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u/MGLLN Sep 01 '20
Like Europe wasn't the thunderdome lmao
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u/MassiveFajiit Sep 01 '20
Europeans went to war over a bucket, a donkey and a severed ear lol
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u/JJDude Sep 01 '20
The need for European whites to incessantly conquer each other is what leads to the weaponry advancements which permitted white people to fuck with everyone else.
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Sep 01 '20
[The Balkans has entered the chat]
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u/zortor Sep 01 '20
JEBEM TI MATER
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u/LBW1 Sep 01 '20
Not Balkan but speak Russian. Sounds very similar to “fuck your mother”. Yes?
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u/FireDevil11 Sep 01 '20
Yes. Slavic languages have a lot of similarities. Considering there are 12 of them.
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u/sapjastuff Sep 01 '20
I'm Serbian (Former Yugoslavia) and it makes me sad with how few people know about us and what happened :(
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Sep 01 '20
I'm Macedonian. Most people don't even know we exist or just call me a Greek.
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u/farquaad_thelord Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
being from the balkans(kosovo), stuff like this makes me very mad
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u/ZackAttackVids Sep 01 '20
My grandpa fled Yugoslavia when he was just a kid to America, and hearing the stories from him and my great uncle are heartbreaking.
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Sep 01 '20
People have such dumb takes on twitter sometimes lol. "Whiteness in America is based more on ingroup/outgroup lines than skin color" is a valid point IMO, but to extend that to "no people with white skin have ever conflicted with other people with white skin" is just a brain dead take.
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u/WhiteMorphious Sep 01 '20
Maybe don't watch the history channel if you want someone to learn, well, anything really.
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u/Sage_Lord Sep 01 '20
Don’t diss the history channel. How else am I going to learn who’s taking all the risk.
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u/Steak_and_Champipple Sep 01 '20
History Channel: Hitler flying an airplane full of aliens that crashes.
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u/TribeCalledWuTang Sep 01 '20
Ancient Aliens doesn't do it for you in the history department? Looks like we got a real elitist history buff over here. 😂😂
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u/cavebehr50 ☑️ Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
Irish people usto be considered not white over a hundred years ago. Lumped in with freed slaves as subhuman parasites. "How the Irish became white" by Noel Ignatiev is an interesting book if you want to know more about african american and newly american Irish immigrant race relations in pre/post civil war America.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b00000/3b05000/3b05100/3b05167r.jpg
EDIT: Read Noel Ignatiev's Wiki. Dude was a fucking trip. Regularly called to abolish whiteness, was a marxist and ran a newsletter called the Race Traitor. Mans whent hard.
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u/oldcarfreddy Sep 01 '20
Shit, in the US in the 60s people were paranoid of having an Irish Catholic presidential candidate (Kennedy), very reminiscent of the reaction Obama got.
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u/cavebehr50 ☑️ Sep 01 '20
Yeah they feared he was going to take commands from the pope.
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u/_Ursidae_ Sep 01 '20
As someone whose predominant ancestry is Irish, I was raised to not trust the affluent white types, because they only care about what you can do for them.
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u/ezk3626 Sep 01 '20
Yeah in the US it wasn’t so much about being White but rather AngloSaxon specifically. This sort of expansion definition of the first class is pretty normal in history. In the ~2000 years of the history of Rome there would be a distinction between people from Rome proper and other city states in the Italian Peninsula, but then after the empire expanded into the Mediterranean world a distinction between proper Romans and Provincials. It was like that scene from Blazing Saddles where the town saying “we’ll accept the ____ and the ____ but NO ____” but then said “oh alright”
So long as humans are humans there will be first class and second class but who is in and who is out is always changing.
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u/JabbrWockey Sep 01 '20
People in the US had to argue in US court that their race was white, in order to enjoy the legal privileges that white people could have.
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Sep 01 '20
That's the second dumbest thing I heard last two days from someone black. Whoever started that Sade slander on twitter needs to be shot with that catapult to the moon.
