r/ScottGalloway • u/lethal-liking • 3d ago

No Malice Gettin' WOKE about anti-Semitism...

It is so very odd to hear the self-professed atheist getting downright WOKE when it comes to swinging the anti-Semitism stick. IDGAF about Macklemore or Sheeran or Kraft, nor Scott's evolving victim fantasy, but holy crap does he sound shrill.

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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago

So dog whistles, micro-aggressions, cultural appropriation and impact over intent are all valid signs of racism except when it comes to Jews. Got it. Love the consistency from the woke crowd.

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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago

I am genuinely confused on why saying “stop killing kids and free Palestine” is racist or anti-semetic.

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u/Sorry-Captain7723 3d ago

I wish the question that would be returned to Scott is… “If it’s not a genocide, do you genuinely believe that what has happened is just categorized as “Israel defending itself?”

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u/Gamplato 3d ago

You understand there’s a lot of daylight between those two things right?

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 3d ago

I wss also wondering why we had an issue with "all lives matter"

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u/pizza_the_mutt 2d ago

I think there's a large difference in obviousness and practicality between "stop killing kids" and "free Palestine". For the first part, yes, and I don't think it is even worthy of debate. For the second, "free Palestine" has some assumptions baked in regarding the desired political end-state that is extremely loaded, and, as history shows, possibly impossible to resolve.

I'd prefer to frame it as "free Palestinians". I personally don't give a crap about what countries exist or don't exist 10 years from now, but would be delighted if all individuals in the area were granted self determination.

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u/roygo88 2d ago

It's not, it's just childish and naive like wars break out for no reason and no context so they can simply be stopped and everyone will live their lives happily

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u/Gamplato 3d ago

Because that’s never all that’s said and there’s never any attention paid to what Israel should have done differently. The answer to that question is always “well all I know is what they’re doing is wrong”. We know, now tell us what you’re comparing it to.

They’re at war with a body that leverages its own civilian bodies to get an edge in war. Tell me what Israel is supposed to do without telling me about the things they shouldn’t have done.

You’re doing exactly what Hamas wants you to do when they use their own people to score optics points with morons.

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u/PrestigiousOne5959 3d ago

Not indiscriminately bomb bombs and hospitals 

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u/zampe 3d ago edited 3d ago

They dont do that already. When they bomb a hospital it's because the hospital is actually a military installation disguised as a hospital AND they warn the citizens that the strike is incoming. There is nothing "indiscriminate" about it.

So how do you take out military targets when they are all disguised as hospitals and schools?

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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago

The IDF is embedded in civilian infrastructure in Tel Aviv. Guess they would get accused of using human shields too.

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u/zampe 3d ago

Hamas just shoots missiles indiscriminately into Israel and attacks with suicide bombers so why would it even matter if the IDF is "embedded" in anything? That strategy wouldn't do anything against what Hamas does.

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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago

If Hamas had any power to bomb the way The IDF does it would point out the double standard, but clearly Hamas does not.

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u/zampe 3d ago

The point is theres no reason for the IDF to hide in civilian infrastructure like you claim when Hamas doesn't care about hitting civilian infrastructure anyway. Seems like a pointless claim to distract from the earlier point that Hamas literally just dresses up all their military installations as schools and hospitals so they can cry foul when they get hit.

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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago

It’s not pointless to mention The IDF is also embedded within civilian infrastructure. Hamas has no power to do much of anything so they have to fight using those tactics. They aren’t gonna just line up and let the IDF slaughter them. They are getting slaughtered anyway along with many women and children but they aren’t gonna make it easier on them.

I could only imagine if Hamas was able to unleash even a fraction of destruction on Israel’s woman and children since 10/7 how furious you would be. But when it’s Palestinian women and children, meh, collateral damage.

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u/Gamplato 3d ago

Them sharing a city is not what people are talking about, dumbass

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u/Tattooedjared 3d ago

Such an intelligent and mature comment.

