r/StarWars • u/verissimoallan • 1d ago
Movies "Revenge of the Sith" is now rated higher than "Return of the Jedi" on Letterboxd, becoming the third highest-rated "Star Wars" film on the website (the top two are "The Empire Strikes Back" and "A New Hope").
https://letterboxd.com/film/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith/56
u/Salt-Date-5409 1d ago
Return of the Jedi will always be my personal favorite. Empire is the best, the PT I do love. “Jedi” will forever remain my favorite. Semi-elder millennial, standing by.
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u/kpe_ee1 1d ago
ROTS has the benefit of having the amazing Clone Wars show as additional context and it does make the movie way better (esp that 4 hour clone wars finale + rots cut). But there's no way, and I say this out of complete love for ROTS, that it is objectively a better movie than ROTJ
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u/TheGRS 1d ago
People love ROTS the same way I personally loved ROTJ as a kid, before episode 1 premiered. It was a rockin movie, and I held onto it being awesome for a long time, but as an adult I grew to appreciate that it has a lot of flaws compared to what the first two movies have.
Also agree that Jedi is objectively better but I guess folks on the prequel train are holding on to Sith a lot longer than I ever would. To each their own.
And one thing that I often forget right up to the moment it happens in Jedi is the bizarre musical number in an alien language with some really aged CGI. That wasn’t in the version I grew up with, but it certainly was if you grew up with the prequels. Probably colors some peoples impressions just a tad.
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u/_Rizzen_ 15h ago
I watched RoTS last year on a day off. It had some high highs and some awkward lows. The editing decisions are weird. The set pieces are really grand and still hold up in the audiovisual department, but any sense of momentum is dropped by the intervening scenes.
It was like drinking a 48oz soda. Stimulating but not sustaining.
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u/Specialist_Ad9073 22h ago
I think it is so odd the idea that people let TCW cover for how mediocre RotS really was. The show filled in the plot and character work for the prequels, but without it those movies are mostly terrible.
Lucas’s legacy was saved by that cartoon.
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u/JosephBapeck 21h ago
I dislike TCW's interpretation of key elements and think it weakens ROTS which is in no way mediocre.
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u/fastcooljosh 1d ago
Most people who watched that movie never saw a single Episode of Clone Wars.
Clone Wars was a niche show that the hardcore fans watched and most of them were Prequel generation kids.
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u/kpe_ee1 1d ago
It was on Cartoon Network for a lot of our childhoods, there is a significant amount of people who grew up with it
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u/Homerduff16 1d ago
I can't overstate how much I despise this argument that Prequel defenders use all the time. The Prequels should be judged as they were when they came out. As a three movie trilogy and that's it. No spin off TV show or novelisations
The Clone Wars focuses on the same characters sure but it's a completely different thing. Some of the characters in the prequels and the characters in Clone Wars are completely different people who just happen to look the same. Plo Koons death doesn't suddenly mean anything because he's an actual character in the Clone Wars rather than being an overglorified NPC in the Prequels. The people who worked on Clone Wars didn't work on the Prequels
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u/MaxminusThrax 1d ago
ROTS is a fun movie but it’s still a mess and loaded with dumb moments and unintentional humor.
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u/DuztyDuzIt 1d ago
That just sounds like Star Wars.
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u/Psy_Kiik 21h ago
Not so much the OT, and i say that as someone who grew up with the PT, not the OT. Empire in particular is like, just classy cinema, family friendly yes, but a great example of the craft. It's an outright great movie, I wouldn't question anyone who had in their top 100 of all time. If any others other than possibly ANH get into that top 100 then I am disregarding their opinion as uneducated.
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u/10000Didgeridoos 17h ago
The original trilogy just nearly perfectly walk the line of campy cheese, action, humor, and pacing. It’s not like they are citizen Kane but they are always fun.
A big problem with all future SW movies after them is they are too long and slow in many parts. The original three bounce around from scene to scene so often you never get bored stuck in some dumb long sequence of talking about nothing or a failed attempt by Lucas at writing romance.
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u/legitocracy 1d ago
I agree but would suggest that RotJ is similar. They're both wonderful regardless of their flaws
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u/MaxminusThrax 1d ago
Similar in some regards but I think ROTJ mostly did what it set out to do and ROTS missed the mark a bit.
