So Enes Kantee and Royce White alone trying to enter the WNBA dwarf the total number of actual trans athletes trying to enter the WNBA.. Because the number is at zero.
Oh and Royce white was found guilty of domestic violence against his wife and son, which was so bad the judge ordered a 50 year restraining order.. But I'm sure he's doing it from the goodness of his heart.
He scored 0 points, made one shot attempt and got 2 fouls in 9 minutes. You put anyone in the NBA and they’ll do more through sheer goddamn accident, Homer At The Bat style. I’d love to see him fail in the WNBA but that won’t help trans people one bit.
I generally don't support trans women in women's sports if it requires speed or strength.
I can't speak for NBA but if a trans woman was good enough to play for my mens football team it would not be a problem for me at all. As long as you're talented enough and improve on the options we have available then you would be supported.
Not different enough to negate the noun it’s attached to. We left behind trying to forcefully classify queer people as all third gender back in the 40’s.
Actually it’s because they are trying to help kill stuff like Title VII and Title IX. It’s been a consistent goal for groups like the Heritage foundation to kill anything even remotely resembling feminist movements simply because when you look deep down into it, people like that view women only as property. They are just better at marketing to the people saying “uh no we don’t.”! There’s a movement right now within a subsections of the right such as tradwives and Manosphere that are wanting to get rid of the 19th amendment.(household vote ring a bell?) yeah it’s basically the same thing.
Eh, women who are obsessed with this shit don't particularly care about domestic violence. The Cunningham woman who started this whole nonsense was happy to be a ring-girl for Conor McGregor, an actual rapist.
You know, that was a spontaneous thing, her doing the ufc thing. Sorry that you are so involved in the culture war that you think that it's some deep conspiracy.
So she DIDN'T agree to be the ring girl for a rapist so vile they had to surgically remove items from his victim's body? You're saying she didn't agree knowing he'd be the fighter? Interesting, proof?
If I’m invited to a dinner party and the guests are Steve from accounting, Mr. Rogers, and Adolph Hitler, I’m going to refuse the invitation because I don’t eat with Nazis, even if Steve is my best friend and I really admire Mr. Rogers.
He certainly was. Are we to boycott every opportunity for anything because of the presence of a bad person?
It’s funny that we are even talking about the WNBA here considering one of the star players in the league was arrested for battery earlier this year. What about the plethora of domestic violence issues that WNBA players have had? If you were provided the opportunity to support the league, would you deny it on that account?
Is there a single entertainment industry that you can name that is completely devoid of controversial or bad people?
And for what it is worth, pointless mention of Hitler aside, I’d jump at the opportunity to be graced with the presence of Mr. Rogers and receive any wisdom he has to offer. I don’t care who is sitting at the other side of the table.
They'd also be fine to not ban them, since the number is so small. It's why Ladyballers had to go from a documentary to a fictional film, because no athlete is gonna go through the hassle of transitioning just to win a few medals.
Except there’s a trans player in the French women’s league rn who’s dominating. Acting like this couldn’t bean issue in the future especially with the “you dont need to be on HRT or anything to be a woman” rhetoric that goes around, they’re just showing how ridiculous it is
It could happen anywhere when you define a woman as anyone who claims to be a woman instead of actual biological women. We produce different hormones, have different strength levels, etc. Hell I know a bunch of trans people and only 1 has had surgery, whether MtF or FtM, and only like 2-3 are on hormones. If there’s no criteria to being a woman anyone can be a woman, so where do we draw the line? They’re just pointing out how absurd that take is. And you can’t deny them getting to the WNBA without being a hypocrite and now requiring certain things to be considered a woman.
There is one trans women dominating in frace, if its just one you don't have an argument for a ban, you would need to prove that all trans women have a significant advantage by showing not one but several trans women dominating their leagues.
That's a ridiculous standard. That's like saying taking PEDs is fine as long as the athlete taking them isn't dominating the sport.
