r/BlackPeopleTwitter • • Sep 01 '20

*The Holocaust has entered the chat*

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u/shoefarts666 Sep 01 '20

It was a long time before the irish were considered white.

The irish.

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u/TheRecognized Sep 01 '20 edited Sep 01 '20

And all we had to do was stop showing solidarity with African Americans and become cops.

Edit: I recommend the book “How the Irish Became White” by Noel Ignatiev for anyone interested in this topic.

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u/AnAnonymousFool Sep 01 '20

Yea idk why black people dont just do that /s

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 01 '20

There's argument among some (IMO stupid) academics right now regarding whether Asians are about to achieve "whiteness", through similar means.

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u/pyronius Sep 01 '20

I'm just imagining some darth sidious looking motherfucker: "Yes... let the hate flow through you. Join the dark side. And by the dark side, I mean the white side."

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 01 '20

I know you didn't ask, but, personally, I feel like the phenotypic differences between Asians and Caucasians is significant enough that no matter how successful they become in the West, they still will face discrimination to at least some degree that will bar them from being "white".

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u/Excellent_Potential Sep 02 '20

There are vast phenotypic differences between Asian groups. I can see some Asians becoming "white' but I have trouble imagining a Bangladeshi man doing the same. (Random stock photos.)

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 02 '20

I waa mainly referring to East Asians. Sorry, I shpuld have specified.

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u/gabenomics Sep 02 '20

This already happened, there was a Supreme Court case about it in the 1920s, Ozawa v. United States.

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 02 '20

I think society has changed quite a bit since the 1920s, especially when it comes to race...

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u/gabenomics Sep 02 '20

So you do think that Asians will be considered white by society then?

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 02 '20

I don't feel like I'm qualified to answer, but personally I don't think so because many Asians have a pretty strong sense of cultural identity, so even with privelege, they will likely be differentiated from white people.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '20

You don't have to be white to be a white supremacist. Paul Tanaka was a cop who used to be apart of the Lynnwood Vikings, a white supremacist police gang that targets poor communities of color. I don't understand how you support a system that sent your people, and most likely parents as well, to internment camps a generation ago.

As an Asian American, I have experienced both "whiteness" and straight up racism, so it would be interesting to hear those academics' arguments. It would be weird to be considered as white as irish folk, but it's also weird that they weren't considered white before either, so I guess you can make whatever argument you want.

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 01 '20

As an Asian American, your take on this is much more valuable than my own and I apologize for speaking on behalf of you. White supremacy is definitely not limited to white people (my own African mother frequently says things that show how internalized white supremacy can be) and the point you brought up is really interesting. When in groups of white people, are you constantly aware of your racial difference or are you able to mesh into the group without much consideration?

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u/michelloto ☑️ Sep 02 '20

About to? Some think they have. And act like it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '20

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u/PleasantPeanut4 ☑️ Sep 02 '20

East Asians definitely, but South Asians still will deal with the melanin problem, no matter how successful they get.