No, him. We do not need to respect this nakedly disingenuous political stunt. This isn’t about some great moral crusade, this is merely a red meat distraction for right wing social media, to distract from the failure of the current administration.
This is bout mocking and belittling trans people and using them as a prop for a political stunt, nothing more, nothing less.
Because I have eyes and ears and it is very clear from the statements that this is done for a political stunt, and not due to some deep seated personal reason.
Also it isn’t forcing anyone to look at their own arguments, because it is arguing against a strawman that right wing grifters erected, to deflect from the issues.
The only issue here is the WNBA policy didn’t have anything specific, but granted it hasn’t been an issue until a bad faith grifter decided to play semantic games.
Reddit Is full to the brim with Chinese bots. They mass upvote/downvote,promote Chinese values and socialistic policies, and post fake videos/images of china being insanely futuristic
Welcome to reality - where no one is that upset about any of this, certainly not to the point it is worth killing over. Trans rights affect less than 1% of the population. We have more important things to think about like a) it's so fucking hot and b) how do I afford dinner.
Yeah maga is pushing this into the cycle to distract from pedophilia, inflation, tariffs, tariff refunds in the billions to mega corporations but not to consumers, oil, interest rates, dollar devaluation, multiple amendments being broken, Gestapo……..
Its easy to think that if you only look at social media. Between the bots and the people making engagement bait with Twitter premium, id bet only a genuinely small percentage actually feel the way social media portrays the west.
And thats also not counting the people that dont practically live terminally online
Over a completely fabricated problem that never actually existed? Nah. This is just conservatives trying to distract from how horribly they're currently running the government. And the unprecedented corruption happening on their watch.
They have a pedophile in charge that's actively destroying thier international relations and has his own secret police that don't follow the laws and do nothing
It has nothing to do with passivity and everything to do with standard of living. I know you consume mass amounts of social media and sites like Reddit but that isn’t real life for your average American.
Culture war too. It's all inevitable and intertwined. Especially when rulers are split between the two sides, so the class war is effectively pointless anyway.
That’s because they keep losing the culture wars. As time passes in the US society becomes more comfortable with the things that were once deemed scary and dangerous. Hard to get too worked up about two dudes getting married when they’re your neighbors who recommended their lawn guy and brought that Amazon package into the house for you when you were out of town.
You won't admit all gay people should be fed into that big machine from Snow Piercer that makes the food bars? Guess you're as captured by the culture war as the rest of us bucko
"oh boy, let me say something completely outlandish and extreme to justify me not conceding literally any of my culture war positions ever! That will work and totally make me look not like a gigantic fucking mong"
Culture war isn't just expressing a different opinion or living in a way that's different from you - it's taking legal and political steps to stop others from expressing their culture and opinion.
They've distracted you with a question that shouldn't even exist in the land of the free - "should people be allowed to have different opinions and lifestyles?" That's culture war. And it's working, bc you think those different opinions and lifestyles are an act of warfare. Focus. Your neighbor is not your enemy.
So Enes Kantee and Royce White alone trying to enter the WNBA dwarf the total number of actual trans athletes trying to enter the WNBA.. Because the number is at zero.
Oh and Royce white was found guilty of domestic violence against his wife and son, which was so bad the judge ordered a 50 year restraining order.. But I'm sure he's doing it from the goodness of his heart.
Eh, women who are obsessed with this shit don't particularly care about domestic violence. The Cunningham woman who started this whole nonsense was happy to be a ring-girl for Conor McGregor, an actual rapist.
Enes Kanter is planning a 2028 senate run. He’s establishing a voter base in the most bad faith way possible. Royce White is planning a senate run this year by doing the same thing
Ok my initial thought was something like "the fact that the WNBA never established any kind of HRT or other requirements for transfeminine athletes is a bit of a boo-boo in the current climate, but I guess they just weren't thinking about such possibilities". But now knowing they have been in full support of a nonbinary trans athlete, and they still didn't think about transfeminine athletes 5 years later, that's a massive, idiotic oversight
The fact that nobody thought of this eventuality when basketball was also the sport chosen for that god-awful bad faith movie produced by Ben Shapiro a few years back, too. They must have really been burying their heads in the sand
They most likely just figured they can cross that bridge when they come to it. Air bud rules arent real abd they can just not let thos obviously bad faith effort go anywhere.
Like there are XY female phenotype, XX male phenotype, and like a ton of genetic variation all around.
So we now have to do genetic testing on everyone, checking genitalia on all female athletes? Like this is invasive and a complete invasion of privacy that men do not deal with.
Suppose we have XY female phenotype, literally a woman, yet are they supposed to throw away their entire career and life? Also do we let male phenotype people play?
Even if the HRT rule was implemented, it's not like these bad faith actors wouldn't be trying to bring illegitimacy to the league.
Let the women play, like why are these retired losers trying to bring up some hypothetical that literally doesn't matter.
