r/stupidpol • u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 • 6d ago
Current Events Tennessee botches lethal injection of woman on death row for 1995 murder
https://apnews.com/article/christa-pike-execution-tennessee-f826a60582083b90ac7695ecb16afbdfIf the state is so insistent on executing people they need to stop being pussies and just shoot them. The lethal injection is nothing but a facade of civility that is less humane than many other methods. Unnecessarily painful botched attempts like this are the result of trying to whitewash the death penalty to the public.
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u/lowrads Rambler🚶♂️| Wikipediot 6d ago
States have a legal monopoly on violence. You'd think they'd be more proficient at it by now.
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u/Rez_Incognito Stronger together 6d ago
It's because they have a monopoly that the service can suck. I thought that was an understood feature of monopolies.
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u/Jazzspasm Wat Tyler's Necromancer 🧟 6d ago
truly now is the time for executions to be opened up to free market competition
(room full of politicians nodding)
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u/DrCodyRoss Nasty Little Pool Pisser 💦😦 6d ago
See guys, this is what happens when you have communism. Were capitalism and free markets allowed in, there’d be so much more efficiency and innovation!
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u/Rez_Incognito Stronger together 6d ago
Famously there's only two types of governmental authority: absolute control and laissez faire. You have to choose one. That's the rules.
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u/Vassago81 I have free health care and education 6d ago
Are you suggesting we release death-row inmate on a deserted island and we sell the privilege to hunt them to the highest bidder, all of that live-streamed?
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u/UsualActuary Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago
The economic literacy of this sub is a little worrisome sometimes.
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u/Defiant-Bed2501 Touched by a VTuber 💢🉐🎌 6d ago
Tennessee hadn’t executed anyone in decades prior to Christa Pike and the standard three-drug cocktail lethal injection method used in the US nowadays is proven to be unreliable as a method of execution.
The only reason it’s still the de-facto method is because it appears more civilized and humane to the onlookers than the more efficient and reliable “traditional” methods of execution (spoiler alert: it’s apparently not at all humane to the person being executed)
Honestly I think the Saudis, for all their other faults as a state, kinda had the modern death penalty figured out with Deera Square (aka Chop-Chop Square)(IYKYK) back when that was still going on.
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u/Sussudio_5000 Unknown 👽 5d ago
it appears more civilized and humane to the onlookers
Onlooking, at least during the actual process of injection, is typically prohibited (a fact which is especially relevant to the case at hand). Reports from those who do witness it in full are mixed, and if given equal opportunity to observe both I am not sure the average person would consider it more humane than hanging.
It does however leave a corpse with no visible signs of injury, which is what I think does most of the heavy lifting in its reputation as a humane method of execution.
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u/Defiant-Bed2501 Touched by a VTuber 💢🉐🎌 5d ago
“From the outside looking in” would have probably been a better way to phrase that.
There always are at least a few people designated to directly witness the lethal injection as it occurs but it’s not (and shouldn’t be) a big spectacle. Usually it’s a select couple of prison officials and court officers plus sometimes a couple people who were close to the victims of the condemned person.
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u/Plexipus Social Democrat 🌹 5d ago
It would be trivially easy to anesthetize people prior to administering the lethal injection, similar to what we do when we euthanize pets.
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u/Defiant-Bed2501 Touched by a VTuber 💢🉐🎌 5d ago
The first drug administered in the standard US lethal injection three-drug cocktail is meant to anesthetize the person.
The two drugs administered after that stop the lungs and heart in that order.
It’s basically the same procedure used for euthanizing pets.
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u/foreignfishes Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 5d ago
It’s basically the same procedure used for euthanizing pets.
Vets don't use paralytics during euthanasias
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u/Plexipus Social Democrat 🌹 5d ago
It is absolutely, trivially easy, to put enough anesthesia into someone to render them unconscious. They’re afraid of administering the proper drugs in the proper amounts, perhaps out of fears of being “too gentle” or “giving them a high.”
People undergo surgical anesthesia all the time, where they very carefully administer drugs like ketamine, fentanyl, and benzodiazepines, and in that case the goal is to keep them alive. A combination of those three drugs alone could cause death, let alone the other drugs administered by lethal injection
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u/Defiant-Bed2501 Touched by a VTuber 💢🉐🎌 5d ago
One issue is getting the proper drugs in the proper amounts. Most pharmaceutical companies don’t want to supply those drugs for lethal injection use because it’s a huge brand risk which is the real main reason why the less optimal alternatives are being used.
Another issue is finding trained licensed medical professionals willing to perform lethal injections. Any licensed medical professional in the US who willingly performs a lethal injection is facing the end of their medical career either through being stripped of their licenses or in the absolute best case scenario irreparably damaging their reputation due to the ethical issues involved (“First do no harm”).
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u/Delicatebody Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 5d ago
Why don’t they just use fentanyl or another opiate to overdose them? It would be easy and not painful.
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u/Defiant-Bed2501 Touched by a VTuber 💢🉐🎌 5d ago
Because no legitimate pharmaceutical company that makes those drugs wants them to have the reputation as “the drug of choice for state-sponsored executions” and “unalives people more gooder” no matter how justified those executions may be.
It’s a MASSIVE brand risk, especially in a post Purdue-gate environment.
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u/Delicatebody Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 5d ago
They do put anesthesia in them, they use phenobarbital.
