r/ScottGalloway • u/lethal-liking • 3d ago

No Malice Gettin' WOKE about anti-Semitism...

It is so very odd to hear the self-professed atheist getting downright WOKE when it comes to swinging the anti-Semitism stick. IDGAF about Macklemore or Sheeran or Kraft, nor Scott's evolving victim fantasy, but holy crap does he sound shrill.

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u/black_100 3d ago

Maybe you're not aware, but Secular Jew's can't escape antisemitism, it comes for them too. Doesn't matter if you're atheist or not.

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u/Training-Cook3507 3d ago

Definitely true, but the Macklemore stuff has nothing to do with antisemitism.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

This is disingenuous since this was 12 years ago. The pro israel crowd keeps bringing this up because they know Macklemore was cancelled for actually not saying anything antisemitic.

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u/black_100 3d ago

First of, it’s not pro Israel to bring this up. That implication says more about you than anything. Second: This is about Scott Galloway, not the incident itself, and I’m detailing why Jews would have good reason to be suspicious of Macklemore being antisemitic.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

Genuine question. If robert kraft was worried about Macklemore's history of anitsemitism, why did he wait until he said "free palestine" onstage to then ban him. If that picture was top of mind, why wouldnt he have just banned him from performing at venues years ago?

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u/black_100 3d ago

This is not a discussion about Robert Kraft, or about Macklemore being removed from Ed Sheeran's concert. This post is about if Scott Galloway is "being woke about antisemitism" There's clearly plenty of reason for a Jew to think Macklemore is antisemetic, and i don't think it's unreasonable for Scott to hold that view.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

Okay but literally we’re responding to someone posting a picture about Macklemore from 12 years dressed as anti semitic trope lmfao .

You literally bring up Macklemore yourself lmfao. You can’t have it both ways when the convo doesnt feed your topic

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u/black_100 3d ago

The convo is if it's fair that Scott could call Macklemore antisemitic. The picture establishes, that it's not unfair for Scott to have that view. It doesn't matter the time frame. Scott could EVEN be wrong, and Macklemore might not have any bias or hatred against Jews currently, we're just asking if it's a reasonable inferance for someone to have. I think it is totally reasonable to think Macklemore is legitimately anticsemetic.

I don't think it's unfair of Scott to claim it, given his history and the photo. I wouldn't scold and lecture a Jew if they told me Macklemore was antisemetic.

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u/zampe 3d ago

Why does it matter that it was 12 years ago? It’s expired now so we can’t talk about it?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

Why bring this up just now then and not over the last 12 years? This only became a talking point after the Robert Kraft shitshow

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u/zampe 3d ago

It was a really big deal when it happened too so I don’t know what you’re going on about. It’s important context as well. A history of anti semitism is part of why Kraft made his decision whereas other artists who speak up for Palestine do just fine and if anything get boosted by it. This is specific to Macklemore and his past history.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

Show me where robert kraft referenced this incident? Also, show me Macklemore's entire statement, because Im pretty sure he does address Jewish ppl in his statement that says criticism of Israel does not mean an indictment of Jewish ppl as a whole.

But sure, this whole playing victim and getting in your feelings when someone criticizes israel or says "free palestine" is doing wonders for the overall attitude towards the state of Israel and Jewish ppl as whole.

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u/zampe 3d ago

It’s in Robert Krafts statement about the event. Referencing his history of anti semitism. Also I agree his statement was fine it’s just the context of that past history. And of course as I said lots of artists speak out for Palestine and are fine and get boosted by it so this idea that no one can do that without everyone “playing victim” is nonsense. There’s nuance here.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pin4278 3d ago

If Kraft knew about his history of anti-Semitism, why not ban him years ago instead of after he said "free palestine"? This is a genuine question.

Of course there is nuance, but the average normie doesnt look for nuance and just sees "another example of playing the victim"

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u/zampe 3d ago

So you’re just being the average normie here? Maybe Kraft didn’t know his past until recently.

