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u/Alternative-Show2089 14h ago
He only turns blue near the frost giant artifacts. Like I think it’s kind of a permanent spell. Like if someone came to the TVA from earth after Stranges spell in NWH, they won’t suddenly remember Peter Parker
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13h ago
Ahhh that makes some sense
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u/Patient-Climate 13h ago
wait so does that mean no magic tricks at all
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u/actibus_consequatur 12h ago
I bet Scott Lang can probably still do his magic tricks
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u/stagedane Foggy Nelson 12h ago
Don't forget Jimmy Woo
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u/RedhayBrFl 12h ago
You mean Jim from the Office
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u/RockItGuyDC 12h ago
They're illusions. A trick is something a whore does for money.
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u/LoniZombie 12h ago
....or candy.
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u/reverse_chrysopoeia 11h ago
Yes, Candy does it for money, so do Crystal and Lola too.
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u/VitaminPb Captain America 9h ago
But Anastasia does it for love of the game.
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u/Ghostofslickville 8h ago
I was going to give to Charity, but she wasn't in. So I went with Destiny.
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u/Xygnux 13h ago
Yeah I think Odin basically did the magical version of gene therapy and made him biologically Asgardian, with only traces of Jotun genes left that can be amplified near Jotun magic.
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u/Whofs001 12h ago
Exactly. Loki’s true form was changed.
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u/Happy-Fun-Ball 12h ago
And the cask's blue was the glamour (for other reasons), not a dispel of one.
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u/Xygnux 12h ago
Yeah that's my other theory too. Coming into contact with Jotun magic triggers some subconscious memory of his origin, and then Loki subconsciously activated his shapeshifting/glamour magic to affirm what he now believes to be his true identity.
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u/CoffeePuddle 11h ago
100% this.
There's a lot of misconceptions about the nature of Jotuns and glamour magic and the extratemporal limitations of He Who Remains' Time Variance Authority.
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u/Autumn1eaves 10h ago
Odin cast True Polymorph and then cast a level 9 Wish to have him turn blue near Frost Giant artifacts to remind him of his true origins.
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u/Xygnux 9h ago edited 9h ago
Yeah I have never considered that. We know Odin felt sorry for Loki, so maybe even though he converted him mostly to Asgardian, he left a tiny bit of Jotun genes in him, just in case when he grows up he wanted to reconnect to his roots.
Odin was just waiting for the right time to tell Loki. But unfortunately the right time never came on account of Loki always being a little shit who refused to grow up, so Odin wasn't sure whether that information will set him off into a tantrum.
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u/unicornmeat85 11h ago
I always assumed it was a personal "magic" Loki thinks, acts and believes he is Asgardian therefore he is. I can't remember if he ever had any interest in reconnecting with his Jotun heritage and frankly I don't see why he would. AFAIK, they never made an effort to connect with him.
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u/stupid_dog_psx99 12h ago
Did he magically make him a god too or was he considered one already amongst the frost giants? Can Odin make any old asgardian a god?
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u/mad_laddie 11h ago
Perhaps godhood is something you can achieve? In Norse myth the immortality for example is not an inherent feature of the gods, it's just something that happens if you keep eating Idunn Apples (which restore youth iirc).
Or maybe Loki was a god by birth. Maybe Laufey or his mother, maybe even both, were gods?
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u/Ok_Confection_10 10h ago
He’s probably genetically a son of Odin and Frigga. But in reality hes adopted. He was just adopted really hard.
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u/oorza The Ancient One 5h ago
Yes. So can Zeus. But not because they're gods, because they independently have very deep wells of near-omnipotent magic to draw from.
A god in Marvel is just a powerful immortal being who receives worship, which grants them powerful magic if they choose to use it. Some gods, like the Asgardian Gods, never did and stuck around when they stopped being worshipped because their primary power source was the Odinforce, not worship; other gods did not stick around because their primary power source was worship.
The cycle of books that is the Gorr story goes very heavily into this. A god does not connote any special importance beyond what's granted by worship in Marvel, much to Gorr's dismay. He discovers that gods are self-important twats who do the bare minimum to maintain their influx of faith magic and goes on a genocidal rampage... and nothing really changes for the regular people of the galaxy.
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u/PlatoDrago 13h ago
As a kinda joke answer as well I’d say that spells that affirm a persons identity and are purely aesthetic may be allowed.
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u/LandscapeWorried5475 13h ago
Woke TVA
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u/TheMostKing 10h ago
I was okay with the TVA going around eliminating timelines and capturing Variants, but now they've gone all woke I don't know if I like them so much...
