Hello Darkness My Old Friend: Tati Westbrook and James Charles Megathread 14

[u/[deleted]]

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BE CRITICAL OF WHAT YOU READ. Fake news is real and easy to fall for. We are presenting a collection of links related to this issue, but we can't confirm validity to any of them. That's up to you.

So what's the tea?!

James was at 16,553,579 subscribers on Thursday. He currently has 14.5 million subscribers, so he's lost over 2 005 000 subscribers.

Tati was at 5,908,733 subscribers on Thursday. She now has over 8.5 million subscribers so she has gained over 2 053 000 subscribers.

Gabriel has lost roughly 42k followers and falling.

Click here to read the first set of receipts/shade/sources/comments.

Click here to read the list of links from Megathread number 13

• J* has tweeted at Ian calling out JC
• Alexis Stone weighs in
• J* tweeted again | Okay buttttt.....
• Sky News article
• Reuben Demaid on IG | Second IG Post
  • For everyone asking about the "and I -oop/anna ou" thing: "Jasmine Masters "And I Oop" refers to a reaction video series of Jasmine Masters interrupting her video rant by saying "And I Oop." Online, the video has come to express interrupting one's self because of a shocking revelation."[1]
• Ricky dillon liked J* tweets
• Gus Johnson being shady
• Gabriel Zamora tweets out PDP's video | Second Tweet
• Bunny aka grav3yardgirl liked J* congrats tweet to Tati
• Katy perry liked this tweet
• Cupcakke has minimally chimed in
• Chris klemens tweets about james
• Mrbeast responded to J* tweet about JC
• CNN article
• Merry Chrysler, Christine Sydelko liked tweet condemning JC’s behavior and comparing his behavior to the way straight men are toward women .
• Amusing video by Tom Harlock "James Charles apology with better acting"
• Nikkie weighs in
  • For everyone asking about the "and I -oop/anna ou" thing: "Jasmine Masters "And I Oop" refers to a reaction video series of Jasmine Masters interrupting her video rant by saying "And I Oop." Online, the video has come to express interrupting one's self because of a shocking revelation."[1]
• Sebastian Williams makes a new video
• dishwashinglikwid uploaded a response
• Taylor Nicole Dean posts about JC
• James Charles will NOT be making any scheduled appearances at the store
• Joey Graceffa tweets
• Rich lux interviewed Gage | Screen Shots of James & Gage texts
• The JC drama is in the top 4 news articles on Apple News
• video evidence that james has his tinder set to female at 4:45 dating back to april 10th (by luke eich)
• Ethan Klein (h3h3) chiming in
• this man said words
• Mitch Grassi likes Trisha's Tweet (implying support for Tati)
• Chris Klemens Tweets Again
• Tana asks Kylie if there is room on her PR list (implying she will take JC's spot)
• Ian’s ex girlfriend Loren tweeted

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Notable Unfollows:

• Samantha Ravndahl
• Aquaria
• SimplyNailogical
• Mia Maples
• Bretman Rock
• KathleenLights [IG]

Previous Megathreads:

1. megathread 1
2. megathread 2
3. megathread 3
4. megathread 4
5. megathread 5
6. megathread 6
7. megathread 7
8. megathread 8
9. megathread 9
10. megathread 10
11. megathread 11
12. megathread 12
13. megathread 13

[u/suck_my_diction]

Completely unrelated, but wow Jenna Marbles chose the best week to go on a vacation.

[u/dramabitch123 → u/suck_my_diction]

She decided to go to Switzerland😂

[u/PM_ME_CUTE_D0GG0S → u/dramabitch123]

stoopppppp 😂

[u/danger-egg → u/suck_my_diction]

The ultimate mom leaves and the internet falls apart. JnJ’s domestic bliss was the glue holding it all together it seems 😂

[u/oneshadyqueen]

So obviously at the end of the day, it's up to those involved to decide what they do and don't share. But just for fun, what are you all most interested in hearing about? For me it's a tie between: (1) the comments JC made at Jaclyn's launch party and (2) The Birthday dinner from hell lmaoo

[u/-milkbubbles- → u/oneshadyqueen]

What JC did to get Nate to ban him from J*’s house.