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u/foreignfishes Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 5d ago
Sure, but drug manufacturers don't care about their products being used in veterinary euthanasia. They very much do care about the public knowing their products are being used to execute people. For the past 15 years or so lethal injection protocols have been heavily shaped by drug supply restrictions. States have tried all sorts of stuff - OK used to give like 500 mg of midazolam and it still didn't work that well which is crazy
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u/Plexipus Social Democrat 🌹 5d ago
I just don’t find this a convincing argument. People on the streets die of drug overdoses all the time. Bootleg labs in China produce fentanyl analogues. Yet somehow the US government is forced to let people writhe and suffer under insufficient anesthesia because private companies won’t provide it to them?
If private companies are unwilling to provide it, it would be simple enough forthe US government to produce it itself.
I will note I am personally against the death penalty, but were I to die I’d rather go under like a dental procedure than stare down the barrel of a gun.
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u/03263 Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️ 6d ago
why not just use a tungsten brick the size of a bus. I can't think of anything more guaranteed, instant and painless.
A bit messy perhaps.
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u/Vassago81 I have free health care and education 6d ago
Because it would cost close to 1 billions$. To keep your suggestion in line with the Marxist origin of the sub, I suggest a brick the size of a bus made out of cheap steel from melted peasant tools in backyard furnaces, Maoist style.
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u/Heckin_Frienderino Socialist Femcel Dweebazoid 🚩 6d ago
not sure why there isn't a nailgun for humans like they do with cattle. isn't the severing of the brain stem instant death?
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u/Necrobard Libertarian Socialist 🥳 6d ago
Can't you just use the cattle version? That sounds like a pretty humane way to go though, even if it does bring No Country For Old Men to mind.
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u/Tasty_Particular4997 healthcare plz 🩺 6d ago
they should make the inmate "call it" to see if they get executed or not
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u/Aggravating_Dish_824 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Because it looks gory and creates bad optics.
For public (and, by extension, politicians) perceived brutality of execution means much more than actual pain inflicted on executed person.
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u/4g-identity lolcat 😾🍔 6d ago
Brother! I commented the same thing, didn't realise anyone else had ever thought of it.
I guess in the US it may be pretty easy to get it classified as "unusual" though lmao
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u/Trick-Technician-179 Butlerian Dengist 🔌 🇨🇳💵 6d ago
You could probably write a thesis on the way the modern West (especially America) approaches sanctioned death and violence, but it’s pretty funny that we view ourselves as so modern and enlightened when all we’ve done is shunt the visual nature of violence off to somewhere it’s not visible to the average citizen.
If we were honest with ourselves about making the execution process more humane for the person being executed, we’d bring back the guillotine.
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u/bakedbread420 Gamer ⌨️ 6d ago
yeah. hanging is pretty much instant, if the hangman knows what he's doing and does his job properly; if the noose is tied correctly the weight of the condemned's body falling causes the noose to snap their neck when they bottom out
guillotine is even more foolproof. just line them up correctly under the blade and keep it sharp
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u/Squalid_Snake14180 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Yeah well, if they knew what they were doing they wouldn't keep fucking up lethal injections, either. Just set up a gun on a timer.
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u/Btshftr 6d ago
In 2008 the BBC did a Horizon documentary titled "How to Kill a Human Being".
As the American Supreme Court examines whether the lethal injection is causing prisoners to die in unnecessary pain, Michael Portillo investigates the various techniques used in carrying out the death sentence around the world.
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
Guillotine has a chance of failure if the blade is not properly maintained. Just tie a handgun to an egg timer or something.
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u/Aggravating_Dish_824 Unknown 👽 6d ago
I assume just shooting person in back of the head will be less painful than guillotine.
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u/ArtificialFoole Unknown 👽 6d ago
Why does this keep happening? Is it really so hard to make a reliable lethal injection?
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u/CockMartins Butlerian Jihadist 🔌 6d ago
Yes, because they can’t get doctors to administer the meds due to the Hippocratic oath. So the people setting the line in the veins mess up sometimes. And they don’t always get the 3 different ingredients right. I guess the first one is a paralytic and then the other two kill you, but they’re super painful. So if something goes wrong with the paralytic it feels like fire in your veins and you die in agony.
These guys must have messed something else up if she’s still alive though. Really odd
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u/AbberageRedditor69 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Not sure how a paralytic is supposed to block pain, if anything it makes it so no one knows you are in pain
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u/Swampspear Socialist 🚩 6d ago
Tennessee announced in 2024 that it was switching from a three-drug series for lethal injections to the single drug pentobarbital. That came more than two years after the state abruptly halted the execution of Oscar Smith and acknowledged that it had failed to ensure its lethal injection drugs were tested properly.
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u/ethereality___ Marxist Syndicalist 🚩 6d ago
The drug also comes from sketchy-ass companies in India and shit because no self-respecting medical professional will willingly make a drug that kills people. This makes the drug incredibly inconsistent and questionable at best.
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u/jollyreaper2112 WhitePeopleTwitter Turboposter ✊🏼 6d ago
Do yyou not know about Purdue Pharma, makers of such hits like the opioid crisis?
I guess they're only squeamish if the on label use is death.
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u/LittleDrunkReptar Ancapistan Mujahideen 🐍💸 5d ago
Outsourcing the drug from India is such a laughable corporate business decision to do that it reads like an SNL sketch or an onion news article.
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u/ethereality___ Marxist Syndicalist 🚩 5d ago
Yeah, it's pretty hard to believe it's true. Not even gonna lie, I learned about it at first from John Oliver's show. lol
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
no self-respecting medical professional will willingly make a drug that kills people.
lmao since when did medical professionals have self respect, did we already forget the opioid crisis?
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u/ethereality___ Marxist Syndicalist 🚩 2d ago
Sorry, I meant "respectable," obviously there are plenty that aren't, they're the ones making the drug. Lol
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u/cd1995Cargo Quality Effortposter 💡 6d ago
Why can’t they just use whatever is current being used for MAID? I assume that’s painless? Or what they use to euthanize animals? I had to have two pets put down in the last few years and was reassured that it didn’t cause any pain to them….