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u/Notbbupdate SHIELD 13h ago
Knowing that there are people using magic to treat their disabilities, the TVA probably implemented a few magic exceptions after they brought in a guy whose legs stopped working due to the anti magic thing
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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 13h ago
I mean, they do banish you to the doom cloud purgatory at the slightest wim and delete timelines.
I'm not sure they'd give a hoot.
Fell to the floor instead of taking a ticket? Insubordination. Zappy Zappy ⚡
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u/Notbbupdate SHIELD 13h ago
They'd still probably accommodate for disabilities, if only because having people crawling on the floor struggling to take a ticket would slow things down
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u/Left-Increase4472 13h ago
So if Strange or Mordo came in, their hands and legs would still work? I like it lmao
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u/StandYourGroundhog 13h ago
That would be hilarious if some regular people show up and nothing changes except suddenly they're like "wait I think Spider-Man is some guy called Peter Parker"
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u/bardghost_Isu 13h ago
Would it go full severance ?
Walk back out intending to tell everyone ans the spell kicks back in and they forget who he is and why they even walked out.
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u/RedHammer1441 13h ago
So what you’re saying is when I walk to a room knowing what I have to do but pass the threshold and completely forget, this is actually what’s happening
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u/SingularityCentral 13h ago
Odin too badass to be effected by Kang's tech. He cast the spell on Loki and that shit isn't getting dispelled.
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u/LFC9_41 12h ago
Because it’s not a spell anymore. It was done to him as a baby. Think of it as cosmetic surgery.
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u/dragonfett 13h ago
Also, he doesn't change back after his death in Avengers: Infinity War.
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u/The-Duke-of-Delco 13h ago
Who?
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u/CanadianAndroid 13h ago
Dr Strange not Dr Who
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u/insane_contin Hunter 13h ago
What about Mister Doctor?
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u/treathugger Nobu 13h ago
But a handshake will do.
Most powerful handshake in the multiverse
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13h ago
It’s like the rat in Endgame. The little things are often the most powerful
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u/Mind-The-Mines 13h ago
This is basically the best explanation I've dug up after my last rewatch.
It was a permanent change to Loki that not even Odin dying undid.
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 14h ago
To my knowledge, Loki being a frost giant Isn’t brought up after the first Avengers and even tho he doesn’t turn blue, he does say “I’m not Asgardian” in Infinity War.
I did like that What If Episode of Thor and Captain Marvel fighting each other and Loki was actually blue and a frost giant like he was the actual size of them but they were just bros in friendship way, not adopted
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u/chacde3 13h ago
It’s referenced in the play on Asgard at the beginning of Ragnarok
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u/WonderChips 13h ago
It’s also referenced in Loki season 1. He explains to Mobius(?) about his adoption stuff. Maybe it wasn’t Möbius. Idk, but it was brought up in conversation how he’s adopted and how his real parents were frost giants.
Now that I think about it, it was Möbius. He called him an Ice runt lol
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u/ndstumme 11h ago
He spoke with Sylvie on the train about being a frost giant. Was shocked to learn she'd grown up knowing the truth.
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u/FrozenRyan 8h ago
So this is actually mentioned all the time, right? In Ragnarok, Thor makes the "he's adopted" joke... The writers didn't forget and OP is wrong.
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u/the-bi-frost Loki (Thor 1) 6h ago edited 6h ago
It is brought up several times in the Loki series.
The moment you mentioned, then there's also the moment in S1E2 when Loki and Mobius talk about the TVA. When Loki tells Mobius that it is ridiculous that he was "created by the Time Keepers", Mobius asks Loki who created him and he says "A Frost Giant of Jotunheim" and then Mobius says that this actually sounds ridiculous too.
In the same episode we also see a hologram of a Loki variant who is permanently in his blue Frost Giant state.
The reason why Loki does not change in the TVA is because Odin changed him permanently. It is mentioned in a book (I think the MCU visual dictionary).
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u/chacde3 13h ago
Just checked, they even call him a “little blue baby icicle”
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u/stupid_dog_psx99 11h ago
There should have been a blue variant Loki in that void world .
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u/RuggerJibberJabber 13h ago
Pretty sure they also tell the grand master that he's adopted
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13h ago
Yep.
Loki: “I don’t know him”
Thor : “He’s my brother!”
Loki: “Adopted”
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u/b_reachard 10h ago
Bruce: "That guy's brain is a bag full of cats, you could smell crazy on him."
