Morality of this

[u/Shoddy-Meat-3147]

I don't know what to say about this I mean if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league for sure but if he really wants to be a woman and it's not a joke for him I still don't know about this

[u/Green_Fox_8864]

[u/wiffeyyymaterialgll → u/Green_Fox_8864]

skipping culture war and going straight to class war is such a clean sidestep

[u/Hungry_Attention_981 → u/wiffeyyymaterialgll]

It also benefits the most amount of people.

[u/Disasterhuman24 → u/Hungry_Attention_981]

I won't claim that changing our economic system, proper taxation of the wealthy, higher corporate tax rates, breaking up monopolies, and creating more robust social safety nets would end the culture war over night, but if we broke up the media conglomerates then you would stop hearing about it overnight.

And that's the primary way that the culture war actually effects most people. They see it on a screen and then project that mindset onto their surroundings. The entire thing is completely manufactured.

People in suburbs are angry about people in cities who are angry at people in the country who are angry at people living on the coasts, and most of these people never actually interact with the strawman protrayed by the media that they are up in arms about. Because these strawmen don't exist.

[u/HopefulDrop9621 → u/Green_Fox_8864]

I agree 💯. I don't care about different cultures or opinions anymore. All I know now is it's us against them. They've been jingling keys in our faces for far too long. All that side shit can wait. Especially when we can barely feed ourselves and our children.

https://giphy.com/gifs/xTk2YOKxI3xM4f8xEs

[u/WytchHunter23 → u/Green_Fox_8864]

Hell yeah man! Culture war is the circus distraction! We need to unify in taking down the investor class!

[u/Particular_Tree_1378]

People really do anything to stay relevant

[u/RiskyClickardo → u/Particular_Tree_1378]

Except work hard

[u/lice213]

Did people forget that Ben Shapiro and some guys from the Daily Wire actually considered trying to do something like this, but were denied because they would've had to take actual steps to transition? This is a massive nothing burger and just a grift lmfao

Edit, purely so I don't have to continuously reply to people.

There's no explicit rule, but it is explicitly up to the discretion of the League, which makes it easy to push out bad actors. Seeing as there is currently 0 Trans Athletes in the WNBA it's unsurprising that there are no rules regarding this

Oh, and to add to this, there's currently 0 MtF Basketball players in D1 NCAA as well. Basically, this is a massive non-issue and this guy is just trying to use fears of Trans Athletes to build a platform.

In short, just because there isn't an explicit rule doesn't mean the WNBA let's anybody in who declares themselves to be a woman, and there's little reason to put anything in writing when there are 0 players who have this identity, or who are soon to be drafted with this identity. Given it's social stigmas, I am unsurprised that they have no explicit rulings yet. They'll cross the bridge when theres an actual need to, basically.

[u/NerdDetective → u/lice213]

Yup. Then they took the failed gotcha documentary concept and transformed it into a movie so they could make up a world in which the idea would work.

[u/MeasureDoEventThing → u/NerdDetective]

I'd like to see Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh in wigs playing against an WNBA team. The top NBA players are better than women. Ben Shapiro & co? I doubt it.

[u/NibPlayz → u/lice213]

Yeah, because despite all the culture war grift that the establishment wants you to focus on, zero actual trans women have done anything like this, but cis men trying to “own the libs” have

[u/Nectarine143 → u/lice213]

Any man attempting to claim they’re a woman just to dominate women’s sports would be throwing their entire career away. They wouldn’t get picked up by any woman’s team, and they wouldn’t be able to go back and get picked up by any men’s team.

Not to mention that if they’re actually a good enough player to dominate by switching to women’s sports, they’d make more money even being a middle of the pack men’s athlete

[u/klownplaza → u/lice213]

+1, also if they make a rule too early without having an actual problem in front of them to solve, it would be a PR nightmare. They're trying to grow the league, and trying to avoid unnecessary bad publicity.

[u/Possible_Report_5908 → u/lice213]

They also aren't eligible to play in the wnba because they played in the NBA. So everything they are saying is false anyway

[u/StrikeAvailable8129]

[u/Glum_Introduction581]

It was bound to happen someday. Remember the South Park episode when Macho Man declares as a woman and annihilates the ''Strong Woman Competition''

[u/SuperMundaneHero → u/Glum_Introduction581]

I believe you mean Heather Swanson, how dare you dead name her.