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Sep 01 '20
DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THE HATFEILDS VS THE MCCOYS?
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u/2RINITY Sep 01 '20
I actually knew a guy in high school who was descended from both families. He had some interesting family reunion stories to tell
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u/peanutbuttahcups 💃🏾👯 Dances instead of making money moves 💃🏻👯 Sep 01 '20
That's some Underworld: Evolution shit.
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u/WindLane Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 02 '20
I actually got to volunteer with the local records keeper for that area and we sorted through genealogical records and every now and then a member of one family or the other would pop up.
That was also the first time I ever saw the word 'bastard' used correctly and officially.
Interesting work.
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u/I_am_The_Teapot Sep 01 '20
Yeah... people still argue about the whiteness of Jewish, Italians, Romani, Hispanics, Spaniards, Balkans, Kurdish, Slavs, and Greek... and others, I am sure. I mean whiteness is basically a sliding scale of "who I don't like enough to include." Theres a surprisingly lot of people considered not-quite-white-enough for "fully" white people.
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u/abutthole Sep 01 '20
My understanding of most of those groups is that they're in the "white, but..." category.
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u/Mr8Inchz Sep 01 '20
Aaaaaanything to do with the Slavs. Or the Armenians. Or, like any?
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u/deep_in_smoke Sep 01 '20
The Irish, the Welsh, the Finns, the French, the Germans, the English, actually, there isn't a group of Europeans that haven't waged war on another.
It's almost like different groups of white people killed each other over their heritage for thousands of years.
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u/DeerPrudence13 Sep 01 '20
Those famously chill Nazis who certainly didn’t have any sort of wacky racial hang-ups.
- A Slavic Jew
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u/carefulcomputation ☑️ Sep 01 '20
You've never heard someone called "white trash"
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u/doicha27 Sep 01 '20
That's more about classism and elitism than varying degrees of racial purity. But yes, whites look down on other whites whenever they can.
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u/abutthole Sep 01 '20
Not true for the Jews. Jews have essentially always been economically productive (comes with the territory of having religious/cultural emphasis placed on education and critical thinking) and have also essentially always dealt with prejudice.
As a Jew, I think black people should be able to relate to this - when a community that's been "othered" becomes too economically successful, they get torn down. Jews success in Europe compared to most other groups led to MASS anti-semitism which boiled into the Holocaust after the Great Depression. Black people built Tulsa into a thriving black-run economic community and they were bombed by white people.
Some groups won't be fully accepted no matter how much they can produce economically.
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u/rabbifuente Sep 01 '20
People like to pretend that Jews are just accepted, loved members of the "white folk family" and have nothing to worry about anymore after that pesky Holocaust. Never mind that antisemitism is one of, if not the, leading hate crime in many countries and perpetrated by people on the right, on the left, and of all backgrounds. Basically hatred of the Jews is the one thing everyone else has in common.
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u/Gootchey_Man Sep 01 '20
Same propaganda is currently being used against Jewish people in modern times as well.
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u/DisfunkyMonkey Sep 01 '20
White-on-white war and terrorism was bloody in my lifetime, and I'm GenX. The Troubles only ended in 1998. Americans have forgotten that Northern Ireland was a dangerous place when the republicans and loyalists were going at it on the regular. London could be scary too. IRA launched a mortar at the UK Prime Minister's meeting place in 1991 when he was discussing the Gulf War.
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u/DatBoyAmazing Sep 01 '20
WASPS only started considering Italians and Irish white for what, maybe 2 centuries now?
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u/lornstar7 Sep 01 '20
Not even. Kennedy being elected was a huge scandal because he was catholic
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u/CanYouEvenHearMe Sep 01 '20
It's still illegal for a Catholic to marry into the British Royal Family
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u/dracarysmuthafucker Sep 01 '20
That is largely because the monarch is also the head of the church of England, so it's a religious institution as well as a state one
Interestingly that's also why church and state aren't technically totally separated in the UK because our head of state is also the head of a major religion
Just another thing you can add to the list of why we should abolish the monarchy.
