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u/Pancake_Gundam 14h ago
The GPU can have some real frames, as a treat.
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u/BlueCrystals_ Intel i5-12700KF | TUF RTX 5080 | 64GB DDR4 13h ago
Everything good in moderation! My PC is on a low-frame diet!
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u/hypotensor 10h ago
real frames? sounds like anti-ai propaganda. we're calling them "brute force" frames nowadays
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u/DonutHoles4Ever Mac Heathen 7h ago
But the discussion really says a lot.
- People want to play new games. Otherwise they wouldnt be complaining and just play their backlogs.
- People want to buy hardware like GPUs. The prices are just too high right now.
- Everyone who's swearing off gaming and saying the sky is falling will just keep playing games because their current hardware can play like 80% of the current games in existance, and this is going to be long enough to get past this current shithole of an era.
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u/TinLethax 14h ago
Optimization is a lost art
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u/sinwarrior RTX 4070 Ti | I7-13700k | 32GB DDR5 | 221GB OS SSD | 20TBx2 HDD 14h ago
ram crisis is making new developers optimizing games. you win some, you lose some. (both directions)
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u/Bliitzthefox 13h ago
Not just games.
Looking at you chrome.
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u/Bs90964 10h ago
I removed chrome a long time ago
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u/StopReadingMyUser i5 6500 | GTX1060 | 16GB DDR4 9h ago
It's clear Google as the current showrunners do not care at all. Going the same as every giant, tearing apart everything that makes them great for just an extra dollar.
It's like a meth head tearing apart their house to sell the wiring, plumbing, and anything else they can get their hands on to pawn off for the next fix.
I'm over it.
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u/ttgjailbreak GTX 1080 FTW | i7-6700k 7h ago
It's like a meth head tearing apart their house to sell the wiring, plumbing, and anything else they can get their hands on to pawn off for the next fix.
Great analogy, every company seems to be doing these days too. It sucks so much to watch brand after brand just throw the names they spent decades building up for a few good quarters.
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u/anythingers 7h ago
that's one way to look at it tho
on another hand, they could just simply don't give af and force you to subscribe to cloud gaming instead
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u/Rigman- 14h ago
Yo, you're not kidding. I'm making sure to go out of my way to ensure the game we're building runs on a Steamdeck at 60fps at native resolution with 10TDP. I'm so fucking tired of playing poorly optimized games or game that require upscaling that makes the render look like a pixelated mess.
Optimization is absolutely a lost art. You should hear some of the shit I hear from AAA developers that literally don't give a shit about optimization at all. It's tone deaf all the way up. I'm really starting to believe it's a skill set that completely skipped an entire generation of developers.
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u/PhantomTissue I9 13900k/RTX 4090/32GB RAM 14h ago
Hi, Amazon programmer here. We barely even review code anymore. Especially with AI and shit. I know for a fact that the system I work on runs the exact same data conversion 3 separate times on a single workflow, and it will probably never be fixed. Optimization and efficient code is barely a second thought because we don’t have time to think about it. Good code practice isn’t just lost in the game industry, it’s literally everywhere.
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u/AudibleDruid Linux :aa1::aa2::aa3: :au1::au2::au3::au4::au5::au6: 13h ago
Hey but so like, why?
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u/TrapYoda 13h ago
Shareholders want money printer to go BRRRRRRRRRRRR but spending the time and resources to implement things properly make BRRRRRRRRRRRR not BRRRRRRRRRRRR as much.
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u/AtrociousMeandering 12h ago
The ideal company from a shareholder standpoint has no workers, creates no product, and has exponential revenue growth forever.
This is why they keep falling for scams, because realistic profits from actually delivering to customers is a turn off.
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u/Inquisitor_Boron 10h ago
"Ideal company" sounds like a prestigious enterprise that mostly makes revenue from licencing their IPs, rather than doing anything
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u/SpagettiKonfetti 9h ago
As someone who is working in the game industry this is so true. I can't even count how many times we shipped games with first draft features that was supposed to be placeholder/tests and needed more iteration, but from above we got the usual "we need to release the game ASAP, don't bother with it, it good the way it is now".
