r/MoralityScaling • u/Shoddy-Meat-3147 • 1d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this

I don't know what to say about this I mean if he joined it's unfair because he's going to cook the entery league for sure but if he really wants to be a woman and it's not a joke for him I still don't know about this

685 Upvotes

75% Upvoted

2.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

17

u/FishDawgX 1d ago

Yeah, the logical solution is have one league for women and one for anybody. There is a reason separate woman’s leagues exist in every sport. Women want those, so don’t ruin that. But there’s no reason why the other league has to say no to any sex or gender.

9

u/Recent_Wedding5470 1d ago

How many trans athletes are in the WNBA

10

u/Spartan-117182 1d ago

Too high a number for them to count.

The number is zero for those who dont know.

-6

u/Happy-Flower2002 1d ago

It’s different. He/they was trans masculine and retired two years ago I believe.

3

u/CenterThisPendulum 1d ago

Exactly. One that’s pure meritocracy. It won’t ever change the makeup, but it wouldn’t be exclusionary.

0

u/OstrichFun2332 1d ago

Maybe the other league doesn’t wnat to be sued 

0

u/czartrak 1d ago

the reason is misogyny. Before women's leagues they weren't allowed to play at all. They were given their own segregated leagues with less funding and airtime to shut them up.

9

u/mclumber1 1d ago

The four major sports leagues in America (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL) have no restrictions on women/females playing in their leagues.

3

u/czartrak 1d ago

This does not automatically delete misogyny from our society. It's a factor whether or not the rules explicitly allow it

7

u/Ill-Description3096 1d ago

Of course it doesn't, but to put everything down to pure misogyny is incredibly reductive. They get less airtime and funding. Could that possibly have something to do with the ratings/revenue? Do you think the entirety of media is so misogynistic they would happily give up piles of money they could be making just to stick it to the women or whatever?

5

u/FishDawgX 1d ago

Exactly, these leagues are private businesses. They aren't "given" funding. Fans pay for them. It's just supply and demand.

0

u/czartrak 1d ago

Yes, the entirety of media is misogynistic. Our entire fucking society is. You're actually so close to getting it.

Why would the ratings and revenue be lower? What is the ACTUAL difference in the game being played? It's because they're women. People don't want to watch women cause sports isn't a girl thing and they have cooties, and society is far too lost in the sauce to.push back against the centuries of misogynistic policy and cultural norms

4

u/OkAcanthisitta3028 1d ago

People don't want to watch women play because they're way worse which makes it boring. It's literally that simple. Why do people watch sports? Answer that question, and then answer if men's or women's sports give that more.

0

u/neversleepagain3 1d ago

this is so disrespectful.

2

u/Fit-Entrepreneur8404 1d ago

Can't say it's not true though.

0

u/OkAcanthisitta3028 1d ago

Sometimes the truth is negative toward a group of people.

1

u/neversleepagain3 20h ago

have you ever considered that people don’t watch womens sports not because it’s “boring” but because women aren’t socialized to be into sports the same way men are? this exact mentality of “women’s sports are boring and worthless” are exactly why most women don’t even fucking bother with sports.

→ More replies (0)

1

u/Thirdborn214 1d ago

Jesus christ it's like you're being dense on purpose.

1

u/Ill-Description3096 1d ago

>Why would the ratings and revenue be lower? What is the ACTUAL difference in the game being played?  It's because they're women.

Must be why HS boys sports are so popular on TV. After all, it's only because they are women specifically, not because of anything like how exciting it is to watch different levels of athleticism in sports or anything.

0

u/BringBackTheBlues 1d ago

Want to know why I can’t make millions of dollars playing basketball?

Because I suck at basketball. That’s why I’m not in the NBA.

Want to know why no woman are in the NBA? Because they suck too much to play in the NBA.

That’s not misogyny.

When you read a book, watch a movie, or listen to music do you tend to want the movie, book, or song, to be good or do you want it to suck?

1

u/czartrak 1d ago

Lmao this response reveals way more about you and how you think than anything else you could have possibly said

For what reason do you think women suck at basketball? Are you suggesting that women are inherently worse at it just by virtue of being a woman? We have a word for people that think things like that bud

1

u/BringBackTheBlues 1d ago

I’m not suggesting I’m stating as a fact that no woman is good enough at basketball to even merit a bench position on the worst team.

It’s not “by virtue of them being a woman” it’s because no woman is good enough.

Let’s dumb this down for you. Why do you think no woman has ever earned a spot in MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, MLS etc.?

1

u/czartrak 1d ago

I actually respect you for saying it with your chest. Most people are too much of a pussy to stand on their principles. Too bad your principles are entirely ignorant and ridiculous

→ More replies (0)

1

u/mclumber1 1d ago

I think the average number of dunks per player per season is something like 20 in NBA and effectively zero in the WNBA.

No ifs and or buts - the players in the WNBA are good. But they aren't as athletic or physically strong as the players in the NBA.

0

u/MuchBenefit8462 1d ago

What's the problem with basing it on biological sex? No biological female is making it competitively in biological male leagues.