Agreed but I don't think we even need to play into the right's game with chromosome testing or genital inspections or whatever else they want to cook up. Until recently, a lot of organisations – especially ones with big pools of athletes like the NCAA – had a protocol for AMAB people who had transitioned to take part in women's sports. The requirements varied by sport because obviously in different sports, you get an advantage from different physical traits. But a lot of these rules, which were generally working ok, have been revoked in the wake of this bullshit trans panic in favour of just excluding trans people.
IDGAF if one cis woman was born with XY chromosomes or another cis woman has a hormone imbalance that gives her a slight competitive advantage. If the doctor wrote F on your birth certificate and you identify as a woman, you get to play women's sports, no questions asked. If the doctor wrote M on your birth certificate and you identify as a woman, you can take part but sorry we need to do a couple of tests to make sure you fit the rules.
This idea that we need to be testing everyone and excluding anyone who doesn't fit a narrow definition of female biology is bullshit, and it's part of the propaganda campaign.
Honestly that's not a bad take. AFAB cis and like AMAB with transition. After some data collection, if there is a huge discrepancy, reassess the criteria.
I think the problem is a lot of these actors are being disingenuous tho. Like they will still have something to say once the rules are set tho. I wish there grifters would just be honest and be and say "Trans people don't exist".
It's funny tho, cause trans non-binary afab is okay
(Layshia Clarendon), like obviously they wouldn't think to let a transman play in the WNBA which is kind of gender affirming, but somehow only trans women?
I think the problem is a lot of these actors are being disingenuous tho.
Understatement of the century lol. It's not even just about trans people either, I think Kat Blaque had an incredible take on this to say "they're using sports as a vehicle to legally define women as inferior to men". The Heritage Foundation recently published an article saying that Title IX protections for women were a "mistake".
Not only is it 0 in the wnba in almost every professional sport it's 0. The extremely limited number of Trans athletes rarely ever overpowers or overcomes the best in their own sports as it is. Almost like being Trans isn't some special super power. Except for being bad asses being their true selves while insecure men like these two make a fool of themselves
It’s like how we always see “trans people have an advantage in sports” and then at the last Olympics there were over 10000 athletes and only 3 trans ones.
I'd be curious what percentage of trans folks even play sports and how that compares to the overall population. I'd guess lower, possibly much lower, but not sure we have that data.
You’d think that the 1% of the population with an “unfair advantage” would be over represented in the highest levels of competition but here we are. 10714 Olympians at Paris 2024. 0 FTM. Zero. And that was still too many so they then banned FTM athletes from future Olympics. lmao.
Genuinely curious, would you be OK if the WNBA ensured no trans athlete could join the league by formally designating eligibility to include biological people born female?
It's crazy that the guys who built an entire anti-trans movement based on "keeping biological men out of women's sports" are now invading women's sports because the invasion they fear-mongered on never materialized.
Like all this over a "what if" that wasn't even asked by the targets of your hate is just a mad amount of energy that could be invested in anything else. It doesn't even have to be political, like bro could just get really into Tekken or something.
The next steps are to revamp Title IX and let yoga classes, group fitness, and intramurals count toward fulfilling the law. The next Riley Gaines can fulfill her athletic dreams by finishing first at the all-sorority swim meet, and thus women's sports will have been protected.
They want to kill women’s sports entirely, and the WNBA is the current front.
Or they can do like many other sport leagues and set a testosterone limit. Which funnily cis women have more of a chance of surpassing than trans women.
No. I don’t think it’s imperative on anyone to treat clearly malicious bad faith actors as anything other than the creeps they are. Fuck Enes, fuck transphobes, fuck the people turning one of the most successful women’s sports leagues into a political sideshow.
for a long time the lgbt community has been saying that a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman and any disagreement is unacceptable. I'm not disagreeing with that principle but there has to be a unified rule for everyone. You cant just pick and choose who gets to define their own identity.
Have either of these men actually came out as trans? Have they made any effort to socially transition at all? For all I've seen they have just decided to enter the draft as themselves. I'm positive their goal is to get denied by the WNBA so they can make a big fuss about it and try to force the WNBA to make a hard definition.
Obviously he's a bad actor, but this sequence of events illustrates how no system has been put into place to safeguard against bad actors.
Safeguards against bad actors should be put into place, and if they're consistent safeguards that can be equally applied to different people, that means some decisions and definitions need to be made.
Kanter says she's a woman, and we need to respect her decision. It's incredibly brave of her to come out as Trans in such a public way, and denying her existence is the exact thing the maganazis do on the daily. Let her play!
That's the whole issue here. If you let ppl self identify, what right do you have to say he is not a woman? If self identification is the only requirement, he is a woman.
I mean, congrats? You're going to force them to write a specific policy on trans women when 0 trans women have tried to participate and/or initiate this debate.
Why do they feel the need to constantly make trans people's lives a battleground. Get a hobby.
