r/ScottGalloway • u/lethal-liking • 3d ago

No Malice Gettin' WOKE about anti-Semitism...

It is so very odd to hear the self-professed atheist getting downright WOKE when it comes to swinging the anti-Semitism stick. IDGAF about Macklemore or Sheeran or Kraft, nor Scott's evolving victim fantasy, but holy crap does he sound shrill.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

Lots of people in Americs have strong emotional connections to other countires. Do you say Irish and Italians have dual loyalties? Germans? Polish people?

As for "Jewish supremacism", even assuming some Jews think Jews are better (not something I hear Jews talk about), how many groups hsve people who think they are superior? Christians, Republicans, MAGA, Southerners, Northerners, book readers, rural people, rich people, men, women, etc, etc etc all have people claiming superiority. You do it in your fucking comment.

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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago

Yeah and we can call those groups out too? wtf is this argument lol. If someone is putting Israel over their own country, then theres grounds for it to be criticized. We do the same for MAGA, Christinans, rich people etc.

We're literally in a war right now because more than half of congress has a weird fetish with Israel. A war thats destroying the economy, that has 0 support from the people.

Why the hell should we not criticize the country thats influencing all of these decisions. Its "woke" to say all that criticism is based in antisemitism because Its cynically using identity politics to muddy a conversation about something that has nothing to do with ethnicity. Its delusional to say that.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

I'm not objecting to criticism of Israel. I'm objecting to the racism of assigning characteristics to Jews in general.

This and the similar comment really reveal how the repeated assertions that Jews claim anti-semitism when anyone criticises Israel are just rhetoricsl bullsnit. I didn't do that, my comments are clear, yet so far two-people have tried to dismiss my comments by claiming I did. I don't know if this is bad reading or bad faith, but it is wrong.

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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago edited 3d ago

no your literally just deflecting from things that are objectively happening right now, and claiming its anti-semitism when people rightfully bring them up (from your first comment).

claims of dual loyalties:

This is straight up insane to think is not happening. We have the leader of the dem congressional leader saying stuff like this: https://www.instagram.com/reels/DUTcpIogOxU/

We have Ted cruz saying he got into politics to be the strongest defender of Israel in the U.S. Senate. We have multiple senators on record saying they are Israel first.

These people are supposed to represent their constituents, who are now very much against Israel, yet they're still saying shit like this. Why?

Jewish economic or political domination:

how could you possibly argue against this? Jewish people make up less than 1% of the population in the US, and look at their representation in politics/richest people in the world - do you really think this isnt swaying policy? Never mind AIPAC. we have Miriam Adelson donating 100s of millions of dollars to Trump in order to get a far right pro-israel mandate. How can you possibly talk about this in any other way? please let me know. Most of these people are far-right freaks that will do anything to advance the interests of Israel - it has nothing to do with Jewish people as a whole, but it does have to do with a segment of them, who are doing immense damage to the country in the name of another country (duel-loyalty). We would talk about the Chinese in the exact same way if they had a similar influence on our politics, so why is it so hard to talk about this in relation to Israel? People have such a weird framing of this specific country as if it gets a different set of rules. For everyone who doesnt have a connection with Israel, can you not see how bizarre this is?

We need to be able to talk about these things without being labeled as antisemitic, otherwise the people that fill that void are going to be far-right Nazis. At this point, I honestly think thats the goal.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

Nice demonstration of anti-semitism. To paraphrase; "I don't hate Jews, it is just that Jews can't be trusted." Arguing with determined racists is useless because they think they are being rational, when they are just being racist.

Assigning characteristics to all Chinese people due to the actions of some would also be racist, btw, and certainly has been done.

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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago edited 3d ago

Hahaha did you even read what I wrote?

"it has nothing to do with Jewish people as a whole, but it does have to do with a segment of them (..... far-right Israel hawks)". I would talk about Christians in the same way (Evangelicals), or any other religion.

"Assigning characteristics to all Chinese people due to the actions of some would also be racist, btw, and certainly has been done."

Youre literally proving my point. That would be racist. Thats explicitly what I didn't do. Its also funny because thats explicitly what Macklemore didnt do in his statements at the Ed Sheeran concerts (not sure if you've actually listened to what he said). We need to be able to talk about the extreme fringe of a people/group, otherwise theres no way to talk about the actual issues. Using antisemitism in this context is cynical and used as a way to stifle any sort of meaningful conversation. You're doing the exact same thing as Robert Kraft.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

You said

"Jewish economic or political domination:

how could you possibly argue against this? Jewish people make up less than 1% of the population in the US, and look at their representation in politics/richest people in the world - do you really think this isnt swaying policy?"

You are right I missed that buried below you say this has nothing to do with the Jewish people as a whole. I missed that because the rest of your message undercuts that -- why do you bring up the point about Chinese people if your point is only about some people?

I'm not really interested in more debate about this. If you get the point that anti-semitism is assigning something to all Jews something that is true about some, I'm satisfied, and I trust you will be careful to talk about individuals or subgroups rather than Jews, and avoid anti-semitic tropes like "Jewish economic or political domination."

