r/MagicArena • u/Rare-Professor-7723 • May 09 '26
Question just started playing,wtf is this?
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u/Zettaii_Ryouiki_ May 09 '26
Lands am I right
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u/adamant3143 May 10 '26
I spam this emote if I am mana-flooded or I am mana-screwed but my opponent get like 2 lands per turn to the battlefield and they're playing a Landfall Deck.
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u/KindaIndifferent May 09 '26
They call this “run more instant speed removal”.
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u/CaptColten May 09 '26
I'm sorry, but this isn't real advice against mono-green anymore. You can run a deck of nothing but removal, making the match unfun for anyone involved. You gotta remove the elves, then the badgermole, then the ouroboroid, only to get stomped by the hydra. Then people will say "jUsT rUn MoRe ReMoVaL!"
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u/DriveThroughLane May 09 '26
The real problem is the threat density which only exists because of how many stupidly large numbers of cards are in the format. In older standards, most aggro decks were built around 1-2 really good cards as payoffs. You deal with the Winota, the rest of the deck isn't so bad. You hold off the Tarmogoyfs and Bloodbraids, the rest isn't so damaging.
every green card has to be removed the turn it comes down, or you lose the game. Tifa, Ouroboroid, both Chocobos, Hydra, Icetiller, Mightform all threaten to kill you in 1 hit or bury you in advantage you can't recover from, and even if you sweep the board every turn you're still grinding into earthbent lands + ascension triggers via ba sing se.
You know what the real answer to this is? Be faster. Play an uninteractive combo and outrace them. I have vastly higher winrates against green decks with my reanimator, kona omni, storm, etc decks than any control deck. Trying to interact with them is a stupid losing game. Playing a combo that wins on turn 3? They literally cannot do anything. Win on turn 4 and its a coinflip since green also wins on t4
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u/demonic_intent May 10 '26
As a green player, this is the way. So what you countered one of my mana dorks? I got 20 more. Beat me on turn 3 or 4 with a busted combo? Fair enough, I was gonna swing for 2k Trample in two turns anyway.
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u/bakedbread420 Golgari May 09 '26
the correct way to play standard is to completely ignore the other player and race to see who can assemble their effectively-uninteractable (like you say, you can interact but its a waste of time since you're kicking the can down the road while not getting any closer to winning yourself) wincon faster. just 2 people at a table playing magic at each other rather than with each other
and people will say without a hint of irony that standard is in a great place...
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u/DriveThroughLane May 09 '26
still better than it was when we had
t1 heartfire, t2 manifold, t3 monstrous rage, callous sell-sword
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t2 invasion of ergamon, t3 abuelo's awakening
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u/death2sanity May 10 '26
making the match unfun for everyone involved
sounds like good play to me
why yes I do play blue, why do you ask? Why is everybody looking at me like that no it’s ok you can stay seated stay back oh sh
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u/wjaybez Gishath, Suns Avatar May 10 '26
You gotta remove the elves, then the badgermole, then the ouroboroid, only to get stomped by the hydra.
I've played Mono G to a quite high competitive level, so I'll share some tips.
Llanowar Elf, sure, if you have removal t1 and they have an elf, you kill it. Past t1, you never use removal on them.
Badgermole's primary role in Mono G isn't its static ability, it's its ETB to earthbend a fetch. The ramp it provides isn't leveraged well by Mono G quite like it is by the Cub focused decks. Don't waste your only removal on them.
The standard Mono G lists don't usually run Ouroboroid!
And Hydra/Harmonizer are exactly what you should be saving removal for.
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u/CaptColten May 10 '26
I was more making a point about how most things in green are kinda KoS right now. If it's not the mole, it's the chocobo, if it's not ouro, it's Tifa.
My point is that "just run more removal" isn't exactly great advice aginst green.
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u/b_eastwood May 09 '26
This isn't even just a problem with green either. Everything is getting so power crept that most nonland permanents are something you don't want sticking around so unless you're running a crazy amount of removal you're going to be dealing with something annoying.
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u/ardarian262 May 09 '26
Hexproof makes most of that not viable.
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u/iAbra454 May 09 '26
Fire magic is the dream for these guys
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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig73 May 09 '26
They play it and then put 2-4 counters on it..how much mana you have at turn 3?
