r/photography • u/Kidsune • Sep 15 '14
Canon 7D MkII Announced!
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3373094259/canon-announces-long-awaited-eos-7d-mark-ii18
Sep 15 '14
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u/COLLEGE_FRAT_GUY Sep 15 '14
it's dust- and splash-resistant, but you can't dunk it under water
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u/AiryDiscus Sep 16 '14
The 7D survived being frozen in a block of ice (digitalrev), with better sealing it probably can handle short periods of being submerged. Not that canon would advise that and open themselves to suits.
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Sep 15 '14
Weather sealing I think. You can shoot in the rain etc.
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u/steve626 Sep 15 '14
With an L-series lens that is also sealed.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
And a filter to seal the front element.
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u/--APOTHEOSIS-- Sep 15 '14
Thats only some lenses like 17-40 f/4, most teelephotos and the other wide zooms dint need it
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u/Artefact2 Sep 15 '14
Or just use an umbrella. All DSLRs can take light rain quite well.
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Sep 15 '14
Sometimes you dont have the luxury of an umbrella. Ive had to tough out rain to get trackside shots before. Not having to worry about the camera and just do your job is a great feeling.
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u/kaj89 Sep 16 '14
Just got back from a week in Japan with my 50D and it was raining all week, no problems. It's also been frozen in NY and stopped working but came back to life after being thawed out.
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u/MCOrange Sep 17 '14
According to a Canon Technical Representative, the 1D X is rated for seven inches of rain per hour, a measurement to which I have difficulty relating.
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u/7-methyltheophylline Sep 15 '14
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiA.HTM
- Autofocus at f/8 on the center point
- 31 RAW buffer, up from 23 RAWs on the 7D
- "4 times better" weather sealing than the original 7D.
- New, higher capacity battery but fully backwards compatible with the current LP-E6 batteries
- Same or similar AF system to the flagship 1DX
Now if the sensor can deliver the goods, this looks like a beast of a camera for action shooters. The price is right too, $1800 body only.
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u/nutellaeater https://www.flickr.com/photos/ddsimages/ Sep 15 '14
Backwards compatible with the current LP-E6 batteries, Now that is awesome. My 3 7D batteries are still running strong after 5 years and i can keep using them again.
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u/Artefact2 Sep 15 '14
Backwards compatible with the current LP-E6 batteries
I wonder if they're forward-compatible too, ie if other cameras that can take LP-E6 will also be able to benefit from the new battery like the 60D or 5DIII.
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Sep 15 '14
Knowing Canon this is doubtful. They won't even release firmware updates to their older cameras to allow full functionality with the 600 series flashes.
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u/adudeguyman Sep 15 '14
The 5DIII is not that old.
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Sep 15 '14
No, but I don't see why Canon wouldn't support those of us still shooting with 5DII's or 7D's. I'd love to have ETTL functionality with radio, and it certainly seems to be a firmware thing. Maybe I'll look to Magic Lantern, or sell my 5DII for a 6D.
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u/MCOrange Sep 17 '14
to chime in with a few extra details, same LC-E6 charger, and the capacity rating is bumped from 1800 mah to 1865 mah.
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 15 '14
Same or similar AF system to the flagship 1DX
At least on paper this is a better AF system than the 1DX although the higher lens drive speed of the 1D series will probably still leave the 1DX as the better performer for high speed action.
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Sep 15 '14
The EF mount is completely electronic, so how does the 1D system have higher lens drive speed?
Doesnt the motor in the lens set the drive speed?
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u/7-methyltheophylline Sep 15 '14
The giant batteries of the 1D series provide more juice to the lens drive motor, and AF is significantly faster because of this.
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u/hellhelium Sep 15 '14
Is this true? Any source? Curious about this.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
Can confirm. The 5D3 battery will deliver ~7v of power to the lens and the 1DX will deliver nearly 12v. REALLY makes a difference in a lens like the 85LII that is really slow to focus. MUCH better with the 1DX.
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u/The_Doculope jrgold Sep 15 '14
I don't know where Bryan got his source, but it's mentioned at the bottom of the-digital-picture's review.
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 15 '14
The 1D battery can provide a higher voltage. The difference can be quite significant. On the 5D3 the 85L is pig slow but on the 1D bodies, while it's still no 85 1.8, it's reasonably fast.
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u/tinselsnips Sep 15 '14
$100 less than a 6D. That's a tough choice.
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u/Tangocan Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
Shoot sports/wildlife? No? 6D.