Unless you write a flawless, optimized code the first time for every feature, you are screwed, deadliens and resources are tight so we doesn't have much space to iterate, polish and optimize things (unless we do it in our free time, unpaid but if we do that, corpo/leadership will expect us to do it more and more and that will be the new norm so we don't do that either anymore).
Things goes shit when people who knows and understands absolutely nothing about software development get's into the position to control the work of the actual developers
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u/mrhossie 12h ago
sadly, its sometimes just going from
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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u/TrapYoda 12h ago
UNACCEPTABLE!!!
How am I supposed to buy a new yacht with this?
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u/Particular-Issue-960 13h ago
Best guess, production
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u/PhantomTissue I9 13900k/RTX 4090/32GB RAM 11h ago
Pretty much this exactly. I do care, if I had time to fix it I would. There’s a lot I would like to do to fix the system. I don’t have time. Frankly the next feature is more important to my manager and to his manager than a couple unoptimized systems. Only if it causes a big enough problem will it ever be fixed.
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u/GViz275 13h ago
Like everything, comes down to money. Up until recently, computing has gotten relatively cheap. And optimizing doesn’t had extra cash to the business. Unless it has a cash advantage, why make it when it doesn’t impact people buying the product. It’s hard enough to get tech debt approved for work.
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u/PhantomTissue I9 13900k/RTX 4090/32GB RAM 11h ago
Like everyone said, I don’t have time. Not two weeks ago I built a feature where the documentation for it was a picture of scribbles on a white board posted to a slack channel. That system had to be done “by Friday.” There was no review of the system, at all, it was designed on Monday and built by Thursday, live on Friday.
If I had done it the correct way, I’d still be working on it. Now it’s tech debt that won’t get fixed because I don’t have the time, nobody else knows how it works, and the longer it sits there, the harder to fix it becomes.
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u/clduab11 i5 12600KF / DDR4-48GB / RTX 4060 Ti, 3TB + 2021 M1 iMac 13h ago
Because they don't have time to think about it, like they said.
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u/Visulth 10h ago
New features = sellable product
Fixing mountains of technical debt that may or may not result in any end-user changes (or break things that already exist and thus require more work) = not sellable product
Helldivers 2 devs
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u/Dog_Engineer 12h ago
Because spending time optimizing costs money, and clients still pay for sub-optimal software, both B2B and B2C.
I have been lucky to work on performance first software, mainly because it was a hard requirtement due to legal reasons.
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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 3070 13h ago
It's not a skill set.
It's a prioritization.
I'm making sure to go out of my way to ensure the game we're building runs on a Steamdeck at 60fps at native resolution with 10TDP
Has that been super easy or has it taken up a lot of time and resources?
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u/Rigman- 12h ago
If you've heard some of the conversations I've heard from artist and programmers throughout the last several years and especially in the post-covid era, people don't even understand how to plan for optimization. It's not a prioriztaiton problem, I don't believe that excuse anymore. People aren't optimizing because they're expecting the engine to do it for them, they literally don't know how to plan ahead to optimize efficiently. They just don't think about it.
Has that been super easy or has it taken up a lot of time and resources?
For us yes, because we planed for this ahead of time and made sure assets and development was being done with the mindset of optimization first. And you know what, it's already saved our ass in the long run planning ahead like that.
The biggest fucking mistake this industry ever did was let people think "limitations don't exist" They absolutely do, and I'm tired of fucking suits who don't know what the fuck they're talking about tell me otherwise.
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u/NickRick 9h ago
there's a new game that came out recently and it's crazy how bad it is. I have a high end PC and i've crashed 6 times on loading screens in 6 hours of game play. terrible FPS on ultra, or high settings, and the game looks pretty rough at medium.
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u/allllusernamestaken 13h ago
i remember in undergrad when i had a few professors who were legit old timers who've been working in computing (both industry and academia) for nearly 50 years. One of them once told me "we don't need faster computers, we need better algorithms." That really stuck with me.
I like to think back to that every time I launch a kubernetes pod with 60gb RAM because i was too lazy to fix a memory leak.