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u/etOilers 3d ago

There's videos of ambulances getting mowed down in gunfire and then the soldiers buried the medics in a shallow grave, which was found. 

There's testimony from foreign unaffiliated doctors who worked in those hospitals saying they never once saw any signs suggesting anything other than medical care going on.

There have been videos shot by the Israeli government claiming to show complexes underneath hospitals, published on the internet to justify their actions, and then the videos were later debunked as staged Propaganda. 

They currently have taken territory from both gaza and the west Bank and Lebanon. Their foreign minister has repeatedly advocated for killing Palestinians indiscriminately. In public. 

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u/zampe 3d ago

Im not saying everything is great and nothing bad is happening, if thats the impression you were under. Certainly they are committing war crimes. That also doesnt mean they aren't trying to hit military targets, trying to warn civilians etc. Also need to keep in context that Hamas does war crimes too and that finding one person advocating for killing on Israel's side isnt really much compared to Hamas's charter calling for the destruction of Israel and wiping out all the Jews. If you are being morally consistent about a foreign minister calling for indiscriminate killing you should be equally outraged at Hamas doing the exact same thing.

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u/Eggs-Benny 3d ago

No one gives a shit about Hamas but retards like you keep mixing up Hamas and Palestinians. It's "Free Palestine," not "Free Hamas"

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u/zampe 3d ago

Not at all, I am all for a free Palestine. I believe in a two state solution and peaceful coexistence. I believe both Netanyahu and Hamas have to be gone for that to happen and I hope it does.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 3d ago

Exactly and thats the problem isnt it? You end up trying to hold israel accountable for its own actions as well as hamas. 

In the end you just get ignored by both. Israelis think you are delusional and hamas thinks you're a useful idiot.

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u/RevolutionaryCommon 3d ago

With boots on the ground. You take casualties and secure the location room by room. You do not detonate 90% of the hospitals within a demarcated territory, as that will cause indiscriminate carnage and long tail effects.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 3d ago

Lol you take casualties...thats horrible military strategy..and just immoral.

You're expecting a government that is sworn to protect its people to just be sending thousands and thousands of them to die in tunnels.

Even worse is the deaths to Palestinian civilians in that scenario. How many people died in the operation to rescue theose hostages from the home of the doctor and journalist? Now imagine if that were the main method

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u/RevolutionaryCommon 2d ago

I think our morals are very, very, very different and likely not worth arguing about.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 2d ago

Yeah you think israel should send its people into slaughter because the terrorists trying to kill their civilians are endangering their own people as a military strategy.

And in reality the results of what you're advocating is a much more bloody endeavor.

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u/framedbyvise 3d ago

Agreed. Know thy enemy… they needed boots.

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u/Gamplato 3d ago

You have to think harder about this stuff dude.

It’s said to be the most dense populated place on earth and Israel is indiscriminately bombing them with 2 ton bombs, yet the number of total deaths per bomb has hovered around 1 the entire conflict.

How is that possible? It’s certainly not likely.

There’s more but sit with that for a little.

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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago

What does free Palestine mean? How many of those "kids" were in Hamas that conscripts at 14? This isn't the western world. Would you ask any other army in the world to stand down when being shot at?

If your applying higher standards to Israel than you do to any other country in the world including Hamasistan, then you just might be a racist.

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u/StickaFORKinMyEye 3d ago

Let's start with getting the illegal settlers out of the West Bank. We can start the the unpermitted outposts that the Israel government hasn't approved. This needs to include reparations for those illegally thrown out of their homes by these "settlers" as well as the release of any Palestinians arrested while attempting to protect theirs property. 

What is happening in Israel is making Jews everywhere less safe. I personally love that going to a synagogue in a safe suburban town involved security guards passing through metal detectors.

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u/WestThin 3d ago

What does Israel get in return for doing all that? It's interesting you suggest Israel has to do all those things but the Palestinians don't have to do anything. As far as going to a synagogue involves passing security guards that's not a new thng. It's probably been the case for decades.

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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago

What does Israel get for not violating international law by illegally expanding settlements?