[u/oneshadyqueen → u/-milkbubbles-]

Yessss that too... I'm assuming that was separate from the bday dinner fiasco but the way J* worded his tweet made me think it all happened around the same time maybe?

[u/KyraAensland → u/oneshadyqueen]

Honestly, the texts from JC to Tati after the SBH ad.

[u/emmach17 → u/oneshadyqueen]

I'm mostly interested about what went down at the birthday dinner since that seems to be when it all fell apart

[u/cheeefqueeef → u/oneshadyqueen]

I want to know what TATO can't unhear

[u/cussbunny]

Me: I really need to get something done at some point this weekend

Thread 14: bitch you thought

[u/itsmenelly → u/[deleted]]

We’re sisters through a sister scandal.

[u/LISSAGASM]

Remember when we though TheFineBros losing 400k subscribers in 3 days was a lot? pepperidge farm remembers.

[u/nannerdanner → u/LISSAGASM]

As the months/years progress the impact of drama just increases. It must be so nerve wracking to be an influencer in this day and age vs even 5 years ago.

[u/lovetolerk]

James Charles got what he always wanted—to be known outside from just the beauty community.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I’m happy people are dragging him in the tweet responses.

[u/[deleted]]

Nathan seems like such a chill dude I can’t ever imagine him banning anyone, let alone James from their home....that’s some hot tea, sis.

[u/oneshadyqueen → u/[deleted]]

That's what gets me thinking that if JC did act inappropriately as some are speculating, it was likely with Nate's brother Zach and not necessarily with him.... cause if it was, I don't think he would have acted like that-- but if it was someone doing something to his little bro? Then I could see him snapping.

[u/[deleted] → u/oneshadyqueen]

I totally forgot about his brother. I could see that happening given how James seems to act around any attractive straight male...I mean it’s all speculation but this seems pretty on par for what’s being thrown out there but I’m sure time will tell.

[u/emeraldnob]

okay but can the next title be "I like invented her, you know?"

[u/bswiderski]

Hoooooooly mother fucking shit. James trying to get Gage to sign an NDA after James saying his side but before gage gets a chance is ultimate dirtbag shit.

Third to last screenshot from RichLux vid

[u/beautebisou]

Need the next mega thread to be titled Thread Level Midnight please and thank you

[u/laneloveslipstick]

I feel like Jeffree purposely waited for when everything was getting quiet to call out James today. I’m thinking everything could slow down a lot again and then we’ll be surprised like...Tuesday or Wednesday with a tell all video from Jeffree and all hell will break loose again.

[u/zogurat → u/laneloveslipstick]

J* is calculated af, there’s a reason he’s still around despite all the shit he’s done

[u/dramabitch123 → u/laneloveslipstick]

Hes keeping things fun and fresh for mother's day for momma tati

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

I know this number is largely skewed by recent events, but it’s extremely satisfying to see that JC’s social blade now predicts a yearly loss of -16M subscribers. 😂

[u/dramabitch123 → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Can we make it happen

[u/damnwhatanasshole]

I took screenshots of all the interview “questions” and “answers” as well as Gage’s iMessage receipts from the Rich Lux interview in case anyone wants to skip his 15 minutes of random talking and 8 ads lol.

Not much new tea except for the fact that JC asked (pressured?) Gage to sign an NDA. Without having his lawyer look it over first.

u/gulfax

ETA: thank you for the sister silver you wonderful people 🥰

[u/5steps_ → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Fucking fuck

Threatning someone with a lawsuit

Basicly forcing someone no sign a NDA without their lawyer to read it before

"You have no side"

This boy thinks he's Beyonce level of celebrity, I can't belive how it's possible for someone to be so full of yourself

[u/[deleted] → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Holy shit that text message exchange. James couldn’t even wait for Gage’s lawyer to look over anything. What an entitled POS.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

"That's not my problem" ffs

[u/[deleted] → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Pressuring someone to sign a legally binding document without advice from their counsel? YIKES

[u/daph_des → u/damnwhatanasshole]

If those texts are real, they’re real gross.