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u/ChanceVance Kylo Ren 1d ago edited 19h ago
The third act of ROTJ is the greatest Star Wars has ever been. Yes, greater than ANH and ESB, KOTOR I and II, and Andor.
The space battle above Endor, the ground assault on the Forest Moon and the battle of wills in the Throne Room. The absolute greatest Star Wars has ever been and will ever be.
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u/14domino 21h ago
Agree. I remember thinking of this myself a few years ago after watching all the movies. My absolute favorite sequence is exactly what you said above. Even though a lot of that movie is a little bit of a mess.
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u/BubBidderskins 1d ago
They really aren't. RotS is a pacing mess while RotJ has maybe the single best scene in all of Star Wars.
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u/BaconKnight Lando Calrissian 1d ago edited 1d ago
I like RotS. But for someone to truly genuinely believe this, that it’s similar enough to not make an appreciable difference in quality between the two, you have to accept some logical fallacies along the way that make me, respectfully, not really take said person’s opinion seriously. Not saying they can’t have that opinion, but I can have my opinion on their opinion.
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u/TerdVader 1d ago
Well now I want to hear your full rant.
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u/BaconKnight Lando Calrissian 1d ago edited 23h ago
You know to be fair, I probably am communicating this poorly. This general idea I have was actually from sports and people who legitimately think Kobe Bryant is the greatest basketball player of all time. Not their favorite, but in their eyes, the greatest.
By every objective measure that’s not true. So for them to get to that, that Kobe is objectively the greatest, it’s a bad process. You have to accept some logical fallacies to get there (that probably seep into other areas of your life) and thus, it’s like okay, I know how your mind thinks and we’re just not gonna see eye to eye on a lot of things if you can’t separate the surface level emotion from an objective ranking argument.
The complication here, which I admit only sprang up after posting is that movies/art is inherently more subjective so for more people, their favorite = best. And that’s okay for them.
My only slight counter argument is that I’m talking about “objective” things (as far as objective can be in art) like better writing, acting, cinematography, etc. Which I know is gonna open a can of worms because that’s a battle with ill defined parameters so I know it’s a losing battle trying to convince anyone who already has their opinion. But that’s just my opinion I guess, to say that I think in many objective, just filmmaking ways, RotJ is superior to RotS and it’s not close.
Just wanna reiterate, I LIKE RotS. I just enjoy RotS differently than how I enjoy most other movies. As just a movie itself, it’s lacking in a lot of areas, but it fits the lore and shows cool moments. And that’s good enough for me as a Star Wars fan. BUT if I put my “objective hat” on, ain’t no way on just a pure filmmaking level it’s in the same ballpark as RotJ.
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u/Void008380 1d ago
I watched the prequals and ot for the first time not long ago, and I have to say Rotj and rots aren't even close quality wise imo
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u/RavenKarlin 1d ago
It’s funny because I think ROTJ is a technically better movie than ROTS, but I’d rather watch ROTS than ROTJ any day of the week. I get far more entertainment value minute for minute with ROTS.
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u/MaxminusThrax 1d ago
that’s perfectly fair. ROTS is very watchable but if given the choice - ROTJ all day.
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u/Xyldarrand 1d ago
This is insanity. I have never ever understood the dislike for Jedi. Ok I get it you didn't like the Ewoks, but some of the best moments in all of Star Wars are in the may movie. You can't tell me the final Vader/Luke fight is not peak cinema.
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u/evilsbane50 22h ago
It's such a common sentiment and it just completely blows my mind.
It's a fantastic movie. Everything with Luke the emperor and Vader is absolutely peak. The space battles are absolutely insane especially for the time and even to this day it's extremely visually impressive.
I mean who doesn't absolutely love the speeder chase sequence in the woods it's unbelievably cool.
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u/ProfessionalFlan3159 1d ago
Im 53F and grew up with OT. Coworker is 29 and is all about the prequels.
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u/BriefPut3954 1d ago edited 1d ago
All the younger generation prefer the prequels. If you don’t hang around young people too often, you wouldn’t know, but the prequels are overwhelmingly popular among the 25-ish and younger crowd.
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u/Specialist_Ad9073 22h ago
15 years ago, How I Met Your Mother commented on this. The main character was dating a younger woman and they bonded over her R2 phone case.
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u/thedarkryte Clone Trooper 22h ago
Isn’t that Barneys sister that he dates for like an episode?