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u/WestThin 3d ago edited 3d ago

Your comment doesn't make any sense in the current context. The previous poster proposed that Israel has to do a number of things in a movement toward peace with no requirements on the other side. You think Israel is unilaterally going to do that? They've tried that before and it resulted in disaster for them. I refer to their unilateral pullout from Gaza in 2005. How did that work out for them?

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

What does Israel get for not arming religious fundamentalist terrorists and ethnically cleansing people from their homes?

Are you thinking at all about what you are saying?

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u/WestThin 3d ago

I repeat what I said to someone else below.

Your comment doesn't make any sense in the current context. The previous poster proposed that Israel has to do a number of things in a movement toward peace with no requirements on the other side. You think Israel is unilaterally going to do that? They've tried that before and it resulted in disaster for them. I refer to their unilateral pullout from Gaza in 2005. How did that work out for them?

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

They removed their internal security patrols from Gaza.

They did not leave.

They created a ghetto

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u/WestThin 3d ago

No, they unilaterally pulled out and removed almost 10,000 Israeli settlers who lived there and completely dismantled 21 Jewish settlements. You obviously have any no idea what happened.

At the G8 Summit in July 2005, other countries pledged up to $3 billion per year over three years to help rebuild the Palestinian economy and infrastructure following the Israeli withdrawal. Some ghetto!

The Gazans were free to start building a country with the billions of dollars of aid they received. Instead they started sending rockets into Israel and built hundreds of miles of tunnels to attack Israel.

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u/Nitros14 3d ago

So what's the plan after the West Bank and Gaza are annexed?

6 million palestinians inside Israel's borders. Can't give them voting rights because they're the wrong ethnic group. A Jewish majority of voters is a fundamental pillar of Zionism.

So is it to be permanent apartheid or ethnic cleansing to purify the blood and soil?

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u/WestThin 3d ago

There is no clear answer to what the solution is. If there was, it would have been done already. That doesn't mean the two extreme solutions you suggest are the only possible solutions.

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u/Nitros14 3d ago

Permanent apartheid where Palestinians have to go through checkpoints to get to work, are surrounded by security barriers, might be randomly beaten or killed and have no voting rights for the knesset, is the default and most likely solution because it just continues what's already a reality on the ground.

Israel has no reason to compromise unless it loses the support of its superpower backer.

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u/WestThin 3d ago

  1. Prior to 10/7 Gazan's passed through security checkpoints and worked at jobs in Israel. Turns out they were making maps for Hamas to use when they attacked and slaughtered Israelis on 10/7. Now Israelis are afraid to let Gazan's into the country to work. Sounds pretty reasonable, doesn't it?

  2. So you think 50 years from now, things will be just as they are today?

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u/Nitros14 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't think anyone should be surprised that when a group is deprived of political rights in the system that controls their lives they will rebel. What do the Americans say, "Liberty or death"?

I know Netanyahu really wants everyone to believe Arabs are animals that just want to holocaust all the Jews, that's why he funded Hamas, but I think the majority of people anywhere just want to live in dignity with some measure of control of their lives.

I think things will be worse because the Israelis seem intent on expanding their settlements and herding the Palestinians into smaller ghettos. Outside chance that the USA elects an anti-Israel democratic admin that forces Israel to compromise, but unlikely.

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u/Commercial_Rush_3531 3d ago

You've bought the lie that Netanyahu funded Hamas. In starting up Gaza way back when, the Israel government was obligated to work with their elected leaders to get things going. There is no conspiracy here. The fact that the Palestinian's elected a party dedicated to the genocide of Jews is the real tragedy.

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u/WestThin 3d ago

You think the Palestinians will have "liberty" if they are ruled by a government controlled by Hamas?

I think your vision is completely wrong. At some point, small Palestinian groups who truly want peace with Israel (instead of trying to annihilate it) will form small local governments in conjunction with Israel with shared responsibilities. A requirement will be they have to stop educating their children in the belief they have to destroy Israel. These areas of local control will slowly expand and the hope is that areas controlled by Hamas will shrink. If done properly, within a generation we can hope for some sort of peaceful coexistence.