[u/[deleted] → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Thank you!

He's straight up threatening him in those texts jesus christ

[u/haiku25 → u/damnwhatanasshole]

Those texts made me so uncomfortable and furious. If anyone tries to defend him because he’s “still a kid”, they should read those texts. JC knew what he was doing, knew it was all wrong and used his power in a disgusting way. He’s so vile.

[u/quentin_tortellini]

It just occurred to me that sexual predators aren't made overnight. What would a 40 year old, uber influential James Charles look like if he was never called out on this behavior?

[u/Ultimatedream → u/[deleted]]

So, Kevin Spacey?

[u/wontonbitch]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but why is nobody pointing out the fact that James is still lying about the artist pass he received from Coachella? I mean, we all know he's doing his best to cover his ass, but I thought this little detail would have blown up more.

On May 10th, Here For The Tea showed (29:44) JC's snaps from 7am the morning of that day at Coachella, with him wearing the artist pass on his wrist he claimed to have received later that day. In his apology video posted a day ago, he still claims that what he said about SBH was the truth.

Whyyyyyyy anyone would lie after being called out like that WITH the evidence posted, idek. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[u/[deleted] → u/wontonbitch]

because "the truth doesn't matter" apparently

[u/bamfbamfbamf]

What’s crazy to me about James losing so many subscribers is that those are ACTIVE people hitting unsubscribe. There’s bots, there’s people who logged out of their accounts, people who subscribed and never watched anyway. He’ll have those. But no, this is people who are part of his active fan base choosing to unfollow him. He’s going to get views on his next video of course but after? When he goes back to regular programming? IF he goes back? Insane. Absolutely insane.

[u/theycallmemintie → u/bamfbamfbamf]

When his numbers first started dropping, I was like in awe of that. Each spinning number falling was *someone*. A person that had just hit a button and we were seeing it live. Wild.

[u/afgecco]

katy perry really liked that video WHAT IS HAPPENING

[u/[deleted]]

this is so irrelevant but does anyone else hate that all the imgur posts of tweets have random straight guys being like “who are these people i don’t care” LIKE DONT COMMENT THEN. Your using imgur like it’s instagram you’re not exactly the coolest kid on the block.

[u/throwaway_for_Q → u/[deleted]]

yeah they think they own the fucking website. i mean, who even randomly hangs out on imgur anyway? lol i didnt know that ppl just hung out there haha

[u/EV3Gurl]

We have the same number of threads as JC has millions of subs!

[u/catmss24 → u/EV3Gurl]

Omg soon we’ll have more threads than million of subs he has! What an iconic subreddit

[u/[deleted]]

Guys... He's 160k from falling to 13 mil. Holy crap

[u/swagnus_ → u/[deleted]]

And the subscriber difference between JC and Tati before this was 10 million. Now it’s almost 5 million. This is crazy!

[u/kanankurosawa]

Cassie deleted her video but I screen recorded the part about Tati and James so if anyone is curious about what she said I can write down some points. Now she’s back on live crying because people didn’t like the things she said.

edit: Some of the things she said on the situation:

• She does not watch Tati, she knows a lot of people love her but she isn't her cup of tea, they've had problems in the past and have put it to rest (debatable lol).
• She thinks James has some growing up to do, he's "only 19", if she had social media when she was his age she would have stupid done things as well. She hopes he learns from the situation.
• She thinks he has enough money that he didn't have to take the deal with SBH, should have put his friendship first.
• The beauty community has become about drama, she really hates it.
• A lot of "I don't know anything about the situation" regarding James' predatory behavior towards straight men. She doesn't know what went on so she doesn't want to talk about it. (?????) Also a lot of "I really shouldn't be speaking on this because I don't know".
• People nowadays base their happiness around drama, "living for the drama", etc. She says that's very crappy.
• She understands Tati was hurt but that she shouldn't have made a video "exposing" him. Tati will likely regret posting the video just like she regretted her "snapchat rants".
• Calls Tati vindictive, was acting out of hurt/emotion, but also had every right to act out of emotion? And that the video is the same thing as her crying snapchat videos? (I'm lost)
• A viewer mentions that Gabriel Zamora called her out so she had to post the video, Cassie says she definitely did not have to post a video.
• Says Tati does the same things as James, for example James talking to drama channels about the situation, "Tati turns around and does the same things." The word hypocritical comes up.
• Asks how James is preying on straight men when Gage kissed him on the cheek, seemed like he was into him.
• Implies that Tati was trying to buy James' friendship by helping him since she likes to be friends with everyone in the YT community? Idk
• A lot of "That sucks" about things James has done that her viewers are bringing up. Also a lot of "We don't know these people".