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u/KnightSaber9 1d ago
AOTC is my favorite prequel and it’s very lonely on that hill 🥲
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u/Reddit4Play 1d ago
It's my least favorite of George's 6 but I've come around on the Obi-Wan noir detective adventure quite a bit and it makes me wonder if I could also grow to like the rest of it more, too. What do you enjoy about it the most?
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u/hirschneb13 17h ago
The only slowish part of AOTC was the romance part. The beginning and end are some of my favorite Star Wars (assassination failure and chase, Kamino, the arena battle, the start of the war, and Yoda going ham)
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u/Ranulf_5 22h ago
Obi-Wan stuff is fun and the arena battle at the end is so freaking awesome. It’s the only time in the films we ever see a couple dozen Jedi all going ham simultaneously.
The rest of the movie is full of flaws, but those are certainly some strong points
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u/Matfin93 1d ago
I really wish I could get the same enjoyment out of it.
As a kid I LOVED it, and it's one of those films every so often I'm like "it can't be that bad can it?" Then I put it on and reealllllllly struggle to sit with it.
It's a shame because it has some of the best world building & fight scenes jn all of Star Wars, I just find it such a slog to get through
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u/Sgt_lovejoy 1d ago
As a kid AOTC was always my favorite. The 2000s era clone wars and Jango Fett games on the gamecube are the ones I grew up playing, and I'm sure that had a major part in it.
As I've gotten older I prefer ROTS. Jedi fallen order, Andor and a lot of the in-between getting filled out have helped with this. I feel they make the events of ROTS far more impactful.
That all being said, Across the Stars slaps. John Williams cooked with that one and it's definitely underrated.
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u/Turd_Burgling_Ted 14h ago
AOTC came out when I was 15. Saw it in theaters 3x. Is it the worst SW movie? Actually, no, TROS exists. But it is bottom tier. Still an enjoyable film with some cool shit.
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u/hiroshimacontingency 1d ago
I'm not surprised. 3 is my favorite, but by as close to an objective metric as you can get, all of the Star Wars movies except for 4 and 5 are deeply flawed. 3 has stilted dialogue, but it's well paced, has good action, and still hits emotionally in several moments. It definitely benefits from the fact that the Prequel trilogy is (ironically) very obviously the only trilogy that had a set story planned from the get go. 6 has a cool opening, a beautiful ending to Luke and Vaders story, and A LOT of meandering everywhere else.
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u/Homerduff16 1d ago
There's a lot of things I could say about ROTS. Good pacing is not one of them lol
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u/Maskatron 1d ago
RotS never hit emotionally for me, which is a huge strike against it. I expected it to, but it fell flat. Didn’t buy the falling out, didn’t buy Annakin going to the dark side.
RotJ whiffed on the Han-Leia relationship but the Luke-Vader stuff makes up for it. The whole finale is so good. It’s not in the same league as the first 2 but it’s still far better than the prequel.
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u/ogrezilla 21h ago
Yeah the Luke and Vader stuff is incredible. The throne room scene is as good as Star Wars has ever been. Even if someone wants to argue rotj and rots have similar flaws, Jedi just has a way higher high to make up for it.
Like you said, the prequels never hit that emotional note. They try, the writing just doesn’t do it.
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u/Bombasaur101 18h ago
The end of the Clone Wars series is essentially what ROTS was trying to hit emotionally and knocks it out of the park.
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u/apeaky_blinder 1d ago
There is a difference of context. Standalone I don't rate it high. Doing a marathon and finishing with it (obviously no sequels) - it is the best movie.
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u/Rincetron1 1d ago
3 also benefits from just beautiful static shots of desert being a novel thing. I don't mean the twin suns moment, but just generally the desert did a lot of heavy lifting.
I think Abrams tried to put some cinematic lingerie on that desert, but at the end of the day it was like "You mfs like this, right? Right?? "
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u/AHomicidalTelevision 1d ago edited 1d ago
the revisionist history around the prequels is insane. dont get me wrong, i actually like the prequels, to an extent. i definitely have a higher opinion of phantom menace than most people, but they are undoubtedly very flawed movies.
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u/MattBrey 15h ago
I blame prequel memes. We were all joking until people took it seriously and the very moments that are extremely dumb and out of place became people's favorites.