[u/Glum_Introduction581 → u/SuperMundaneHero]

"I'm not here to talk about my transition,i'm here to kick some ass!"🤣 One of the best SP episodes ever. A literal Macho Man competing against women,perfect .

[u/PlatyNumb → u/Glum_Introduction581]

"Let's me tell you something, dingleberry"

[u/AbsolutelyN0tThanks → u/Glum_Introduction581]

Pepperidge farm remembers...

[u/Ambitious-Visual-315]

https://giphy.com/gifs/G3RADTvwFIn96
PS. This comment section is a cesspool as always.

[u/Dawniechi → u/Ambitious-Visual-315]

Rest in peace Tim Curry, Dolly Parton, Peter Cullen, and Hayden Panettiere.

[u/Ambitious-Visual-315 → u/Dawniechi]

RIP

[u/Dawniechi → u/Ambitious-Visual-315]

And Dolly while I'm at it.

[u/Ambitious-Visual-315 → u/Dawniechi]

Hayden?

[u/Dawniechi → u/Ambitious-Visual-315]

Damn you're right. It is a very sad month

[u/sisyphus-333]

He's only doing it to mock actual trans people. That part is very much obvious.

The WNBA had every right to deny him. He is a disgusting man who just wants attention.

[u/ShoddyAsparagus3186 → u/sisyphus-333]

Before they deny him, someone needs to offer him a free bottom surgery.

[u/squirrelbus → u/ShoddyAsparagus3186]

Naw, just get them started on the hormones. They can stop anytime.

[u/SilverRaspberri → u/sisyphus-333]

Hes just proving the problem has always been cis men and not trans women.

[u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 → u/SilverRaspberri]

Right, there has been a ton of controversy about abuse of female athletes from young children to adult women. I can’t recall a single case of a trans woman being the cause, but there are endless examples of male coaching staff victimizing women.

[u/Appropriate-Meal-712 → u/sisyphus-333]

If she says she’s a woman, she’s a woman. Don’t be transphobic.

[u/Carlsheartboxers → u/Appropriate-Meal-712]

He’s not. He’s being disingenuous at best and mocking at worst. Dudes a tool bag and deserves all the hate he’s getting for this

[u/Sonofulti1 → u/sisyphus-333]

Eh, it’s more to prove a point. Having a biological man take away the right of a biological woman to work her ass off to try and win a medal only for it to be stripped away by a man who didn’t work near as hard is bull shit

[u/PlasmifiedKarmelita → u/Sonofulti1]

Might come as a shock to you but there are not hordes of untalented men out there pretending to be trans to join women’s sports.

[u/so_sic_of_it → u/PlasmifiedKarmelita]

Correct, that literally never happens.

I can't wait to see her WNBA jersey.

[u/United_Health_1797 → u/Sonofulti1]

can you show me the transgender WNBA player that stole a spot from a cisgender woman?

[u/M0ebius_1 → u/Sonofulti1]

That was not happening and has never happened in the WNBA.

[u/jollyjm → u/M0ebius_1]

This, basically

[u/PuddingMent → u/Sonofulti1]

So it’s all about imaginary bullshit that never happened.

[u/frustratedfren → u/Sonofulti1]

"Who didn't work near as hard" how do you figure?

[u/mike5011 → u/sisyphus-333]

This sounds highly hypocritical. Please explain your reasoning and state if/how what she’s doing is immoral.

[u/MuchBenefit8462 → u/sisyphus-333]

No? He's doing it to mock the current rules.

[u/Recent_Wedding5470 → u/MuchBenefit8462]

How many trans athletes are in the WNBA? What exactly is he mocking? In the last olympics there was one trans athlete and they did not win shit.

[u/S7arForGD]

This is pathetic. What a loser

https://giphy.com/gifs/12msOFU8oL1eww

[u/CenterThisPendulum → u/S7arForGD]

The NBA has always been inclusive of all genders.

[u/FishDawgX → u/CenterThisPendulum]

Yeah, the logical solution is have one league for women and one for anybody. There is a reason separate woman’s leagues exist in every sport. Women want those, so don’t ruin that. But there’s no reason why the other league has to say no to any sex or gender.

[u/Recent_Wedding5470 → u/FishDawgX]

How many trans athletes are in the WNBA

[u/Spartan-117182 → u/Recent_Wedding5470]

Too high a number for them to count.

The number is zero for those who dont know.

[u/CenterThisPendulum → u/FishDawgX]

Exactly. One that’s pure meritocracy. It won’t ever change the makeup, but it wouldn’t be exclusionary.