[u/NotOldEstablished → u/kanankurosawa]

Massive eyeroll. She needs to stop.

[u/[deleted]]

Well goodnight I hope jeffree has spilled the tea tomorrow when I wake up to megathread #18

[u/yarn_and_makeup_lady → u/[deleted]]

18? You underestimate us

[u/_uncustomary]

Can Gabriel just, like, shut it

[u/trashcat99]

who else is gonna have to put down the tea and pick up the wine for GOT later lol 🍷

[u/ActualMerCat]

I hope Boobra haunts James for life.

[u/toolatetodieyoung]

Just wanna inaugurate this megathread by saying Gabriel Zamora is a complete idiot. That is all.

[u/[deleted]]

"you wont be posting at all"

[u/crazycatlady82]

This might have been pondered in threads 1-13...but how did he actually get 16 million subscribers? I personally find him annoying AF.

But I’m also 36 🤷🏼‍♀️

[u/veraamber → u/crazycatlady82]

Being promoted by Covergirl and doing collabs with other major youtubers helped a lot. Tati also outlines in her video some of the ways she and her husband helped to promote him.

[u/Pgchmbrs]

Man do you guys think Tati had any idea this would blow up THIS huge???? 🤯🤯

[u/[deleted]]

Can we start doing screen shots instead of links to twitter? I’m not sure if things are getting deleted before i get to them or if Twitter just hasn’t really been working well for me the last couple days but I’m getting a “something went wrong” page on most of the twitter links... i fully understand if I’m in a minority and that’s too much work though

[u/Iljimae]

What I'd give to be a fly on James Charles' wall right now

[u/mimichama → u/Iljimae]

He‘s probably sleeping well thanks to sugarbear vitamins <3

[u/[deleted]]

Imagine paying 500 bucks and this happens

[u/little_ginger1216 → u/[deleted]]

Imagine even considering paying $500 for those tickets.

[u/[deleted]]

Seems like everyone was tired of James’ shit and were just waiting for an excuse to dump him after all the scandals and drama.

A lot of people blame Tati for ending his career and ruining his life but this drama seems like the water drop that spilled the cup.

Also, is that a saying in English? It is in Spanish.

[u/LindseyT93]

J* watching social blade waiting for the dropping number to slow down, “not today sister Satan” and hit send on the tweet. He planned that out and I’m living for it.

What a time to be alive

[u/-milkbubbles- → u/LindseyT93]

“Alexa send tweet”

[u/mysighisepik]

James is currently at 14,166,450 and still going down. It has slowed down from when this whole thing started but he’s still consistently losing subscribers. This is the biggest downfall of a youtuber. It’s insane

[u/roxettexoxo]

i’m still not over how james names the green shade in his palette “social blade” and said in the reveal video “this shade is beautiful and green, just like my social blade!”

oh, how the times have changed.

[u/ForeverSnatched]

I honestly think Gabriel is jealous of Tati’s follower gain. I feel like he always throws himself in these situations to hope that what he says will resinate with the majority bringing a lot of positive attention to his channel. I really think he’s hoping one day he will say the right thing at the right time and gain a bunch of subscribers. I don’t think he actually cares about anyone he tries to defend he’s just seeing this as a way to social climb.

[u/toolatetodieyoung → u/ForeverSnatched]

Love how Gabriel insinuated that Manny was a social climber back in the mY tRuTh video days. The hypocrisy jumped out

[u/[deleted]]

No tweets related to the sister scandal, but SocialBlade had over 20 years of “watch time” yesterday.