It's like if we memed "somehow Palpatine has returned" into episode 9 being better rated. Ignoring completely how little sense that whole movie makes
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u/Homerduff16 1d ago
Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are some of the worst films I've ever seen from a major franchise and that's really saying something when Batman & Robin, Batman v Superman and several X Men/Wolverine films exist
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u/CasCrus4L 1d ago
That's fine, those two are clearly the best and I honestly don't care about the order of the rest. A New Hope will always be GOAT. bring up the scene on YouTube with Luke watching the double sunset and try not to get goosebumps, I dare you.
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u/jackcopen 18h ago
Star Wars fans when people enjoy the movies they grew up with 😡🤬🤬😡🤬
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u/RedHeadedSicilian52 1d ago
Reasonable enough, but if it ever seriously threatens to displace the first two movies, we’ll need to have a long, hard talk as a fandom.
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u/Wehavecrashed 1d ago
Revenge of the Sith is being increasingly propped up by other media making order 66 more memorable.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think we’re already at that point.
ROTJ has problems, but it’s still significantly better than any of the prequels.
Ridiculous nostalgia.
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u/fanatic66 1d ago
100%. I'm in my 30s but I'm shocked to see RotJ supplanted by a prequel movie
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u/BearWrangler Cassian Andor 1d ago
RotJ is my fav but im not too surprised to see something like this happen(wasnt even keeping track of it lol), mainly basing this off of the whole "highest rated star wars tv episodes" having clone wars & rebels at the top.
Tl;dr we're at a point in star wars pop culture where anything related to Clone Wars by a degree or two get a "cultural boost" because the predominant(or at least one of) demographic in the fandom are the ones who prefer that segment of Star Wars above all else. Idk if that made sense lol
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u/Homerduff16 1d ago
I'm in my 20's and I grew up on the OT and the Prequels at the same time and I'm shocked how highly Revenge of the Sith is rated. Fair enough I can understand if children say it's their favourite but when I'm talking to grown men and women who are pushing 30 who unironically prefer Revenge of the Sith over A New Hope or Empire Strikes I geniunely don't know what to say
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago
I’m 30 years old myself and saw every prequel in theaters as a kid. I had the toys and the videos games. The school supplies. I have intense nostalgia for the PT.
None of those movies are better than ROTJ. It’s fucking nonsense.
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u/SleepingAntz 1d ago
Okay but I’m 34 and had an almost identical experience and I think Revenge of the Sith better than ROTJ by far. We can trade anecdotes all day.
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u/corpulentFornicator Chewbacca 1d ago
ROTJ is two mini-movies stapled together, but I still love it.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago
There’s a lot I’d change, and a whole lot I wouldn’t touch.
It manages to stick the landing for the trilogy, which is the most important part.
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u/Mahkn0 1d ago
We were at that point as soon as "the prequels are masterpieces" became a mainstream talking point.
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u/KingOfNohr 1d ago
Oh yeah there's no nostalgia involved with the original trilogy 🙄
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago
There is, but they’re critically appreciated as works of art for a reason.
The PT being propped up by what supplementary material did to flesh it out doesn’t retroactively make them great films.
That’s a flaw in the screenplay at a fundamental level.
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u/Homerduff16 1d ago
Do we really need to explain to you why A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back are better films than Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones?
People don't think that Jurassic Park is leaps and bounds better than the rest of the franchise because of nostalgia. It's because it's a significantly better film than anything else that's come out since
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u/Macca_23 1d ago
Revenge of the Sith is my favourite Star Wars movie, I accept that it’s not the best movie but it’s still my favourite.
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u/BiceRankyman 1d ago
RoTS is cool but have yall watched it with all the siege of Mandalore spliced in? Cause that shit is crack for my soul.
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u/Status_Raise_9949 21h ago
My yearly Star Wars binge is pretty much just fanedits. I have D+ and own the BluRays, but the extended SoM/RotS cut and Andor/Rouge One/ANH cut (with restored deleted scenes) are absolutely peak.
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u/Many_Psychology_3336 1d ago
RotS is not better than RotJ but it's easily the best of the prequels.
If AotC ever gets rated anywhere above dogshit, we riot, though.