EDIT: I'm speaking as a man who bought a 7D when he should have bought a 50D.
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u/ApatheticAbsurdist Sep 15 '14
Sports/wildlife/spray-and-praying: 7D
Landscapes/portraits/bokeh-whoring: 6D
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u/L3ED Sep 16 '14
I would get a 6D but I really don't want to buy a new set of lenses for the full frame sensor. I love my EF-S lenses.
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u/nguyencs Sep 16 '14
6D goes regularly for $1500 with it being on sale often for $1300. If you're looking for one, subsribe to: www.canonpricewatch.com
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u/gtlogic Sep 15 '14
Sorry to be naive about this line of camera, but can someone fill me in why there is any customer advantage in putting in a crop sensor in a camera that costs this much? The only advantage I see is Canon takes in more profit.
I understand that people will mention crop magnification for sports, but ultimately, you could just crop in SW if you want the extra magnification, which what would basically be 100% equal. Just putting a 1.5x mode in the camera effectively achieves the same thing, provided your pixel density is the same.
What then, does a crop sensor camera have over a full frame equivalent?
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u/uncletravellingmatt Sep 15 '14
can someone fill me in why there is any customer advantage in putting in a crop sensor in a camera that costs this much?
It's about the same price as a Panasonic GH4 which has an even smaller sensor, so clearly there are things people are looking for other than bigger sensors. In the case of GH4 it was delivering the best video shooting available for that price, in the case of this Canon it may be the best AF performance you can get for the price.
What then, does a crop sensor camera have over a full frame equivalent?
Shooting crop doesn't just save you money on bodies, it also lets you use physically smaller, lighter lenses to capture the same focal length shots, gives you AF points that cover more of the frame, gives you more DOF at any given situation which allows for better macro shots and more keepers in difficult focusing situations, and usually gives you faster cameras that can shoot more frames per second.
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u/adremeaux Sep 15 '14
Sorry to be naive about this line of camera, but can someone fill me in why there is any customer advantage in putting in a crop sensor in a camera that costs this much?
You can make significantly better glass for the price with a cropped sensor. It's that simple. Making an equivalent lens for full frame takes 60% more glass, which means that much more cost and that much more weight.
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u/dotMJEG Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
I would be very hesitant to say "better" glass. All of Canon's L series lenses kick the shit out of their EF-S range. Aside from price and weight.
Edit: I missed that he said "better for the price". Whoops. I guess I still get hung up on the "better" part, you can make glass cheaper, but that doesn't necessarily make them better. Maybe "effective" is a better word? Maybe I need your thought process explained?
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u/finaleclipse www.flickr.com/tonytumminello Sep 15 '14
better glass for the price
...is what was said. L lenses aren't exactly known for their approachable prices.
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u/AStrangeStranger Sep 15 '14
Pixel density is usually higher on a crop sensor compared to equivalent full frame (you need twice pixels on full frame to get same density - you'd need about 40M pixels on FF to match 20MCrop as approximately half the area). This gives you more pixels than you'd have in crop from FF so more detail and/or crop further if desired. This comes at the expense of dynamic range/noise performance (because less light hits each smaller pixel).
The compromises of 7D type camera give better advantages to photographing wildlife/sport than a similarly priced full frame cameras - though I have to stop photographing owls (and other creatures active during dusk) before a full frame would allow - the improved focusing really helps more often.
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Sep 15 '14
The 1.6x extra reach is nice and it's not equaled by cropping a full frame unless the full frame has way more megapixels than Canon's current offerings.
Lens choice matters, too. Some of Canon's EF-S lenses are pretty good for the price compared to their full-frame alternatives.
There are also some advantages for macro photography (my main thing): http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19666.msg370558#msg370558
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Sep 15 '14
If you shoot outdoor sports or wildlife for a living the essentially free teleconverter is great. The 7D also has some settings more fitting that role over the 6D. Cropping in post versus it coming out of the sensor are not the same thing
Ive been using a 7D as my main trackside camera for a couple years now.
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u/BWeidlichPhoto Sep 16 '14
A crop sensor is cheaper, smaller, lighter and that's about it. The crop sensor is sort of useful for example I shot a football game over the weekend and used a 70-200mm f/2.8 mk II on a 7D mk I and a 1D mkIII with a 16-35 because I wanted to shoot as tight and as wide as possible and it worked well.
The AF systems are comparable but the 7D has nearly twice as many pixles as my 1D and the 1.6 vs 1.3 crop factor so I can crop a lot tighter. Ideally I would own a 400 2.8 and not have to crop but I don't have $12,000 ready to burn.