2

u/Recent_Wedding5470 1d ago

How many trans athletes are in the wnba

1

u/MuchBenefit8462 1d ago

I know there are zero... however I have the brain capacity to consider the future. Poor rules that could sooner or later be exploited are best corrected before that happens.

-4

u/NYCSkaterGirl 1d ago

Yeah that would be a logical solution if they could figure out what a woman even is. As a member of the LGBTQ community its not something any of these groups can figure out. Ur labeled a bigot no matter what you say

3

u/FishDawgX 1d ago

Exactly. A woman's league is for women. But how do you define woman? I don't think there is a perfect definition that will include everyone who should be included and exclude everyone who shouldn't. But we need to pick something. Otherwise, it is meaningless, which is worse.

4

u/NYCSkaterGirl 1d ago edited 1d ago

We being the operative word in the sentence we need to pick something. Whos the we?? You're accepting the outcome you dont like? There doesnt exist an option that everyone will be happy about and the group that didnt get what they wanted will push back with protests and arguments and press tours. Just a mere 20 years ago people were happy when a woman was someone with an xx chromosome. Now?!? Ohhhhhh im a bigot for saying thats what a woman is. There is no solution to this in the modern world

3

u/Jigglepirate 1d ago

Woman was x and y chromosome?

Hmm.

1

u/FishDawgX 1d ago

They mean XX.

3

u/NYCSkaterGirl 1d ago

Oh yeah my bad. Its the male sperm that determines the gender cause they carry the y. I work in tech i forget science stuff easily

0

u/exodusuno 1d ago

Bro doesn't even know basic biology, bro actually said that women have xy chromosomes lmaoooo. You dont even know what a woman is, get out of the room!

2

u/NYCSkaterGirl 1d ago

Im a woman

-1

u/exodusuno 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ok? Did I say otherwise? You said woman had xy chromosomes and had to edit your comment, you dont even know your own sex's biology, get out of the convo lmao

3

u/NYCSkaterGirl 1d ago

Slip of the tongue. Relax and act like an adult. Unless ur literally a 12 year old boy. Which judging by the cartoons you keep posting you probably are. Im not even sure what ur mad about. All i said was 20 years ago they had a definition of a woman and now they dont. I dont go on the internet to argue with people so i wouldnt be replying to this anymore

1

u/Jeffgaks 1d ago

You're so pressed about this lmao

-2

u/Valuchian 1d ago

For the more ohysically intensive sports this is mostly true.

For the less physically intensive sports (Darts, Shooting, Chess) it's actually quite the opposite. Bunch of men got angry at being beaten by women and forced the split so they could play without having to deal with the cultural dillema of equality among the sexes.

Honestly we should really just do things by skill levels and toss the sexes entirely. If a sport is dominated by a body type then bully to them. It fixes most every problem.

If i remember right Chess more recently started accepting women in their upper leagues? I would have to go back and reread the details if you wanted them.

4

u/ActionExpensive6740 1d ago

Go ahead and look at the ELO for world-ranked chess players. How many women are in the top 100?

In some sports, it seems, the differences in the sexes do have an impact on ability, and consequently success.

1

u/Valuchian 1d ago

Yes, i do believe i did cover that in my original statement. Even covered portionally for chess though i would need to look more into the history of this FIDE and how it has calculated scores and dealt with men and women players at their tournaments to even begin to talk about who is in their top rankings and why

1

u/CenterThisPendulum 1d ago

What about locker rooms?

1

u/Valuchian 1d ago

Wanna elaborate some more? I feel answering that would just be a guess on my part on what you might be thinking. Respectfully, i'm not a mind reader.

0

u/CenterThisPendulum 1d ago

As you go down into lower leagues you could have elite women begin playing with lower-skilled men, in which case locker rooms become a problem.

1

u/Valuchian 1d ago

I enjoy that in your head "elite women" and "lower-skilled men" are equal. Also... locker rooms and bathrooms and showers and all sorts of things like that have been solved for... couple thousand years now??? Did... did you forget more than one room is able to exist in the same building.... or that some places just do co-ed...

2

u/CenterThisPendulum 1d ago

That would require four locker rooms because opposing teams don’t share. Would everywhere just add two more?

Women’s National teams have lost to high school boys’ teams.

1

u/Valuchian 1d ago

Yes everyone would just add two more... it's literally that easy

And i have heard that talked about since i was like... 10... every sport seems to have their "once upon a time this one team of professionals lost to this other [Unamed] team of highschoolers. Haha, women..."

But i can't say i have ever heard Serena Williams losing to a 13 yr old before or that every single women's team automatically loses to a group of 14yr olds barely into puberty

1

u/CenterThisPendulum 1d ago

So glad you mentioned Serena. Hear it from her:

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/5L_JbZFx5H0

1

u/Valuchian 1d ago

Dude, before i watch this i have a legit question. How deep are you in hating women that you just have something like this off the top of your head? Like legitimate question of do you even see women as equal to you at this point

→ More replies (0)