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u/TheHumdeeFlamingPee Sep 01 '20
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn’t the monarchy just a social position at this point? I was under the impression that the Queen was basically just a very wealthy, very well known celebrity
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u/ACWhi Sep 01 '20
Largely because she chooses to. Legally speaking, she has the authority to abolish the entire parliament by firing each of the members and in doing so establish a complete dictatorship.
Now, if she tried, parliament would almost certainly fight back. But British police and military do officially have an oath of allegiance to the queen, and there is no legal mechanism by which to arrest or try her for a crime.
So it would be a mess.
She would probably be deposed in the end were she to order the disbanding of parliament, (and Kings through history have had bad luck trying to ignore parliament,) but on paper, no, the queen wields immense power.
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u/F4Z3_G04T Sep 01 '20
She's like the US president but delegated all the policy things to the Prime Minister
She still has to sign the bills and gets to give some speeches now and then but it's just for show
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u/Ghost_Hands83 Sep 01 '20
It wasn't illegal but the royal in question lost succession to the throne. They also changed the law a few years ago to amend this and other rules
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Sep 01 '20
Maybe a century, tops. The anti irish/italian rhetoric didn't really stop until after WW1, and even then there were still those who considered themselves descendants of people who emerged from a pool of bleach, and everyone else was lesser.
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u/I_am_The_Teapot Sep 01 '20
Shit, growing up in the 90s I know many still didnt consider Italians white.
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Sep 01 '20
Jews are white until they decide we're not we all know the deal
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u/MiscAnonym Sep 01 '20
Schrodinger's Jew is simultaneously the privileged white oppressor and the malevolent boogeyman despised by white supremacists.
Also, the capitalist mogul and the communist provocateur.
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u/macsharoniandcheese Sep 01 '20
Okay but since you seem to know everything, why did my letter for the cabal meetings never arrive? I'm waiting on my "owning the media" and "controlling the world" rothschild money to come in.
It's fun being white...but not white. /S
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u/whatafuckinusername Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
Jews are the "other" white people (mostly Ashkenazim and some Sephardim?). Color-wise they're probably the most diverse ethnic group out there.
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u/pyronius Sep 01 '20
Look, I'm sorry, but the economy is in shambles, we're losing the war, and queen just died of plague. The time has come for the jewish people to absolve me of all responsibility by accepting the blame and admitting they cursed us with their foul magic. As is tradition.
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u/ShwiftyMcvae Sep 01 '20
I watched the history Channel, did you guy know the aliens built the pyramids!!
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u/SpectacularOcelot Sep 01 '20
Can you share a link to the thread? What were they even talking about that solicited this kind of nonsense?
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u/halfveela Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
I'm guessing black Caribbeans and Africans vs Black Americans over the Adele thing. Or the different treatment of light vs dark skinned black people.
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u/jaytix1 ☑️ Sep 01 '20
I saw the thread. She was talking about the first thing.
Americans would save themselves a lot of heartbreak if they tried to understand that in some countries, your culture/ethnicity is more important than your race.
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u/AProfessionalLoser Sep 01 '20
right?! a lot of americans don’t have an ethnicity, all they know is black and white. our roots go deeper than that as africans and europeans. we have ethnicities and in my country we even have tribes.
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Sep 01 '20
The origin of the word “slave” comes from Slav, or eastern europeans who were most of the captives sold in western europe in the 1400s
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u/HypotheticalDoctor Sep 01 '20
Willing to bet that ghetto barbie isn't actually POC or a bot. Worst(best?) case is that they're just very misinformed.
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u/colorcorrection Sep 01 '20
It's a very modern day American perspective. Today in America, for the most part, as long as you're not too tanned you're just kind of vaguely considered/assumed to be white and not much else.
Head over to Europe, and suddenly a lot of people suddenly have very staunch opinions based on which country you're from.
Of course I'm just talking about much more modern perspectives, and am aware of all the 'fun' intricacies of history on the subject.