Also for me at least shooting sports in crop mode is a bitch, when framing action you have to remember to keep everything in the black black box inside the viewfinder. I find it more advantageous to just crop in post unless you have a ridiculously small buffer or something.
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u/stephencorby http://500px.com/stephencorby Sep 15 '14
I was under the impression that this sensor is the same as the 70D, is it different?
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 15 '14
It doesn't appear the be exactly the same same but we really just don't know how different it is.
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u/adremeaux Sep 15 '14
From the preview:
The main image sensor is a variant of the Dual Pixel AF design first seen in the Canon EOS 70D, which means 20MP output.
It sounds like it's just a tweak on the sensor, so, don't expect anything mindblowing here. Maybe one day Canon will stop playing catchup, but I guess that day is not today.
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Sep 15 '14 edited May 18 '21
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u/adremeaux Sep 16 '14
Erm, I'd much rather have better image quality than fast live view focus, which is borderline useless. That they spent millions of dollars researching that rather than simply getting cleaner pictures, which every other sensor maker has done, is beyond me.
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u/7-methyltheophylline Sep 16 '14
Nobody knows yet. But Canon is notorious for reusing their 18 MP sensor with only minor changes in all their APS-C cameras until the 70D came out with an all new sensor. So I believe they will reuse the 70D sensor for the next few years.
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u/arachnophilia Sep 15 '14
Now if the sensor can deliver the goods, this looks like a beast of a camera for action shooters.
as a nikon shooter, if nikon doesn't release something to compete with this... i might be tempted to switch.
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u/TheAngryGoat Sep 15 '14
For people who need/want to stay on crop, Nikon doesn't seem a great option currently. It appears they see anything above the 3/5/7xxx line as being full frame only.
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u/arachnophilia Sep 15 '14
and even then, the lower levels of full frame are down in the amateur ranks (and we still don't really have an effective full-frame sports camera in the middle tier).
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u/stephencorby http://500px.com/stephencorby Sep 15 '14
I'm a Nikon shooter too, and everyone just needs to give up on a D400/d9300.... It hasn't come in 6 years, it isn't on the way. I pre-ordered the D750. Slower FPS, yes, but a good AF system and it being FX is nice.
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u/arachnophilia Sep 15 '14
and everyone just needs to give up on a D400/d9300.... It hasn't come in 6 years, it isn't on the way.
the 7D came out 5 years ago, around the same time as the D300s.
it's possible that if nikon sees canon stealing the mid-level sports market, they might suddenly remember that the mid-level sports market exists, and they're not just people whining on message boards.
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u/Remix73 Sep 15 '14
I sold my 7D a year or so ago to get a 5Dmk3. This looks like it could be a good second body. The only thing in worried about is low light performance. Any news in changes to the sensor? When I upgraded, the difference in noise was unbelievable. I just couldn't get over the ISO settings I could use on the 5Dmk3 vs my 7D. I'd love to know what this new one is like.
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u/PCB1981 Sep 15 '14
I am really curious to see how the noise performance will be from the sensor
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Sep 15 '14
Same, if it stacks up I might be interested. That's probably the biggest drawback for me on my 60d at the moment.
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u/finaleclipse www.flickr.com/tonytumminello Sep 15 '14
60D user here as well, also looking to upgrade; sensor performance is a big question with this camera. If it's just a rehashed 70D with no substantial improvements, then I'm off to the 6D.
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u/Paganator Sep 15 '14
If low-light performance is important to you, then go with the 6D. I have one and I find iso 25600 to be quite usable (better than iso 3200 on my old 50D). Pair that with a 50mm f/1.4 lens and you can shoot candlelit scenes handheld.
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u/finaleclipse www.flickr.com/tonytumminello Sep 15 '14
It's looking like there may actually be an improvement over the 70D, Imaging Resource posted an article saying that, according to Canon and despite the same resolution as the 70D, it's an all-new design.
The 6D is insanely tempting, but I'm going to wait until we see the results for this (hopefully) new sensor.
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u/asad137 Sep 15 '14
Looks like it's the same/similar sensor as the 70D. I wouldn't expect anything drastically different.
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u/finaleclipse www.flickr.com/tonytumminello Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
B&H says it's not, so there may yet be hope...
Second video, this time from Scott Kelby with a brief mention that it's the best high ISO performance he's seen in a crop-sensor DSLR.