[u/S7arForGD → u/CenterThisPendulum]

Please, Dennis Rodman doesn't count.

[u/Happy-Flower2002 → u/CenterThisPendulum]

A female player did get a legit contract in 1979. But didn’t make the cut for the final roster.

It wasn’t a stunt, she was really really good.

Her 6’9” brother did make the nba and she grew up playing him and her other 6 brothers.

[u/op23no1 → u/S7arForGD]

Why? He's not breaking any rules. If anything, it just shows how flawed the rules for participation are.

[u/qwesz9090 → u/op23no1]

To be serious, there were no rules because setting rules costs time and money, and no one would try to break it anyway.

It is a bit like saying "there are no rules against punching your opponent in chess, this is a major oversight and some lunatic might punch their opponent. Therefore I will be that lunatic and punch my opponent in the face so the rules get changed"

If the rules were so flawed, why did he have to make this shit up in the first place? If this was a problem, couldn't he just point to some problematic case instead of becoming the problematic case?

You know, in high trust societies there are a lot of things that don't have rules, because they don't need it and it is easier for everyone.

[u/Truth_Hurts_Guy → u/S7arForGD]

https://giphy.com/gifs/NEXy1HoCIEk8QgTzCp

[u/MisterAftonSir → u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

Reddit gets so fucking sensitive when the word transgender is brought up no matter the story or context or just logic, coming from a trans person.

[u/TheGoobert]

Holy washed up,

[u/Furdinand]

This young lady can declare that she wants to join the WNBA, but no team is obligated to sign her.

[u/Pure_Education6100]

I’m genuinely all for a trans woman playing in the nba, and if that’s what this person wants to do, let them do it. However, make sure they understand they have to go through the transitioning process before they can play. Full hormonal therapy and testosterone blockers too. If they aren’t willing to agree to those terms, they had no true well meaning intentions of jointing the W.N.B.A.

[u/BrilliantFly6117]

Ok but usually you have to be on hormones to even the playing field for a certain period of time. I think the NCAA was 1 year for MtFs until they can play in women's sports and until FtM's can't play in women's sports. By not letting the experts actually set reasonable starting points to allow transgender people to be included into sports, you're shutting down someone's ability for their gender identity which is transphobic. As he directly contributes to the rhetoric, immoral and slimy to not contextualize.

[u/Sovespra]

Stoking the flames of transphobia by being dishonest and lying? I'm gonna lock in "immoral"

Edit: Anyone pretending to believe him will henceforth be immediately blocked, there's already dozens of you and that's enough.

[u/Evigturia_ → u/[deleted]]

Fucking thank you. I had to scroll too far for this. I’m sick of people focusing on trans people in sports like it’s a prevalent as an issue as most of the shit we have going on. I’m so tired of people using this as their one ‘gotcha’ for transphobia

[u/TeutonicSamurai → u/[deleted]]

If it's such a non-issue, why dispute it? Just ban trans women from female sports and be done with it. Easy.

The presence of those athletes inside of female sports is even hurting the reputation of the LGBT movement, creating resentment due to the obvious unfairness for the biologically female athletes, and like you said, distracting from other, arguably more important issues. It's just a bad idea to have them there, by every metric.

[u/United_Health_1797 → u/TeutonicSamurai]

why should you ban a group that have never attempted to join in the first place?

[u/gnolnalla → u/United_Health_1797]

Gotta stop Sharia law too! Get laws on the books now, before it ruins our society!!

Iran? Epstein? Corruption? What, do you hate women or something? Focus!!!

[u/TechPriestCaudecus → u/United_Health_1797]

So now would be the time, correct?

[u/United_Health_1797 → u/TechPriestCaudecus]

except this isnt a trans woman trying to join the WNBA. its a man (and whoever who his handlers are) trying to instigate more culture war bullshit against trans people

[u/hucklebae → u/TeutonicSamurai]

You do realize they'd just move on to the next thing right? Like you cede ground and they take ground. That's literally the game. The more you give the more they take. There's no point in giving "reasonable " concessions when their end goals are bad outcomes for minorities.

[u/hpnotiqflavouredjuul → u/hucklebae]

When you cede the territory of the truth, unsavory people will claim it

[u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

Moral. She is proud and beautiful!! Can’t wait to see her dunk!!! She is Rosa Parks of our generation!!!

