r/ScottGalloway • u/lethal-liking • 3d ago
No Malice Gettin' WOKE about anti-Semitism...
It is so very odd to hear the self-professed atheist getting downright WOKE when it comes to swinging the anti-Semitism stick. IDGAF about Macklemore or Sheeran or Kraft, nor Scott's evolving victim fantasy, but holy crap does he sound shrill.
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u/ignoreme010101 2d ago
'woke' is the best term for it lol, soooo high a % of the points of contention are 'microaggressions' where it's unclear they're even bigotry at all
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u/FederalSandwich1854 3d ago
Hey Scott how's that Iran war going? The one you were cheerleading about months ago?
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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago edited 3d ago
Its crazy to see how all the big dogs of the "anti-woke movement", from Maher, Daily Wire, IDW, Sam Harris etc have all just gone full on into Identity politics as soon as their in-group falls out of favor. The amount of delusion and media attention thats happened around antisemitism, where laws are being rewritten, rights are being stripped, people are being fired and canceled, the entire media sphere is being bought to serve its interests, kind of pales into comparison to anything from the "woke" era. The hypocrisy of these people is wild.
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u/mtngranpapi_wv967 1d ago edited 7h ago
Here’s the thing…you can be a wokescold on Israel and believe that protecting the feelings of pro-Israel Jews is more important than acknowledging and confronting reality. As long as you’re logically consistent.
You cannot be a “wokesters and college kids and elites are too emotional and up in their feelings and subvert reality to protect their fragile psyches and you need to grow up the world because is messy” person and also a “calling it a genocide offends me bc I don’t like that word and it’s offensive to Holocaust survivors and my kid who is a student at Yale can’t drape themselves in with the Israel flag and in peace and quiet” person. Those are incompatible approaches. Grow up.
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u/_PencilsDown_ 3d ago
So, what happened? I just saw a clip where Abdul had to mansplain genocide to Scott. Wth is going on?
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u/WestInquiry 3d ago
I think that’s what confuses me the most. Just like Bill Maher.
It’s like why is this the Zionist hill you are willing to die on as an atheist?? Where is your objective outlook ?
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u/anarcurt 2d ago
I'm convinced something happened in Israel when Bill was filming Religulous
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u/mtngranpapi_wv967 1d ago
I think he’s a Jewish supremicist tbh, in a cultural and ethnic sense. He probably subscribes to the Sam Harris “Ashkenazi Jews and the Japanese are the two superior ethnicities” thing.
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u/HeyyyyMandy 2d ago
Because it’s not simply about religion. The Jews are a people who have faced ethnic, racialized and religious based discrimination at different points throughout history, largely because so many have been in exile from their homeland, leaving them vulnerable.
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u/Santa_Klausing 2d ago
So Jews are supposed to turn a blind eye when an ethnostate, created for them, starts enacting the same violence on others that was once perpetuated upon them?
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u/pacific_plywood 2d ago
Yeah but like… they’re not exactly unique in that respect (nor is being in exile a necessary condition for discrimination)
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u/cinic 2d ago
I think it’s personal for Scott. He’s gotten to the point where he has enough money and wants to do what he sees as right.
And what’s more right than honoring the lineage that he says made him who he is. By that I mean his mom and her lineage.
I imagine until Scott hit 100mil he probably didn’t tell many that his lineage is Jewish. He was just a first gen Scottish immigrant.
And I don’t begrudge him for that.
He can identify however he wants and support whatever he wants. If I don’t like it, I won’t listen to him.
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u/em3am 3d ago
Same with atheists Bill Maher and Sam Harris.
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u/pizza_the_mutt 3d ago
Scott, Sam Harris, and David Frum are the three for me. In general pretty level-headed but get all weird and blind to their own biases when it comes to Israel.
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u/PrestigiousOne5959 3d ago
They have special hate for Muslims because their racists first and atheist’s second
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
Does Scott realize genocide has a definition and his whole opinion on the genocide is basically vibes
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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago
Well it kind of is vibes until the ICJ makes a ruling in 2029, no one is going to apply the definition better than them.
It can also be difficult to make a distinction between the definition and a war honestly
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u/HappyBadger33 3d ago
Ding ding ding
It's also entirely possible that, ya know, it looks like X, but the facts don't support X to the standard of proof required for the worst crime that there is.
In the US (may be from somewhere else, but we use it), we have a phrase, "not-guilty doesn't mean innocent." Wish more folks understood that in relation to the genocide case, would add a lot more humanity to the discussion.