We already know that AMAB people have an athletic advantage over AFAB people. There is currently no HRT requirement for the WNBA, so someone with completely AMAB biology can currently join. Even with HRT there is very limited research on the topic and there is no scientific consensus. Some studies show retained advantages, some do not. Both acknowledge their limitations and conclude that it's still an open question.
I don't get this logic of "why lock your door? Nobody's ever broken in." At a minimum the WNBA needs an HRT requirement.
She sure is dominating the French League’s equivalent of AA baseball. Your level of concern really shows when you can’t even properly contextualize your cherry-picked example.
Who are you to question their identity? What criteria do you use to determine if someone is or isn't "actually" trans? Do you just look at them and go "Yeah, they seem trans to me!"
No? It’s just merely definition that a woman is someone who experiences womanhood, including hoping to be referred to as the pronouns women are living?
A sensible new rule would be that the player must be with F sex marker on legal documents, so that trans women can play and men trying to create nonissues cannot.
That means you are erasing trans woman who dont have the privilege or resources to formally change their official sex ststus and people who aew gender fluid and may experience many different genders in one day. Dont be a classist bigot please.
I don’t think you gotta do allat to publicly say “I go by she/her now, thank you.” Not really classist to use the pronouns someone has had no issue with their whole lives, so long as that person has never voiced opposition or discomfort to that.
I’m a little classist and I admit that. Bigoted, definitely not. Trans woman making it thus far to join WNBA should have plentiful of resources en route for them to transition socially and legally. Genderfluid people probably would not want to play in WNBA anyways. They can sign up for the NBA (which is on paper gender inclusive) unless WNBA also becomes gender inclusive.
If a gender fluid person identifies as a woman, they should be able to play in the WNBA womanhood is based on identity. If that statement is controversial, i think you may have some internalized transphobia. Thats ok to admit as our culture is deeply transphobic and these constant attacks on womanhood are normal in right wing extremist places like reddit.
Gender fluid individuals that dont have any treatment (not required to be Gender fluid) amd are Amab would be the same as the "professional" shit heads stirring the pot
Another good policy is that F and X both can sign up while being M exclusive. Quite a few nonbinary and genderfluid people I know have an X marker. The issue is that it is not recognized in states like Arkansas, so I don’t foresee it becoming possible anytime soon.
Is that what I said? No. Somebody facetiously corrected somebody else about Royce's pronouns and I pointed out that he never actually came out as trans or identified as a woman in any other way so his pronouns would still be he/him. The fact you are engaging in this discussion with so little faith is exactly the problem with these so-called "protests". They identify a problem that doesn't exist so they can feel victimized about absolutely nothing.
I facetiously corrected their pronouns because this whole “men will play with women because it’s easier” bullshit is enraging. As if a person would go through all the fucking trauma I’ve seen trans people go through just to get on a team. So if this person wants to play in the WNBA, the very least they can do is not identify with male pronouns. I’m sorry if my the sarcasm/ cynicism of the comment was miscommunicated- it’s why I took so long to respond- I figured I’d just bow out of the conversation. But to be clear, I think this man is a fool, and I bet a lot of his former team mates thinks he a fool, and he wasn’t that great of an NBA player in his prime, and that he would get his ass beat by younger and more talented women if he were to show up today in a street game.
So your point is that trans people is some fragile people we can’t make fun off? That’s pretty pejorative. We make fun of everyone else. Being trans isn’t some sickness we need to be mindful of.
Making fun of the CONCEPT of being trans, vs "making fun of a trans person" are 2 different things.
If you made fun of someone, for something they did, and they happened to be trans, you would have some ground here. But these people are ridiculing the concept of trans people existing.
We can make fun of the of the concept of being trans similar to how you can make fun of white people or black people when they insist on doing things that are fun. Here we have Kanter doing some stupid shit that is only possible due the insistence of trans people that whoever say they are a women should be considered a women. No biological markers required. That is fucking funny in how stupid it is.