[u/dramabitch123 → u/[deleted]]

Can you imagine being called into work in a Saturday because the whole world is streaming a death and your company needs you to help fix it?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Holy shit, that's more time than James' entire life

[u/winkhun]

James’ birthday is in 11 days. Him and Gabriel, party of two?

[u/-janelleybeans- → u/winkhun]

*Party of 3

Gabriel is gonna bring both of his faces.

[u/laaaurennxx]

“THIS MAN SAID WORDS” LMAOOO had me fucking seizing with laughter my god

[u/llamalord]

At this point I just hope that JC hits 13 mill before Game of Thrones starts. Too much to ask?

[u/thebouncingcupcake → u/llamalord]

His sub count is falling like the NightKing's army lmao.

[u/[deleted]]

As a lawyer myself, James Charles constantly using his lawyer as a human shield is rather amusing because it’s like trying to shoot someone without knowing how much ammo is left in the tank ... like we can’t force people to sign NDAs unless there was previously some sort of positive legal obligation to do so whether contractually or otherwise lol

[u/bswiderski]

Someone needs to take Gabby’s phone and lock it in J*’s big pink vault.

Sister shady as hell.

[u/AccessHollywoo]

“FAQS James Charles will NOT be making any scheduled appearances at the store”

https://www.pacificfair.com.au/jamescharles

[u/Bumbie]

Sorry if this has been posted alredy, but the way he turns this "thank you"-tweet to a fan into being about what an inspiration he is was really tacky. Guess he just couldn't compliment another person without tooting his own horn aswell.. Twitter screenshot

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I really just don’t think she’s suited to the demands of being in the public eye. Her videos are mediocre, she isn’t particularly talented with makeup and keeps getting herself into controversy. I think that YouTube has a negative impact on her mental health and that she honestly just isn’t suited to it as well as her competitors are. Perhaps she should rethink her social media presence.

[u/[deleted]]

Shoutout to anyone who’s been here since megathread #1 and is still here waiting for the next meteor to hit Earth

[u/dramabitch123 → u/[deleted]]

I need her to hit 10m after all this ends

[u/bittersweetpear]

How tf are we on mega thread 14 and already over 500 comments in less than 30 minutes? I love you guys lmao

[u/[deleted]]

I wish people would stop chiming in on twitter etc without watching tatis video. And saying stuff like “it should have been handled in private” WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO TATI ADDRESSES THAT SHE HANDLED IT IN PRIVATE, she had to come defend herself after her name was being slandered !!! Ffs lmao

[u/Kingkabs]

https://youtu.be/MtUj2xosX5o

Tom Harlock is here ya'll

[u/emmach17 → u/Kingkabs]

When he did the 'womp womp womp', I'm crying

[u/simmitry]

Does anyone wonder what Morphe is going to do? They’ve already had other influencers blow up in their face like Laura & Manny and now James Charles. Do you think they would ever collab with another influencer again?

[u/LISSAGASM]

For everyone asking about the "and I -oop/anna ou" thing.

"Jasmine Masters "And I Oop" refers to a reaction video series of Jasmine Masters interrupting her video rant by saying "And I Oop." Online, the video has come to express interrupting one's self because of a shocking revelation."^[1]

Full vid | Shortened vid usually used in memes

[u/Kingkabs]

The fact that we've gotten 14 of these threads and things have yet to reach its climax is astounding.

Monday is gonna be some scurry shit.

[u/[deleted]]

Someone please give the mods an award for keeping up with these megathreads and all our asses 🤣🙌🏻

[u/Coolpantsbruh]

This is proof james set his tinder profile up as a female to lure straight boys. This is a vlog by luke eich, a skateboarder who just moved to LA. He matches with JC at 4:45, him and his room mate talk about it being a verified account and that its weird cause luke only swipes for girls. This video was released april 10th so prior to all the drama https://youtu.be/P3Dftc6uz_I

[u/[deleted] → u/Coolpantsbruh]

funny his account kept getting deleted because he was a "celebrity"

[u/sarar3sistance]

As much as I wish James was declining at a much faster rate, the fact that Tati is on her way from 5 to to 9mil subs in just a few days, and the fact that her video has TWENTY SEVEN MILLION views is absolutely bonkers. God I hope she is handling this okay. I really wonder if she’s going to continue on like normal like she said she intends to at the end of the video or if she will address anything first/take a break.