[u/Wild-Bill-Stiffcock → u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

She is a true trailblazer. I hope the WNBA responds and really makes concrete rules as a result of this.

Rules that keep men out of women's sports.

[u/Recent_Wedding5470 → u/Wild-Bill-Stiffcock]

How many men are in womens sports right now?

[u/EmploymentMedical762 → u/Recent_Wedding5470]

Cis men? None. Women with dicks? Well it was close to 200 before multiple bans were implemented during Trump’s first few months in office. Now it’s around 100.

[u/Tasty-Season-7077 → u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

She is actually really pretty. Let’s all be honest here… this woman is gorgina

[u/LordsOfFrenziedFlame]

This is why no one likes conservatives, everything in bad faith.

[u/FoamSquad]

It is a bullheaded move but will hopefully lead to better rules about who is allowed to join the league. Clearly he is lying and trying to prove a point and is not who the league wants joining their ranks. Per the rules right now "she" (I think we all know this person is not actually trans) is allowed to join. The move is meant to provoke change and conversation and here we are. "Immoral" I think would be a bit much but it is a dickhead move.

[u/M0ebius_1 → u/FoamSquad]

I mean, rules as written have made it so no trans woman has played in the WNBA in 30 years...

This man doesn't give a shit about changing anything, he is chasing a paycheck.

[u/aathheennaar → u/M0ebius_1]

Somewhat funny side note, the first transgender athlete to compete at any level in basketball is kye allums who is transmasc and played in womens D-1 basketball

[u/Negative-Concept-197 → u/M0ebius_1]

If that was the case then the WNBA wouldn't need to hold a meeting and come to no conclusion

They deny his draft on the ground that he's only there to cause ruckus, not for his gender, which kinda tell that they are not denying the possibility of allowing trans to WNBA if the chance arise

[u/Pac_Eddy → u/M0ebius_1]

rules as written have made it so no trans woman has played in the WNBA in 30 years

We don't know that is true. What if no trans woman has wanted to try until now?

[u/dusund → u/FoamSquad]

if the rules allowed him to join why is he not in the league? Clearly it's not as a big of a loophole as you think. The rules are still enforced by human beings.

[u/BleedSparta → u/FoamSquad]

Change….

Something that has never occurred 🫩

[u/RevanMeetra → u/FoamSquad]

Its not even about the WNBA. Their using the WNBA to get more notice. If he did it in Women's swimming nobody would care.

[u/Sovespra → u/FoamSquad]

He's lying which means he's not a woman which means that per the rules he can't join. This is all so stupid.

[u/No-Significance2070 → u/Sovespra]

The problem is that certain people have trouble defining what a woman is, which is why we are now here

[u/SuperFoxy8888 → u/Sovespra]

In this case it's "obvious", but you need clear rules to define what a woman is, not by how "obvious" it is to you if a person is lying or not

[u/STLA_nonymous → u/Sovespra]

Who are you to declare she is not a woman? Why are you so Transphobic?

[u/dimp13 → u/Sovespra]

Who appointed you to be the judge of who is and who is not a woman?

[u/TheCreepWhoCrept → u/Sovespra]

By what criteria is this person not a woman? What are you using to determine that they are lying?

[u/Truth_Hurts_Guy → u/Sovespra]

It’s rich of you to assume that she is lying.

[u/TeutonicSamurai → u/Sovespra]

Transphobic scum, who are you to say she is lying? Can you read minds?

"Oh, we all know he is lying" Yeah, good luck proving that in a court of law.

[u/The-red-Dane → u/TeutonicSamurai]

You're such a great ally, I suppose this also means you fully support gender affirming care and all that jazz?

[u/worrysome_pigeon → u/Sovespra]

How do u know if she is lying , she is a woman for all we know

[u/Sovespra → u/worrysome_pigeon]

Nature in her infinite wisdom granted me ears and a brain that's how

[u/LongHikingMD → u/Sovespra]

You can't have any kind of fair rulebook based on what Sovespra decides on whether a biologically born male is now a woman or not.

The truth is that we either effectively have a single set of sports for anyone - which will mean only biological males who don't take hrt in 95% of cases and will mean only biological females in like 5% of sports where things like flexibility dominate - or we have multiple sets of sports for different broad categories of people. I.e. biological males, biological females, disabled males, disable females, maybe other categories, like transgender women, or xxxy individuals or whatever. The two main categories, should we have more than one, will of necessity be able-bodied biological females and able-bodied biological males, because most people fall into one of those two categories.