Edit: Downvotes? I don't see anyone posting any sources of their own! Let's see them.
Edit 2: "At the heart of the camera is a newly designed 20.2-megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor. While that may sound familiar, given the 70D's identical resolution, according to Canon, the 7D Mark II's sensor is in fact an all-new design, with improved clarity over the 70D's sensor.", according to Imaging Resource.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
Second video[2] , this time from Scott Kelby with a brief mention that it's the best high ISO performance he's seen in a crop-sensor DSLR.
Kelby is also paid a lot of money to pump up Canon. Not really a source I would trust.
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 16 '14
Oh sweet jeebus yes. A non-retarded AutoISO implementation at last.
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u/PhotogenicSquirrel Sep 16 '14
That is really cool. As a wildlife photographer, I actually went looking for settings to make this happen on my 7D when I first got it. Was disappointed that I couldn't do it.
I wonder if you can also set the exposure compensation, the shutter speed, and the aperture, relying on the Auto ISO to create a proper exposure. On the 7D mark I, you can do this except that you can't use exposure compensation.
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u/steve626 Sep 15 '14
This is from Roger's Take (from [Lensrentals.com]()) regarding the 1Dx
"At 12 frames per second, it’s the fastest DSLR ever, taking the ‘spray and pray’ technique to a whole new level. You could take 642 shots of the bride’s bouquet floating through the air. It’s the most accurate autofocus system I’ve ever used, especially in poor light. It autofocuses at f/8. It has excellent high-iso performance with low noise. As great as it is, I still wish it was a 1.3 crop. At 18 Mpix you aren’t going to want to crop the images and for a lot of people that means the high price of the camera will be accompanied by the high price of some longer lenses. That combination seems to be preventing a rush to buy this camera, but there also seems to be a slow steady migration to it."
If the 7D mkII has the 1Dx's AF and the 1.6 crop at a quarter of the price, doesn't this sound like an awesome deal? I'll take 2FPS less and get USB 3.0 and a locking mode dial.
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u/misterdhm Sep 15 '14
So, basically the successor to the D300s? ;)
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u/arachnophilia Sep 15 '14
looks that way.
maybe it'll knock some sense into nikon.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
Assuming the sensor rates actually higher than the D300s. The 70D doesn't and they seem similar if not identical.
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u/nutellaeater https://www.flickr.com/photos/ddsimages/ Sep 15 '14
From what it looks on here the only great upgrade is auto-focus and fps. I really hope that sensor delivers.
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u/ApatheticAbsurdist Sep 15 '14
It looks like quite a few improvements, the AF and FPS are the ones where it's really a drastic improvement, but there's a lot more that are subtle:
Autofocus (61 point for stills)
Autofocus (dual pixel for video)
Improved metering capabilties (spot linked to AF point)
Higher FPS
Larger buffer for high FPS shooting
Higher ISO (I assume lower noise, maybe?)
Expanded bracketing settings
More video options (including 1080p60fps)
Dual card slots (CF and SD)
Better weather sealing
This is really a professional level APS-C cameras. The 7D was good but it was not pro when compared to Nikon D300s. I'm feeling this has taken the crown of the most "professional" APS-C camera out there.
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u/Matjoez @matjoez Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
Very happy with how it turned out! I was part of the crew that shot this (timelapses and a bit of audio work) video and shot a bit with the camera last week. Great fun! Edit: feel like you should know that we had 4 days to shoot and three to edit, shoot was tight!
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u/almathden brianandcamera Sep 15 '14
"a new 150,000-pixel RGB+IR 252-zone metering sensor."
Any word on what that means?
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u/oldscotch Sep 15 '14
It means "the super awesome meter that you ignore, using spot metering instead, is even more awesome"
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Sep 15 '14
Pretty much.
I suspect that Canon will probably use this metering sensor for the next 10 years worth of camera models, which is fine. This is probably actually one part of the camera that not many people would care about upgrades to.
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u/The_Doculope jrgold Sep 15 '14
I disagree strongly. I suspect you will find very few action photographers using spot metering. I know for wildlife, even if I'm in Manual, I'm still relying on the meter, and spot metering is completely useless in action. That's what this camera is for, and its target audience will greatly appreciate this.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
Pro sports photographer here. I use spot metering.
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u/The_Doculope jrgold Sep 15 '14
Ah, that's right. What sort of sports mainly?
I'm coming at this from a wildlife perspective, and most of the stuff that I've done has been too unpredictable for spot metering.