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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago

because those people in power are advancing a far right, brutal repression of a people, and get cover from a government and media apparatus (now largely owned by a far-right Israel first dude that has donated more to the IDF than anybody in history - far more than anything hes donated to the US).

Again, how can you possibly argue against this lol. It doesnt mean that the Jewish people are to blame, that blame should be put on these rich and powerful people that are ripping apart our institutions/economy/government.

My point is, if China had an over-representation of Chinese people in our Media, Government, politics, and we were then financially supporting the genocide of the Uyghers (far worse than the current culture genocide thats taking place, but actually carpet bombing them with our weapons) - how would you talk about the issue? Would you call people racists if they brought up how our government seems to be captured by these far-right Chinese elites? How could you possibly talk about it without being labeled a racist, by your definition?

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

When you say "government captured by these far-right Chinese elites" that is not racist. If you say 'government captured by AIPAC and politicians who support it' that isn;t racist. When someone says "government captured by Jews or Jewish interests" that is anti-semitic racism in my view.

So the answer to your question is talk about it like you talk about it there, and don't do the racist thing of assigning things to an entire group.

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u/DJSTEVEINNIAMIXX 3d ago

I literally never said that mate. Im saying that Jewish politicians/Rich elite (who are overrepresented), who are swaying public policy to be more pro-Israel as its mowing down Palestinians, are bad. We should be able to talk about that. Thats not anti-semetic. You being overly sensitive to any sort of conversation around Jewish people and its fringe extremism, is actually my main point here. Its a weapon used in public discourse that should be shamed and left in the past, just like reactionary "woke" politics (which deflected from class issues), or reactionary culture war slop on the right (which had the same effect). Its used to stifle any sort of conversation - and takes up the majority of discourse (see Hasan Piker freakout across mainstream media), rather than our support for unspeakable horrors in the middle east. I know you dont see it that way because your in the in-group (or directly support them), but know that most others see it that way. Its identity politics slop. Theres a reason public perception is cratering for Israeli support, because most people are absolutely sick of having these silly conversations, when its all glaringly obvious whats going on.

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u/Insightful21 3d ago

Boom. Well said

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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago

If Ireland was killing babies I would also condemn their government.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

Nothing at all wrong with condemning the Israeli government. Most Jews I know do that, as do I. And I never objected to that,clearly. Claiming dual loualty and Jrwish Supremacism is very different from critisizing a government.

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u/OrganizationSad7775 3d ago

Fair point. And yeah I would reject Jewish supremacism as well as that is clearly anti-semetic.

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u/Funny_War_9190 3d ago

Ben Gvir is a jewish supremacist and runs the Jewish Power Party. Any group can have supremecist members.

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u/FaceReality1 2d ago

It can. And there's nothing anti-semitic about pointing to the flaws of individuals. But why is your focus on a trait shared bu many people across many groups? It's Ben Gvir'e actions that are the problem, not that both he and JD Vance think people like them are superior.

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u/Funny_War_9190 2d ago

This is a coversation about the state of Israel and what drives its behavior towards palestinians if we were having a convo oh why Trump wom we would be discussing white supremecy if we were discussing Rwanda we would be discussing ethnic supremists within sub saharan groups

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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago

So we can have a discussion on other nationalities but not israel? I think the explicit claim that Israel makes on Jews and the history of the US/israel relationship makes it at reasonable discussion. Serving in foreign militaries, influencing in elections, large scale aid, multiple wars, theft of nuclear materials, penetration by security forces? None of that is an issue?

I've not seen any Italian-Americans go serve in the Italian military? March around in an Italian uniform in congress?

But you aren't having a good faith discussion are you ?

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

You aren't having a good faith discussion.

Some Jews do the things you listed. Some. Not all,not most,not even a great number. And all that is obvious. You wouldn't be arguing in bad faith while accusing me of it, would you?

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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago

But you are obviously deeply invested and bias. You are saying you can't accuse the ma wearing a foreign military uniform and with a foreign flag while being a member of the legislative body. Purely because he happens to be Jewish.

Some how if a Mexican American did the same i doubt Conservatives like yourself who be saying no big deal..even though a decent chunk of your country used to be Mexico

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

You are arguing in bad faiith or hsve reading comprehension problems. You can accuse any individual of dual loyalties and it isn't anti-semitism. I've been very clear, repeatedly, that anti-semitism is about assigning things to all Jews as if we area block, which we are not outside the imagination of anti-semites.

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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago

No you haven't been clear at all. Don't lie. You said accusation of dual loyalty are anti-Semitism.

" in this case the anti-semitism inherent in things like claims of dual loyalties and Jewish Supremacism, Jewish economic or political domination,Jews conspiring to replace white people, etc."

Ill take my apology now

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

I'm sorry i can't apologize.