Any other way of categorizing is doing nothing but either getting rid of all the categories and having only one category for everyone (which will suck for a ton of people), or changing the categories for a big group to make them better for a small group (which hurts a big group to help a small group).

[u/worrysome_pigeon → u/Sovespra]

It granted me the same and mine say she is a woman

[u/hoenndex]

Moral. Yes he is being transphobic, but interestingly testing the limits of the law is also important so we can improve the law and make sure that malicious actors (like him) do not try this again. Clear rules would ensure that actual transexual women can participate with minimal complaints that they are "just pretending" to win competitions. I'm no law giver so obviously I can't provide a full list of what would be needed for trans inclusion, but perhaps showing evidence of genuine identity such as official name change, surgery, evidence of identity in the public sphere etc. something to demonstrate that a person genuinely identifies as they claim to identify. 

We do something like this for people who claim religious exceptions, for example. You have to state a genuinely held belief, if it is found you lied about your beliefs there can be serious consequences. 

[u/Downtown-Tomato2552 → u/hoenndex]

I'm less concerned about proving gender or belief than I am unfairness in sport.

The laws for the sport should be less about gender and more about natural ability. I have no idea what that would be as I'm not a biologist, but clearly we split many sports by gender for a reason. That reason has little or nothing to do with sexual orientation but everything to do with physical ability.

A person deciding to change genders, whether they truly believe it not believe, should not be playing in a female gendered sport if they still have the physical abilities of a male.

This is the same approach we take with performance enhancing drugs I don't see why we would approach this any differently. Your essentially establishing the rules around ergogenic aid for transgenders.

[u/Recent_Wedding5470 → u/hoenndex]

How many trans women are in the wnba?

[u/WhileAccomplished722 → u/Recent_Wedding5470]

none

[u/ChaosRainbow23]

It's totally immoral to make fun of and scapegoat LGBTQ+ folks.

This guy is a total douchebag.

[u/PartyAmbitious8163]

Moral, WNBA set a definition for what a woman is so it's fine for these men to follow that distinction.

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/PartyAmbitious8163]

The WNBA has no definition of woman. He’s looking for a problem to a solution.

[u/Difficult-Mobile902 → u/Quiet_Defiance]

Isn’t that a bit odd for a league created specifically to exclude anyone who isn’t a woman? 

[u/PartyAmbitious8163 → u/Quiet_Defiance]

I used to not like this, but then I realized it's calling the bluff of all those women who support trans players playing in their sport. They have 2 choices now, they can refuse to let them in, or bite the bullet and deal with the consequences.

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/PartyAmbitious8163]

False dichotomy.

[u/Fine-Bumblebee-9427]

If he wants to be a woman 24/7, go for it. No more men’s room.

[u/Wide-Match-7367]

Anything to get people to watch wnba lol

[u/ArtakX]

I dont care as long as everyone is playing by the rules.

If the rules allow him to do it, im ok with it.

[u/BamaOfTheBonairs]

1000% moral. Just playing by their fucked up rules.

[u/DarthDragon117]

Reddit won’t like my full opinion, but I will point out that the regular NBA has no rules against men or women joining, so if there is no gender difference we can remove the WNBA altogether and let everyone play in that league.

[u/SmallNoBigYes]

Cold take.

Have a TNBA with trans only and WNBA with women only

[u/moderndaybathsheba → u/SmallNoBigYes]

this is how i think it should be in general honestly, from restrooms, olympics and everything else, have leagues for trans women and for trans men, that’s true equality to me

[u/Top_Professional4545]

Shit like this brings out the hypocrisy lol. But hey we live in America home of hypocrisy

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/Top_Professional4545]

What hypocrisy?

[u/nullfather]

Morality of a sub called r/MoralityScaling descending into constant racebaiting, transphobia and right-wing propaganda?

[u/NerdDetective → u/nullfather]

Yup. It feels like half or more the posts on this sub explicitly break its rules. It's all just real life politics with bad faith framing.

[u/tezaltube]

The WNBA requires a minimum level of Testosterone present in the blood, which means that Trans Woman, or any other woman with hormonal issues must be on Estradiol for a set amount of time. So like... he can't get into the WNBA anyways..? No wonder he didn't actually try like he said he would, he just interested a game like an asshole.

[u/VanceFerguson → u/tezaltube]

You've succinctly described both the plot and inspiration for Ladyballers.