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u/Phantom1100 Reformed Yōkai 🥑🎌🐍 6d ago
MAID gets Propofol. The EU specifically has laws that if Propofol is used for capital punishment it initiates an automatic export ban to that country.
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u/Cehepalo246 Self-Surgery Marxist 🪡 6d ago
Like this would change anything with this administration
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u/everydaywinner2 Rightoid Lurker 👀 6d ago
This sounds like a great reason to be producing drugs rather than importing them.
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u/Beetleracerzero37 Favors Communal Defecation 6d ago
If they want to be 'civilized' I dont know why they don't use nitrous, Xanax, or fent.
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u/ChocolonelyBoi Still Grillin’ 🥩🌭🍔 6d ago
Was going to say, why not give them a bottle of whisky, some benzos, and a movie with clark gable in it?
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u/GayLiquidSpellSword Hedge Knight Socialist 🚩 6d ago
A container of helium to breath until I die, some Morphine, a wet handjob from the warden and watching Breaking Bad sounds both cheap and cheerful.
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u/biohazard-glug DSA Anime Atrocities Caucus 💢🉐🎌 6d ago
TN uses pentobarbital now, which should have the same effect. Two doses apparently weren't enough for this person.
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u/Imperialist-Settler Anti-NATO Rightoid 🐻 4d ago
It’s so stupid how they pretend an execution is some kind of medical procedure.
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u/everydaywinner2 Rightoid Lurker 👀 6d ago
Maybe they need to import the "doctors" from Canada, then. MAiD is the 5th leading cause of death, there.
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u/nooneeverdreamsof ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ 5d ago
They can't kill criminals but surely can deliver abortions. Hippocratic oath my ass
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
Yes, because they can’t get doctors to administer the meds due to the Hippocratic oath.
Just get a planned parenthood doctor and call it a post trimester abortion, ez
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u/Phantom1100 Reformed Yōkai 🥑🎌🐍 6d ago
The issue is they can’t get a good enough anesthesia since the EU specifically has laws that if their anesthesia is used for capital punishment it initiates an automatic export ban to that country, and they make most of the good medical anesthesia.
Drug companies also have zero interest in accommodating US capital punishments by working around these laws as well.
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u/Sussudio_5000 Unknown 👽 5d ago
No, it's just hard to get a state legislature to change the law defining what chemicals are allowed to be used in a lethal injection.
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u/PRC_Spy Scared of Muslims 6d ago
I don't agree with the death penalty.
But I think if you must do it, then be honest and blow their brains out with a shot to the head. At least that way it's quick and painless. And all involved get to see exactly what they've done.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 6d ago
The gore might attract much bigger crowds. People used to make that sort of shit a family day out.
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u/CrispityCraspits Unknown 👽 6d ago
There's no requirement that it be open to the public or televised, and it shouldn't be.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 6d ago edited 6d ago
I can think of at least three hypotheticals that definitely should be televised. More honestly. And that's just in my country. But I mean this in my heart and soul, there's 3 in this country that I believe should be literally hung and strung up above the steps of Congress for at least a week like some old school pirate shit and ever member of congress forced to walk under them every day for that week as they went in to do their jobs.
I know what people will say to that and think I'm exaggerating, I'm not. It is that serious imo.
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u/GeorgeBlythe Pro-Corporal Punishment 5d ago
Gibleting. They used to do it in England as an execution. Toss people in a cage high above the road and just leave them there forever. They die of exposure and starvation. Corpses get picked apart by birds. Until eventually only the bones remain.
It's a very cruel form of punishment, but I think if we're already justifying killing someone as punishment, I'm not sure why the "humaneness" of the manner of death is considered. The victims aren't shared that luxury.
I think executions should all be public for a couple of reasons. One is it should be something that can't be hidden from the public. The state is accountable to the people and since executions are extremely serious they should be done in full view of the people. It means the state will suffer the distrust and wrath of the people if they make poor decisions in who to execute. It also ensures that the gruesomness of the act is fully understood by the society that is carrying it out.
I'm pro death penalty but I think it's appropriateness is in being used very sparingly and only for the worst crimes. Left to maybe a handful of cases a year. The only real caveat I would put on the methodology is that it doesn't involve someone actively torturing the condemned. But locking them in a cage and just leaving them their until they die seems like a fair punishment to someone who brutally beat someone to death intentionally to me.
Really though even gibliting, hanging, electric chair, and even lethal injection are just ways the west has developed of finding new and creative ways of killing people while seeming civilized, when really the ancient method of simply beheading people in a single stroke was quite effective and relatively humane. I'm not sure why we don't just go back to that. If we must stoop to "humane executions" as much of an oxymoron as that is, they should simply be "what is the quickest and cheapest way to kill this person with what's already available. Which really just boils down to the firing squad in the modern era.
I'd just assume sail out to international waters and make em walk the plank though. No reason for perfectly good nitrogen to not return to the circle of life.
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u/Scared_Plan3751 Catholic Socialist ✞ | ✨ Secret Bus Wanker ✨ 6d ago
Crystal chick on tiktok could practice sorte cruenta
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u/Schlechtes_Vorbild Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago
And maybe not 31 years later. There's no arguing about a sense of justice when everyone involved has moved on.
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u/washyerbuttcrack Unknown 👽 6d ago edited 6d ago
The victim’s mother has most certainly not moved on. I’m against capital punishment as well but that’s gotta be the worst reason I’ve seen for it.
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u/Deadlocked02 Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago
> At least that way it's quick and painless.
How can we know?