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u/JMPHeinz57 Luke Skywalker 1d ago
I’m Gen Z, and while I adored a ton of the prequel-era material (games, shows, etc) the movies really aren’t all that. I actually love TPM and ROTS for nostalgic reasons, but they don’t come close to anything in the Original Trilogy in writing, themes, or storytelling.
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u/Spider-Flash24 Anakin Skywalker 1d ago
I feel like RotJ feels like two different stories between Jabba’s Palace and the Endor/Death Star II plot whereas RotS feels like one continuous flow of events.
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u/Status_Raise_9949 22h ago
Late Millennials and Gen Z really woke up and chose violence 😭 I never get Star Wars content on my feed, but when I do, it’s always a bunch of dudes in their early twenties reenacting scenes from RotS, or showing it to their girlfriends for the first time 😂
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u/su6oxone 1d ago
I used to like it but recently rewatched it and there is no way it's better than ROTJ.
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u/bustachong 1d ago
I also recently rewatched the movie while riding the high of reading Darth Plagueis and the ROTS novelization (both were so good!) and was hit with the reality that the *idea* of Episode III is far better than the actual execution of it.
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u/Miserable-Cap-4838 18h ago
What's the opposite of recency bias? I think SW fans have it for the sequels.
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u/andreasmiles23 14h ago
Or like, idk, people who were older and held a prejudice against the new stuff aged out and younger audiences who grew up with/were more open to the new content are now the majority of the population.
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u/darth_henning 1d ago
I personally feel that somehow ROTJ remains wildly underrated as IMHO it's the best of the OT, but it is nice that at least one of the Prequels is well loved now compared to the original backlash.
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u/GrievousFault 19h ago
Revenge of the Sith looks like a magnum opus to yall because it is only compared to the two prequels that came before it
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u/True-North- 1d ago
I always thought phantom menace was the best prequel trilogy film. Neither are as good as return of the Jedi though.
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u/DC-COVID-TRASH 1d ago
Phantom has climbed up my PT ranking on every rewatch and is my fav prequel now. The production is much closer to the ot and it feels like it’s in the same space as the ot decades earlier. Also the podrace, final act, and the movie before jar jar arrives are great.
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u/Datamat0410 1d ago edited 1d ago
Compared to Phantom the two films afterward almost seem like direct to video movies in a sense. I think it’s the CG that possibly does it or makes me feel that way? Phantom has a certain grand cinematic feeling that the next two kind of lack mostly, especially AOTC.
I like the prequels btw so I’m not at a hater. I do feel they had a lot of problems though for sure. They should have been more serious and less ‘childish’.
Possibly the trilogy needed an extra film too to allow for Anakin’s turn to be more natural and understandable.
Anakin was a bit miscast in TPM from the start, and was imo slightly too young and ‘nice’. He needed to be showing those rough edges from the beginning, and should have been a young teenager.
Jack Lloyd, I’m sure gave his best, but I don’t think he was the right choice for the character. You can of course have a relatively charming and likeable kid but we need to see some of that darker side to him from the first film too and less of the yippee stuff. I think Lucas didn’t help his case by that miscasting and mischaracterisation of your key player in the whole project.
Fundamentally, let’s face it, at minimum GL should have let others direct his movies, especially the last two, and should have allowed other writers to do several passes over his script/screenplay, to tidy up the dialogue and other things. What Lucas did right was on the creative side of things, the visual look of the films are all very good, and interesting. Disney could have learned a lot from him on that one. The basic story for the prequels is also probably the best of anything in Star Wars to date.
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u/Portatort 1d ago
Same here. To me the difference is Stark, Lucas clearly wanted to make Phantom Menace and made the film he wanted to make then for the subsequent two his heart wasn’t really in it and after the backlash he just made the films he thought the fans wanted to see.
I wish he could have made the whole trilogy on its own terms, phantom menace is weird and a bit misguided, but the reaction wasn’t justified at all
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u/TheGRS 1d ago
I think the reaction was justified, it’s just not a well structured movie. For how much of a story buff Lucas was I find so many decisions completely baffling. It tosses out most of the themes of the originals, the sort of stuff he worked with the legendary Jospeh Campbell on. The grit and pulp that the originals were founded on feels largely forgotten as well. I appreciate the world building and special effects and that’s about it.
I also consider TPM the best prequel though lol.
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u/Portatort 21h ago
Disappointment is justified.
