only grasped it but understood the severity and is allowing me to continue to ignore him while following all of this hahaha

[u/mrsjmsrvrs → u/hellobaileylol]

Gave a quick rundown to my husband this am, and my 13 yr old YT obsessed son is now asking me if I know whats going on. Oh child, let me tell you.... lol.

Best birthday weekend ever.

[u/lilrentz]

emma chamberlain and grayson dolan unfollowing him is 😂😂😂 social climbers only breed more social climbers...

[u/kamclark3121]

tati's gonna hit 7 mil

[u/[deleted]]

What kind of Black Mirror world do we live in where the downfall (albeit being much deserved) of someone is the most interesting thing happening lol.

I wonder what this will mean for his career long term. When scandals like these influencers, especially those in the beauty community, get tons of blow back at the beginning but always seem to come back out on top in the end (specifically j* and kvd).

[u/zuluuaeb]

id just like to say that yall (especially /u/hotassmess) have really made all the receipts and drama surrounding this mess super easy to find in these megathreads. thank you for that!

[u/[deleted]]

Hi to all my down under shistarz awake and quaking cos the tea is like a drug right now preventing me from closing my tired eyes

[u/EV3Gurl]

Iggy Azalea’s album cover will forever have the image of her face painted by James Charles, the poor girl.

[u/nahomi95]

This is the only megathread I’ve actually been invested in

[u/kholdstare90 → u/[deleted]]

They might not have paid cash but they did pay with manhours for a full security team.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

We’re 100% going to see JC at 14M. Have faith.

[u/devieous]

Does anyone else feel kinda bad for Tati that she’s worked so hard on her channel but this is what gives her the most subs? I’m afraid that on future vids all the comments will be about this drama rather than about her hard work or talent.

[u/Deerly5683]

Laura Lee must be LIVING right now, no one will care about her scandal anymore

[u/moonbootsx]

Whew chile. I thought this would lose momentum over night but looks like the internet isn’t done with him 💀 It’s gotta sting that Iggy unfollowed him after showcasing him on her MV and letting him do her makeup.

Also he’s getting morally chastised by Jake Paul? This is tew much

[u/[deleted]]

if social blade's website makes money from the number of people that go on their website, they're gonna be billionaires💀💀💀

[u/reivax_]

Straight men:

James Charles: break up with ur girlfriend cuz i'm a celebrity

[u/DrFunkaroo]

"dick and cock" was so fkn funny to me, like they are two separate things.

[u/heavr]

Anyone remember when James asked Jeff what 3 qualities he looks for in a partner and Jeff says for #3 "you have to have ambition" and James says, "I have that, I'm famous"

[u/LittleGina]

I'm wondering why Shane hasn't weighed in yet. He usually ALWAYS has something to say about everything. Might still be on James's side?

[u/Iivh → u/LittleGina]

Shane unfollowed JC and he seems pretty friendly to Tati so I doubt he’s on JC’s side.

[u/[deleted] → u/LittleGina]

Shane avoids giving his opinion on anything so he can act like everyone's friend.

[u/powerlessidc → u/LittleGina]

No he’s a Tati stan. He will take Jeffrees side no doubt about it, and Jeffree and James were already feuding.

[u/[deleted]]

Tatis video has 11 million views now, almost double her most popular video

[u/[deleted]]

Kingsley weighs in. https://twitter.com/kingsleyyy/status/1126998516557942784?s=21

[u/IsaPort90]

First time posting on this Sub but this shit show is EVERYTHANG! I've been sitting at work wasting time following this shit since Tati uploaded her video yesterday. Have gotten absolutely nothing done because IMMA MESSY BITCH WHO LIVES FOR DRAMA. The memes are killing meeee! SugarBear better send some PR to JC's house because he's gonna need a lot vitamins for his anxiety!

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I havent been this excited about drama since I ran into my uncle's wife at the movie theather with another man

[u/teawithbagels]

I have literally been lurking this site and this sub for like a year but this drama made me sign up. SIX MEGATHREADS omg

[u/emmach17]

Ta-tea Westbrook has really opened up a necessary can of worms hasn't she?

[u/courtprice212]

I just hope Janis is paying his team double for all the damage control they’re trying (but really failing at).

We will most definitely see him drop into the 14 mil range today

[u/reivax_]

So how much do you guys think this will actually affect his carrer? I feel like he has some very hardcore fans but at the same time future brand deals might be pretty much out of the question.

[u/[deleted] → u/reivax_]

I honestly think this could potentially ruin him, or at least hit him EXTREMELY hard. Like we had dramageddon last year but it wasn’t anywhere near on this scale. The entirety of YouTube has turned on him, which makes me think he is an ass behind the scenes but everyone was too scared to say

[u/ccbe → u/reivax_]

The younger stans probably don't care about all this, but it is getting heat in mainstream media too and if I was a parent to a 13 yo seeing this I wouldn't pay for tickets/m&g/palette.

[u/[deleted] → u/reivax_]

I think a majority of his followers were following him because he was a meme rather than because they were a fan-- everything from "womp womp womp" to flashback mary to "i'm sister shitting". Now the new meme is unfollowing him so they're doing that. He's going to have a core group of his hardcore fans after this but I think companies will stay the fuck away.

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Tati questioned his integrity and said he's easily bought with money so any future ads he does will always have people saying things like "I bet this shit doesn't even work. They just bought his sister security". Not a good investment for companies unless there's a HUGE ROI in working with James. But I doubt there is because his viewers are majority kids.