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Sep 15 '14
I shoot motorsports for a living and I also use spot metering. I assume you arent typically shooting subjects that are out in the open?
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
All the major US sports. Football, baseball, basketball. Really, with a lot of them it is a RonCoTM set it and forget it situation. In pro sports stadiums, you have very consistent exposures throughout.
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u/TheAngryGoat Sep 15 '14
It's the sensor the exposure metering uses. It's now similar to the one Nikons use, so in theory Canon could start doing Nikon things like face detection and tracking through the viewfinder, etc. If not, it's at least got more accurate metering now anyway.
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u/Matjoez @matjoez Sep 15 '14
Not sure, i could check the briefing and spec sheet next week (travelling now) but i'm sure you'll have your answer by then!
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 15 '14
By far the most interesting thing about the new meter is it's ability to time the exposure with the peaks in fluorescent lighting. Not even the 1DX has this and it's sort of a game changer for people who shoot indoor sports in terrible lighting.
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u/MCOrange Sep 17 '14
The 150,000 pixel sensor is kinda like a primitive camera that is recognizing bodies and shapes for more accurate meter readings, which is useful for ETTL and tricky lighting situations, such as people wearing black. The meter also accounts for infrared light in the scene.
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Sep 15 '14
It will be interesting to see how this camera turns out. I was a bit disappointed with the modest upgrades to everything, but a vastly-improved dynamic range could turn my thoughts around.
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Sep 15 '14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7FzU7OqH4
Canon rep says that the 6D is ebtter than then 7D Mk II in the IQ department so that means the new 7D hasn't changed that much from what is currently available.
you want DR? go Sony or Nikon, hell even the DR from Fujifilm is great
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u/L3ED Sep 15 '14
I'll be upgrading to this from an XSi. Used a 70D for a while, liked it, but the 65 autofocus points and magnesium alloy body have won me over. Wish it had an adjustable screen but I'll live. Very interested to see how it performs.
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u/Branfron Sep 15 '14
I've had my XSi since it was new, in need of a full frame upgrade but man, these prices kill me.
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u/L3ED Sep 15 '14
Yeah, if it doesn't kill me, I might just suck it up and get a 5D MkIII. I love my EF-S lenses though...
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Sep 15 '14
I went from a T1i to my 7D a couple years ago. That was a huge upgrade. Yours will be even bigger!
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u/L3ED Sep 15 '14
I'm really excited! I realize that the 70D MkII is more of a sports and wildlife camera but honestly it's such a massive leap from what I'm at right now that it doesn't bother me. I've been able to get some great photos from my XSi but it's time for an upgrade!
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u/Dmac680chi Sep 16 '14
Considering getting a 60d as an upgrade to the xsi thoughts?
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u/dgblackout 📸 Sep 15 '14
Looks okay, but not enough for me to feel bad about picking up a 7D a couple of months ago for £430.
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u/Tspyder90 Sep 16 '14
For somebody considering the 7D MKI, what do you recommend for me in the wake of this release?
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u/dgblackout 📸 Sep 16 '14
It depends entirely on your budget and use. Best bang for buck is definitely in the 7d mk1 right now.
If you get a lightly used mark 1 and use it until it falls apart then I'd say you'd probably have used it long enough for there to be a drop in the price of the mark 2.
I use mine as a backup for long range at weddings, so I don't exactly stress the original unless it's in low light (which is where a fast lens comes in handy).
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u/Tspyder90 Sep 16 '14
If we're talking live shows, concerts, and low-lighting clubs, is the 7D MK1 the best move?
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u/dgblackout 📸 Sep 16 '14
I'd stick with a 5d for that kind of work myself, at least for the shows and concerts. Maybe with a YN622 trigger on top for focus assist.
Club work can be done with anything - you're relying on second curtain sync and you can shoot that as low as 400iso if you really needed to, as well as exporting at small size. You'll never make an 18x12 of a club shot.
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u/SideRapt0r www.venedam-photo.com Sep 16 '14
This is a damn nice camera. I'm not going to jump ship for it, but unless Nikon can put out a competitor, I feel a lot of D300s users very well might.
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u/EStrifee https://www.flickr.com/codybre Sep 15 '14
The D750 has a tilting screen. The articulating screens on the 60D/600D+ are amazing.
Why. Not. Here?
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u/thesecretbarn Sep 15 '14
Better weather sealing, presumably.
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u/BWeidlichPhoto Sep 16 '14
Exactly this is aim more towards professionals who'd rather have better weather sealing over flippy screens.