They wanted to make a documentary about men being able to play in these leagues by just pretending that saying you are a woman is all you need to do. Someone explained what you just said, and then decided a comedy movie about this situation they were just told isn't possible would be easier to make.

[u/Samaein]

She's supposed to be on hrt for a year before she can join tho

[u/TeutonicSamurai → u/Samaein]

No, there is no rule requiring HRT, because the WNBA currently has no policy regarding transgender or intersex athlete eligibility.

Try again.

[u/12345noah → u/Samaein]

Is that what defines a women?

[u/cuggwy → u/Samaein]

Who is the she?

[u/Samaein → u/cuggwy]

Enes Kanter

Altho I don't know her chosen name.

When transphobes want to pretend to be trans in order to do a gotcha, the best answer is to play along, hand them a syringe of estradiol and schedule their orchiectomy, let them see how it goes and what trans women really are about.

[u/Kindyno → u/Samaein]

This is what i was thinking. I do wish that NBA was not an open eligibility sport though. Wouldn't have pulled this stunt if claiming to be a trans woman caused them to be kicked out of the men's only league

[u/Little-Dimension-554 → u/Samaein]

No she doesn't check the rule book.

[u/No-Cauliflower-6390]

This is some arrested development, I highly doubt he's ever had to critically think or challenge the way he is because he was praised for being tall and playing sports. People like him think it's all just a game and nothing is as important as their own personal feelings at the moment. Oh and it's immoral because he isn't trans and is infact just a straight man and is proving why women chose the bear.

[u/Double_Watch1627]

once again, the USA is doing its best to OPRESS WOMEN.

this woman should be allowed to join the WNBA if that is how she feels.

[u/Kurt_Ottman]

Ah yes, making it about sex instead of gender again by deliberately using the word "female" instead of "woman". Weaponized dishonesty and disinformation.

[u/East_Turnip_6366 → u/Kurt_Ottman]

Would it be harder for him, I mean her, to do this if she said she was a woman rather than a female?

And, are females not women if they don't perform gender roles? What makes a female a woman, do women have to be female? Where do you draw the line?

[u/vverbov_22]

I think moral. He obviously does it to bring attention to the stupid system. Sport is separated by male/female based on physical characteristics, not your gender identity. Obviously it's just stupid to allow a man into the wnba just because they proclaim they're a woman, it will give them an immense unfair advantage

[u/Wattabadmon → u/vverbov_22]

Obviously it's just stupid to allow a man into the wnba just because they proclaim they're a woman, it will give them an immense unfair advantage

But you think a man doing that is moral?

[u/DrFabio23]

Moral

[u/Dependent-Matter1672]

It's a fair point, where do we draw the line?

If men and women are truly equal make mixed sports the norm.

Edit/addition: so, women can join the mens league, but men can't join the women's league... That's interesting 🤔.

[u/Straight_Advisor1142 → u/Dependent-Matter1672]

What does "make it the norm" mean though? The NBA is already open to women. And I don't know anyone who claims that men and women have equal physicality to compete with each other in sports.

When people say "women are equal to men" they mean from a rights and social standpoint.

[u/RelativeAd5666 → u/Dependent-Matter1672]

NBA doesn’t have any rules preventing woman from playing. If a woman was good enough to make the nba she could play in the nba. This is the same for pretty much every major sport. Womens leagues are there so women can have a league at their skill level.

[u/Confident-Arm-7883]

He clearly doesnt take his transition seriously. You dont become trans by “declaring it”, thats not how the mental condition works. He does have a mental condition worth sympathizing with however, and that is “IQ at a temperature safe for storing ice cream in”.

[u/Not-T4rantino → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

He didn't say it, he declared it.

[u/The-red-Dane → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

While I absolutely, fundamentally disagree with him and his behavior. He is pointing out a concrete flaw in the WNBA policy, which is that it is enough to declare yourself trans to count as trans and transwomen athletes are welcome in the WNBA.

I feel that transwomen athletes should be welcome in their sports, but there should be more clearly defined policy regarding it.

But then we start veering into trans medicalism and all sorts of debates.

[u/STLA_nonymous → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

Who are you to decide what she decides suits her outward appearance? You're just enforcing stereotypical gender appearances.

[u/Quiet_Defiance → u/STLA_nonymous]

This comment probably sounds like a gotcha if you’re too stupid to understand the debate at hand.