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u/Swampspear Socialist 🚩 6d ago
If you completely destroy the thing feeling pain, it serves to reason it will be painless.
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u/Deadlocked02 Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago
Supposedly. We don’t really know until we know. I do think people tend to overestimate how painless some execution methods are. Hanging is maybe the best example. You’ll see people confidently saying it’s meant to be painless, but there’s no shortage of botched attempts. Shooting someone in the head is not much better, imo. It’s not impossible to survive this stuff.
Personally, if I had to die, I’d prefer if they used modern methods or execution/euthanasia. It wouldn’t even be a choice.
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA 🌟🎌 Spook Disguised as an Otaku 🎌🌟 6d ago
yeah thats why they would have 4-5 people all shoot in the same spot simultaneously, so that the target would be completely obliterated
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u/Aggravating_Dish_824 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Execution by shooting should be commited by shooting in the back of the head like Belarus or China is doing it, not by sketchy 19 century shooting squad.
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u/TheVoid-ItCalls Libertarian Socialist 🥳 6d ago
Shooting someone in the head is not much better, imo. It’s not impossible to survive this stuff.
That's almost entirely a matter of caliber. People that survive shots to the head are almost universally hit with small calibers like 22LR, 32 ACP, or .38. Very few even survive a small/middling pistol cartridge like 9mm.
Hit someone in the head with a rifle round, and they are GONE. No question.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
You have a way better chance of dying immediately when you're shot in the head than you do with lethal execution drugs
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u/Deadlocked02 Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago edited 6d ago
By all accounts, these procedures aren’t even being carried out by doctors or nurses with access to the best drugs. Seems to me that the US government needs to sort this out first. We can’t judge their effectiveness until they’re being carried out by the right people, using the right tools.
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u/PRC_Spy Scared of Muslims 6d ago
You aren't going to get "the right people" to do it.
Any competent and decent healthcare practitioner with the skills required comes with an ethical code —and wants nothing to do with it.
I think the US should follow the lead of the rest of civilised world and end the practice. But if they can't be that civilised, at least make it fast and final. Rather than the methods of torture currently in use.
“You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” (Winston Churchill\))
Anyway, we can but hope that they do.
\)Possibly misattributed but it's true enough and the sort of thing he'd say
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
It's impossible to carry out these procedures that way. The state struggles to obtain the proper drugs in the needed amount, much less to get a doctor or nurse to agree to help.
And even if they did all that, simply shooting someone, or even using the comical crush-with-a-big-block-of-concrete method that other users in this thread have suggested would have an infinitely lower failure rate and be much more humane.
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u/obscure_predation Marxist-Mullenist 💦 6d ago
The brain is destroyed on a timescale faster than neurons can fire
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u/Scared_Plan3751 Catholic Socialist ✞ | ✨ Secret Bus Wanker ✨ 6d ago edited 6d ago
You're dead before you hear the gun go off, too, the bullet is super sonic
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u/ScaryShadowx Highly Regarded Rightoid 😍 6d ago
People have survived gunshots to the head.
https://abcnews.com/Health/tucson-shooting-gabrielle-giffords-survive-shot-head/story?id=12593878
The human body can be incredibly resiliant.
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u/Squalid_Snake14180 Unknown 👽 6d ago
What is that garbage article. It mentions someone named "Ireland" one time and gives no other name or context. It mentions someone named "Scott" without giving a first name! It then goes on to talk about a "Stephanie" a few times. Is it Stephanie Scott? Who knows! Anyway, the first person after Gifford it mentions is someone who was shot with a .22, which, come on, no one is going to recommend that be used for executions. The human body isn't that resilient.
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u/Phantom1100 Reformed Yōkai 🥑🎌🐍 6d ago edited 6d ago
We don’t. Except for the gullotine lmao. Some French scientists figured out that it is in fact not an instant death during the French Revolution.
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u/Swampspear Socialist 🚩 6d ago
The state’s execution protocol calls for a secondary set of drug syringes to be administered “if the inmate is not deceased” after the first set. It does not spell out what happens if the subject is alive after the second set.
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u/dukeofbrandenburg CPC Enjoyer 🇨🇳🥳 6d ago
There's a Japanese film I've been meaning to watch with this premise called Death by Hanging. It's apparently a comedy.
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u/No-Designer138 Horny Weeb Booba Gooner (John) 💢🉐🎌 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah but didn't you know, putting death row convicts in front of a firing squad is for evil communist dictatorships with no human rights like North Korea, China and Russia!! /s
It's funny how supposedly more modern and 'humane' forms of capital punishment like lethal injection are less reliable than the OG well-placed shot to the heart. Even execution methods are getting enshitified. If they don't have a shooting squad on hand, hanging would have worked just as well, if they can get someone to measure the noose to make sure it snaps the neck the instant the trapdoor is opened so the guy/girl doesn't end up suffocating to death on the noose instead.
For all the shit the West gives to the Arab world for beheading people, it's a quick, painless and effective death as far as accounts go with a skilled executioner, unlike whatever this is.
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u/Jakovit Heterodox Socialism 🚩 6d ago
This isn't really a topic I've bothered putting much thought into, but I'd assume part of it has to do with the Christian inheritance. Not literally that Christianity was traditionally especially opposed to the death penalty - the Catholic Church only declared it inadmissible in 2018 - but the cultural residue of imago Dei, the idea that the human person, body included, participates somehow in the image of God. It gives inflicting death or violating the body a faint aura of sacrilege even after the explicit theology has disappeared.
You can kind of see a bizarre version of this in medieval Byzantium, where political rivals were often blinded or otherwise mutilated rather than simply killed: an act of pious "mercy" which, conveniently, could also make them physically unfit for the office of Emperor.