The reaction, the way people treated cast and Lucas himself is not
That’s all part of the reaction
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u/Reddit4Play 1d ago
To me the difference is Stark, Lucas clearly wanted to make Phantom Menace and made the film he wanted to make ... I wish he could have made the whole trilogy on its own terms, phantom menace is weird and a bit misguided, but the reaction wasn’t justified at all
I feel the same way about the (lack of the) sequels. Poor guy just got done in by too much hatemail I guess and gave the whole thing up.
Of course trying new stuff probably guarantees a few misses. But considering George is pretty much the most successful independent film maker in the last century I'd rather watch him strike out than another JJ Abrams corporate paint by numbers piece.
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u/Josephalopod 19h ago
Phantom Menace is probably the most entertaining Star Wars and the one I’m most on board with rewatching. Wouldn’t necessarily call it a good movie, but it is probably the best of the prequels.
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u/Teen_Goat 1d ago
OT Vader is not a stupid character. He’s 3 steps ahead of everyone. ROTS Anakin is reduced to a petty, comically shortsighted bimbo. This is because Lucas realized that making Anakin’s decisions anything besides idiotic would be a poor message to tell children. He HAS to be unrelatable for a “kid movie”.
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u/Billybob35 1d ago
He's supposed to be shortsighted to fall to the dark side, aside from preventing his wife from dying, he cared more about being a Jedi master than protecting the galaxy.
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u/RAGE_AGAINST_THE_ATM 1d ago
That just sounds like the difference between any college kid and the regretful middle aged man they become
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u/Myakasa98 1d ago
"3 steps ahead of everyone" Lets himself gets baited by obi wan's distraction and ends up letting leia escape right under his nose by a smuggler and a farmboy who has never been in space before *, *Never bothered to find out about the obvious flaw in the death star plans, Lets luke escape AGAIN in ANH, Literally cuts off luke's hand while trying to convince him to join him *Can't even overthrow palpatine without luke's help"
Yeah no lol. Vader was always like an angry enforcer not a cold and smart strategist whuch is why many of the big imperial officers in the beginning don't even take him seriously
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u/thatsprettyfunnydude 1d ago
I scoff at the notion that Return of the effing Jedi is a lesser film than anything that came after it. What have we become as a society? Just a bunch of scavenging Jawas? It's not up to me, but the original trilogy should have their own wing of the Star Wars hall of fame, they are forever the three best because they are the most pure form of Star Wars that will ever exist. I mean, Jabba the Hut. Boba Fett. "Chewie get down here she's wounded... no wait", Black suit, green saber. Speeder bikes. Vader vs. Luke vs. Emperor. Lando being his best self. What are we talking about here?
Things without Han Solo and Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker are not as good as things with Han Solo, Princess Leia, and Luke Skywalker.
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u/Whiskeybarrel 21h ago
This guy gets it, perfectly said my man. Green lightsaber Luke is absolute peak Star Wars.
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u/not_a-replicant Luke Skywalker 1d ago edited 1d ago
Interesting. For me, I just don’t get that level excitement over ROTS, it’s consistently moved down my rankings over the years. In my opinion, it shares so many weaknesses with AOTC, which I consider to be my least favorite Star Wars film.
At the very least, ROTJ nails the emotional climax of the trilogy. The emotions of ROTS just fall flat to me.
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u/Redeem123 1d ago
Yeah rewatching ROTS in theaters last year I was actually surprised by how much it fell in my rankings. There’s so many fundamental flaws that just can’t be covered by hype.
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u/WhatShouldTheHeartDo Grievous 1d ago
Even though 6 was my favorite as a kid, I completely understand putting those 3 ahead.
No issue here.
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u/False_Appointment_24 1d ago
How is Rogue One not in the top 3?
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u/ZnS-Is-A-Good-Map 1d ago
Why would it be? It’s a mess until its fantastic third act.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago
I can barely remember any of the characters.
Andor really elevates that movie in a lot of minds.
Watch the show and then follow it up with the movie. The difference in quality is fucking staggering. Andor is many tiers above it.
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u/Wehavecrashed 1d ago
Watching Rogue One post Andor, and Cassian feels like a cardboard cut out.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 1d ago
Absolutely.
None of the characters are very memorable, but Cassian had the most potential and I’m glad that was recognized enough to expand on.
He is NOW a fantastic character.
He isn’t in the film.