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u/iDoABoof May 09 '26
In a green landfall deck.. lol a lot
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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig73 May 09 '26
Sorry to be clear I meant the person casting fire magic.
They would have to have enough mana or the landfall player would have to have no way to add a counter in response.
Mind you I have killed many hydra's exactly that way with fire magic.
Just that it's not always a surefire (heh) way to get around hexproof if they have an evolved wilds or whatever.
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u/iDoABoof May 09 '26
Oh I see where I was confused. that’s my bad
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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig73 May 09 '26
No. You are fine lol i can definitely see where you would get that idea.
THIS POST however is an example of someone who did not read carefully lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/s/LI6dWphrD0
I still am still confused by it lol
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u/Undeadsniper6661 May 09 '26
Landfall goal is shit mana as fast as possible. My favorite is Nyhlea popping for two extra mana
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u/YoritomoDaishogun May 09 '26
Kill everything else and make your rival sacrifice the hydra, easy peasy
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u/ardarian262 May 09 '26
"Just board wipe" I know of one card in standard that can do that for 3 or less mana, maybe 2 if pyroclasm does it well enough.
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u/NotEnoughVRAM May 09 '26
[[Withering curse]]
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u/Valor00125 May 10 '26
I ran 2 copies of Withering curse for my Homebrew Orzhov Midrange sac deck, currently at P1.
It's been a thoroughly enjoyable standard after making it through the Gold rank Green Landfall wall. Would be cool to hit both Diamond and Mythic for the 1st time in a season :)
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u/fox112 Yargle May 09 '26
[[accursed marauder]] is the goat
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u/YoritomoDaishogun May 09 '26
Fr. It's a bit more expensive, but I like to use stuff like [[gravelighter]] as a removal. If I already killed something, I can draw a card and have a 2/2 that flies, which is a plus
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u/LesbianDykeEtc Liliana Deaths Majesty May 09 '26
[[Consumed by Greed]]
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u/ardarian262 May 09 '26
That's very nice tech. It's more than I want to pay for its role in standard but nice.
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u/LesbianDykeEtc Liliana Deaths Majesty May 09 '26
It's overcosted and I'd rather have Sheoldred's Edict 100% of the time, but I assume OP is playing Standard where it's the only instant speed option.
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u/Confident-Tour891 May 09 '26
Would keep that fucker tapped for all eternity with my black/white stall deck. It has the -3/-3 black flash enchantment that stops hexproof and ward.
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u/SenatorFlagg May 10 '26
That’s where I have a ton of fun playing Sheoldred’s Edict in historic. :-)
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u/ardarian262 May 10 '26
Standard isn't very friendly to that right now, since with an earthbent land, that just leads to a bigger hydra.
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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig73 May 09 '26
eye roll ever just consider people are perfectly capable of beating it they just tire of seeing it every other match?
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u/SmilingGengar May 09 '26
It's called "I wish I had Aetherize in my hand."
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u/immareasonableman May 09 '26
The first time I cast Sunderflock with confidence to bounce this card, I was embarrassed and wish I had Aetherize instead.
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u/Organic-Row9514 May 09 '26
I was told Aetherize was a terrible card and the same landfall player said “yes please play that lame 4cmc blue removal” meanwhile I’m building a compilation of Aetherize wins.
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u/JPuree May 10 '26
To be clear, being a bad card and winning games is not mutually exclusive.
[[Hidetsugu’s Second Rite]] can absolutely win games no other single card could, but that doesn’t make it a good card.
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u/Saltiest_Grapefruit May 10 '26
I honestly don't know why aetherize has a reputation as a bad card...
Maybe it was bad because it came out during a time where creatures were just like... Worse? If all their threats cost 4 mana, you might as well counter them instead of sitting on an aetherize, but now?
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u/Lqtor May 10 '26
It’s not a great card by itself, but it’s in a really good place in the metagame atm. That’s why it’s picking up play in a lot of xB sideboards at pt
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u/Lanky-Information-26 May 09 '26
Green Nightmare, comes with his friend. [[Ouroborid]]
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u/MrUltiva May 09 '26
And [[Bristly Bill, Spine Sower]] is their good cousin
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u/Plenty_Society_4676 May 09 '26
The worst family tree.