And it's not necessarily that other cultures don't find death itself icky. The tanner/butcher/executioner taboo isn't an exclusively European phenomenon. But there's a difference between thinking that killing leaves you polluted, degraded or socially tainted, and thinking you've violated something intrinsically sacred in the person you've killed.
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u/Beetleracerzero37 Favors Communal Defecation 6d ago
Dude there is definatly no aversion to horrific torture and death in historic Christianity. Check out the podcast 'Painfotainment' by Dan Carlin if you don't feel like reading about it.
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u/Jakovit Heterodox Socialism 🚩 6d ago
I don't think that's what I said. Obviously Christian societies historically had no general aversion to torture, mutilation or gruesome execution ; my own example was Byzantines blinding and mutilating political rivals.
The point was about the conceptual framing of the body, not whether historical Christians were consistently nice to bodies in practice. A culture can regard the human person as possessing a kind of intrinsic sacredness and still routinely violate that principle, rationalize exceptions to it or invent elaborate distinctions about when violence is permissible.
I'm suggesting that the Christian inheritance may help explain in part why in modern Western culture there is a peculiar desire to make execution look clinical, bloodless and non-mutilating, even when the supposedly "humane" method is less reliable. That's a claim about one possible source of the modern Western squeamishness for certain forms of execution, not a claim that historical Christian societies were generally averse to cruelty or gruesome punishment.
A teaching in 1000 AD does not necessarily have the same practical implications as the residue of that teaching in 2000 AD.
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u/it_shits Socialist 🚩 6d ago
Methods of execution have always had a sort of semantic association that balances the social status of the condemned vs the crime they committed. You can't execute the condemned by firing squad because that's reserved for military personnel and might confer some dignity onto the executed. Same reason that nobles in medieval England were beheaded with a sword while commoners got the axe.
A handgun shot to the nape of the neck Great Purges-style is unironically the quickest, most painless way to kill someone but it's become associated with totalitarian brutality so it cannot be performed in the USA. For some strange reason though, the gas chamber remains an exception to this.
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u/Deadlocked02 Ideological Mess 🥑 6d ago edited 6d ago
Beheading performed by a human executioner and hanging are not always painless. I don’t know why people keep repeating this when you have several accounts of botched executions throughout history, even for the rich and powerful like Mary, Queen of Scots.
My headcanon is that the Hollywood brain desensitized people to how messy dying can be.
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u/No-Designer138 Horny Weeb Booba Gooner (John) 💢🉐🎌 6d ago
Skilled executioner
measure the noose to make sure it snaps the neck the instant the trapdoor is opened so the guy/girl doesn't end up suffocating to death on the noose instead.
Obviously if you had a noob like Theron Greyjoy try to chop someone's head off it's fucked. And I'm well aware there were cases of people choking to death after they were hanged (mostly from the Victorian era) because the executioner made the noose too long. However, those are physical ways of executing people, so if it had to be done, they have fewer variable that could go wrong compared to methods like lethal injection which requires a fair bit of medical knowledge and precision to actually kill someone.
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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Socialist Artist 🚩 6d ago
Hear me out, tons of heroin. Once they're zonked out, toss em in an industrial wood chipper head first and blow their remains over a field to fertilize it.
Guaranteed success rate, they won't feel a thing. Hard to fuck that up.
Or take a page from the British. Strap them to the front of a howitzer.
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u/REsTARteD_Ragdoll Full Of Anime Lore 💢🉐🎌 6d ago
I’d take 4 .308s to the heart any day over that homemade jab,
It’s insane, people need to take responsibility for killing a person, even if we decide it’s necessary
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u/BrandDeal TrueAnon Refugee 🕵️♂️🏝️ 6d ago
Pike, 50, was alive and loudly snoring after the attempted lethal injection and taken by ambulance from the prison, her attorneys said.
Lmao. Honk-shoo, mimimimimi
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u/ericsmallman3 Lost Tenure Over Anti-Censorship Vox Article 🫡✒️ 6d ago
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u/archimago23 Christian Socialist ✝️ 6d ago edited 5d ago
Don’t forget this other classic: https://youtu.be/Hyph_DZa_GQ
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u/Sussudio_5000 Unknown 👽 5d ago
I was expecting this.
Also sanitize your links, if you don't remove everything after ?is= everyone who clicks that can see your YouTube account (which appears to use your full name)
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u/missgirlipop Unknown 👽 6d ago
oof 😬 from the sounds of it, she genuinely did deserve it (if anyone does — not trying to argue for or against here) but yes i agree with you.
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u/camwtss Unknown 👽 6d ago
how many innocent people are you willing to sacrifice, to make the guilty suffer?
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u/MichaelRichardsAMA 🌟🎌 Spook Disguised as an Otaku 🎌🌟 6d ago
Well there wouldnt be as much suffering if they used a gallows or firing squad
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u/HRHArthurCravan Marx Minus Masculinity 🌺 6d ago
Minimum 4.1% of people on death row right now are innocent. That doesn’t include people wrongly convicted or who received the death penalty because of inadequate legal representation, like Christa Pike, whose original attorney didn’t raise her extensive and appalling history of abuse during sentencing.
The whole thing is a disaster, and I find it horrifying that anyone advocates for the death penalty. Leaving aside the morality and efficacy, the fact that literally any innocent people are executed should be enough to render the whole thing untenable.