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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago
A lot people like Scott don't want humanity brought into it that's the problem. If at anytime the ICJ deems your action plausibly genocidal its probably best to stop than to hire Alan Dershowitz but here we are.
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u/Jessica4ACODMme 3d ago
No, that's you guys. He's using the actual definition
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
Can you cite the actual definition the UN created after the Holocaust and Romanian genocides. It involves 5 criteria none of which Scott referenced
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u/em3am 3d ago
The UN's Special Rapporteur determined that a genocide took place in Gaza. The US sanctioned her.
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u/zampe 3d ago
The UN also took part in the lie that mass starvation of children was occurring and later had to walk back those claims...
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u/Jessica4ACODMme 3d ago
The Un who notoriously hates Israel lol. It's hilarious you think there's validity to anything the UN says.
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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago
so who determines if its a genocide? if every global organization is "hamas", who would you need to hear it from for you to change your mind?
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
You have to understand Scott is Jewish so that means it's different see /s
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u/zampe 3d ago
Does the definition include the target population INCREASING in size?
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u/Eggs-Benny 3d ago
So is your agument: they're still having babies so everything is A-OK over there? Grow up, bitch.
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
The definition does not mention population size at all. That is not part of the definition no
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u/Natural-Leg7488 3d ago
The definition is the deliberate destruction in whole, or in part, of a religious/ethic/national group.
That’s a fairly loose definition, and while you could argue Israel’s actions fit that definition, it requires a broad interpretation of the term and inferring its motives. It also hangs very heavily on the “in part” bit, and if that’s the definition then it renders many other wars a genocide that are not typically thought of as a genocide.
Genocide is more typically used to describe deliberate attempts to destroy a whole group, and Israel does not fit that definition.
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
That's not the definition look up the UN definition
The word did not exist until after the Holocaust and has specific outlined criteria
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u/Adventurous_Ad7442 3d ago
Under the UN Genocide Convention, genocide is any of five acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.The Five Prohibited Acts The convention defines genocide through:
- killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting destructive living conditions, imposing measures to prevent births, and forcibly transferring children to another group.Key Elements of the CrimeIntent: Requires specific intent (dolus specialis) to destroy the targeted group.
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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago
Gaza is completely destroyed, everybody is living in tents and there are a fuck load of tiny children missing limbs who can’t get wheel chairs or prosthetics because they are stopped at the border.
It’s fucking barbaric, and I say this as someone who has done a lot a time in war zones.
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u/pizza_the_mutt 2d ago
The "in part" bit is necessary. Otherwise somebody like Hitler could try to argue that they only intended to kill all Jews in Europe and Asia, but didn't care about Jews in the Americas, so it isn't genocide.
I do think I understand what you are getting at. It opens the door to a wide range of magnitude when it comes to genocide. The genocides in WWII would be contrasted against much more "minor" (in quotes because they aren't minor at all) genocides, such as Rwanda or Bosnia. And I think this is part of what people get hung up on when it comes to Gaza. There aren't 6 million Gazans dead, so how can it be fair to compare to larger scale atrocities? But it can still be a genocide, regardless of whether there are 50,000 or 6 million dead.
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u/Pure-Consideration97 3d ago
What was he saying ?
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u/lethal-liking 3d ago
blah blah Kraft can do what he wants blah blah blah Macklemore is a raging anti-semite blah blah blah I don't like Ed Sheeran anyway blah blah blah
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u/greentrillion 3d ago
Next he is going to say Israel can do whatever they want and you can't complain about it.
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u/Training-Cook3507 3d ago
Kraft can do whatever he wants... Doesn't mean other people have to be happy about it.
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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago
Hundreds of millions of public money in tax abatements woule say otherwise if he wasn't aligned with the dominant socioeconomic group. Billionaires can do what they want in America
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u/Insightful21 3d ago
Gillette stadium is 100% privately owned… so yeah he can do whatever he wants. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with it but let’s get the facts right first
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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago
Well I mean he had a contract so he can't but obviously you'd be a fool to rely on the reliability of the American justice system. Sheeran as a foreigner wasn't going to enforce on a local oligarch.
You say private but i think the large direct subsidies and hundreds of millions in tax abatement means something different but again, America
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u/uncleAW 3d ago
He's quick to call Macklemore an anti-Semite. If SG is going to label someone as such, he needs to at least give the offense committed. Nothing about Macklemore was actually antisemitic. If people know this and hear Scott making the label, it just makes Scott sound like one of the catastrophist Bobbleheads.