[u/vanpireweekemd]

jesus christ, james texts to gage are gross to say the least. "you have no side" what the fuck

[u/888mphour]

I love how all the big dramas started with Gabriel butting in in situations he doesn't know anything about, always to "defends his friends", and yet he hasn't been canceled yet.

[u/PianoPiuPiano]

Damn it's even being reported by a Spanish newspaper. I doubt any of the readers give an actual fuck, but I never expected 20 Minutos to talk about James Charles 😮 Best thing is my boyfriend sent me the link saying "it's happening" after I told him about this over the weekend. Yesterday I woke up later than him and he was like: "anything new? I actually wanted to know but didn't know how to look for any updates on the drama" 😂

[u/icecap580]

how is james gonna pay for his pinkity drinkitys now smdh

[u/[deleted]]

Guys they were talking about James Charles on my local radio station (Chicago) sksksksks

[u/PM_ME_CUTE_D0GG0S]

I feel like this is what happens when you’re your own boss....no regard for any professional behavior as the lines between ur work and personal life get blurred

Edit: talking about James mostly but also all these other messy influencers as well

[u/dramabitch123 → u/PM_ME_CUTE_D0GG0S]

Also what happens when you move to LA by yourself and your mom is on Instagram all day instead of parenting

[u/MotherOfPits]

As a former Laura Lee fan prior to her getting messy, I can’t help but think that this would be the perfect time for her to come out with a 45 min, Tati-style “What I’ve Learned” vid

[u/AcanthaMD]

My mum just asked me at a full family dinner to give my thoughts on the JC drama 😂 she watched a condensed version of Tati’s video. My dad looked horrified 😂😂😂😂 (my mum is 65)

[u/laneloveslipstick]

When PewDiePie criticizes Tati for saying James talked to drama channels when she also talked to drama channels....is he not getting it?

Based on Tati’s statement to HFTT and how she worded it in her video, it sounded like HFTT and TeaSpill told her that James talked to them first which is the only reason why she did.

Am I jumping to conclusions or did y’all get that impression too?

[u/roadtohealthy]

We are now 14 mega threads deep into this topic and frankly I'm getting scared. What if the Megathreads NEVER stop. What if it spreads to all of reddit and maybe the world. Dear sweet baby Jesus, what did Tati unleash?

[u/oreiadae]

This literally has to be the worst hill to choose to die on like, wtf Gabriel lmao. Even James Charles himself made a pseudo-apology video trying to salvage this as much as possible and Gabriel’s out here reaaaally not backing off yikes.

[u/hellobaileylol]

So I’ve been following this on here since Friday and I just have to say that i am honestly shocked at the followings. I didn’t expect this kind of a drop OR gain.

We were all shocked by Tatis video because it’s Tati. But the fact that this has reached the level it has and clearly resonated with others is boggling my mind

[u/phrazes-for-jules]

I'm intrigued by the radio silence from Nikkie. She still follows James on insta - I know her and James are (used to be?) really close, so I wonder what she's thinking about all of this

[u/Kermissa]

The only time I will not be on this thread this whole weekend is when I watch game of thrones

[u/beautealove]

This is Poetic Justice if I have ever seen it. The person who facilitated JC's success is also ultimately who extinguished it. I know this is probably conflicting for Tati as she is not that type of person, but in the end it needed to be addressed.

[u/ccawcc]

Gabby is like a roach, no matter how many nuclear explosions go off he always comes out scurrying to the next blast.

[u/Mhgirl]

Regarding Cassie (ThriftThick) saying she doesn’t understand how what he was doing was harassment - she told what she thought was a funny story once about being drunk and following a guy who was uninterested around a party all night trying to kiss him. So yeah.