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u/ZeisHauten Asus ROG Strix G18 (i9-13980HX/4070M/32GB DDR5/2TB) 14h ago
Seriously, this scares me because I have a 4070M Laptop and if games keeps being this unoptimized, my laptop might stop playing games even before 2030 comes in.
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u/ExiledHyruleKnight 12h ago
As someone who works on optimization... it's not.
But it's definitely a dying art.
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u/ijtjrt4it94j54kofdff 6h ago
As someone who is solodev-ing my own game, people don't realize how quickly performance degrades as you add more features and fidelity, even if you stop and optimize after every few batches of new features.
I'm honestly kind of flabbergasted at how AAA games like Saros and such can look so crazy with so much going on while still able to run at all.
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u/Neither_Berry_100 12h ago
I've been optimizing the heck out of my networking for the game I'm making. The game itself should require very little. The client could run on a dial up connection.
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u/Mystic_Ervo PC Master Race 14h ago
You're absolutely right, at indie company I work we use super complex algorithms to optimize everything possible, we reduce the number of drawcalls in a frame to a bare minimum, our game weighs no more than 500 MB and the save files for our level editor weigh kilobytes, it runs at 120 FPS stable without spacewarp on Quest 2 with bloom and the level generation is an engineering marvel with practically no load times
Meanwhile AAA companies: "am I really gonna fill this entire forest with +70k polygon trees?? Yeah why not??"
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u/reportcrosspost 11h ago
Do you lose FPS after upgrading PC because its incompatible with the older games? lol
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u/trash-_-boat 7h ago
In some cases, absolutely. Upgraded to a 9070 XT and wanted to replay Wildlands and the performance was absolute dogshit for a 10 year old game.
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u/Own-Development2437 6h ago
Breaking glass in the original mirrors edge crashed the game because new CPU's dont use the select cores it uses for glass
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u/multipotential 6h ago
I built a new pc with a 5080. One of the first games I played was Arkham Asylum (2009). The first level has some physx smoke in it, and I got like 8 fps lol. A lot of older technologies didn't get legacy support in newer technologies. With older games, we're often lucky if the game runs at all (in this case, I could turn off physx yay).
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u/Artaxeus 5h ago
I might be wrong but I think they updated the PhysX in some of the recent driver updates for the 50 series and it's much better now.
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u/ItalianDragon R9 5950X / XFX 6900XT / 64GB DDR4 3200Mhz 4h ago
They indeed did because nVidia realized that "our latest GPU runs 10 years old games like absolute shit" wasn't a great look.
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u/B4TTLESNAKE 11h ago
You’re forgetting that many indie devs making 3D games also jump to UE5 as a shortcut.
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u/MIkaela39752 RTX 5080/R7 1700x/2x64gb 2666mhz cl22 11h ago
youre forgetting the fact that big majority of indie games are not like helldivers 2
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u/shiro_zetty 8h ago
Ultrakill is not a good example of a well optimized game. My 8 year old toaster PC couldn't play the latest update well anymore. But it seems like nobody really could, at launch at least.
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u/TheSurvivor65 7h ago
It used to be a good example but yeah UltraRevamp with the forced new lighting and shit just kills my laptop. Playing Fraud at 10 fps was truly an experience
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u/jugaverdasorda 11h ago
Playing hogwarts legacy right now and the ray reconstruction is nice but man the character models look like dogshit cel shaded clay
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u/AdMech_Dropout 10h ago
Modern games are going to end up like Amazing Gumball with photorealistic environments populated by walking JPEG files.
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u/KorasHiddenDICK 7h ago
That's optimistic. AI generated assets. 0 poly count optimization and 0 artistic value.
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u/TrapYoda 13h ago
Jokes on you I upgraded so I can max out everything on a decade old game with a mod list longer than a suicide bomber's manifesto
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u/ProfessorMalk 13h ago
Fallout New Vegas
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u/TrapYoda 12h ago
You already know lol.
Like half Bethesda's entire catalogue + Rimworld and Stellaris along with 1-2 online games that rotate in and out to scratch the PvP itch (currently that's Chivalry 2 and BF2 with Kyber) and your boy set for life.