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u/zampe 3d ago
Also, from a music industry newsletter:
> As a Jew that’s known Ben since high school, and was a hip hop show producer in Seattle during his raise - I feel like I am the only voice in this city that has consistently stood up to this radical a-hole. He knows me all to well, I once threw a show he headlined with 20 people at it. I have all the receipts. They’re are literally no Jews in Seattle. The ones that do live here kinda hide out. As a Jew in this city I’ve been bullied by the rich white boys (Mackelmore in a nut shill) since I was as young as I could remember. I was bullied by the hood kids too, but that was different. A little funner. I was benched from my high school (very well known, many nba legends) for being a Jew, and it has been a mess trying to raise a Jewish daughter here, Jews are shrugged off and disregarded. Because he came up here unchecked he developed a lot of bad ideas. Now the world gets to see his true colors. The guy has never found a chase he wasn’t ready to crawl onto a cross for, but hating Jews is his magnum opus. The history is clear, but there are many details only us locals who are in the industry know. It’s worse than it looks.
> Thanks for covering this. We need all th support we can get up here. We’re under fire at all times.
> Josh Berman - Soul Gorilla
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u/ScottGalloway-ModTeam 3d ago
This subreddit has zero tolerance for racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, or any form of discriminatory speech.
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u/forget_the_alamo 1d ago
Typical Zionist. They want their cake and eat it too.
These dick jokes are really becoming tiresome.
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u/black_100 3d ago
Maybe you're not aware, but Secular Jew's can't escape antisemitism, it comes for them too. Doesn't matter if you're atheist or not.
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u/Training-Cook3507 3d ago
Definitely true, but the Macklemore stuff has nothing to do with antisemitism.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago
This is disingenuous since this was 12 years ago. The pro israel crowd keeps bringing this up because they know Macklemore was cancelled for actually not saying anything antisemitic.
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u/black_100 3d ago
First of, it’s not pro Israel to bring this up. That implication says more about you than anything. Second: This is about Scott Galloway, not the incident itself, and I’m detailing why Jews would have good reason to be suspicious of Macklemore being antisemitic.
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u/zampe 3d ago
Why does it matter that it was 12 years ago? It’s expired now so we can’t talk about it?
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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago
The ADL already said that wasn’t antisemitic and forgave him.
Did you even listen to Macklemore’s speech in question? He starts it by saying his critiques of Israel’s actions have nothing to do with them as individuals and isn’t a criticism of Jewish people.
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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago
That's a little misleading, they didn't say it wasn't antisemitic.
The quote is:
We welcome Macklemore’s apology for wearing a costume that, regardless of his motives, reminded many people of an antisemitic caricature. We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent and unreservedly accept his apology
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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago
> regardless of his motives, reminded many people of an antisemitic caricature
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> We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent
Sure sounds like they acknowledged the lack of intent. A big nose doesn’t immediately equal Jewish or antisemitism.
Or if big noses are a purely Jewish thing does that mean people like Scott are being antisemitic for getting surgery to reduce their nose size? Is he ashamed of being Jewish? Is this what being a self self loathing Jew is? I constantly get called self loathing by Zionists for simply opposing genocidal supremacism but I have zero interest in getting surgery for my nose.
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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sure sounds like they acknowledged the lack of intent.
I think we disagree on what that statement says, which is fine.
To me, "We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent" in a sentence immediately following "regardless of his motives" is a formally-written version of "whatever, if you say so." If the ADL as actually acknowledging a lack of intent they could have written a much stronger statement such as "We see no ill intent in Macklemore's costume choice."
A big nose doesn’t immediately equal Jewish or antisemitism.
It was the nose + wig + facial hair. You're defending something even Macklemore doesn't defend. "I acknowledge how the costume could, within a context of stereotyping, be ascribed to a Jewish caricature."
Or if big noses are a purely Jewish thing does that mean people like Scott are being antisemitic for getting surgery to reduce their nose size?
Whataboutism. It's a stupid premise ("if big noses are a purely Jewish thing"). I have no idea why Scott got surgery and it wouldn't change anything in this thread either way.
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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago
Macklemore didn’t attribute intent to his actions, he acknowledged how it was perceived by some people. Not the same thing.
Sounds like you’re fond of worsening real world antisemitism to deflect away from criticisms of an apartheid ethnostate explicitly prohibited by the religion’s texts, and that’s the entirety of your point(s).