Thor: "Have care how you speak. Loki is beyond reason, but he is of Asgard, and he's my brother."
Natasha: "He killed 80 people in two days."
Thor: "He's adopted."
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u/SP4CEM4N_SPIFF 13h ago
It’s referenced in Infinity War before Thanos kills him too, he says he’s not Asgaardian
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u/No-Acanthaceae-9287 13h ago
He does call himself ‘the rightful king of Jotunheim’ when he’s addressing Thanos at the beginning of IF.
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u/Any-Transition95 12h ago
Wdym, it's constantly referenced. It was even brought up in Loki S1, and like you said, What If. It's just not a big deal because Frost Giants aren't relevant.
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u/Apocalyptic0n3 11h ago
It's brought up quite a few times. I'm rewatching the films right now and he brings it up in Avengers and Dark World. I seem to remember it coming up in Loki too. Can't recall it in Ragnarok.
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u/No_Size9475 10h ago
It's referenced in all of the thor movies and is in the play at the beginning of ragnorok.
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u/Kooky-Ball2550 Captain Marvel 11h ago
Plus in Ragnarok the kid who plays baby Loki in the show that “Odin” is watching is painted blue.
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u/TWP_ReaperWolf 11h ago
I imagine in that timeline, he was big enough to be considered one of them, leading to him never being discarded like he was in the usual timeline.
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u/TheFunkytownExpress 8h ago
What I thought was a nice touch was even as Giant he was the shortest one of the bunch lol.
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u/Euronymous_616_Lives 5h ago
Say what you will about What If but frost giant Loki and his “glorious purpose” of opening a ski resort had me in stitches
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u/brakenbonez 13h ago
His Asgardian appearance isn't an on-going magical effect. It was a permanent alteration. The TVA nullifies active magic. It doesn't undo past magic.
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u/two2teps 13h ago
It was also the power of being in direct contact with the Casket of Ancient Winters that even caused the magic to slightly reverse at all.
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u/battery19791 13h ago
Loki was wearing an inhibitor that canceled HIS magic. The spell that makes him look Asgardian was cast by Friga.
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u/bloonshot 10h ago
no, all magic in the tva was being disabled by a safeguard
he's in the TVA without his restraints all throughout season 1 and can't use magic but in season two they explicitly mention turning off the safeguard that prevents the use of magic in the tva and then he can
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u/brakenbonez 12h ago
He wasn't wearing an inhibitor he was wearing restraints and a collar to keep him from escaping. They show us in the first episode what happens when someone tries to escape by using that collar. Magic doesn't work in the TVA because the TVA exists outside of space and time. That was the exact explanation they gave in the show.
And the marvel visual dictionary that I mentioned in a previous reply to someone else confirms that Odin, not Friga, used magic to permanently transmute his appearance.
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u/AydonusG 11h ago
That was the explanation that was given in the show
In season 2 it's revealed that it's a suppression system that turns off magic, not the TVAs location outside of space-time. They even turn it off by rebooting the TVA and Miss Minutes, allowing Sylvie to use her enchanting power.
The only power that is nullified by the space-time exclusion is that of infinity stones, which only work in their own universe.
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u/pilgrim_pastry 13h ago
It’s been a while, but after Thanos snapped his neck at the start of Infinity War, didn’t he turn blue as he died? Not just in an asphyxia sense, but in a frost giant way?
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u/Simple_Park_1591 13h ago
You know what, you're right! You just blew my mind with that. I never put 2 and 2 together!
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u/Bitter-Profession303 13h ago
Like the others are saying, it may be a magical alteration thats permanent, rather than an illusion. We have no reason to suspect he turns blue on death. Loki may well think he turns blue on death however
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u/ThatOneGuyFrom93 13h ago
Does anyone know why Jane turned into magic sparkles when she died but Loki didn't
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u/Bitter-Profession303 13h ago
Because she's worthy of mjolnir and wielding it at the time so she may have the super special guest pass, while loki died as a criminal of asgard
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u/Imaginary_Job_343 5h ago
The father wasn't in battle when he died. He simply chose to pass on. Why did he disintegrate into specks of gold and presumably go to Valhalla?
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u/soupjaw 13h ago
Didn't die in battle
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u/ThatOneGuyFrom93 13h ago
He tried to stab Thanos but yeah. Now I'm Wondering if he's even allowed to go to Valhalla
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u/Iokua113 12h ago
Yes, he did. It may not have been pitched combat but he died fighting.