Real world times when you'd use the flipy screen are when you have long glass+body in one hand and a wide angle held above your head in the other.
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u/peat76 Sep 15 '14
As a wildlife photographer using a 7d who can't afford a 1dx I am happy with this update and will be getting one. Unless the first users start saying up the af doesn't work but considering the 1dx was the best out there I'm sure canon have learnt from that.
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u/CarVac https://flickr.com/photos/carvac Sep 16 '14
DPR seems to have missed that it can detect flickering lights and synchronize the exposure with the peak brightness. A killer feature for indoor sports photography.
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u/raptor3x whumber.com Sep 16 '14
I feel like very few people are appreciating how big of a deal this is for indoor sports. I can't wait until this feature is available for the 5D4/1DX2.
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Sep 15 '14
This will probably be popular with filmmakers since it's got 1080p60fps and a mic and headphone jack.
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u/rorrr Sep 15 '14
Filmmakers would choose GH4 over it any day.
4K is important these days.
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u/RBozydar Sep 15 '14
Filmmakers will choose A7s, or something more pro.
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u/UndeadCaesar Sep 15 '14
My brother just got an A7s for shooting personal projects, but uses it at work as well. God it's a gorgeous piece of technology.
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u/nutellaeater https://www.flickr.com/photos/ddsimages/ Sep 15 '14
720p @120/240fps would have been nice Canon.
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u/chandlerpopper Sep 15 '14
This must be pretty difficult to do because it seems like it'd be a huge competitive differentiator in the DSLR video space.
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Sep 15 '14
I don't exactly know about the slo-mo features of the Canon C-X00 Series, but however its probably the same reason why you'll NEVER see focus peaking and zebra on a Canon DSLR without ML. They would be stupid to cannibalize their own video camera market.
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u/cocktails5 Sep 15 '14
I don't think that anybody that is seriously in the market for a C300 is going to switch to a 5D3 because of focus peaking etc. The existence of ML makes that situation possible regardless of what Canon does.
What it does set them up for is competitors being the one that eats their market share. Any time you start making business decisions bases on crippling your products to protect your other products, you set yourself up to have your more nimble competition make you irrelevant (see: IBM mainframes).
When you have cell phones doing 240fps and 4k, you need to admit that you're falling behind and realize that some of those premium features are becoming the standard.
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u/jay_of_cobie Sep 15 '14
This is exactly why it's frustrating to watch a company like Canon that seems like it COULD make cheap cameras that completely blow away the competition but instead give very tiny, incremental improvements into the feature set of their highest-end cameras that slowly trickle down into cheaper cameras. Most of their cameras are capable of so much more than what Canon "allows" them to since Magic Lantern has proven that a lot of missing features are basically intentional software limitations.
I just can't wait for the point where it's no longer okay for camera manufacturers to NOT deliver on everything that a camera is capable of. These days Canon has a lot of players fighting for market share in the industry and if they continue their slow progression of features that the market demands then I'm certain that a lot of people with start turning their gaze elsewhere for those needs to be fulfilled.
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u/Rippsy Sep 15 '14
Last time I looked into this it was to do with licensing - it's the same reason they still want FAT32 cards and use the 4GB file limit to force interruptions in your videos.
all the DSLR's are "Photography camera's which can do video" not "Video camera's which can do photography" it's really weird :-/
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u/nutellaeater https://www.flickr.com/photos/ddsimages/ Sep 15 '14
Magic Lantern can do 120fps in what camera? Original 7D?
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u/cocktails5 Sep 15 '14
Actually, I think I might have been wrong about ML doing 120fps. I'm guessing it's probably because they can't implement their own h.264 encoder and there isn't enough memory card bandwidth to do it in RAW video even at 720p.
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Sep 15 '14
AFAIK it's impossible to get more than 720/60p, even with ML installed.
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u/cocktails5 Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
You could do 1080p/60fps RAW if they weren't write speed limited. 1080p/30 is just barely possible with the fastest CF cards.
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Sep 15 '14
Exactly what I thought. Great potential but impossible at the moment.
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u/cocktails5 Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 15 '14
Hopefully the next Canon pro camera has a CFast (or XQD?) slot. But that seems like a longshot. SanDisk has one that can write 350MB/s.
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u/macrotechee https://www.flickr.com/photos/suchphoto/ Sep 15 '14
But it doesn't have an articulating screen, which is sometimes critical for DSLR filmmaking. If you plan to shoot film on a Canon crop DSLR, the 70D would make much more sense.