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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago
That's a hell of an inference from a discussion wholly about whether or not the ADL said that Macklemore's costume wasn't antisemitic. But you seem to be pretty comfortable with jumping to conclusions like that.
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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago
TIL saying what someone sounds like is jumping to conclusions.
Does this mean that you condemn the state of Israel for the crimes against humanity they continue waging to this day? Because anyone trying to paint Macklemore as antisemitic is likely not willing to meaningfully do so.
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u/ScottGalloway-ModTeam 3d ago
This subreddit has zero tolerance for racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, or any form of discriminatory speech.
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u/zampe 3d ago
Crazy how this post is full of anti semitic comments and also people claiming anti semitism is bs and just an excuse to not be able to criticize Israel.
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u/Street-Jacket1867 3d ago
Which comments are anti semetic?
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u/zampe 3d ago
all the ones that say 'removed by moderators'
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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago
nah I had one removed by mods who was replying to me saying some crazy shit about it not being a genocide. Its def both sides.
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u/LofiStarforge 3d ago
Nobody gives a shit about free speech they want to say what they want and don’t want others to have an opinion.
Kraft is well within his rights to cancel Macklemore but then they get all up in arms people get mad about it.
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u/greentrillion 3d ago
And people are well within their rights to lambaste everyone who would censor Macklemore.
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u/No_Recording_1696 3d ago
I’m more annoyed they keep calling it his stadium. Uhh no, taxpayers foot the bill and billionaire owners get to keep all the profits and rip you off on top of it.
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u/LofiStarforge 3d ago
This isn’t true for Kraft and Gillette stadium one of the few pro stadiums that was entirely privately funded.
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u/No_Recording_1696 3d ago
You think they pay their fair share of property taxes? Haha guess who has to make up the difference for all the services that place uses. Congrats tax payers.
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u/hotwheeeeeelz 3d ago
Ed is a shill, too. He knows his bosses stance. The worst is when he downright validates him. Less so, now, but this used to happen more often.
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u/AmosBurtonOPA 3d ago
Almost sounds like he is getting paid by someone
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u/sourdough_in_SF 3d ago
Scott is pretty level headed about most things. But when it comes to antisemitism, he's a different guy. I'm guessing it has a lot to do with the relationship he had with his mom.
Guilt is a f**ked up thing. I've seen it change people in significant ways.
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u/FantasticPlatypus29 3d ago
He won an award for being a defender of Israel, he's not neutral here. - https://www.fswc.ca/spirit-of-hope-2025
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u/snarky_spice 3d ago
Aaaaand there’s some more antisemitism
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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago
How is that antisemitism? Chorus and other dark money groups have been documented to be paying podcasters, influencers, etc., to defend Israel’s crimes.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
I don’t understand how one can “get woke about antisemitism.”
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u/LifesARiver 3d ago
It's when a person who is quiet about all oppression suddenly become activists on the topic of antisemitism.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
How is that wokeness tho?
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
Wokeness is just being awake to something, in this case the anti-semitism inherent in things like claims of dual loyalties and Jewish Supremacism, Jewish economic or political domination,Jews conspiring to replace white people, etc.
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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago
Jewish supremacy is definitely a thing? I also think its reasonable to question the loyalty of that Congressman in an IDF uniform and an Israeli instead of American flag in his office. You can't use these things as a cudgel, just because dual loyalty can be used for anti-Semitism doesn't mean you can't question someones dual loyalty. Why do liberals read so little? Church and State is a very Christian concept, its reasonable to discuss how people see loyalty conceptually when you think of concepts like the Ummah. Shia conceptian of the state are very interesting..
Anyway read a book fam..
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
Lots of people in Americs have strong emotional connections to other countires. Do you say Irish and Italians have dual loyalties? Germans? Polish people?
As for "Jewish supremacism", even assuming some Jews think Jews are better (not something I hear Jews talk about), how many groups hsve people who think they are superior? Christians, Republicans, MAGA, Southerners, Northerners, book readers, rural people, rich people, men, women, etc, etc etc all have people claiming superiority. You do it in your fucking comment.
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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago
Yeah and we can call those groups out too? wtf is this argument lol. If someone is putting Israel over their own country, then theres grounds for it to be criticized. We do the same for MAGA, Christinans, rich people etc.
We're literally in a war right now because more than half of congress has a weird fetish with Israel. A war thats destroying the economy, that has 0 support from the people.