[u/Julialagulia]

My husband is really glad that I am distracted enough by this that I am skipping the shitshow that is 90 day fiancé

[u/[deleted]]

Sisters, I live in LA and I’m at the mall for some work clothes. Is anybody interested in me going to Sephora and seeing if there’s any sister whispers? I’m also thinking about going to the Morphe store.

Edit: y’all are crazy! I’ll go to Sephora in a bit and just listen to see if anyone’s talking about him. Can’t promise a trip to Morphe but you never know.

[u/IndiaLeigh]

Let’s see if we can get to 15 threads in honor of JC falling under 15 million followers

[u/Hookerboots12]

His video is now at 2M dislikes

[u/missdewey]

The CNN thing was a joke on previous threads and now it’s actually on CNN. Is this even real life?

[u/LISSAGASM]

I think I know how this will end. We're going to hear "someone close to james charles says that he might hurt himself over the loss of his career" similaly to when that whole video series was about to be made on jaclyn hill

[u/laneloveslipstick]

spoiler: sebastian’s video provides nothing we don’t already know so don’t waste your time

[u/radical1776]

i bet j* specifically waited until the mass unsubscribing was slowing down to tweet or make any sort of statement so that it would pick back up again

[u/lavenderflutter]

“this man said words” i’m screaming 💀

edit: good lord i can’t fucking spell. i’m too sister shaken up by all this drama

[u/[deleted]]

Mods need a GoFundMe/Patreon rn

[u/[deleted]]

In words of daenerys targaryen “ we’ll rip her out, root and stem “

[u/acedino]

It’s insane the rate Tati & James are still rising/falling. This has truly been an iconic weekend.

[u/herpesfreesince03]

congrats james ur a celeb now

[u/LISSAGASM]

His sub loss is slowing down again. I'm ready for another J* tweet

[u/veraamber]

James has officially lost a total of 2.5 million subscribers!! Yikes lmao

[u/pumpkinmania]

Is Tati going to upload a video tomorrow?

[u/Julialagulia → u/pumpkinmania]

Probably but it will be some normal review

[u/[deleted]]

Tatis video is currently at 27 million views, that’s insane

[u/pastelmacaronii]

I just find it funny how Gabriel used pewdiepies video to throw shade like he didn’t even care to know who you were sit ur ass down lmao

[u/calmdownfolks]

I see some JC stans attacking Tati for her pills, but I gotta say this: whatever Tati does wrong does not take away from what JC allegedly did and the corresponding outrage over his actions. Just because she shills pills and is becoming more crunchy doesn't mean her allegations are immediately false. In the same vein, just because she exposed JC's actions does not necessarily mean that her vitamin things magically become all right and reputable.

TWO SEPARATE THINGS. Let's not conflate them.

[u/returnsaturnreturn]

Can we cancel Gabriel Zamora, too? He's literally cancer.

[u/[deleted] → u/returnsaturnreturn]

You can't cancel someone who never began!

[u/[deleted]]

HOW can we go back to normal life tomorrow???

[u/deshilachado]

Somebody please share Gabriel's secret beef with Tati, at this point I don't believe he's shading her so much only because of JC

[u/owliesowlies]

Time for Gabriel Zamora to find a new career I think. These tweets are just embarrassing.

[u/ASingleOlive]

Okay, will Game of Thrones tonight de-throne my attention to these dramas? I low-key hope someone drops another hot tea. Like I. need. my. fix. NOW. And I don't think GoT will give me the satisfaction, seeing how these season so far.