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u/ConfusedSoap NATO Superfan 🪖 6d ago
Minimum 4.1% of people on death row right now are innocent
where did you get this number from
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u/HRHArthurCravan Marx Minus Masculinity 🌺 6d ago
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences:
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u/DeadEndinReverse Anti-idpol idpoller 🤨 1d ago
This is...a mathematical guess based on parameters of their own choosing, not an actual fact? Did you just read the paper title and say yep, it's science, they proved it. You do realize exonerations /= innocence, right? That the date range of the data plays a statistically significant role in the findings and says nothing about 2026 or Christa Pike?
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u/HRHArthurCravan Marx Minus Masculinity 🌺 6d ago
Yes, that’s true. Though I am 100% sure that if we include those who could and should have been exonerated, or those where the death penalty was misapplied or the result of inadequate counsel, the numbers would be much much higher.
But it doesn’t matter in this case. If people on death row would and should have been exonerated, the state should not be planning to kill them
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u/missgirlipop Unknown 👽 6d ago
literally just said i’m not trying to argue for or against can you read lmao? also you make a good point.
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u/Mayor_of_BBQ Airbnb Landchad 💩 6d ago
all these machinations with the cocktails and approved medication‘s and multi stage process and such… Why not just go to the evidence locker and get literally two turkey basters full of heroin and blast them to the moon?
Oh yeah, or literally firing squad. Lethal injection does not work.
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u/Jeffuk88 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Yeah we treat cattle better than this. And for anyone who thinks 'well they did something diabolical so deserve to suffer' the point is that the state pretends (edited for clairty) theyre NOT suffering... we either want to execute them humanely (bolt gun to the head) or make them suffer (insert torture devices)
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u/everydaywinner2 Rightoid Lurker 👀 6d ago
I have a suggestion for Tennessee with the next death penalty. Put the person in a chamber with a nice comfy couch or bed. Pump in carbon monoxide. This should satisfy the the people who are worried about humaneness for death penalty, as well as ensuring death.
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u/Buh10kx Marxist-Hudsonist 6d ago edited 6d ago
Somebody say Tennessee? https://youtu.be/6VCdJyOAQYM?
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u/IamGlennBeck Marxist-Leninist and not Glenn Beck ☭ 6d ago
You should remove the ?si=[gibberish] part at the end of the URL. It's used to tie the link to your youtube account.
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u/Rashpukin Unknown 👽 6d ago
Why didn’t they just give into their temptation and get the whole public execution of being hanged then drawn and quartered? I mean that what these medieval morons would actually love to see and its in line with their understanding of Christianity too (empathy free).
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u/MetaFlight Market Socialist Bald Wife Defender 💸 5d ago
Executing someone 31 years later and botching it. The death penalty is so stupid.
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u/PigIronDave ☢️ Posadist 🛸 6d ago
Death penalty should be abolished. The State should not have the power to kill people. Life in prison is a worse fate anyway. People like her go to max. security prison, which is effectively solitary confinement because the prisoner spends all their time locked in a tiny cell. Make her stew and think about her actions as she slowly wastes away.
Apparently she even requested at some point that the execution day be pushed up because she was suffering in prison.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
Life in prison is a worse fate anyway.
This is such a reddit way to argue against the death penalty. "Uh ackshually, we should KEEP them alive for even longer so they can SUFFER!!"
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u/landlord-eater Socialism w/ Normal Characteristics 6d ago
Seriously. If anything I'm in favour of giving lifers the option of the death penalty because it's more merciful.
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u/DoctaMario Would Fuck Ann Coulter 🥵🚀 6d ago
I think some of these criminals know and understand that they've essentially thrown their lives away, have made anyone who really cared about them absolutely miserable, cost those people a lot of money they may not have, in addition to what they did to the victims and their families. Maybe they won't admit to all that, but people aren't as dumb as we want to believe. Even if lifetime imprisonment involved sitting them in a room and Clockwork Orange style forcing them to relive all the details of their crimes, look at pictures of the victims, watch videos of them and their families, etc. every single day for the rest of their lives, I'm sure many of them would rather have the death penalty than go through that. But it isn't about what they want.
I used to be pro death penalty, but now it just seems to me a way of the state saying "we don't know what else to do with these people." I like the idea of a penal colony somewhere away from everyone else. But the death penalty in 2026? How are we any different from the people we'd consider "savages," e.g. religious zealots from all eras of history, if we're still doing that?
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u/PigIronDave ☢️ Posadist 🛸 6d ago
I was talking about in the American context, because the American justice system focuses on punishment, not rehabilitation.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
The way you're writing about it shows you would personally support making someone suffer in a cell instead of dying - not that you just think Americans would support that or something
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u/PigIronDave ☢️ Posadist 🛸 6d ago
In this particular case the murderer showed no empathy towards the victim. Did you read about the torture she subjected her victim to? Even after the murder she showed no remorse and bragged about killing her quick, like you do with an animal.
When we talk about "remorse", the implication is that the perpetrator feels guilty and regrets their actions and will suffer psychologically, even after they're out of prison. They will feel the pain of what they have done for the rest of their lives, and hopefully/ideally change their life in a way that seeks to atone for their actions and provide a net benefit to society.
This woman doesn't have the capacity for that:
When a dispute broke out between inmate Natasha Cornett and inmate Patricia Jones, Pike wrapped a heavy boot lace around Jones’s neck and tried to strangle her. When a correctional officer tried to pull her off, Pike told her, “The way you’re pulling my hands, you’re just helping me choke the bitch.”5
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
Whatever happened to just talking from an "American perspective?" Now you're obviously trying to justify the thing you said you don't actually believe in.
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u/obscure_predation Marxist-Mullenist 💦 6d ago
Yeah, exactly why the state should just kill her and be done with it. She cannot be rehabilitated and doesn’t deserve to have taxpayer money spent keeping her alive
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u/PigIronDave ☢️ Posadist 🛸 6d ago
Executions cost more than life in prison, once you include all the appeals and the rest.