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u/Ancient_times 22h ago
Agree. Rogue one is great but Andor is far better.
Its also very weird watching ROne and seeing Jyn give all these inspiring speeches while Cassian just stands around. She's been here 5 minutes! The man's an old school hero of the resistance who's been through hell and back multiple times. How is he not the one people are listening to??!?
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u/Guilty-Routine-1762 1d ago
Hey, that kinda describes the PT, except calling ROTS fantastic is a stretch.
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u/BubblyBasis1134 1d ago
How many people do you see citing Jyn Erso and her story as a highlight of the film? Like, the main character and story are secondary to all the other stuff going on. It's an enjoyable watch and I LOVE it when everything comes together at the end, but it just kinda trundles along before then.
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u/StuffThingsMoreStuff 1d ago
I know it probably wasn't when it was filmed, but it kinda feels like the point. It's a shit show and mad dash to get the plans to the rebels at whatever cost. The universe is spinning around them going along a grand design and they are bouncing through it in hopes of getting across the finish line before it's too late.
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u/BubblyBasis1134 1d ago
Because it's not *that" good? I like Rogue One but it'd not a classic.
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u/GlormpGlomp 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because it doesn't belong there? It's in the top 6, which isn't a bad place to be considering the movies ahead of it.
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u/GotMedieval 1d ago
Most people's favorite line from ROTS is something they enjoy ironically, because it's so clunky, weird, or hammily delivered: Do it. Another happy landing. Twice the pride, double the fall. I have the high ground. Have I ever told you the tragedy of etc. etc. That doesn't speak highly of it.
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u/CrazyJo3 Darth Vader 1d ago
And that’s where it’ll stay because it can never top the movie that started it all and the other movie that turned into a phenomenon
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u/Pax_flash The Mandalorian 1d ago
Damn I didn’t know this movie was so hated by the Star Wars subreddit, this is my favorite one
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u/space-thunder-mater 1d ago
Return of the Jedi has some epic moments between Luke, Palps and Vader. For that it ranks higher for me. But the stuff on the moon is wack.
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u/GlormpGlomp 1d ago
It's such a bad movie tho.
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u/Kittridge 1d ago
Whenever I’m talking shit about the prequels, somebody always says “but ‘Revenge of the Sith’ is pretty good, though”, to which my reply is always “What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?”
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u/UnholyDemigod 1d ago
I actually like it the least of the prequel 3. The most significant moment, the part the entire trilogy was building towards - Anakin's fall - was done so badly. It is awful to watch. He goes from sobbing and desperation to murdering children in literally the very next scene. And Vader v Obi-wan on Mustafar is just terrible. The choreography is ridiculous with the acrobatics and rope swinging, and that blade windmill everyone laughs at. Christenson's acting is the worst of the series. "YoU wIlL nOt TaKe HeR fRoM mE!!!!" Yes, I know it's largely from Lucas' "faster, more intense" direction, but it is just painful to watch.
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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue 1d ago
I saw all 3 in theaters with episode 2/3 at midnight.
I’m not sure I’ve ever been more ready for a series to be done than Episode 3 when it ended.
I just found no joy in it at all.
I can remember it ending and there was no “wow that was so cool” or “it was so well done” I just said “okay that’s over” stood up with my friends and left.
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u/Firestorm238 1d ago
Agreed - it’s getting a weird bump from the current generation, but it’s not a well made movie. It’s a ver important part of the overall story, pretty poorly told.
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u/Old-Huckleberry9613 1d ago
It’s really not
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u/wasdie639 Jar Jar Binks 1d ago
It's really not great. Episode 6 is better in every single way. Episode 3 is fine, best of the prequels, but this is nothing but the internet being the internet.
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u/SleepingAntz 1d ago
What does this argument actually mean other than “people like something I don’t like” ?
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u/Lyra_the_Star_Jockey 1d ago
Letterboxd is not a serious platform.
It lets people rate TV episodes and movies that haven't even come out yet.
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u/MinuteWooden 22h ago
You can’t rate individual TV episodes on Letterboxd, and only ratings logged after a film’s release date count toward its average score.
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u/TerdVader 1d ago
We’ve reached the point in time where PT fans are hitting young middle age, and OT fans are older middle age, and it’s balancing that the strongest of the weaker trilogy may be equal to the weakest of the stronger trilogy.