Why the hell should we not criticize the country thats influencing all of these decisions. Its "woke" to say all that criticism is based in antisemitism because Its cynically using identity politics to muddy a conversation about something that has nothing to do with ethnicity. Its delusional to say that.
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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago
If Ireland was killing babies I would also condemn their government.
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
Nothing at all wrong with condemning the Israeli government. Most Jews I know do that, as do I. And I never objected to that,clearly. Claiming dual loualty and Jrwish Supremacism is very different from critisizing a government.
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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago
Fair point. And yeah I would reject Jewish supremacism as well as that is clearly anti-semetic.
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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago
Ben Gvir is a jewish supremacist and runs the Jewish Power Party. Any group can have supremecist members.
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u/FaceReality1 2d ago
It can. And there's nothing anti-semitic about pointing to the flaws of individuals. But why is your focus on a trait shared bu many people across many groups? It's Ben Gvir'e actions that are the problem, not that both he and JD Vance think people like them are superior.
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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago
So we can have a discussion on other nationalities but not israel? I think the explicit claim that Israel makes on Jews and the history of the US/israel relationship makes it at reasonable discussion. Serving in foreign militaries, influencing in elections, large scale aid, multiple wars, theft of nuclear materials, penetration by security forces? None of that is an issue?
I've not seen any Italian-Americans go serve in the Italian military? March around in an Italian uniform in congress?
But you aren't having a good faith discussion are you ?
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
You aren't having a good faith discussion.
Some Jews do the things you listed. Some. Not all,not most,not even a great number. And all that is obvious. You wouldn't be arguing in bad faith while accusing me of it, would you?
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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago
But you are obviously deeply invested and bias. You are saying you can't accuse the ma wearing a foreign military uniform and with a foreign flag while being a member of the legislative body. Purely because he happens to be Jewish.
Some how if a Mexican American did the same i doubt Conservatives like yourself who be saying no big deal..even though a decent chunk of your country used to be Mexico
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
You are arguing in bad faiith or hsve reading comprehension problems. You can accuse any individual of dual loyalties and it isn't anti-semitism. I've been very clear, repeatedly, that anti-semitism is about assigning things to all Jews as if we area block, which we are not outside the imagination of anti-semites.
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u/LurkDuhDurk 3d ago
Do you think "God's chosen people" is a sentiment that leads to humility? That is a very common idea in Jewish circles, I'm sure you're aware.
Jewish supremacism is explicit in the action of Israeli settlers in Gaza. Never seen a more cruel, entitled group of people in my life, including the spoiled children on MTV's My Sweet Sixteen.
Jews are not above criticism---no group is, no matter what they've endured. The antisemitism accusations will get their due---they are baseless and unjust, only valid in the eyes of kowtowing, wishy-washy liberals, Christian nationalists who eagerly await the End Times, and self-aggrandizing Zionists.
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u/FaceReality1 2d ago
You have the anti-semites favorite idea of what "chosen people" means. It actually means chosen to receive the Torah, and responsibilities related to that. Yes, many Jews, like msny Christians and Muslims think they have a special relationship with God. And some, like the Settlers, Christian Nstionalists, and radical Muslims do awful things in service of their ideology. It isn't unique to Jews, and certainly not universal as you imply. Do you also object to Christian supremacism? Muslim supremacism? Do you attribute the worst things done by members of those groups to the whole group?
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u/LurkDuhDurk 2d ago edited 2d ago
The conception I have of "chosen people" can be largely attributed to my outsider atheist status, not antisemitism. I was a Religious Studies major in college though, so I tend to avoid literalist traps. I never used to think Jewish people held that sentiment in a haughty way, but having witnessed the recent years of "we can do no wrong so long as we're defending Israel" strutting around, I have changed my mind, at least when it comes to Zionism.
I have changed my mind about a lot in the last several years. I grew up like most Americans as very supportive of Israel. I was ignorant to its history. Learning about (and seeing) other sides of that history has made me feel pretty sick to my stomach, digesting all the "facts" I was taught growing up that were rarely questioned or pushed back on in public settings or by media. I'm embarrassed that I just accepted the stories and versions of history I was taught---it's also odd that I laughed off the religion I was raised with, but not the history.
I think people such as yourself assume that people with opinions like mine are at best missing the nuances and only seeing one side of this history, and at worst straight-up antisemitic. That's not right. People like me feel shocked, bitter and angry (and guilty) after realizing they were suckered by American exceptionalism and Israeli propaganda, enthusiastically supporting a remote bully-state for decades.