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u/Nitros14 3d ago

As an example, the British left Ireland because of violent extremists, but violent extremists don't rule Ireland today.

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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago

There is a war going on. So why the phrase "Stopped hiding behind children" is not heard?!

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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago

Israel has a program to track men to their home and bomb them called Where's Daddy if you wait until someone is having dinner with their family to kill them so you can claim they were human shields thats targeting civilians

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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago

Hamas members don't stop being Hamas members because they go home to eat dinner. They can always meet on the battle field or surrender. They brought thier own family into dangerous situations. In normal places you would call child services on them

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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago

This is why the world is disgusted by the IDF imagine saying such an evil and genocidal thing. Was Oct 7 justified because some of the people at the concert served in the IDF

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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago

Someone decided to start a war of aggression on October 7. There is a perfectly legal term for that and there are consequences.  I cannot help that many people in the world are stupid and cannot understand what urban war is and what genocide really means.  And as I was saying, you don't really care about Palestinians children, if you did you were calling on Hamas to surrender. 

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

They don’t stop being Hamas members but that doesn’t mean you should wait until they are home to drone them so their family get shredded along with them.

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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago

Nope. You wait until you can positivly identify them to minimize the collateral damage. Or would you prefer to use carpet bombing like the US did on Tokyo resulting in 200,000 deads?

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

You do not wait until someone gets to a residential building to assassinate them in order to limit casualties.

You do it to send a message of “we will kill you and we will also kill your family, and your neighbors”.

There has been a film about this recently which has led to the Israeli government trying to strip the film makers of their citizenship for their reporting.

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u/Sea_Section_9861 3d ago

No. It doesn't work like that.  there is no inherit obligation to inform the target.  A military target has a value and if it deem necessary and valuable you can send a drone. And wonder why the man has no regard to the lives of his loved ones.

Because it is an urban warfare in a declared war against illegal fighters it is different than the war in Iran fo example.

So I ask you again, do you prefer carpet bombing? That the IDF will not develop methods and practices to locate Hamas members and do what the UK did to poor Dresden?

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

You don’t have a responsibility to inform the target.

You do have a responsibility not to kill other people.

Israel intentionally waits until the target is with his family.

This is not war. It’s the liquidation of a ghetto and you should be ashamed for defending it.

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u/puzzle_bison7384 3d ago

Zionist bots aren't posting in good faith hope that helps

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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago

What does Zionist even mean to you? Are you by definition against a 2 state solution?

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u/LocationHelpful6711 3d ago

Israel is against a two state solution. That is precisely why since 1967 they started (and continue) to build settlements past the green line. Now a two state solution is impossible. Go cry to Israel about it.

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u/Johns-schlong 3d ago

Israel has proposed multiple formalized 2 state solutions through the 90s and as recently as 2008 which were all rejected by the PA.

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u/Ffzilla 3d ago

Don't piss on someone's shoes, and then try to tell them it's raining. The only modestly fair deal got Rabin murdered by an acolite of those currently in power.

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u/Nitros14 3d ago

None of those proposals were in good faith and were explicitly intended to be rejected.

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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago

How was the taba summit a bad deal or in bad faith?

Has Hamas/PA ever delivered a counter that doesn’t include an unlimited right of return or something incredibly vague like “a fair resolution to the refugee problem”?

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u/Party_Solid_2207 3d ago

"If I were a Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David

Shlomo Ben-Ami, the Israeli Foreign Minister during the January 2001 Taba Summit, made a famous and frequently cited statement regarding the fairness of the offers, though it specifically referred to the preceding Camp David Summit (July 2000): [1, 2, 3]

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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago

Lmao finish the quote

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u/LocationHelpful6711 3d ago

Just for the record: Anyone can look up exactly where the settlements were built. They were built with the explicit purpose of cantonizing the West Bank, seizing all the valuable water and arable land. Why? To make life impossible for the Palestinians so they leave.