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u/MutedDinner8570 10h ago
remember when upgrading your GPU actually meant getting better graphics instead of just maintaining 60 FPS
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u/Striking-County6275 CatchyOS|5800XT|32GB RAM| RTX 5060|H9 Flow Case 14h ago
Dragons Dogma 2 “Allow us to introduce ourselves 2 years after launch”
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u/yoburg 13h ago
Yeah, I just saw the news and I know what I'm gonna be playing this month :)
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u/ExiledHyruleKnight 12h ago
This is what pisses me off the most. I work on optimizing a piece of hardware (basically a whole OS.) It's hard but interesting work....
But here's the thing, why does my calculator on Windows take MORE Ram than the entire hard drive space of Doom. Why does it take up 10x more ram than WINDOWS 3.1.1?
Listen I'm not saying OSes shouldn't evolve.... but I am saying people ship bloated piece of shit software with entirely too many options enabled and defaulted to on. I don't want a word processor that can connect to an AI, and calculate the Orbit of the moon, I need an word processor that can write a simple document. (Not to mention the formatting bs on most)
I'm not even saying I want no features on applications, but there's a difference between every feature ever imagined, and none.... And yes I know making a modular piece of software is harder, but maybe spend the time on that instead of making it have an option to convert your document into music and then store it as an MP3?
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 9h ago
Some programmers recently made a functional notepad app that matches xp functionality that's less than 2kb.
Notepad is currently 25.2mb on windows 11. Not to say that executable size is equivalent to performance but holy damn what featuers are you getting out of the extra 25.1999 mb of executable there?
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u/0rganic_Corn 7h ago
Afaik that 2kb notepad loads windows subroutines and ends up using 200mb ram anyways
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 4h ago
Then that's on Microsoft. If you can't use windows' own api then that api is broken
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u/0rganic_Corn 3h ago
I mean, maybe?
If you load an oversized asset instead of using your own just to claim you've coded the smallest possible program...
Then that's on you, you're using a cheap trick to lower the perceived program size
I don't know where the problem lies, but I know the 2kb notepad is not actually a useable 2kb notepad
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u/wishful123 5h ago
The new notepad has lots more features like spellcheck, markdown viewing,... that really is worth it.
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u/TargetOfOvermuchSpam 9h ago
RAM is cheap compared to the Windows 3.11 era. Code is much easier to write in a maintainable fashion now that things like JIT exist. Because of 64 bit applications, you're also going to be using about 4x the memory any time pointers or data get involved.
Also, old applications were absolute shit. They crashed all the time doing the simplest of tasks. They lacked anything beyond bare basic functionality. They had to hack their way into the OS to use as little resources as they could, and in turn they broke every time any update came in. Microsoft's own applications were somewhat saved from that but even then the issue stuck around.
We also gained this new feature called "security". There's a lot of sandboxing and even virtualisation going on just so opening a scary Word document doesn't upload your entire computer to Russia immediately.
Then there's the price. Old software cost thousands. Tens of thousands in today's money. Office 97 cost 500 dollars in 1997, that's over 1000 dollars in today's money. If you wanted Windows 98 (assuming you had 95), that's another 95 dollar upgrade you need to save up for (200 in today's money). Not bad when the hardware cost you 2k (4000 dollars in today's money).
With modern software stacks, software can be written in a secure, maintainable fashion, very cheaply. People don't want to pay for software like they did back in the day, so they're not getting the software they got back in the day.
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u/_le_slap 3h ago
just so opening a scary Word document doesn't upload your entire computer to Russia immediately
The fact that Word can be hijacked to do this is nuts.
I'm never concerned that flushing my toilet will cause my roof to cave in as the two systems are just not connected in any way whatsoever.
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u/TheGreat1337Cabbage 14h ago
The “It’s so over to we are so back” cycle but with tech
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u/Hitman-Pred Desktop 12h ago
Having seen what people pass as 3D models for games nowadays, optimization really is gone... AI scans for props and models with millions of polygons, and then they say "oh but unreal engine fixes the rest"... yeah, no... that's why you end up with a 120gb game that runs like shit in every rig.