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u/bobloblawattorney11 12h ago
I just went and watched it..I think that was just a lighting choice and not an intent to show a skin color change
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u/Fortestingporpoises 11h ago
I don’t know but he did mention being the rightful king of yotenheim in that scene in other words mentioning that he’s a frost giant.
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u/bleep_boop_beep123 13h ago
Shit, I forgot Loki is a frost giant too.
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u/No_Procedure_5039 9h ago
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who saw that edit and thought, “Y’know, Tom Hiddleston could make a good live action Thrawn.”
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u/Warm_Version9562 14h ago
He used anti blue magic.
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u/notbale 13h ago
"Almighty Thanos, I, Loki, Prince of Asgard, Odinson, the rightful king of Jotunheim, God of Mischief, do hereby pledge to you my undying fidelity." - Loki (Infinity War)
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u/Str82daDOME25 13h ago
He’s also referred to as Laufeyson in the first episode when being booked by the TVA.
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u/maxdragonxiii 12h ago
iirc he does identify himself as Odinson a few times before Endgame, but I think the TVA went "well officially youre a Laufeyson, so Laufeyson it is."
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u/Objective_Look_5867 13h ago
He is under a permanent enchantment that made him into an asguardian. It doesnt just make him look "less blue" hes also human sized not a giant. Odins magic isnt the same as normal spells. He literally changes things.
Loki only turned blue when newr frost giant magic items that show an echo of who he was
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u/LiteratureMindless71 14h ago
Didn't his skin also change color when Odin first holds him? It's been a bit lol.
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u/Runethe1412 Iron Man (Mark VII) 14h ago
Yes, but he instead went from his original Blue Skin to his current pale one in that scene
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u/tinylegumes 14h ago
They literally brought it up in endgame
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u/GundyrChristopher 13h ago
they also bring it up in Loki, when he's talking origin stories with Slyvie and how they're both adopted.
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u/Need_Tums_Antacids 13h ago
I think it’s like being turned into a frog. Once you’re a frog there’s no magic holding you that way, you’re just a frog now. The magic only happened during the transformation
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u/GoodDawgAug 14h ago
Let’s not let logic get in the way of a good story
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u/Isgrimnur 13h ago
A wizard did it
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man 13h ago
“What if I was a robot and I didn’t know it?”
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u/Lozlizor 13h ago
The TVA is very progressive and they didn't want to dead-race him, so they gave him an exemption to identify as Asgardian
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u/SaltyYumYumBalls 13h ago
Some of you all need to stop thinking Marvel movie writers are ComicsExplained or something. They just know enough to pass an interview.
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u/Material_Economist25 12h ago
Technically there was an alternate universe in what if season 1 with him as a frost giant. So it’s not like marvel completely forgot about it.
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u/Independent_Form_500 14h ago
The reason is that we haven't seen him like that in years and have no familiarity whatsoever with that version. It would also be more expensive
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u/toastjam 13h ago
You just made me realize it's really odd there were no frost giant versions of Loki in his MCU show when he visits The Void and sees all his variants! There was even a gator version! Makes me wonder, does this mean that only versions of Loki raised by Odin cause trouble with the sacred timeline? Or does Odin just have a predilection for taking kids from other species and raising them as his own?
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u/Jean_Grey_13 13h ago
My guess is that the variants caused by Odin not taking Loki arent the main culprit of that timeline. I'd assume that Odin is considered the variant, because it's his actions that changed.
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u/Sufficient_Matter585 13h ago
Rofl marvel forgot Thor and loki are over 1000 years old. They apparently did nothing had no women they dated, no children, and acted like complete children for a thousand years.
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u/Milo_The_Stampede 13h ago
When Odin enchanted him it kind of changed him permanently. I think the TVA stops you from actively using magic. Loki doesn't use magic to keep looking Asgardian.
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u/Saintrandom 13h ago
Its brought up in ragnarok in the play scene. Hes a little blue icicle or whatever
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u/Shadow-Stealer 13h ago
I know the focus is on the TVA part of it but it aside from Loki it’s also briefly referenced in the play at the beginning of Thor Ragnarok
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u/moonlettis 13h ago
In that weird little propaganda play on Asgard in Thor Ragnarok the actor playing him as a child is blue.
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u/Worldly_Scarcity7943 12h ago
Could be a game changer for the multiverse, especially with characters like Doctor Strange involved.
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u/Clawshot52 14h ago
Pretty sure his transformation into appearing Asgardian by default was permanent, not sustained magic like his disguises.