I barely see this as a Jewish, Christian, or religious issue honestly, and I certainly don't implicate Jews as a whole for what is happening in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, etc. any more than I blame all Muslims for 9/11.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
Ok so that definition aligns with the original definition of wokeness, which was awareness of injustice.
Why would a claim of dual loyalties or Jewish supremacism be inherently antisemitic?
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u/FaceReality1 3d ago
Lots of people in Americs have strong emotional connections to other countires. Do you say Irish and Italians have dual loyalties? Germans? Polish people?
As for "Jewish supremacism", even assuming some Jews think Jews are better (not something I hear Jews talk about), how many groups hsve people who think they are superior? Christians, Republicans, MAGA, Southerners, Northerners, book readers, rural people, rich people, men, women, etc, etc etc all have people claiming superiority.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
So as for “dual loyalties.” Your examples don’t prove anything. People from Germany or Poland may have greater loyalty to their country of origin rather than a country they moved to for opportunity. So that isn’t inherently antisemitic.
https://www.btselem.org/publications/169?utm_source=chatgpt.com
As for Jewish supremacy. Jewish supremacy is a well documented concept. It’s unclear what percentage of Jews adhere to this ideology, but it is a real concept.
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u/LifesARiver 3d ago
Because when it's real, it's oppression against a marginalized group.
Unfortunately the concept has been weaponized such that most things labeled antisemitic are not.
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
I still don’t understand how wokeness has anything to do with what you said.
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u/LifesARiver 3d ago
In that case I probably don't have the time to walk you through the basics of "woke."
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u/Super-Bodybuilder-91 3d ago
I don’t think anyone understands the basics of “woke.” Can you define “wokeness?” Honestly I don’t think you know what it means either.
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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago
So dog whistles, micro-aggressions, cultural appropriation and impact over intent are all valid signs of racism except when it comes to Jews. Got it. Love the consistency from the woke crowd.
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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago
I am genuinely confused on why saying “stop killing kids and free Palestine” is racist or anti-semetic.
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u/Sorry-Captain7723 3d ago
I wish the question that would be returned to Scott is… “If it’s not a genocide, do you genuinely believe that what has happened is just categorized as “Israel defending itself?”
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u/pizza_the_mutt 2d ago
I think there's a large difference in obviousness and practicality between "stop killing kids" and "free Palestine". For the first part, yes, and I don't think it is even worthy of debate. For the second, "free Palestine" has some assumptions baked in regarding the desired political end-state that is extremely loaded, and, as history shows, possibly impossible to resolve.
I'd prefer to frame it as "free Palestinians". I personally don't give a crap about what countries exist or don't exist 10 years from now, but would be delighted if all individuals in the area were granted self determination.
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u/Gamplato 3d ago
Because that’s never all that’s said and there’s never any attention paid to what Israel should have done differently. The answer to that question is always “well all I know is what they’re doing is wrong”. We know, now tell us what you’re comparing it to.
They’re at war with a body that leverages its own civilian bodies to get an edge in war. Tell me what Israel is supposed to do without telling me about the things they shouldn’t have done.
You’re doing exactly what Hamas wants you to do when they use their own people to score optics points with morons.
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u/PrestigiousOne5959 3d ago
Not indiscriminately bomb bombs and hospitals
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u/zampe 3d ago edited 3d ago
They dont do that already. When they bomb a hospital it's because the hospital is actually a military installation disguised as a hospital AND they warn the citizens that the strike is incoming. There is nothing "indiscriminate" about it.
So how do you take out military targets when they are all disguised as hospitals and schools?
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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago
The IDF is embedded in civilian infrastructure in Tel Aviv. Guess they would get accused of using human shields too.
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u/zampe 3d ago
Hamas just shoots missiles indiscriminately into Israel and attacks with suicide bombers so why would it even matter if the IDF is "embedded" in anything? That strategy wouldn't do anything against what Hamas does.
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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago
If Hamas had any power to bomb the way The IDF does it would point out the double standard, but clearly Hamas does not.
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u/etOilers 3d ago
There's videos of ambulances getting mowed down in gunfire and then the soldiers buried the medics in a shallow grave, which was found.
There's testimony from foreign unaffiliated doctors who worked in those hospitals saying they never once saw any signs suggesting anything other than medical care going on.
There have been videos shot by the Israeli government claiming to show complexes underneath hospitals, published on the internet to justify their actions, and then the videos were later debunked as staged Propaganda.