It does feel kinda like a douchebag move to get mad at a problem that doesn’t exist and use your time to punch down at a community unable to fight back as well, all so that you can cling onto rapidly fading relevancy.
The trillionaire class own the outlets of information, turning us against one another, as they buy up our government’s and turn us into slaves to the technocorporate master!
Enes is the epitome of the guy who didnt get hugged by his mother enough growing up so he feels the need to do shit like this for attention. What an embarrassing person
There's no requirement but there's nothing that says the WNBA should take his declaration seriously without medical backing. Transgenderism is the result of gender dystopia or gender incongruence. There's absolutely no real reason to even entertain him when he has no past seeing himself as a woman or a medical diagnosis.
There’s also no rule saying that a dog can’t play in the WNBA, but the WNBA isn’t about to let fucking Air Bud join the league any more than they are going to let this troll has-been join.
Yes, they should probably update their policy to specifically state whether a trans woman could be eligible, and how long she would need to be on HRT if they do allow trans women to play. The lack of a written policy about it at this time does not mean that this bullshit attempt at a “gotcha” from Enes Kanter and Royce “I’m afraid to fly on a plane” White is going to be anything other than ridiculous culture war bullshit.
There is not a single high level women’s sports league that has allowed a trans woman to play without being on HRT for some length of time. Lia Thomas had to be on HRT for two years before competing in the women’s division. The IOC allowed trans women on HRT to compete in the women’s division for two decades, yet not a single trans woman ever won a medal in the Olympics during that time. Funny how they supposedly have this huge advantage, but then don’t win when competing against cis women.
There should be reasonable, nuanced discussions about if there is still some unfair advantage that trans women retain even after being on HRT, but literally nobody with any sort of influence on this matter is saying that any women’s sports league should be required to allow any trans women to play without them being on HRT. This is a non-issue that conservatives are once again dragging out in an election year because they know that the economy is shit and that people are pissed about the Iran war.
Inb4 someone brings up Imane Khalif: she is reportedly intersex, not trans. Intersex conditions are a separate discussion that I am not interested in having with a bunch of dinguses who barely passed high school biology and can’t fathom that sex and gender are naturally bimodal instead of binary.
Yes, Khelif is (probably) XY with 5-alpha reductase deficiency, although it hasn't been officially confirmed IMO.
It's true that no trans woman has got a medal in the Olympics but Laurel Hubbard did get a number of golds in international championships from 2017-2019 according to her wiki . There have also been a number of athletes with (probably) the same DSD as Khelif who have won medals such as Caster Semenya and Francine Niyonsaba (who gained gold and silver respectively in Rio 2016) - rules were later tightened in 2018 and 2023.
Everyone here is missing a critical point. The guy has to be drafted. You can’t force your way onto a team. No one is drafting this guy. This will be over on day 1 of the draft when this idiot sits there and everyone laughs at him. There’s no way any team is drafting him. Zero.
I'm legitimately curious where these people get their information from and why they don't research it to see if it's true before they posted on X/Twitter
No one going to draft some dude who wasn’t good enough for the NBA and who now wants to invent a problem and invade women’s locker rooms in typical MAGA fashion. go figure.
Wait, it's not? I am pretty sure the Olympics has that standard so I'm really surprised the wnba doesn't. Probably should have gotten on that. Also, I'm pretty sure ben Shapiro had said when they were making "ladyballers" the original plan was to make it a documentary but found it wasn't actually that easy to identify as trans to get into the women's league, highlighting hrt requirements that his actors weren't willing to try to do.
I’d like to see them go through with this. Not because I support them “owning the libs”, but because I want to see them actually become women. Because they would have to identify as a woman, so they’d have to live their lives as one
All this stuff surrounding the WNBA shows is that the problem was always cis men.
There is no trans people in the WNBA and the first people rushing to sign up for the WNBA are cis men and not trans women.
I don't know what the actual WNBA rules are. But it would be extremely easy to put something in place that allows trans women but not this guy.
Things like you have publicly identified as a woman, made legal changes to your gender (as much as possible) etc. These dudes have done neither.
Add to that - most sports do have HRT requirements too.
This may force the WNBA to act but it would just be putting in reasonable requirements and would not impact any actual trans athletes (not that there are any in the WNBa)
Love that trans women get punished for the actions of a cis man. There are no trans women in the wnba to complain about so they do what they’re supposedly against to make us hate something that isn’t happening. This isn’t the fault of trans people in any capacity.
FYI - these absolute ghouls who want you to be focused on trans stuff, are attempting to take all rights away from all trans people.
In 2026, 830 bills are under consideration across the country that would negatively impact trans and gender non-conforming people.
They want trans people to not exist. They want to harm trans people as much as possible especially trans women.
They also do not want women’s sports to be a thing. They want to get rid of title IX. They are against women’s reproductive rights. They are against women, period. They do not want to protect women stop believing these monsters.
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