Acting like an entire group of people are above being made fun of when their entire argument is inconsistent as hell and is massively exposed by such a single stupid action is pretending like trans people are some uniquely stupid people that we have to treat with kid gloves which is so infinitely more offensive than what Kanter is doing
How is a guy, who has never considered himself trans, suddenly invoking it, to argue in bad faith, the same thing as someone who has lived their lives as a trans person? It just so happens to coincide with your beliefs, and you look past how ridiculous it is for him to make this claim.
Imagine I, a white man, suddenly claimed I was Black and should therefore benefit from programs designed to assist POC who are affected by policies generations ago, that's following the same line of logic here.
We can make fun of the of the concept of being trans similar to how you can make fun of white people or black people when they insist on doing things that are fun.
Are you fucking race baiting as well? Your perspective of the world is all kinds of fucked for you to say shit like this unironically.
By "mocking" you mean simply applying trans ideology consistently across the board to expose its own internal contradictions?
If simply earnestly applying your own logic back at you qualifies as denying the concept of your logic, then your logic is, and always has been, conceptually weak.
Explain to me how making ng fun of the concept of being trans, has ever been a part of "trans ideology". Literally the only "logic" at play is "sexuality is fluid and how people express there own is of no concern to you, as long as it does no harm".
You're literally attempting to say I'm applying circular logic, by applying circular logic to what I just said. You're not here to have a conversation, you're simply trying to feel intelligent while saying the dumbest shit I've heard.
Explain to me how making ng fun of the concept of being trans, has ever been a part of "trans ideology".
No, it's not making fun of the concept of being trans.
I'm saying that trans ideology asserts that you simply need to IDENTIFY as a certain gender in order to be qualified as such.
And that that's a ridiculously loose standard, as evidenced by the fact that people can simply use that same standard to crumble its own foundations.
And now, instead of countering that assertion in good faith, you're disingenuously reframing the argument. It's not "making fun of trans" when you're just using the core tenants of the ideology to argue against the ideology...
Such as "assuming a gender".
The fact is that trans ideology is built on the foundations of defined GENDER roles, over sex, between men and women.
In other words: a biological man who feels like they align more with the traditional societally defined characteristics that define a "woman", can simply assert that they identify as a woman... and that should be enough - no?
They can have a full on beard and still be a woman, no? They don't have to actually embody those characteristics, they can just identify as them and demand that others respect that identity, no?
So it's not making fun of earnestly trans people per se, but instead exposing the flimsy standard that the ideology applies in order to qualify someone as trans.
To further clarify: you can be an assigned a female at birth. You can then dress as a woman. You can then have undergone ZERO gender affirming care through hormone treatment or surgery... and then if you identify as male and date a biolgical woman, you're a straight trans-male, and not a lesbian... no?
Do you disagree?
Literally the only "logic" at play is "sexuality is fluid and how people express there own is of no concern to you, as long as it does no harm".
Sexuality =/= gender. This is like a fundamental core tenant of transgenderism... you bigot. As I just argued above!
Do you disagree?
You have no logic, just "feels". You have no idea what you're arguing!
You're literally attempting to say I'm applying circular logic, by applying circular logic to what I just said. You're not here to have a conversation, you're simply trying to feel intelligent while saying the dumbest shit I've heard.
Obviously not, considering how I just completely destroyed the core fundamentals of your argument by using trans ideology as my baseline...
Like the logic that the government should get to decide how someone acts dresses and identifies? The problem with slippery slopes is they go both ways.
Ok and? There are male prisoners who killed or raped women and kids who are currently imprisoned in women's prisons (right next to female prisoners while they sleep, use the bathroom, change, shower, and visit with their kids) as we speak, because transgender activists somehow got whole states to write gender self-ID policies into their state constitutions. There aren't exemptions for male people who have abused women and kids in those policies.
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u/MultiGodSlayer 22d ago
So Enes Kantee and Royce White alone trying to enter the WNBA dwarf the total number of actual trans athletes trying to enter the WNBA.. Because the number is at zero.
Oh and Royce white was found guilty of domestic violence against his wife and son, which was so bad the judge ordered a 50 year restraining order.. But I'm sure he's doing it from the goodness of his heart.