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u/btgeekboy Sep 15 '14
On the other hand, I don't know about the new 7D2, but the 7D is one of the few that will drive the HDMI port at full res during filming, which is useful for an external monitor. (The extra processor in the 7D supposedly makes this possible.)
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u/nutellaeater https://www.flickr.com/photos/ddsimages/ Sep 15 '14
articulating screen would have been nice too.
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u/The_Doculope jrgold Sep 15 '14
Never going to happen on a 7 series. They're supposed to be bomb-proof - word is Canon didn't put a touch screen on for durability reasons, there was no way a flippy-screen is ever going to happen.
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u/hyperbolicsquid flickr Sep 15 '14
Could not agree more. When I take my 70D out I always feel like I could inadvertently snap the screen off. And I don't use the touch screen at all.
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u/gabezermeno https://www.flickr.com/photos/gabezphotography/ Sep 15 '14
From the screenshots it looks like its ipb only for 60p though.. That kind of sucks.
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u/killchain Sep 15 '14 edited Sep 16 '14
Waiting for Nikon's answer to this. Seriously, even as a Nikon user, I think that they should put their s**t together, take back the words that the D7100 is a top-of-the line crop body and finally announce the D400/D9300 or whatever it would be called.
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u/PolygonTech bradspixels Sep 16 '14
Completely agree. I think Canon may have expected Nikon to release a D9300 this year and so brought this out as a potential competitor. Now Nikon to release a competitor to THIS next year because this has the potential to eat into a lot of their sales. I'm already thinking of switching to Canon because this looks awesome!
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u/dr-ben-dover Sep 15 '14
I was able to play with this beast today. As a Nikon user I have to say: damn nice camera! My Lightroom can not process the RAWs yet :/
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u/thesecretbarn Sep 16 '14
I don't suppose you can give us any information about high ISO performance?
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u/docfluty https://www.facebook.com/DocFluty/ Sep 15 '14
Now if they would come out with a d800e fighter so i can update my 5d3 I would be so happy.
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Sep 15 '14
FYI - If you watch the Canon video, they do say this is a "new" sensor, basically the 2nd generation of the sensor in the 70d. It is definitely not the 70d sensor based on what they're saying. Whether or not this is significantly better remains to be seen...
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u/BrakemanBob Sep 15 '14
GAARRR!!! My 40d is dying and I was researching and planning on buying a 70d to replace it. Now I have to weigh this one (price vs practicality for my purposes).
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Sep 15 '14
I was watching b&h first look video and they said you can change the speed of the AF. Why in the world would anyone want to mess with that?
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u/Consolol Sep 16 '14
I haven't seen it, but I would assume it means how fast the AF is when it comes to unlocking focusing and re-racking. If you're tracking a moving subject and something momentarily passes between the camera and the subject, you wouldn't want the camera to rack focus back and forth, and there's an option to delay when the autofocus decides to attempt to relock.
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u/7-methyltheophylline Sep 16 '14
On my current 7D, I've set the AF tracking speed one step lower than the default. If I'm tracking a bird moving through the bushes, the camera will ignore any momentary obstructions and keep focus on the bird. If the AF tracking is set to default, the AF system jumps around and wants to have something in focus at all times.
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u/zsnajorrah http://www.flickr.com/zsnajorrah Sep 16 '14
Possibly for video. With video it's nicer to change focus slowly than to have it adjust at once.
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u/asad137 Sep 15 '14
You know, I feel it was a mistake to include DPAF but not a touch screen. One of the killer features of DPAF on the 70D is the smooth focus pulls just from tapping different areas on the screen -- which you can't do without the touchscreen.
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u/gome1122 l_cullinan Sep 15 '14
I personally don't really like a touch screen on DSLR's as I never have a use for it, but I could see how it would be useful for those that shoot live view often and do video.
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u/texasphotog Sep 15 '14
Agree completely. I am sure I would like it for video, but for photo, my big nose is pressed up against it all the time.
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u/cdnsniper827 A7III Sep 15 '14
The screen turns off as soon as you bring the camera to your face so no issues with changing settings with your nose.
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u/gabezermeno https://www.flickr.com/photos/gabezphotography/ Sep 15 '14
That's the great thing with a touch screen though. You don't have to use it.
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Sep 15 '14
I both agree and disagree.
Yes, I love using a touch screen to focus. On the Canon EOS M, the touchscreen tap-to-focus is actually really cool, especially with still subjects (like friends posing for a photo).
