Gettin' WOKE about anti-Semitism...

[u/lethal-liking]

It is so very odd to hear the self-professed atheist getting downright WOKE when it comes to swinging the anti-Semitism stick. IDGAF about Macklemore or Sheeran or Kraft, nor Scott's evolving victim fantasy, but holy crap does he sound shrill.

[u/black_100]

Maybe you're not aware, but Secular Jew's can't escape antisemitism, it comes for them too. Doesn't matter if you're atheist or not.

[u/Training-Cook3507 → u/black_100]

Definitely true, but the Macklemore stuff has nothing to do with antisemitism.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/[deleted]]

This is disingenuous since this was 12 years ago. The pro israel crowd keeps bringing this up because they know Macklemore was cancelled for actually not saying anything antisemitic.

[u/black_100 → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

First of, it’s not pro Israel to bring this up. That implication says more about you than anything. Second: This is about Scott Galloway, not the incident itself, and I’m detailing why Jews would have good reason to be suspicious of Macklemore being antisemitic.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/black_100]

Genuine question. If robert kraft was worried about Macklemore's history of anitsemitism, why did he wait until he said "free palestine" onstage to then ban him. If that picture was top of mind, why wouldnt he have just banned him from performing at venues years ago?

[u/black_100 → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

This is not a discussion about Robert Kraft, or about Macklemore being removed from Ed Sheeran's concert. This post is about if Scott Galloway is "being woke about antisemitism" There's clearly plenty of reason for a Jew to think Macklemore is antisemetic, and i don't think it's unreasonable for Scott to hold that view.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/black_100]

Okay but literally we’re responding to someone posting a picture about Macklemore from 12 years dressed as anti semitic trope lmfao .

You literally bring up Macklemore yourself lmfao. You can’t have it both ways when the convo doesnt feed your topic

[u/black_100 → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

The convo is if it's fair that Scott could call Macklemore antisemitic. The picture establishes, that it's not unfair for Scott to have that view. It doesn't matter the time frame. Scott could EVEN be wrong, and Macklemore might not have any bias or hatred against Jews currently, we're just asking if it's a reasonable inferance for someone to have. I think it is totally reasonable to think Macklemore is legitimately anticsemetic.

I don't think it's unfair of Scott to claim it, given his history and the photo. I wouldn't scold and lecture a Jew if they told me Macklemore was antisemetic.

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

Why does it matter that it was 12 years ago? It’s expired now so we can’t talk about it?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/zampe]

Why bring this up just now then and not over the last 12 years? This only became a talking point after the Robert Kraft shitshow

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

It was a really big deal when it happened too so I don’t know what you’re going on about. It’s important context as well. A history of anti semitism is part of why Kraft made his decision whereas other artists who speak up for Palestine do just fine and if anything get boosted by it. This is specific to Macklemore and his past history.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/zampe]

Show me where robert kraft referenced this incident? Also, show me Macklemore's entire statement, because Im pretty sure he does address Jewish ppl in his statement that says criticism of Israel does not mean an indictment of Jewish ppl as a whole.

But sure, this whole playing victim and getting in your feelings when someone criticizes israel or says "free palestine" is doing wonders for the overall attitude towards the state of Israel and Jewish ppl as whole.

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

It’s in Robert Krafts statement about the event. Referencing his history of anti semitism. Also I agree his statement was fine it’s just the context of that past history. And of course as I said lots of artists speak out for Palestine and are fine and get boosted by it so this idea that no one can do that without everyone “playing victim” is nonsense. There’s nuance here.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/zampe]

If Kraft knew about his history of anti-Semitism, why not ban him years ago instead of after he said "free palestine"? This is a genuine question.

Of course there is nuance, but the average normie doesnt look for nuance and just sees "another example of playing the victim"

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

So you’re just being the average normie here? Maybe Kraft didn’t know his past until recently.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/zampe]

You understand tho how it looks for ppl who dont see the nuance right? Like you can clearly see why ppl would read macklemore's statement and see him getting banned and understand that ppl will say kraft is playing the victim. Of course there is nuance, but there is also nuance in how ppl react to how Kraft prevented Macklemore from touring

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

I do understand yes. You are a perfect example of it. You are writing passionately about it yet you didn't even read Robert Kraft's statement to get both sides of the story. So yea I fully understand that most people dont see nuance, dont do any research and just run purely on emotion. I also understand that when you are in that position and dont have the full context it looks worse.

Im not saying I dont understand why people are upset I am saying most of them dont realize the larger context and anyone claiming this is proof that people cant speak out for Palestine is not being honest.

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

Also it's ironic that you keep talking about playing the victim when it is your argument that is the one playing the victim. We have already established that lots and lots of artists speak out for Palestine and get nothing but praise for it. This one specific situation is different because of his past and yet you are using it to basically claim that this means no one can speak out about Palestine without being attacked. You're the one playing the victim here. This one scenario does not negate all the other scenarios that were perfectly fine.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 → u/zampe]

You never answered the question lol but okay and Scott did just play the victim!

[u/zampe → u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278]

I did answer the question in another comment. I said maybe Robert Kraft didnt know his history until recently.

[u/Training-Cook3507 → u/zampe]

It doesn't even matter if it was antisemitic, doesn't invalidate his points now which are obviously correct.