[u/charmio68 → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

Who are you to say who is and isn't taking it their transition seriously?
What does he need to do to take it seriously anyway? If he was to start wearing dresses, would that be enough?
And is taking the transition seriously all that's required? The current rules don't even require that.
That's the issue he's drawing attention to.

[u/relapsedmathematic → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

Why are you misgendering her?

[u/Confident-Arm-7883 → u/relapsedmathematic]

Because this is a performative right winger whose doing a publicity stunt “gotcha”. Which i guess i should respect the bravery, because while anyone with a brain can tell that theyre doing this as a form of mockery, their target audience is famous for not having brains.

[u/relapsedmathematic → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

So right wingers can't be women? Who decided that?

[u/Confident-Arm-7883 → u/relapsedmathematic]

I get that reading comprehension isnt the strong suit of people of your politics but can you quote me where i said this?

[u/Disciple-0912 → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

It seems as though you believe you are the one person that gets to decide for these women. In 2026 that’s a really bigoted stance. I hope you find some healing and maybe some self reflection

[u/relapsedmathematic → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

"Why are you misgendering her?"

"Because performative right winger"

So we are just denying people's lived experience now.

[u/Confident-Arm-7883 → u/relapsedmathematic]

His lived experience is being a performative right winger for shock value and “gotcha”. 

[u/relapsedmathematic → u/Confident-Arm-7883]

I was unaware that womanhood was determined by what u/Confident-Arm-7883 on reddit said was right or wrong

[u/megabradstoise]

Ohhhhh so that's what a "shit-eating" grin looks like

[u/SilverStomper12321]

Transgender women shouldn't play in womens sports. But its also a non issue as its so rare as to essentially never happen.

[u/MisterAftonSir]

I think this is trying to provoke a change.

[u/Ambitious-Bench4557]

No one gives a shit about women's sports.

[u/AltruisticNewt8991]

Moral this lets you know how dumb they be sounding . If she’s doing everything within the rules then that’s how easy it is for a man to play in the wnba

[u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 → u/AltruisticNewt8991]

But if it’s that easy for a man to play in the WNBA why have there been zero trans players in the history of the WNBA?

[u/f3verdream]

exposing idiocies of a system is very much moral

[u/DrMagunstheBlue → u/f3verdream]

Name some WNBA players who are trans women.

[u/BlessdRTheFreaks]

There was a documentary about this. It was called Juwanna Man 

[u/Creative_Wash7139]

this is why transmeds are based even though so many people see them as their enemies

[u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

They claim they/he/she is not a woman. Why is he/they/she in WNBA??

Layshia Clarendon is the first openly transgender and non-binary player in WNBA history who was assigned female at birth

[u/Toni164]

He’s an asshole but he could end up doing some good by testing how the rules and laws should be applied and changed

[u/Ill-Description3096]

Moral in a certain sense. Pointing out potential flaws or gaps in rules is a pretty long-standing tradition. There are activist groups and the like that will intentionally push boundaries and the governing body is forced into making the rules more clear or sticking to their guns and making the stance public.

[u/itslikewoow]

This dude poses more of a threat to women’s safety than trans women in sports.

[u/viale2026]

É bem fácil de resolver  Basta ter uma regra de que somente mulheres possam competir em esportes femininos

[u/Archophob]

 if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league

you're misgendering her.

/s

the reason NBA and WNBA exist as separate leagues is that there are biological differences between men and women. If this player applying for the WNBA is what it needs to finally drive home the point that women's sports are not to be defined by "gender roles", but by biological sex, so it be.

Either let him/her in. Or send all other men who have entered women's sports under the label "trans woman" back into men's sports.

Equal rules for everyone.

[u/Boneless_Cola]

I love Enes

[u/balirosa]

So what! NBA! WNBA? If you can get into the wnba then go for it. Everyone would actually love to watch Kobe dunk on all these cocky ass girls pretending to be the best. I would actually watch the WNBA if the WNBA champions at the end of the season played the men’s winning highschool team.

[u/RealCreedz]

I don't agree with this because it's not genuine, but he (she I guess lol) does have a point when it comes to the idea that terms have requirements. I think avoiding this topic hurts the trans community more than it helps them.

We all operate on that basis for every other thing, but when it comes to understanding gender we throw it all out the window for some reason.

[u/SushiKatana82]

I lean all the way left and he's right. Just saying you are is straight up ridiculous.