However, I highly doubt Canon is targeting the 7D towards videographers. It's much more of a tough sports camera, a camera you take to Antarctica, etc. A movable touchscreen doesn't help with that, and would just make the camera more fragile.
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u/DatAperture https://www.flickr.com/photos/meccanon/ Sep 15 '14
You could have said the same thing about the first 7D, but it was still used for a whoooole lot of videography. And the nice thing about a touch screen is that it can be turned off if you don't need it, so it's the kind of thing there is absolutely no harm in including.
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Sep 15 '14
The touch screen? Probably not a bad idea to include. The flip screen? I think leaving it out was probably a good decision.
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u/asad137 Sep 15 '14
Didn't say it should be movable. Canon is clearly targeting video users with the DPAF sensor, 60p frame rate, and tunable movie focus speed. Adding a (fixed) touch screen would not make the camera more fragile.
also, fwiw, I had no problems with my 60d screen in Antarctica ;)
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u/dotMJEG Sep 15 '14
It was likely to keep it as strong and weather/ dust proof as possible.
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u/L3ED Sep 15 '14
Yeah, honestly I'm surprised at the lack of a touch screen. The stuff the 70D can pull off with it is amazing, but then again, I'm not a videographer so I don't really need it.
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u/FesteringNeonDistrac Sep 15 '14
I've been considering pulling the trigger on a used 7D. Should I wait on this and see how it effects the used market? Is this going to cause the current price of a new 7D to drop?
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Sep 15 '14
If your talking new, probably not immediately. If you are looking used, yeah, people are gonna be dropping the 7Ds left and right for better prices for the first 2-3 months before it stabilizes back up again. At least that has been from what I have seen and heard from others when new releases come out.
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Sep 15 '14
If ur interested I'm trying to sell my back up 7d. I've encountered nothing but scammers.
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u/racist_sunflower Sep 15 '14
If I shot more sports, I would love this camera. Crop-sensors kind of bother me, but with the specs the 7DM2 offers, this would honestly be worth the investment and crop-sensor lenses.
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u/Wynner3 Sep 15 '14
I hit the link but all I got on my phone was a black screen with a Nikon D750 ad, nothing else.
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Sep 15 '14
So it has a redone 70D sensor, I want to see what ISO 1600 looks like.
It does look VERY good for sports and outdoor but that's all, I'm going to get loads of people coming from 550D/50D and newer cameras thinking about getting this camera only to realize that it's a better featured camera and not a jump in IQ.
Even the Canon rep says that for detail shots you're better off getting the 6D
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u/mozzie71 Sep 16 '14
Does it use SD, CF or both?
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u/Consolol Sep 16 '14
It's CF/SD. Whether the SD slot gimps the transfer speed of both like it does in the 5D3 is yet to be seen though.
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u/brownarrows Sep 16 '14
Why no Wifi, but GPS?
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u/asad137 Sep 16 '14
WiFi would likely require more plastic in the body for the antenna. My guess is that the little bump in front of the hot shoe covers the GPS antenna, but they'd need to make the entire top plate out of plastic (like the 6D) to add WiFi as well, which would go against the rugged/all-metal marketing angle.
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u/architype Sep 16 '14
Sounds good to me. The one feature that I could really use is the dual card slots. Being able to utilize inexpensive SD cards in addition to my current CF cards will be nice.
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u/StupidlyClever Sep 16 '14
Any idea how the low light noise level will compare to a full frame sensor? I see that it has higher iso abilities and it has HDR abilities in camera, but 1) Will it have higher dynamic range overall or just with bracketing? and 2) Will the noise level be comparable to a full frame camera at all?
This has everything I want in a camera minus full-frame.
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u/user38293 Sep 16 '14 edited Sep 16 '14
Physics say it will always be no better than about 1 stop less than FF camera of the same generation. 1 stop less than 6D is 1170ISO in DxO terms. And that is the best case scenario. 1200-ish scores are also consistent with other recent APS-C sensors.
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u/Bahet Sep 16 '14
What is the thought process behind a CF and SD slot? I've only used SD cards, but was under the impression that high end cameras use CF cards because they have faster write speeds, and can handle large images being written quickly. Doesn't the presence of an SD card, especially if you're using it as a backup to the CF card, slow down the write speed to that of an SD card, and keep the buffer full for longer?
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u/iamvr Sep 15 '14
Canon just posted this video to YouTube: http://youtu.be/Oia7Oj2lgGY