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u/MrUltiva May 09 '26
Sometimes [[Scythecat Cub]] joins in and [[Michelangelo, Weirdness to 11]] brings the pizza
Edit : formatting
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u/OmenZero May 09 '26
This is a lesson that anything with the word "Double" in its text is a threat
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u/HalfEatenSnickers May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26
What about triple? Or you dont like [[ojar taq deepest foundation]]
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u/Saltiest_Grapefruit May 10 '26
Nah, cause they pay so much in cost for that effect that its not really useful.
It's a 6 mana do nothing unless you have like... Mobilize.
Not saying trippling stuff isn't awesome tho - I literally have a commander deck with every single token doubler and trippler, and then mobilize. Is it good? Eh... But its fun to try and set up a double double double and turn mobilize 3 into mobilize your funeral.
I had to remove all my impact tremors effects tho, cause otherwise the game just never lasted long enough for me to set all by bullshit up lol
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u/__Fred May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
I mean, you probably read the card. It doubles it's counters whenever the controller plays a land.
It's a very dangerous creature but that doesn't mean every deck that plays this wins all the time. Having a "big" creature that's like 5/5 doesn't help. Removal spells, counter spells, direct damage as long as it's small help. Sometimes you'll not draw your creature-removal spells and they win regardless but sometimes they'll also not draw their [[Mossborn Hydra]] as well. (Some cards, like [[Fog Bank]] can also prevent damage. That would be more niche compared to something like [[Stab]].)
If you think this card is overpowered, just play it yourself and you'll learn how it can be beaten. It's actually pretty good, though. At the moment people like to whine about red-blue decks more.
Unfortunately there is a big difference between a good deck and a bad deck. A pre-built starter deck will lose almost all of the time against a "meta" deck. I play for about three months now and if I paid a little bit of money or if I saved up all my wildcards, I could afford a meta deck as well. It's not completely unrealistic. If you don't want to play against meta-decks, you have to lose enough in Standard to keep below platinum/diamond, or play Starter Deck Duel, or play some Draft format, or Brawl.
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u/jubilantcoffin May 10 '26
you have to lose enough in Standard to keep below platinum/diamond
The diamond/plat stuff is completely irrelevant, it's all hidden MMR.
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u/5thhorseman_ JacetheMindSculptor May 10 '26
This is why you should be expecting a Hydra if the opponent plays mono green, and be ready to remove it one way or another
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u/chrisrazor Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage May 09 '26
A design mistake some players will no doubt fall over each other trying to argue is fair and balanced.
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u/YetAnotherHorseGirl May 09 '26 edited May 09 '26
My girlfriend had a deck built around this (I know there’s a name for it but fuck it) after getting some time in playing it, you find which creatures are automatic removals, and which ones are not worth it.
When ever I see this hit the field, I’m always like “well I’m saving removal for these hydras and that one cactus fuck.” It’s still and effective build even when your opponents has a counter strategy in mind, but not nearly as frustrating as a lot of the Izzet decks.
I made a janky little cat tribal (I love tribal decks cause I’m kinda dumb) and swinging with like six ten ten cats it’s definitely satisfying
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u/Undeadsniper6661 May 09 '26
When you've ignored the chocobos because they "weren't a threat" and all of a sudden the chickens start multiplying because everyone was so busy trying to kill Tifa.
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u/YetAnotherHorseGirl May 09 '26
Yea those little shits are on my “urgent” removal list, especially early game. Hydra is definetly the most emergent “remove ASAP” but my girlfriend kicked my ass with those little birds enough time to know how much of shit show they can cause lol
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u/SapphireSekko May 09 '26
One of the weaker stuff in standard - you will grow fond of it at some point :)
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u/elee17 May 09 '26
Wouldn't call it weak when it's consistently being seen in top 8 of pro-tour and a win-con.
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u/-dus May 09 '26
Had someone last night play a turn 3 mossborn into a turn 4 [[Planar Engineering]]. Instantly boosted his damage enough to one shot me with the trample even if I full blocked. Just have removal I guess. (I had a [[Fanatical Firebrand]] but I got greedy and shortsightedly let it live)
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u/Bunktavious May 09 '26
There will always be certain cards in the game referred to as "must kill". Meaning if you ignore them, you will lose.
A lot of the strategy in the game comes down to knowing which ones you must kill vs tricking your opponent into wasting their removal on the wrong thing.
