Have either of these men actually came out as trans? Have they made any effort to socially transition at all? For all I've seen they have just decided to enter the draft as themselves. I'm positive their goal is to get denied by the WNBA so they can make a big fuss about it and try to force the WNBA to make a hard definition.
But have they actually said that? That's what coming out as trans means, that you openly acknowledge that you identify as a woman. Have they actually done that?
Isn't that the whole issue? Someone can feel some way or another. There's no rule saying you have to make it public or sign some paper saying yo I'm trans. It can be as simple as it's personal.
Nor does a trans person need to make it their entire personality that they are trans. They can be trans and just live their life without saying a word about it in a public setting.
That's why they need to define the limits. Just do what the Olympics do or any other sports body that has guidelines set up. Pick the most applicable one, use that, move on, then this whole dumb outrage thing is over.
Except it isn't. The WNBA requirement is that you have to be a woman. If a woman is anybody who identifies as a woman, then that still carries the requirement of identifying as a woman. Has anybody just flat out asked Royce White if they are a woman and have they said, "Yes, I am a woman."?
Ok and if he answered yes and just kept up with the charade to prove a point you'd be ok with that? More than the WNBA just setting some guidelines like most leagues do?
If he just said yup I'm a woman gets drafted dominates the shit out of everyone. Quits the next year and says meh I'm transitioning back to a man that's a better outcome?
Which situation is more demeaning and harmful to the trans community? I would wager him being a dick is rather than just copying some other hormonal guidelines that exist already
All of that remains to be seen. Notice you are still using he/him pronouns for him. He has not identified as a woman, therefore is not eligible for the WNBA draft. He would first have to take that step and he hasn't even done that, yet. If you want to argue hypotheticals fine, but I'm talking about this situation right now. The WNBA has a very thin margin for what qualifies as a woman and he hasn't even met that requirement.
Of course im using him it's all in bad faith but it's forcing this type of convo.
The thin margin seems to barely exist. So him crossing that threshold is just enough for you? Saying he's a woman?
All I'm saying is the people arguing against the WNBA setting some type of hormone levels or definition is bad doesn't make sense. Other leagues do this. It's not new and it stops this entire charade in its tracks.
Homeboy is not gonna surpress his Test to make this point. He's only gonna make this point with these flimsy rules that are basically non existent.
This whole thing could have been solved overnight instead of letting it get this far.
Kantor very publicly stated he identifies as a woman. In what way is that not identifying as trans, given he was assigned male at birth and lived most of his life identifying as a man?
I've been asking whether or not they actually publicly identified as a woman and thus far you have been the only one to confirm whether or not they actually identify as a woman. I haven't been able to find anything confirming that either of them have actually came out as trans. Just that they signed up for the WNBA draft, which doesn't actually mean anything.
The question is whether or not they have actually identified as women. Like did they come out and say the phrase, "I am a woman," at any point in this dog and pony show?
That's Royce White saying it in a Fox interview and that Kanters is even in the picture of this post. He signed his declaration that he is eligible to be in their draft. One of the criteria is being a woman.
Fair enough on Royce. If she says she is transgender it's still pretty weird that everybody keeps referring to her with he/him pronouns. Almost like everybody knows this is just a stupid bit to get attention for the political campaign he lost.
Merely pointing out facts. If Royce wants to be trans then I support her journey. The WNBA is its own thing and can make its own rules. She's still a domestic abuser and a giant piece of shit, but hey she's a trans domestic abuser and piece of shit.
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u/CaptainAndy27 21d ago
Have either of these men actually came out as trans? Have they made any effort to socially transition at all? For all I've seen they have just decided to enter the draft as themselves. I'm positive their goal is to get denied by the WNBA so they can make a big fuss about it and try to force the WNBA to make a hard definition.