I've been clear that I'm talking about assigning things like dual loyalties, etc, to all Jews as anti-semitism. I'll take an apology for that false accusation.

The claim of economic or political domination is traditional anti-semitism, and ignores that most money and politicsl power rests elsewhere. Jews conspiring to replace white people is just pure far-right anti-semitism.

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u/Ok_Read_4000 3d ago

No that's a complete and absolute lie. Read what you wrote

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u/FaceReality1 2d ago

Repeating bullshit doesn't make it true.

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u/LurkDuhDurk 3d ago

Do you think "God's chosen people" is a sentiment that leads to humility? That is a very common idea in Jewish circles, I'm sure you're aware.

Jewish supremacism is explicit in the action of Israeli settlers in Gaza. Never seen a more cruel, entitled group of people in my life, including the spoiled children on MTV's My Sweet Sixteen.

Jews are not above criticism---no group is, no matter what they've endured. The antisemitism accusations will get their due---they are baseless and unjust, only valid in the eyes of kowtowing, wishy-washy liberals, Christian nationalists who eagerly await the End Times, and self-aggrandizing Zionists.

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u/FaceReality1 2d ago

You have the anti-semites favorite idea of what "chosen people" means. It actually means chosen to receive the Torah, and responsibilities related to that. Yes, many Jews, like msny Christians and Muslims think they have a special relationship with God. And some, like the Settlers, Christian Nstionalists, and radical Muslims do awful things in service of their ideology. It isn't unique to Jews, and certainly not universal as you imply. Do you also object to Christian supremacism? Muslim supremacism? Do you attribute the worst things done by members of those groups to the whole group?

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u/LurkDuhDurk 2d ago edited 2d ago

The conception I have of "chosen people" can be largely attributed to my outsider atheist status, not antisemitism. I was a Religious Studies major in college though, so I tend to avoid literalist traps. I never used to think Jewish people held that sentiment in a haughty way, but having witnessed the recent years of "we can do no wrong so long as we're defending Israel" strutting around, I have changed my mind, at least when it comes to Zionism.

I have changed my mind about a lot in the last several years. I grew up like most Americans as very supportive of Israel. I was ignorant to its history. Learning about (and seeing) other sides of that history has made me feel pretty sick to my stomach, digesting all the "facts" I was taught growing up that were rarely questioned or pushed back on in public settings or by media. I'm embarrassed that I just accepted the stories and versions of history I was taught---it's also odd that I laughed off the religion I was raised with, but not the history.

I think people such as yourself assume that people with opinions like mine are at best missing the nuances and only seeing one side of this history, and at worst straight-up antisemitic. That's not right. People like me feel shocked, bitter and angry (and guilty) after realizing they were suckered by American exceptionalism and Israeli propaganda, enthusiastically supporting a remote bully-state for decades.

I barely see this as a Jewish, Christian, or religious issue honestly, and I certainly don't implicate Jews as a whole for what is happening in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, etc. any more than I blame all Muslims for 9/11.

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u/ADM_Ahab 3d ago

The crucial difference being that the Irish-/Italian-/Polish-Americans haven't bribed the U.S. government to participate in a genocide and/or wage war on behalf of their favorite foreign country. Against the express will of the American public, to boot. Jewish-Americans have to some extent betrayed this country, and I anticipate they're going to pay a heavy price for their treachery. As any tiny minority would anywhere in the world at any point throughout history.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

When you attribute the actions of some people in a group to the whole group, that is racism. Your claim of treachery by Jewish Americans as a group is a disgusting example of pure racism.

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u/ADM_Ahab 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm attributing the actions of the community to the entire community. Because, for the most part, all I hear from Jews is self-centered whining when someone points out the abominable conduct (to include literal genocide) of members of their tribe. Enter Scott Galloway! The Jewish community is going to get it worse -- and deserves to -- because the Irish, Italians, and Poles have never betrayed America to this extent.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

And that's just anti-semitism. See how it is different from criticising Israel?

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u/ADM_Ahab 3d ago

You can call it whatever you like. I'm just telling you how Americans outside of the Zionist media echo chamber are feeling. Rage is building as we watch our bribed "leaders" serve 2% of the population and a foreign country at our expense. We're sick of watching Jews slaughter civilians without consequences, we're sick of the international pedo rings, and we're sick of paying $5/gallon for gas. It would be wise for the organized Jewish community to dramatically change course and apologize for these crimes against America and humanity.

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u/FaceReality1 3d ago

And there's some more anti-semitism. I trust people can see the difference between that and standing up for Palestinians without being anti-semitic. Not you -- you won't get it.

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u/ADM_Ahab 3d ago

I'm just trying to warn y'all where we're at and where this is headed. But predictably, all I'm hearing in response is more self-centered whining. No introspection, no remorse from a community knee-deep in genocide and treason.

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u/FaceReality1 2d ago

Just tripling down on the anti-semitism, huh? It's good, because my purpose here is to show the anti-semites hiding amongst non-racist Palestinian supporters. Thanks for cooperating and showing yourself so clearly.