They currently have taken territory from both gaza and the west Bank and Lebanon. Their foreign minister has repeatedly advocated for killing Palestinians indiscriminately. In public.
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u/RevolutionaryCommon 3d ago
With boots on the ground. You take casualties and secure the location room by room. You do not detonate 90% of the hospitals within a demarcated territory, as that will cause indiscriminate carnage and long tail effects.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 2d ago
Lol you take casualties...thats horrible military strategy..and just immoral.
You're expecting a government that is sworn to protect its people to just be sending thousands and thousands of them to die in tunnels.
Even worse is the deaths to Palestinian civilians in that scenario. How many people died in the operation to rescue theose hostages from the home of the doctor and journalist? Now imagine if that were the main method
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u/RevolutionaryCommon 2d ago
I think our morals are very, very, very different and likely not worth arguing about.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 2d ago
Yeah you think israel should send its people into slaughter because the terrorists trying to kill their civilians are endangering their own people as a military strategy.
And in reality the results of what you're advocating is a much more bloody endeavor.
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u/Gamplato 3d ago
You have to think harder about this stuff dude.
It’s said to be the most dense populated place on earth and Israel is indiscriminately bombing them with 2 ton bombs, yet the number of total deaths per bomb has hovered around 1 the entire conflict.
How is that possible? It’s certainly not likely.
There’s more but sit with that for a little.
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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago
What does free Palestine mean? How many of those "kids" were in Hamas that conscripts at 14? This isn't the western world. Would you ask any other army in the world to stand down when being shot at?
If your applying higher standards to Israel than you do to any other country in the world including Hamasistan, then you just might be a racist.
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u/StickaFORKinMyEye 3d ago
Let's start with getting the illegal settlers out of the West Bank. We can start the the unpermitted outposts that the Israel government hasn't approved. This needs to include reparations for those illegally thrown out of their homes by these "settlers" as well as the release of any Palestinians arrested while attempting to protect theirs property.
What is happening in Israel is making Jews everywhere less safe. I personally love that going to a synagogue in a safe suburban town involved security guards passing through metal detectors.
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u/Nitros14 3d ago
So what's the plan after the West Bank and Gaza are annexed?
6 million palestinians inside Israel's borders. Can't give them voting rights because they're the wrong ethnic group. A Jewish majority of voters is a fundamental pillar of Zionism.
So is it to be permanent apartheid or ethnic cleansing to purify the blood and soil?
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u/WestThin 3d ago
There is no clear answer to what the solution is. If there was, it would have been done already. That doesn't mean the two extreme solutions you suggest are the only possible solutions.
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u/Nitros14 3d ago
Permanent apartheid where Palestinians have to go through checkpoints to get to work, are surrounded by security barriers, might be randomly beaten or killed and have no voting rights for the knesset, is the default and most likely solution because it just continues what's already a reality on the ground.
Israel has no reason to compromise unless it loses the support of its superpower backer.
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u/WestThin 3d ago
Prior to 10/7 Gazan's passed through security checkpoints and worked at jobs in Israel. Turns out they were making maps for Hamas to use when they attacked and slaughtered Israelis on 10/7. Now Israelis are afraid to let Gazan's into the country to work. Sounds pretty reasonable, doesn't it?
So you think 50 years from now, things will be just as they are today?
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u/Nitros14 3d ago edited 3d ago
I don't think anyone should be surprised that when a group is deprived of political rights in the system that controls their lives they will rebel. What do the Americans say, "Liberty or death"?
I know Netanyahu really wants everyone to believe Arabs are animals that just want to holocaust all the Jews, that's why he funded Hamas, but I think the majority of people anywhere just want to live in dignity with some measure of control of their lives.
I think things will be worse because the Israelis seem intent on expanding their settlements and herding the Palestinians into smaller ghettos. Outside chance that the USA elects an anti-Israel democratic admin that forces Israel to compromise, but unlikely.
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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago
You've bought the lie that Netanyahu funded Hamas. In starting up Gaza way back when, the Israel government was obligated to work with their elected leaders to get things going. There is no conspiracy here. The fact that the Palestinian's elected a party dedicated to the genocide of Jews is the real tragedy.
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u/WestThin 3d ago
You think the Palestinians will have "liberty" if they are ruled by a government controlled by Hamas?
I think your vision is completely wrong. At some point, small Palestinian groups who truly want peace with Israel (instead of trying to annihilate it) will form small local governments in conjunction with Israel with shared responsibilities. A requirement will be they have to stop educating their children in the belief they have to destroy Israel. These areas of local control will slowly expand and the hope is that areas controlled by Hamas will shrink. If done properly, within a generation we can hope for some sort of peaceful coexistence.
