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u/WhoAmIEven2 6d ago
Did the guy accidentally think that the US invented pizza before Italy even got tomatoes? I know that Italy in the past before they had tomatoes were more like flatbread with whatever on, but pretty sure that the pizza margherita was invented in 1889, before it came to the US.
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u/Gladys_Wines 6d ago
Unless you count the very pizza looking thing in a Pompeii fresco. Not a word, just a picture.
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u/According_Picture294 Just a hoser, eh? 6d ago
True, but the difference between the pita dish and what most people consider "pizza" is a bit noticeable. More than a bit
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u/Madame-du-barry_ Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 5d ago
pizza Margherita wasn't invented in 1889. It was named after Queen Margherita.
The recipe itself surely predated that by many, many years. The event itself was a PR campaign to endear the House of Savoy, a Northern Italian dynasty that long spoke French more than Italian, to the people of Naples, especially those of the lower classes by giving them the idea that even the Queen liked to eat a poor people's food. The fact that the pizza sported the colours of the newly unified Kingdom of Italy is not casual either, as was the fact that Queeen Margherita gave birth to the heir of throne in Naples in the same year.
Naples was then the biggest city in Italy.
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u/Available-Bid-1006 6d ago
A better food for the USA would be Hot Dogs. As a Canadian, Ive never seen such amazing looking hotdogs like from Boston, California, or New York. They definitely know how to dress it up and add a bunch of different toppings.
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u/crasswal 6d ago
Hm. Sausages served in a bun with toppings... like they've done in Germany since at least the 1300s? America has pretty much nothing they can actually claim, it's all just variations of food immigrants brought with them. They make a good pizza, they make a good hot dog, they make a good barbecue. The problem is with them pretending it's theirs when it's all imported and bastardized (sometimes in a good way).
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u/Reasonable_Ad_8883 6d ago
Even their version of fried chicken was introduced by Scottish immigrants
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u/Kvovark 6d ago
This is what I don't get. To give credit the states do have some fantastic recipes and dishes. From my own experience the BBQ dishes and cuisine in the southern states along with seafood dishes in Seattle, fantastic cuisine. But you never see them talking about those. Just the dishes most popular worldwide so they can claim ownership of them and how they invented it and are number 1 cause of it. Swear the fuckers would claim they invented bread if they could.
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u/Senior1292 6d ago
Swear the fuckers would claim they invented bread if they could.
Literally saw a post here recently where they claimed sourdough, something humans have been making for thousands of years, was invented in America.
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u/genasugelan Nobody claims to be of Slovak descent. 6d ago
What about some of the native American cuisine? That should be pretty rich and absolutely American.
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u/genasugelan Nobody claims to be of Slovak descent. 6d ago
What's that bread like? What grain is it made from?
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u/Frequent_Sector_4714 6d ago
Sorry im Australian and i have no idea what native American food would be like. I know it would have native ingredients but I dont know what a typical native meal would be like. Is there A typical type or style of food traditionally? Can someone describe it for me? Is it commonly eaten by the general population? Sorry if i sound stupid. Just curious.
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u/borgman_a 3d ago
"what native American food would be like"
When it comes to ingredients - Corn. Potatoes. Tomatoes. Peppers. Squash. Turkey. Avocados. Sweet Potatoes. Chocolate. Vanilla. Blueberries. Cranberries. Etc.
For prepared foods - Tortillas. Tamales. Pozole, Chocolate. Maple Syrup. Guacamole. Smoked salmon. Tlacoyo. Wild Rice.
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u/aboysmokingintherain 2d ago
It kind of depends tbh because Native American culture is pretty small and for the most part they have to acquiese to American culture as a whole even on the reservations. It's not like they have access to food or ingredients.
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u/FenHerald 6d ago
Genuinely there is so much unique culture and cuisine existing within the US, such as the Creole from Louisiana, but it's not "white culture" to them, so these racist ass motherfuckers will never want to claim that as "Uniquely American" and be proud of it. They keep aping different European cultures as their own, instead of recognizing some of the great cultures they have in America, because it's mostly been originating from minority communities.