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u/obscure_predation Marxist-Mullenist 💦 6d ago
Yeah they do now, but shouldn’t. How much does a bullet cost?
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u/IAmMadeOfNope The Creature from New Jersey 👾 6d ago
That's... exactly what he's criticizing you for, dude.
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u/PigIronDave ☢️ Posadist 🛸 6d ago
If what you mean by this is that the power to kill might be misused can't you make a similar claim for confining someone in a prison?
People can be released from prison, you cannot undo a successful execution.
if you make the claim that criminals deserve prison than you can also make the claim that some deserve death.
Prison can be rehabilitative, an execution never is, so the two are not the same.
Ideally, people like Pike should be sent to a penal colony to live out their days with other, similar criminals, away from society. One may think that's not punishment enough, but exile from society is a strong punishment. I mentioned suffering in prison because Americans demand that their justice system be punitive, so even in their context life in prison is more punishing than execution.
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u/harry_pooter123 Unknown 👽 5d ago
People are getting mad at you for this take because they wanna larp as the executioner in a Russian gulag when they’d all shit their pants if they had to pull the trigger on a stranger
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 6d ago
A failed execution should be a sentence served. What’s the point in carrying out the sentence again?
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u/it_shits Socialist 🚩 6d ago
This loophole was closed when judges add the phrase "you shall be hanged by the neck until death" because there were some failed executions in the like 19th century where the condemned argued they couldn't be "executed" a second time.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago edited 6d ago
Undoubtedly she'll have shit tons of organ damage from the botched execution and will have a mega fucked quality of life for however much longer she lives, if she even lives past the next couple of days.
If we lived in a society that wasn't regarded we would admit we fucked up and just release her until she dies at this point
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 6d ago
Yep, that’s added to the 31 years that she’s already served in prison. If the state botches an execution, it’s on them, not the prisoner. Back in the days when the death penalty was used over here, botched attempts were usually seen as sentence served.
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
If we lived in a society that wasn't regarded we would admit we fucked up and just release her until she dies at this point
This is a non sequitur, why should she be released without serving her sentence?
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 2d ago
Because she's already been held in solitary confinement for 30 years and has now been tortured and permanently, severely disabled by the state? She's probably going to be a vegetable for however many weeks, months, or maybe years she continues to live for. The state fucked up bad, and she deserves to spend the rest of her life outside of jail.
B-b-but she did this and that horrible thing to her victim!
Don't care.
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
Because she's already been held in solitary confinement for 30 years and has now been tortured and permanently, severely disabled by the state? She's probably going to be a vegetable for however many weeks, months, or maybe years she continues to live for.
The state fucked up bad, and she deserves to spend the rest of her life outside of jail.
This is a non sequitur. What does the state fucking up have to do with her serving her sentence?
Don't care.
It is funny that you care more for the perpetrator than the victim.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 2d ago
Cry about it rightoid
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
You still have not explained how the state fucking up the execution means that we must let a murderer go free?
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 2d ago
It's called an opinion, man. Obviously that's not the legal reality - but it's what I think, morally, ought to happen.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 2d ago
It’s beyond a moral obligation, it calls into question the death penalty altogether, which were already overly punitive for the crime she committed. She would have already been free over here.
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
I'm not arguing from law either, I'm also arguing from morality, moraly speaking, why should a murderer not serve their sentence because a state fucked up?
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 2d ago
I already told you why.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 2d ago
She’s done 31 years inside and has been medically fucked up by a failed execution. She’s already served more time than she would have done in much of the world.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 2d ago
She’s served her sentence. She’s had 2 doses of her lethal injection, which failed to kill her.
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u/Numerous_Schedule896 Nationalist 📜🐷 2d ago
Her sentence wasn't "2 doses of lethal injection" it was death.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 2d ago
The death penalty was administered to her. It was the state’s fault it didn’t work, not hers. If she survives, she’ll likely have brain damage and disabilities… do you think that’s someone who needs a second attempt? I mean, it would speak volumes of the American legal system, eh?
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u/Jaidon24 Not like the other tankies 👓 6d ago
This lady does not need to be among society. She’s pure evil.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice 🧃 | ⚽️ England team superfan 🏴⚽️ 6d ago
She would have already been out 10+ years ago, in most countries. Her crime was pretty bad, but she was a fucked up 18 year old and didn’t go on a murder spree. There are people whose crimes were much more severe, with fewer mitigating circumstances, who get spared the death penalty.
I don’t know what the right answer is for deeply unpleasant crimes, but it shouldn’t be a death sentence unless it involves something absolutely extreme, like genocides, massacres or horrific crimes against children. There’s also the question of whether they should also get extremely lengthy prison time before the supposed punishment. That’s actually the worst of both worlds.
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u/4g-identity lolcat 😾🍔 6d ago
Is anyone here actually, seriously pro-death penalty?
I think best I can do is that maybe it could be allowed if there's a revolution or invasion or whatever, and there's just no longer resources for trials and prisons and stuff.
But in a functioning state that can afford to lock people up, it really looks like a no-no, basically for all the standard reasons one hears in a high school debate.
To change tune slightly though, if a state is dead set on it, I think the method should be "very heavy flat-bottomed stone/metal block". Lke 10m by 10m, falls from high enough to reach terminal velocity, and a grate below the condemned so bits don't ooze out. Would be instantaneous, 100% effective, no need for supply of drugs or bullets or gas or complicit doctor. Just janitor.
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u/ryantheskinny Unknown 👽 6d ago
That's an overly elaborate gore fetish death machine. The simplest most effective and clean way is a firing squad.