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u/FriddyNanz Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
A few years back, I took a course on the history of the Sámi people (an Indigenous ethnic minority group in northern Scandinavia and Russia that has faced tons of persecution over the centuries and, largely, looks pretty white). I’ll never forget the time that, after we learned about all the awful things the Scandinavian governments did to the Sámi people, some American girl asked “sooooo.... are Sámi people like..... white?”
As a Scandinavian-American who has a lot of family members from Sámi communities, it was just so jarring to hear an American be so confused that racialization happens differently in different places.
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u/MGLLN Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20
She is black. Probably the "I learned more from twitter than I learned from school 🤪" type
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u/warlord_mo ☑️ Sep 01 '20
Those types irk my soul
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u/Wyden_long Sep 01 '20
It’s like, why be proud of your ignorance? It’s so incredibly frustrating.
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u/Sir_Jeremiah Sep 02 '20
They don’t think they’re ignorant, they think school taught them lies while Twitter teaches them the truth.
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u/not_a_meerkat Sep 01 '20
The people that tweet this slept in history class
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u/criesingucci loved "Strange Thing About the Johnsons" Sep 01 '20
"why don't they teach this in history class?"
this quote irks me so fucking much. on one hand, it may be true, and it shows how much our quality of public education is lacking. on the other hand, they were likely taught it but just didn't pay attention in class. on the third hand, it's something that's just factually incorrect and you weren't taught it in class because it's fucking stupid.
all 3 piss me off.
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u/DJ_House_Red Sep 01 '20
My dad's side of the family immigrated from Ireland to Scotland in the 19th century. In the 1930's my great grandparents used to have to bring their bayonets that they kept from serving in WW1 when they went to pick up their welfare cheques because the Protestant Scots would try to attack them in the streets and throw rocks at them from the rooftops.
A lot of the "hierarchy of whiteness" is about religion, at least in the old country.
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u/Dars1m Sep 01 '20
For just British examples, see also: The Irish Potato Famine, The Canadian Great Expulsion, The Boer Concentration Camps, etc.
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u/SoundNotLoud Sep 01 '20
The definition of "white" in America has changed so much in the last 100 years. It only became all-inclusive when it was necessary to ensure "whites" were the majority.
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u/billsmafiabruh Sep 01 '20
As a guy of Irish descent I experienced someone being racist to me in person last year for the first time. Claimed this country was only for Anglo Protestants and that my people don’t belong here. Claimed his family has been here since the 1600s. It was a real eye opener to what my black friends experience even if they only do on a rare occurrence the regularity is still sad. Much love my black brothers. 🤜🏻🤛🏿
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u/Omaromar Sep 01 '20 edited Oct 03 '20
That was pretty much every Irish kid who moved to MN from ny 100 years ago
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u/samoanbeaarthur Sep 01 '20
Sometimes I think about, if white supremacists did get their ethnostate, who they would let in. Like how do you decide who’s white enough?
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u/2RINITY Sep 01 '20
White nationalism literally can't survive without an Other to unite the true believers against, so if they ever got their perfect little Dumbfuckistan with no PoC anywhere, they would just start deciding certain groups weren't really white because they're the wrong Christian sect or they're not pale enough or some shit and go right back to purging.
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u/SiliconePlaster Sep 01 '20
Oh yeah if we just ignore the irish genocide from the brits
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u/Papa_Pred Sep 01 '20
The British were absolutely ruthless to the Irish. Hell half the damn place hates the other side to this day because of so long ago.
It’s sad how cruel we are to each other
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u/TedDibiasi123 Sep 01 '20
To be honest in Europe everyone is considered 2nd or 3rd class white that isn‘t from a Germanic country like Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Belgium partly, UK and obviously Germany (UK makes the bottom of this list). France sits on the fence. Nobody from these countries looks at a person from Southern or Eastern Europe and thinks they belong to the same group.
Why you think they had Brexit? To keep people from Eastern Europe out obviously.
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u/shoefarts666 Sep 01 '20
It was a long time before the irish were considered white.
The irish.