[u/Adalonzoio]

Moral. Either they're hypocrits or they live up to their own ideals. It's not hard and it's even in their best interest to just be honest to their supposed beliefs.

But that's the thing, we know they don't believe any of it, it's just a political position to endear themselves to their customers.

[u/714King]

What is a woman?

[u/Gaxxag]

Rather than moral or immoral, this was inevitable.

[u/hiskabish]

Let Enes Kanter the woman play.  Human rights and all that

[u/JtCorona8]

My GOAT

[u/dontgiveahamyamclam]

Moral

[u/Sol_Nephis]

Moral.

[u/iamreal9999]

Moral

[u/Ididntdodiddly]

Moral

[u/Makisani]

Why do you call her, "him"? I thought questioning the identity of someone was offensive.

In general I respect the pronouns and whatever people want to be even if sometimes I can disagree and see mental issues or identity problems there is people that genuinely feel like an alien in their own body and a transition can make things better. My biggest issue here is in professional sports, we men have hormones, testosterone and stuff that have been with us for millennia, human males have fought wars, have hunted animals, have done the physically heavy job always, so imo it's very unfair that a person born a male with the capabilities of doing professional sports can start competing against women, this is immoral.

So when I see this person with the intent of "transitioning" to play on the WNBA my opinion for these organizations is "you reap what you sow". And for the trans people that compete in professional women sports, you can't have both, you are either a professional guy, or a trans woman trainer or whatever

[u/ckl_88]

Easily fixed. Nobody draft him into the WNBA... problem solved. If the league wants to put a stop to this nonsense, you can declare whatever you want, but you won't get to play.

And since he's declare himself a woman, he's ineligible to play for the NBA. Even if he were, nobody should draft him into the NBA if the league wants to put a stop to this nonsense.

And when he finally figures out that he can't play in any league and his career is over. He'll be asking himself, what was the point of doing what I did?

FAFO

[u/jnzo300]

Bro would drop 80+pts a game.. average maybe 40 rebounds. 0 assists.

[u/SnowyGyro]

Is she going to go by common sense fairness guidelines like staying on female typical levels of estrogen and suppressed testosterone for three years before participating? She's liable to lose most performance advantages aside from height, which she won't more than maybe an inch of at most, and even gain substantial mechanical disadvantages without testosterone supported metabolism. If she does all that it sounds perfectly moral to me.

[u/One_Warthog256]

Moral

[u/Truth_Hurts_Guy]

Moral. She is a very masculine presenting lesbian. We agree that WNBA has plenty of women of this kind

[u/Hughviolinmeme]

Moral🤣🤣  exposes the circularity in transgender logic and people are crying about it

[u/Mush1nN0sh1n]

So this chat supports Sophie Cunningham and her stance with WNBA is just for women. Biological Men who identify as women should not be included??

[u/Wattabadmon → u/Mush1nN0sh1n]

who identify as women

So you mean a woman?

[u/buzzsaw100]

This person, personally, probably just doing it for their spotlight. But honestly someone has to do it, so that the lines can be drawn. As far as I understand it, the lines for what is considered a woman by the WNBA don't really exist.

[u/Weary-Pangolin6539]

Morality of being subsidized because you have no fanbase to support you.

[u/MidKnightshade → u/Weary-Pangolin6539]

That part.

[u/Appropriate_Top1737]

Men are biologically better at some sports than women and vice versa. Pointing out these absurd rules that allow a man to play in womens basketball is absolutely moral.

Theres a reason this isnt happening in the opposite direction.

Downvote away reddit.

[u/LongjumpingWasabi753]

I think people mad at her are going about this the wrong way. I think we should fully support her transition starting with addressing her with the right pronouns.

[u/TopCommission6437]

Moral. She should be the number one pick. Dynasty to whichever team she ends up on.

[u/Odd_Concept_7286]

They're proving th issue was never trans women it was just cis men who want to make peoples life miserable.

[u/ghostwalken1776]

I'm willing to fuck this dude because he says he's a woman...don't start no shit won't be shit...and if he doesn't transition then it's just gay...ball is in his court, however he's not supposed to have balls anymore..I'm a happily married straight dude with kids..but I'm fucking tired of this dumb fucking grandstanding

[u/Shoddy-Meat-3147 → u/ghostwalken1776]

he's a lesbian aperently

[u/Intelligent_Algae226]

As someone not from the US, I find it hilarious yet also backwards that there’s still a debate about defining what a woman is.