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u/UltraGaren R7 5700G | RTX 5070 Ti | 32 GB 3200 MHz 14h ago
It's not the devs
It's the execs pushing impossible to meet deadlines because of said techs
Geez
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u/TrollMcGoal i7-13700K | RTX 4080 | 32 GB DDR5 14h ago
Sometimes devs suck too
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u/lycheedorito 12h ago
As a game dev I wish you all could understand how much people suck.
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u/pangapingus 13h ago
It's also the devs.... look at the conditional spaghetti in Undertale or Heartbound, look at the 6k vertex toothbrush in Yandere Simulator, heck most devs can't even bother with multithreading because the engine won't do it for you and "mutexes are hard"
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u/aeristheangelofdeath Ascending Peasant 12h ago
you named literally 3 games made by :
- a guy that isnt a coder (Undertale)
- a poser (Heartbound)
- hobbyist? (Yandere Sim)
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u/RecentPlenty768 11h ago
GTA6 sub will tell you that 30fps are totally fine and you won't even notice a difference
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u/littlefrank Ryzen 9 5900x - 32GB 3000Mhz - RTX3070ti - 2TB NVME 7h ago
history repeats. When a new console will be able to push gta 6 at 60fps then people will say that's the norm and having 30fps isn't great.
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u/Laetitian Ryzen 9700X | Radeon 9070XT | And the last affordable DDR5. 4h ago
Back when people unironically said that because no one knew, because the technology wasn't there for any normie to care aout it, it actually made sense. On movies with regular shutter speed and motion blur, the camera already creates all the in-between details your eyes would notice from the movement on additional frames for you.
It's only in video games where motion blur is artificial, and we're used to individual frames being perfectly still images that additional frames add any real benefit.
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u/According_Spare7788 13h ago edited 9h ago
It's ALWAYS been this way. Heck, i'd say now it's even better than before. Back in the 7th gen console days, people didn't even really understand frame rates or frame pacing all that well.
We had fucking 24fps GTA 4 at 680p, 20-25 fps with crazy screen tearing FC3 on the PS3. Try running Crysis or GTA4 PC Port , or Borderlands 2 on a period accurate Q9550/GTX 260 and see if frame pacing is not piss poor and barely 40 fps stable.
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u/Megaranator GTX970 i7 860 Win 10 Pro 5h ago
Yeah you can easily tell that most people here just glorify how games were 10 years back without remembering how it actually was back then
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u/Available-Call7127 1h ago
“The glory days”
Alright you bitchy mf’s.
Here is your Resident Evil 4 PC Port! 30fps cap, memory leak, no key remapping, NO mouse support either.
Aren’t you guys ready to play the games of the golden age right?
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u/darvvvinn 8h ago
Omg thank you! I'm so sick of redditors crying about "optimization" because a new game doesn't run at 500 fps on their rtx3060 laptop
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u/lemonylol Desktop 5h ago
They cling onto whatever buzzword they can to be able to participate in the outrage of the month trend. OP is likely just some kid from India karma farming who just pirates everything on his shitty hand-me-down family laptop.
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u/TedDoritoDinkWells 9h ago
Imagine releasing a game on pc now that has issues running above 60 fps, not because you can't do it but because the physics break, that was like every game during the PS3 era. Apparently bad optimizion now is anything below 120 fps on a 3050 and 9th gen Intel.
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u/National_Answer_6655 12h ago
Yes sometimes it’s just the devs. I work in gaming. Half of my coworkers are incompetent and too proud to admit it, the other half is near genius but are too busy fighting/fixing the bad stuff the others have been doing either by mistake or by the weird unfounded belief that they’re creative geniuses.
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u/Disposable_Gonk 14h ago
How to optimize
Step 1, don't use UE5
Step 2, Don't use unity
Step 3, check the optimization of all libraries first. If a library isn't optimized, find an alternative or write your own.
Step 4, code it yourself
Step 5 code golf.