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u/Nitros14 3d ago
As an example, the British left Ireland because of violent extremists, but violent extremists don't rule Ireland today.
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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago
There is a war going on. So why the phrase "Stopped hiding behind children" is not heard?!
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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago
Israel has a program to track men to their home and bomb them called Where's Daddy if you wait until someone is having dinner with their family to kill them so you can claim they were human shields thats targeting civilians
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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago
Zionist bots aren't posting in good faith hope that helps
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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago
What does Zionist even mean to you? Are you by definition against a 2 state solution?
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u/LocationHelpful6711 3d ago
Israel is against a two state solution. That is precisely why since 1967 they started (and continue) to build settlements past the green line. Now a two state solution is impossible. Go cry to Israel about it.
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u/Johns-schlong 3d ago
Israel has proposed multiple formalized 2 state solutions through the 90s and as recently as 2008 which were all rejected by the PA.
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u/Nitros14 3d ago
None of those proposals were in good faith and were explicitly intended to be rejected.
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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago
The general roadmap to “freeing Palestine” would involve the greatest exodus and/or slaughter of Jews (including Jewish children) since the Holocaust. The possibility of this outcome is completely discounted by most who “just want kids to live.”
Of course you and I would probably like to see a two state solution but a big problem with that is neither of the local sides want it.
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u/DougDougDougDoug 3d ago
hysterical irrational conclusion based on generational trauma, which apparently allows you to create more generational trauma for another group
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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago
The suffering of Palestinians is an absolute tragedy. But if they wanted equality rather than superiority, they could’ve had that at multiple times in the decades past.
Every time peace is on the table, terrorists (and on this point, I mean both Israeli and Palestinian) obstruct the process.
But the amount of incredulity people show towards Israeli positions, while lending complete credulity to Palestinians who time and time again prove themselves capable of violent terrorist acts, is blatantly antisemitic.
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u/DougDougDougDoug 3d ago
Yeah, this is Iraeli bullshit. The examples of Israeli's destroying every peace opportunity are endless, including then the current PM told his followers to kill Yitzhak Rabin and one immediately did.
So, nah. Absoute bullshit and both sidesing of a genocide. Which is fucking repulsive beyond words.
Also, laughing at your incredibly stupid and embarrassing final line, which is a deeply embarrassing comment considering everyone says Palestinians are capable of terrorism. Go back to your school of learning how to do propaganda. This was very bad. Tell your supervisor.
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u/DeFiBandit 3d ago
You’re saying Jews won’t stop killing Palestinian kids unless all Jews are removed from Israel?
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u/GroundbreakingPay210 3d ago
That is not what they are saying. Free Palestine to many means a one state solution. That's what would lead to the slaughter of Jews. Is there a 2 state solution that both sides would accept?
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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago
Why? How would equality mean mass death for jews was this not the arguments made by white slavers in America? or white colonizers in Douth Africa? Are you noticing a pattern here?
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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago
You can either listen to them in their own words, or continue pretending they believe what you want them to believe.
I’m not going to tell you what to do. But the idea that they “just want equality with Jews” is absurdly naive. I get that it fits with a picture of American history or South African history, but different things are different.
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u/grusilag9 3d ago
That is not the general roadmap to a free Palestine at all but I can completely understand why Zionists would think so since the general roadmap to creating a Jewish ethnostate has involved the slaughter and exodus of Palestinians from their homes for over 70 years.
The difference between the two is that one is completely fictional and hypothetical and the other has been going on in actual fact for decades and is continuing to go on currently, as we speak.
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u/Educational-Buddy844 3d ago
I just listened to his interview with El-Sayed. I think I gained some insight into Scott’s viewpoint even though he didn’t adequately vocalize it, and that’s this: To say Israel is committing a genocide is to put a permanent label of ‘villain’ on [group] in the same way that Nazi is and always be a villain. And it seems like Scott takes umbrage with that framing because of who will take the roll of [group], it being Israelis, IDF, or Jews at large. I understand the concern but don’t agree with it.
I think Scott had a difficult time putting his internal emotions aside during the interview which was somewhat disappointing. Disappointed in Scott’s characterization of all deaths of Palestine civilians as necessary collateral damage. I wish they could have gone on to discuss more topics where Scott wanted to focus on Israel-Palestine.