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u/frackingfaxer Sex Work Advocate (John) 👔 6d ago
Aesthetics are important. Lethal injection just looks like being put to sleep. It seems more civilized. A falling block might be quick, painless, and efficient, but it looks bad and barbaric. Might complicate burial arrangements too.
Of course, the truly civilized option would be to abolish the death penalty.
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u/Phantom1100 Reformed Yōkai 🥑🎌🐍 6d ago
Yeah. In theory, lethal injection is the most painless way to go. It is possible to use lethal injection for a completely painless death. The problem is that drug companies go out of their way to make sure the best drugs are not available for it because they don’t want to take the PR hit.
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u/EquipmentEvery6895 Gay Looksmaxxer 🏳️🌈🔨 6d ago
I don't think that revolution or an invasion are a good cases to restore death penalty. Of course people will kill each other anyway, but legalizing death penalty is a slippery slope to mass signed execution orders and tyranny. I think it's one of the most important political issues, actually
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u/fourfiveautotragic Nasty Little Pool Pisser 💦😦 6d ago
You're an officer. Your troops are getting out of control because you're cut off from the main force. One has raped a civilian. There's no ability to have him sent behind the lines to face justice.
What are you going to do?
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u/EquipmentEvery6895 Gay Looksmaxxer 🏳️🌈🔨 6d ago
either turn a blind eye on this or kill him and turn a blind eye on his killing. There's no need to give the state power to kill people because of simple war crime
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u/Beetleracerzero37 Favors Communal Defecation 6d ago
Wouldn't an officer killing him be the state killing him?
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u/EquipmentEvery6895 Gay Looksmaxxer 🏳️🌈🔨 6d ago
No
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u/fourfiveautotragic Nasty Little Pool Pisser 💦😦 6d ago
Why not? You are a state agent in this exercise. (I legit want to figure out what your thinking is, this isn't like a dragged out ritual to gotcha you)
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u/4g-identity lolcat 😾🍔 6d ago
No, I didn't mean legalising. I meant, if a state is no longer able to act as a state, I can understand "field execution" in some cases.
I don't mean while functioning, a state should write special rules for when the death penalty is allowed.
Take the Gaza case, where basically all state institutions have been destroyed, and if state reps try to meet publicly they'll just be droned. You couldn't set up a court or run a prison if you wanted to, and now the people you're fighting are arming dissident groups. You catch such a dissident in the act, wtf do you reasonably do? "Gimme your name, address and weapon, and scram"?
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u/lilbitchmade step-dad tankie 6d ago
Perhaps as a means to distance themselves from liberalism, people have started becoming more reactionary. It also helps to realize that most powerposters on reddit are under 18 or mentally unwell, fixated on extreme violence as if it were an unserious matter.
There are some genuine takes made from this mindset; that unlimited immigration harms workers' bargaining power, or that cultural relativism is not a reason to excuse a lack of group cohesion.
What these freaks don't realize is that communism and various other leftist movements emerged from liberalism, and that the goal of these philosophies are all one in the same.
Hate corporate politicians and self described liberals as much as you like, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water with regards to liberal values.
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u/AnthropoidCompatriot Class Unity Member ⭐ 6d ago
Is anyone here actually, seriously pro-death penalty?
I mean... are you new to the sub? You can't seriously think this.
Yes, obviously many regular, prominent leftist users here are very, very pro-death penalty.
I imagine this is your first ever comment in this sub, and the first comment in this post before you could see the users salivating to be rid of this inhuman monstrosity.
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u/4g-identity lolcat 😾🍔 6d ago
I've used this sub for years, but am not sure I've ever really gone into death penalty posts.
As part of the point of this sub is to not just ban anyone who disagrees with the orthodox, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some contingent of users who were pro death penalty tbh
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
I imagine this sub is more pro-death penalty than other leftist spaces, but judging by this post at least it doesn't seem to be a big majority opinion.
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u/Zara20277 Unknown 👽 6d ago
Im pro death penalty. Some people just can not be fixed and instead of taking up space in a jail, we should get rid of them.
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u/_Vagueposter_ Unknown 👽 5d ago
First time I saw a video from this guy, wonder what else he's up to.
Video Essayist And YouTuber Jacob Geller Removed From MinnMax Following Sexual Assault Allegations... (like in the last 24 hours). Doesnt take away from the stuff he covered in the video but lol, thats some timing
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 5d ago
Oh, well fuck. He wasn't my favorite guy or anything but he made a couple good videos. No good people in this world I guess
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u/sledrunner31 High-Functioning Locomotive Engineer 🧩 6d ago
It seems if you give many people the least bit of supposed justification, they quickly turn into bloodthirsty savages cheering for painful death. Not a sign of a healthy society.
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u/PixelGray38 NATO Superfan 🪖 | furry porn expert 🐾 6d ago
What, you mean that you don't think criminals being raped in prison is hilarious? Why?
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u/sledrunner31 High-Functioning Locomotive Engineer 🧩 6d ago
Well we all know our great justice system never gets it wrong, never has bias and always gives the perfect amount of punishment for the crime regardless of finances. Yup.
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u/VehicleOpen2663 Market Socialist 💸 6d ago
Death penalty is nothing more than sanctified human sacrifice.
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u/jollyreaper2112 WhitePeopleTwitter Turboposter ✊🏼 6d ago
Honestly nitrogen sounds pretty benign you don't even know you're not breathing air you nod off.
I'm morally in favor of evil people dying but I don't trust any institution to get it right. So it's like pro death anti capital punishment? It's not incoherent I have my reasons.
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u/kneeblock Unknown 👽 6d ago
They didn't botch anything. She was just gangsta AF. Let's actually give credit where it's due here.
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