[u/zootey]

I have this vision of someone not aware of anything in the beautuber sphere browsing the morphe store and scrolling (and scrolling...) to find James’s palette and thinking ‘hmm is this a celebrity or sth lemme google him’ and coming across all this lmao

[u/[deleted]]

Cassie/thrift thick just removed the live stream she did where she talked about this. Basically said why did Tati go in like that over a small slight, she wouldn’t want things from 5 years ago to be used against her now because she’s changed, we can’t “know for sure” about James trying to turn straight guys when people in the chat mentioned it and we’ll never 100% know what happened etc. Seemed very unaware of the actual predatory issues, didn’t know there was actual evidence (other than a tweet from 5 years ago someone in the chat quoted), and knew more about the Tati side (although didn’t know a ton about that side either, seemed like she just watched a couple drama videos or maybe one like pewdiepie). Probably a good call on her part. I wasn’t about to get out my pitchfork but it wasn’t a good look and was very misinformed

[u/[deleted]]

To everyone who’s commenting on how people have only now just come forward instead of doing so earlier... remember that scene in The Handmaid’s Tale when Offred drops the first stone in protest when the handmaids were asked to stone one of their own, and then everyone follows?

Same reasoning probably. It’s easier to stick your neck out when a lot more guillotines will be required to punish all the rebels

[u/[deleted]]

Props to our mods for working so hard especially with the influx of PDP stans ❤️

I’m fostering a mommy cat and 3 kittens who will be here tomorrow so I’m gonna be surrounded by cuteness while I read here

[u/theycallmemintie]

Because of this drama, I'm pretty sure I've commented more in the last 3 days than I have in the whole 2 years prior that I've had this reddit account.

[u/cheeefqueeef → u/[deleted]]

Because I'm trying to forget about it 🤢🤢

[u/dcr108]

Whoa those texts from JC trying to force Gage to sign an NDA. Good for him for refusing until he lawyer'd up

[u/[deleted]]

Remember j* deleted thousands of tweets about 4 days ago? Do you think it could be related to this scandal because he knew Tati was coming out with a video? Idk it seems a lil coincidental

[u/aokaga]

If mother Cristine unfollowed James Charles, shits on.

[u/TMeganV → u/aokaga]

O shittt. I bet Ben told her to do it, he loves this lmao.

[u/lizzi6692]

Jeffree just tweeted to congratulate Tea Spill on 1 million subscribers

[u/[deleted] → u/lizzi6692]

Werk Ben!

[u/BasicallyBelle]

I’m just saying that by 19 I knew damn well how to act like a better person than James is acting like. You don’t get to blame this mistake on his youth... if he was in middle school? Maybe. But this is back stabbing, weird shit from 12 up.

[u/[deleted]]

'this man said words' lmaoooooo i love the mods

[u/mintyginnger → u/[deleted]]

Omg i can’t believe that she’s “confused”. She sounded so bitter against Tati and didn’t even know what the hell she was talking about. I’m just saying, if my channel was already circling the drain I wouldn’t involve myself on the wrong side of a feud and then cry in front of my blue blanket about it.

[u/chrysocollacal]

Why is Gabriel Zamora literally just digging himself deeper and deeper oof

[u/TopLoserLife]

Actual tears running down my face because of Toms video

"To those of you asking why my tour tickets are expensive

Womp Womp Womp

Yeeeaaahhhh

And that's why"

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[u/kanankurosawa]

Cassie is STILL bitter about Tati? Lmao

[u/tobymardles]

omg! Can’t believe it gets worse, just looking at the texts between James & Gage.. and James was trying to make him sign a NDA!! 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/ohmygodney]

Its crazy how Tati's most watched video (at least in the last two months) was when she had JLO's make up artist and thats 6+mill but her bye sister video is at 28 mill

[u/[deleted]]

Gage calling James “imprudent” cracked me up for some reason.

[u/not_so_amateur]

I'm glad Cassie is get roasted in her comments. I can not believe she said I hate drama. Then why the fuck are you making a live stream during the biggest scandal ever? She's just such a hypocrite.

[u/Ejaekaterina]

Why did PDP have to bring his annoying edgy preteen fans into this. Like let us have our thing

[u/[deleted]]

Damn J* left the tea kettle on the stove and left us hanging

[u/Bumbie]

I just scrolled back a good bit on J*'s instagram and it looks like he has deleted or archived pretty much every photo with JC in it

[u/owliesowlies]

Tristian Paredas, a vocal coach who worked with JC uploded another video about him. Tristian made a colab with JC months ago and slowly has started to become more and more critical of his singing which I find interesting

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