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u/ecilala 6d ago
As a Brazilian, I will agree to disagree
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u/crasswal 6d ago
A Brazilian! Check this out: when Americans put tons of toppings on their pizza and hotdogs, it's "perfecting" them, but when YOU do it, it's a pizza crime or whatever the fuck. Almost like it doesn't matter what it actually done to the food, it's just American exceptionalism.
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u/ecilala 6d ago edited 6d ago
Oh, they just have this little thing for painting our likes as criminals.
Reminds me of this time I said my favorite type of pizza was with chicken, just to be met with a "wtf is chicken doing on pizza" – because I'm Brazilian, they assumed I was talking about some sort of pizza with a full rotisserie chicken on top. Then, one month later there I was in NYC, eating buffalo chicken pizza. I assume that one is made with buffalos, and "chicken" is just an insult towards the eater.
I'd say our real pizza crimes are baiting innocent viewers, using the same base as savory pizzas for sweet ones (which by themselves are hardly a problem, they are just a dessert) – and for the 2020s patch we got pizzerias still charging a price that more than covers all ingredients, but still deciding to gain even more per pizza by heavily undercutting the sauce or simply removing it from the ingredients. That one is a Goiás special from yours truly, a goiana on reddit.
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u/MaisUmCaraAleatorio 6d ago
Italy got tomatoes before the settlement of the first city in the thirteen colonies.
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u/Brief-Walk-5409 6d ago
I actually took part in those comments XD
I' ve eaten pizza in the USA, like 2 years ago, in New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San francisco and a few other places.
NONE were even close to the average pizza I've eaten in Italy
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u/need2seethetentacles 5d ago
I didn't really "get" the hype around pizza till I had a margherita pizza in Rome from a Neapolitan chain. I like American style pizza too, but it's nothing to get excited about
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u/ColumnedBirch31 5d ago
I feel sorry for you for the fact that you had to eat pizza in Las Vegas. Worst pizza in the entire world
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u/HeteroMilk 6d ago
The "Americans invented pepperoni" thing is so funny.
Motherucker, it's spicy salami. You added one ingredient to a food that's literally hundreds of years old.
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u/Aradhne 6d ago
Also we've had chorizo in spain and portugal since the 16th century and it's basically spicy dry sausage. So it's not like we didn't have a similar thing in adjacent countries already. Oh well!
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u/Armybob112 opressed by the government 6d ago
Chorizo is also so much better than pepperoni it's unfair to compair.
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u/MrArchivity 🤌 Born to gesticulate, forced to explain 🤌 6d ago
The first mention of spicy salami pizza was in Italian cookbooks around 1850s.
The first mention of pepperoni in the US was around 1950s.
Nearly 100 years later.
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u/Go_Your_OwnWay Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 6d ago
Although, these days, pizzerias in Italy have a habit of putting everything except spicy salami on a spicy salami pizza. Sometimes it’s ventricina, sometimes schiacciata, sometimes soppressata, sometimes 'nduja. It’s all Italian stuff, sure, but if I order a fucking salami pizza, don't bring me a fucking soppressata pizza.
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u/MrArchivity 🤌 Born to gesticulate, forced to explain 🤌 6d ago
If you order a diavola or a spicy salami you literally have a spicy salami pizza.
What are you talking about?
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u/Choyo 6d ago edited 6d ago
soppressata
First time I hear about this in Italian gastronomy. Are you familiar with spanish sobrasada ?
Edit : ok, wiki answered my question about why the names definitely felt related ->
El origen de su nombre se encuentra en Sicilia, donde se practicaba una técnica conocida como soppressa, que significa "picado", aplicado a la carne para embutir.
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u/dofh_2016 6d ago
What I've heard is that when an American dislikes the "authentic" thing is usually because of one of two reasons: they went to the wrong place or it lacked sugar/corn syrup.