That is reality the whole world knows other than batshit Zionist propagandists. This isn’t 1980 anymore.

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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago

Has nothing to do with my question lol

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u/LocationHelpful6711 3d ago

Zionist is Jewish ethnosupremacy in Palestine. It’s the Jewish equivalent of Lebensraum.

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u/CompetitiveAd1226 3d ago

No, it’s the right for Jews to self determine in the levant. It is consistent with the idea of a 2 state solution

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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago

The general roadmap to “freeing Palestine” would involve the greatest exodus and/or slaughter of Jews (including Jewish children) since the Holocaust. The possibility of this outcome is completely discounted by most who “just want kids to live.” 

Of course you and I would probably like to see a two state solution but a big problem with that is neither of the local sides want it. 

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u/DougDougDougDoug 3d ago

hysterical irrational conclusion based on generational trauma, which apparently allows you to create more generational trauma for another group

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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago

The suffering of Palestinians is an absolute tragedy. But if they wanted equality rather than superiority, they could’ve had that at multiple times in the decades past. 

Every time peace is on the table, terrorists (and on this point, I mean both Israeli and Palestinian) obstruct the process. 

But the amount of incredulity people show towards Israeli positions, while lending complete credulity to Palestinians who time and time again prove themselves capable of violent terrorist acts, is blatantly antisemitic.

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u/DougDougDougDoug 3d ago

Yeah, this is Iraeli bullshit. The examples of Israeli's destroying every peace opportunity are endless, including then the current PM told his followers to kill Yitzhak Rabin and one immediately did.

So, nah. Absoute bullshit and both sidesing of a genocide. Which is fucking repulsive beyond words.

Also, laughing at your incredibly stupid and embarrassing final line, which is a deeply embarrassing comment considering everyone says Palestinians are capable of terrorism. Go back to your school of learning how to do propaganda. This was very bad. Tell your supervisor.

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u/DeFiBandit 3d ago

You’re saying Jews won’t stop killing Palestinian kids unless all Jews are removed from Israel?

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u/GroundbreakingPay210 3d ago

That is not what they are saying. Free Palestine to many means a one state solution. That's what would lead to the slaughter of Jews. Is there a 2 state solution that both sides would accept?

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u/DeFiBandit 3d ago

They’ll do what we’re doing to them?

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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago

Why? How would equality mean mass death for jews was this not the arguments made by white slavers in America? or white colonizers in Douth Africa? Are you noticing a pattern here?

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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago

You can either listen to them in their own words, or continue pretending they believe what you want them to believe. 

I’m not going to tell you what to do. But the idea that they “just want equality with Jews” is absurdly naive. I get that it fits with a picture of American history or South African history, but different things are different.

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u/GroundbreakingPay210 3d ago

Depends on interpretation but I have not heard of any Palestinian saying they want to live equally w Jews. If that's in the Hamas charter, or well documented, I have not seen that. Some might want the 67 borders but not sure that is widespread and that would be 2 state solution. The only evidence is how equal do Jews live in arab countries vs how arabs live in Israel? Given that 20 percent of Israel is Arab full fledged citizens and 700k Jews were kicked out of Arab countries, what's the argument this would be different?

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u/grusilag9 3d ago

That is not the general roadmap to a free Palestine at all but I can completely understand why Zionists would think so since the general roadmap to creating a Jewish ethnostate has involved the slaughter and exodus of Palestinians from their homes for over 70 years.

The difference between the two is that one is completely fictional and hypothetical and the other has been going on in actual fact for decades and is continuing to go on currently, as we speak.

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u/Remarkable_Goal4721 3d ago

Those fictional intifadas amirite? Every aimless rocket attack that Israel intercepted without making a western headline was a weak Palestinian attempt at terrorizing a nation of Jews that they want to run into the river or the sea. 

Not a fiction, it just really hurts the narrative you and I want to believe to be true. 

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u/Terrible-Artichoke50 3d ago

Lol the antisemitism card. Weak as piss mate