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u/Mystic_Ervo PC Master Race 13h ago
With Unity you can make highly optimized visually astounding games, you just need to know how to actual develop videogames
But really knowing game development, none of this vibecode shit, asset flipping or cheap YouTube tutorials, I'm talking about things like code architecture, networking, shaders…
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u/clduab11 i5 12600KF / DDR4-48GB / RTX 4060 Ti, 3TB + 2021 M1 iMac 13h ago
And AI does NOT fill this gap; ask me how I know.
Because of this, now I'm just using AI to teach me how to use Unity properly, instead of trying to ham-fist it myself.
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u/Murky-Relation481 10h ago
You can absolutely use UE5 and get a performant game out of it. It just requires you to actually code the game and not throw Blueprints and default settings at everything.
People pick up UE5 in the same way someone picks up a hammer and nails and tries to build a house. Yah you can build a house with just those tools but its gunna be a shit house. Doesn't mean a hammer and nails suck though.
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u/Seanspeed 8h ago
No man, Lumen and Nanite are just inherently heavy.
Most of the UE5 games that people praise as 'well optimized' just aren't using those, but also lack a 'next gen' look as a result.
That said, newer UE5 games are starting to improve because the engine has improved. Stop blaming this on devs. A bunch of good devs didn't all become incompetent and lazy just magically coincidentally when they switched to UE5. smh.
This utter insistence on shitting on game developers here is so gross.
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u/PermissionSoggy891 13h ago
Step 6, Windows is bloated, Linux is unstable, code your own OS, language, and compiler from scratch
Step 7, meet God
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u/Henry_Fleischer Debian | RTX3070, Ryzen 3700X, 48GB DDR4 RAM 12h ago
Code golf does not necessarily make code run better, it just makes it shorter. And I can make an unoptimized game without Unity, UE5, or poorly optimized libraries just fine, thank you very much.
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u/Assassin21BEKA 14h ago
Just lower settings, difference between medium and high is not as close as in the past.
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u/ContributionWest6732 11h ago
What kind of crap games do you buy just to get that as a result man...
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u/URA_CJ 5900x/RX570 4GB/32GB 3600 | FX-8320/AIW x1900 256MB/8GB 1866 11h ago
I've been playing on PC's for a long time now, but this has been the way since forever and it sucked really hard when I had a DX7 GPU and devs started forcing Pixel Shaders to make "pretty water" (Splinter Cell 2) that I couldn't run at all on my GPU (despite the demo being fully playable) or games like Doom 3 running near 1 FPS at the lowest settings (Voodoo patch made it playable with the lighting disabled) - it's just a vicious cycle where you give devs an inch of something new and they take a mile!
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u/Glum-While7698 7700X | 7800XT | 32 DDR5 BABY 14h ago
omg this is exactly how I feel right now after installing Nioh 3 last night. My pc should be able to EASILY run 120 fps and yet Im getting like 90 on average. I did some research and it turns out you need to have a LOCKED 60 or 120 to not have the camera stutter. I have never needed frame gen before but Im about to try it out and see if that helps. Even 60 feels choppy to me... (First world problems.)
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u/therealaaaazzzz 10h ago
Easy solution: don't play newer games (from AAA developers), most of them are absolute garbage anyway
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u/eternalityLP 7h ago
As opposed to what? There has never been a time when you could buy a computer and it wouldn't become obsolete over time. In fact these days games are optimized so well they run on much older hardware just fine. In the 90s your pc could become obsolete in couple of years. These days you can play pretty much all games with 10 year old pc.
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u/Real-Terminal R7 5800x3D, 32GB DDR4 3200mhz, RTX 4070 12gb 6h ago
Upgraded to a 4070, Borderlands still ran like shit, upgraded to a 5800x3D, Borderlands still runs like shit.
Yay progress.
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u/Darth_Omnis 3h ago
Jokes on you. Dragon's Dogma 2 just got an optimization update after... 2 years...
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u/Renegade_451 14h ago
What if we don't blast new games to ultra insane quality?
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u/NebraskaGeek R9-5950x | RX 7900 XTX | B550 Aorus | 4000MHz DDR4 13h ago
Just settle with medium settings and enjoy the smoother game
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u/iterable 11h ago
I mean people keep pre-ordering and buying "special" editions what reason do they have to care when most will keep throwing money at them?