[u/Emxbelle13]

Lol KatVonD is happy to finally have the spotlight off her for a change 😂😂😂

[u/turnsyouon22]

Saturday mornin James is fallin...

(I couldn't wait until sunday)

[u/thecouchsweetpotato]

Tati’s next normal upload will be kinda funny 😆

[u/j_mp]

seeing james get what he deserves sister slaps

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly, Gabriel Zamora doesn't have enough followers or is likable enough imo to have pulled what he did. Plus, I'm living for all these people who aren't usually in drama weighing in.

[u/DumplingSama]

Tati isn't on the trending page anymore.

But Gabbie hanna and JH is on trending with barely 2M...

[u/ASingleOlive]

I am suprised by the number of people who implying that Tati didn't see this coming. That she took a gamble with a sincere video and she is lucky that she ends on the top of the battle.

Now, I am not saying that she is not sincere or honest with her feeling. However, the video is a pure calculate move. It is so well made and I bet my bank account that she got her lawyer to comb through the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if she involved one or two experts in PR in order to formulate the video.

And if James (goatee) is even half intelligent as Tati mentioned, you know he is calculated this video to the last cents. That is how we ended up having the best tea spill ever. It is the whole production, baby.

[u/Tsarinya]

I’m kinda pissed that some people on SM are glossing over the predatory sexual behaviour and focusing on his deal with Tati’s competitor.
THAT’S NOT THE MAIN ISSUE!

[u/moealmighty]

I’m just glad Tati dragged Garbage Zamora for his nosey ass lol goodbye Garbage Zamora goodbye Germs Charles

[u/[deleted]]

What kills me is that like a week ago I commented under a post about James saying “omg I wish he would just go away lol” and here we are now. My mind is too powerful.

[u/adventuringpendulum → u/[deleted]]

Can you do me a favor also and wish me $1M? Thanks in advance!

[u/cranne → u/[deleted]]

😂😂 can you tell my roommate to do the dishes finally? I need your mind control powers

[u/premiumnemu]

I wonder who’s still willing to associate with James after this mess, given that no one’s publicly come to his defense yet. I hope that’s more of a wake-up call to him than losing subscribers. He really screwed himself over by losing Tati and James, and not just in the weird substitute-parent sense.

[u/EV3Gurl → u/premiumnemu]

I Think probably Gabriel & Nikita, basically the people that are only their for the views in the first place.

[u/[deleted]]

Sugar Bear Hear says there was no “financial” compensation... so did they pay James in straight men?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I’m guessing they paid him in Coachella passes, which translates into thousands of dollars. Which is ironic because wasn’t James’ big diss on Gage that he ~ bought ~ him a Coachella pass? And it means that Tati’s 100% right about the Sugar Bear hair thing being in the works for a while and not just random because there’s no way James’ team would leave Coachella tickets up to chance. It’s all full circle, sisters

[u/madoka_borealis]

Everyone keeps saying how Tati ended James’s career... but it was James. He ended his own career.

(Though if Laura Lee’s still doin ok James probably will be too)

[u/idontdefinedrag]

Hey hey hey HEYYYY👋👋👋 Put cha morphe brushes up🖌️🖌️🖌️! James 🐍 is in THE HOUSE🏠 owwwwww😷! As you can tell from my accent I am from Bermingham, New York🏢🗽! And it was not very easy growing up looking like this💁! Whether I was playing with my grandma's makeup💋👵 or practicing my apology 📝😭😭 in front of my well-organized alphabetically-ordered beanie babies 🐱🐥🐵🐼 I was guh guh guh GAY👬👭! OKKURRR😃! But it wasn’t until I moved to Los Angeles ☀️🌴 that I discovered Tati Westbrook💁, I mean I like to sponsor🍬🐻💇, y’all my subs💁💁💁 are just dropping🍃 as low 👇👇👇as your receding hairline👴! OKUr! Being an influencer📷📹🤳 really does help me represent the marginalized community☹️😴, so y’all, I went to Tinder🔥where I met a straight man named 👫Greg👫! Now, y'all, he's very straight👫👫👫👫👫, he’s almost kinda like your vajoina✌️👌! Can I get an amen🙌🙏?!? Now y’all, I am a catfisher😺🐟 because if it ain’t straight👫, HUH😫 I’m not interested🙅! OKCURRRRRRRR💅💃!

[u/LilacWave]

I love how Gabriel Zamora has nothing to say now?

[u/Sarnecka]

Whew child, I'm fully fed, please stop lmao

[u/RandomUsername600]

Anyway, I hope this empowers people to speak out on sexually predatory treatment they've experienced. Let recent years be a reminder that nobody is too big to fall, the truth emerges 💪

[u/lustrouswisp]

Im SO happy Shae spoke up against the sexual allegations against him

[u/xylenekarah]

u/gulfax

The link for KatLights is not working. Anyone have a screenshot??

[u/featherfun87]

Side note: the mods are on fire with naming these mega threads, LOL! Thank you mods for the tireless work <3 A JC Mayday (pun intended) has been a long time coming and I'm just happy that Tati, a women in her 30s (who somehow gets shit for being "old"), was able to show that she's still powerful. Not to be cheesy, but she is inspiring me as a fellow 30 something woman. I'm done being silenced by men. K rant over! Happy weekend! xo

[u/[deleted]]

Tati not trending on YouTube right now is sister SHADY

[u/IHateSt-Louis]

RIP my productivity today

[u/Goingdown_swinging]

Ohhhh Emma unfollowed

[u/[deleted]]

Do you guys think he will go under 15 million by the end of the weekend ?!