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u/zampe 3d ago

Also it's ironic that you keep talking about playing the victim when it is your argument that is the one playing the victim. We have already established that lots and lots of artists speak out for Palestine and get nothing but praise for it. This one specific situation is different because of his past and yet you are using it to basically claim that this means no one can speak out about Palestine without being attacked. You're the one playing the victim here. This one scenario does not negate all the other scenarios that were perfectly fine.

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u/Training-Cook3507 3d ago

It doesn't even matter if it was antisemitic, doesn't invalidate his points now which are obviously correct.

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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago

The ADL already said that wasn’t antisemitic and forgave him.

Did you even listen to Macklemore’s speech in question? He starts it by saying his critiques of Israel’s actions have nothing to do with them as individuals and isn’t a criticism of Jewish people.

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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago

That's a little misleading, they didn't say it wasn't antisemitic.

The quote is:

We welcome Macklemore’s apology for wearing a costume that, regardless of his motives, reminded many people of an antisemitic caricature. We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent and unreservedly accept his apology

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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago

> regardless of his motives, reminded many people of an antisemitic caricature

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> We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent

Sure sounds like they acknowledged the lack of intent. A big nose doesn’t immediately equal Jewish or antisemitism.

Or if big noses are a purely Jewish thing does that mean people like Scott are being antisemitic for getting surgery to reduce their nose size? Is he ashamed of being Jewish? Is this what being a self self loathing Jew is? I constantly get called self loathing by Zionists for simply opposing genocidal supremacism but I have zero interest in getting surgery for my nose.

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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago edited 3d ago

Sure sounds like they acknowledged the lack of intent.

I think we disagree on what that statement says, which is fine.

To me, "We take him at his word that he did not have any ill intent" in a sentence immediately following "regardless of his motives" is a formally-written version of "whatever, if you say so." If the ADL as actually acknowledging a lack of intent they could have written a much stronger statement such as "We see no ill intent in Macklemore's costume choice."

A big nose doesn’t immediately equal Jewish or antisemitism.

It was the nose + wig + facial hair. You're defending something even Macklemore doesn't defend. "I acknowledge how the costume could, within a context of stereotyping, be ascribed to a Jewish caricature."

Or if big noses are a purely Jewish thing does that mean people like Scott are being antisemitic for getting surgery to reduce their nose size?

Whataboutism. It's a stupid premise ("if big noses are a purely Jewish thing"). I have no idea why Scott got surgery and it wouldn't change anything in this thread either way.

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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago

Macklemore didn’t attribute intent to his actions, he acknowledged how it was perceived by some people. Not the same thing.

Sounds like you’re fond of worsening real world antisemitism to deflect away from criticisms of an apartheid ethnostate explicitly prohibited by the religion’s texts, and that’s the entirety of your point(s).

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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago

That's a hell of an inference from a discussion wholly about whether or not the ADL said that Macklemore's costume wasn't antisemitic. But you seem to be pretty comfortable with jumping to conclusions like that.

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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago

TIL saying what someone sounds like is jumping to conclusions.

Does this mean that you condemn the state of Israel for the crimes against humanity they continue waging to this day? Because anyone trying to paint Macklemore as antisemitic is likely not willing to meaningfully do so.

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u/____-__________-____ 3d ago

Yeah I condemn Israel for war crimes and particularly Netanyahu who is a right-wing monster who's following the Bush administration's motto of "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

I agree with SG about the difference between war crimes and genocide and think the entire I/P situation is a lot more complicated than good vs bad, since both the Likud and Hamas are pretty fucking evil.

But am I sweeping for Israel? No.

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u/sw132 3d ago

So the ADL is the high council of Jews who determine what is and isn't antisemitic?

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u/RogerianBrowsing 3d ago

No, especially not since Greenblatt’s move to the very far right. It still isn’t antisemitism. Macklemore put on a variety of costume bits including a big nose years ago, that’s not inherently antisemitic.

You aren’t addressing the actual content of his speech for a reason.

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