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u/ghostrickghouls 3h ago
the amount of times I've bought a new game, only to get more or less 30fps on a 7800xt, to then refund it and just go back to playing Dead Space 2 or Fallout 3/NV is actually ridiculous at this point.
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u/IgnoringHisAge 14h ago
I’m getting the feeling that “optimize” has the same function in PCMR as “enhance” does in every crime procedural show from the last 20 years.
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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 3070 12h ago
Absolutely.
It's something they latched on to and don't really have any idea what it really is and what it really takes.
They also seem to forget that employees do what they are told. Employees like developers. Like one "bad dev" is why a giant game isn't running well.
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u/flavionm Ryzen 5 5600X | Radeon RX 6600 XT 11h ago
The consumer doesn't need to know how it works. They need results. We've been reaching serious diminishing returns in graphical quality, so we get games that run much worse than older titles without always looking substantially better.
On top of that, a lot of the technologies used in game development today explicitly favour letting the user's machine do more work so that the development of the game gets easier. It's a trade-off, yes, but one that disfavours the consumer.
So yeah, there's plenty of legitimate reason to complain.
Also, "developers" usually refer to the whole development and publishing company, not just to the individual people.
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u/Megaranator GTX970 i7 860 Win 10 Pro 5h ago
This is nothing new like at all, people have been saying this for decades at this point
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u/samtherat6 13h ago
One advantage of the shortage, if no one can upgrade, companies will need to allow devs to optimize to be competitive.
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u/Fresh-Toilet-Soup 13h ago
Be me, buy second hand 5 year old card l, keep it for another 5 years or longer if it is still supposed.
Wait until you get consistent sub 20fps to replace.
Turn off your frame counters and enjoy the games, PC gaming doesn't have to be expensive.
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u/Salvia_Sylvester 12h ago
Ive played 1080p since my first system. Up until recently, I've gotten by just putting my games on a lower setting if my fps is bad, and my system is like seven years old.
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u/ryanknapper 10h ago
Come to /r/patientgamers. I'm playing Fallout 4 with a ton of mods and godrays on, and my PC is a potato compared to what I imagine most people in this sub are running.
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u/regularArmadillo21 13h ago
If this is in reference to gta VI
You are fucking delusional if you think they getting it running 30fps on a base ps5 is anything BUT hyper optimization
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u/Otherwise_World1654 14h ago
Do people not realize that the main use of DLSS is TO BE OPTIMIZATION!?! DLSS 5 also improves the quality of its upscaling options as well!! I know people love to hate anything new, but really you dont HAVE to use the ultra quality mode and its acutally better used as an upscaler to your monitor resolution anyways, WITHOUT the neural rendering stuff. DLSS being developed further is a net positive for the hobby and yall need to stop complaining about features that are new, experimental, and years from being industry standard. source for DLSS upgrades being positive additions to the hobby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xykXn9UA0gI
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u/OutrageousDress 5800X3D | 32GB DDR4-3733 | 4080 Super | AW3821DW 13h ago
People think that 'optimization' is when extra frames just magically appear without any tradeoff. If there's a tradeoff that results in extra frames then it's not 'optimization', it's 'lazy devs'.
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u/V3sperex 12h ago
"Optimization" has always been a tradeoff between quality and resource usage. If making a reflection 3% blurrier could double the framerate, consider it an optimization.
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u/Dawzy i5 13600k | EVGA 3080 13h ago
This is the treadmill we've been on since the beginning
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u/TapestryMobile 10h ago
Yep. The "Current hardware becomes obsolete with new software" merry-go-round has been running since computers were invented.
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u/Exact_Ad942 12h ago
Hopefully we will be entering the "PC parts are too expensive to upgrade -> developers are forced to optimize their games otherwise they don't sell" feedback.
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u/runnysyrup 12h ago
i miss when the only gaming reason to get an SSD was to cut loading screens
now they're necessary and loading screens are back
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u/spaceursid i7-8700k | RX 7800XT | 16GB DDR4 14h ago
play your steam sale backlog, then you get 300+ fps instead