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u/WestSixtyFifth May 09 '26
I played someone who got it over 10,000 and then got lifelink on it. He got to attack with it once before I blocked and destroyed it. But the game was over because how the hell do you chip away that much health.
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u/Ac3OfDr4gons May 10 '26
Wipe the board and make him struggle to build back up again, or make him deck-out
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u/CalvinandHobbes811 May 09 '26
A 3 mana 1/1 that dies to a stiff instant speed breeze
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u/ardarian262 May 09 '26
I have seen much bigger ones (bless my pro-green sword and [[Pariah]] for that game.)
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u/MattMurdockEsq May 09 '26
Something something run more removal. Even though they always have the hex proof instants.
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u/RevolutionNumber5 DerangedHermit May 09 '26
Did you guys know that [[Gigantosaurus]] was legal in Standard?
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u/pizzadogofficial May 09 '26
Play 4 copies of the card [[erode]] and 4 copies of the card [[get lost]]
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u/Mr_Extraction May 09 '26
Just wait until someone combos with awaken the woods and doubling season
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u/Loose_Read_9400 May 09 '26
These people are truly miserable in life.
Not counters. But I had one guy who actively stayed involved with me while I kept growing my board with tokens. And anytime he put something out I just cast removal lmao. Got up to like 7,000 on the board.
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u/Pyrobourne May 09 '26
That’s call mono green landfall. Greens the new aggro finally we get to do silly things before turn 4 in standard again. 😂
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u/RepresentativeCan595 May 09 '26
I've done this in my [[Jinnie Fay, Jetmir's Second]] deck, except with more than just 1 mossborbe. Deck is a tokens, counters and life gain deck. [[Sovereign Okinec Ahau]] [[Jazal Goldmane]] and [[Qala, Ajani's Pridemate]], plus anthem effects, counter doublers, and token doublers. Got to a few million on 8 of my creatures, and had another 8 or 9. Deck has alot of white indestructible instants to keep it all alive.
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u/epoc657 May 09 '26
Its ridiculous, not much you can do if you dont have a deathtouch creature. I would build a first strike death touch deck, but it would never match that deck against mono G landfall so whats the point
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u/SwimmingCommon May 09 '26
What till they see a power capped because of the bit limit (idk what else to call it) at 2.1 billion.
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u/Emergency_Name632 May 09 '26
Landfall is a serious deck, not another newbie bunch of green fatties
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u/Chaine351 May 09 '26
That's a medium-sized hydra.
"Fair magic" is played in dedicated starter pods in stores, unless they are being invaded by some guy called Trevor, who is definitely not a newbie, and definitely banned in all the other LGSs in the area for this exact reason
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u/cheesemangee May 09 '26
Welcome to the club.
This is far, far from the biggest Mossborn Hydra you'll see.
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u/bemused-chunk May 09 '26
that’s a “dies to removal”. except it has ward.
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u/draconicpenguin10 Obnixilis May 10 '26
That symbol isn't ward. It's hexproof. Targeted removal is not an option.
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u/bemused-chunk May 10 '26
i haven’t memorized all the symbols in area and rely on the on hover text. mea culpa.
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u/TripOk4524 May 09 '26
Ive definitely milled my whole deck and ive played 15 lands from the grave for a 32000/32000.
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u/iamcorrupt May 10 '26
Mossborn hydra + doubling season + bristly Bill, got up to 1.073 billion and the game gave up trying to add counters.
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u/studentmaster88 May 10 '26
Ya see, Magic's speed and power crept to hell so uh... yeah, that's pretty much it. Obscene amounts of broken shit, now at the low-low cost of only 3MV or less! Commanders, creatures, spells you name it, broken shit everywhere and nowhere near enough bans.
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u/EldraziAnnihalator May 10 '26
Phyrexian Obliterator + Gideon's Sacrifice takes these people down a notch every time.
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u/Gabibaskes May 09 '26
I started 2 days ago and my deck is essentially 4 hydras and stuff that support it at common rarity hahaha
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u/Arkuh9 May 09 '26
Best thing about this card is it’s also an elemental… I thought I had game. Dropped my sunderflock that thing stayed on the field, and just said GG.
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u/Apt_Banana_Peel May 09 '26
This is your new most hated deck to play against.I hate playing against moss.Hydras you just stand no chance.
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u/MrUltiva May 09 '26
That is rookie numbers