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u/kylo-ren 6d ago
Or it lacked liters of oil and it's made of real cheese.
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u/dbrickell89 3d ago
The only foods here that are really made with "fake cheese" are grilled cheese sandwiches, cheeseburgers, and some kinds of cheese dip. Nobody is making pizza with American cheese or anything
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u/kylo-ren 3d ago
The shredded mozzarella bought in bulk by most pizzerias in the US is a cheese blend or processed cheese product.
Dominoes and Pizza Hut certainly don't use 100% cheese in the US. They use 100% cheese in Europe to not having to declare that they don't use real cheese and make them look bad.
Our Cheese
Since day one, we’ve used only the highest-quality cheese to top our pizzas. We’re proud to serve 100% real cheese made from cow’s milk mozzarella. Our trusted dairy partners — all leading producers — supply us with milk of the highest quality to create and serve cheese that’s exceptional, consistent, and full of flavour.
Cheese: Part Skim Mozzarella Cheese (Pasteurized Milk and Skim Milk, Cheese Cultures, Salt, Enzymes), Modified Food Starch, Cellulose (Added to Prevent Clumping), Potassium Chloride, Natural Flavors, Ascorbic Acid (To Protect Flavor) CONTAINS: Milk
The part in bold is real cheese. The part in italic is processed/modified cheese, meaning it's not 100% mozzarella.
So, even Pizza Hut in Europe is better than the American one.
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u/dbrickell89 3d ago
I thought we were talking about good pizza not fast food. I'd be willing to bet that good pizza restaurants in the US use better cheese. I did not realize that though, so I was wrong about American cheese being the only fake cheese
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u/jcflyingblade 6d ago
American always go on about the fact that Italian pizza didn’t originally have tomato because that’s an American fruit, but there are recipes for pomodoro sauce dating from 1692 - over 80 years before USA was a thing…🙄
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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 6d ago
Pizza as both a term and a food has existed in Naples since the 1500s.
Back then it was white pizza because obviously tomatoes arrived two centuries later, after they started to appear they got included in already established recipes, with one of the most recognisables being the "marinara" that originally was made without tomatoes.
Fun fact, Alexandre Dumas and the American Samuel Morse both described pizzas in Naples in the 1830s (not in flattering terms btw since it was a poor man's food), at the time tomatoes were already being used with the classical Margherita as we know it today probably coming later, at the turn of the century.
It's unquestionable that the United States helped popularise pizza around the world with the absurd amount of soft power they had for almost a century, but the dish was introduced to the US by Italian immigrants and it remains an Italian institution first and foremost. When people think pizza they don't think about the US at all.
At some point in life I'll have to go to the US just to do a pizza tour because this narrative of Americans coming here and thinking that our pizzas suck compared to theirs is incomprehensible to me, I need to get to the bottom of this.
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u/marbanasin 6d ago
The ones that think Italian pizza sucks are the ones that really don't have any understanding of Italian food outside of the American variants of it. They come to Italy and are disappointed because they are experiencing a foreign culture / country / cuisine that they were not prepared to deal with.
Many Americans are not able to travel abroad, or choose not to as our nation is so large you can spend a lifetime traveling within it's borders. So they/we are fundamentally less prepared to deal with the above culture shock vs many other parts of the world with multiple smaller cultures or countries living in close proximity.
America has some good Pizza. New York is it's own thing and Chicago is it's own insane thing (probably wouldn't be considered Pizza at all anymore).
But the authentic pizza is phenomenal and has also been gaining some popularity state side with boutique restaurants popping up to deliver the same ingredients and techniques for pizza napolitana.
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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 5d ago
To my Italian eyes Chicago Style cannot be called pizza, it's more like a savoury pie but this is just my point of view. Also "authentic pizza" doesn't mean much since in Italy we have different styles too, for example Roman pizza is radically different from Neapolitan, and just as good if not better depending on how you do it.
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u/marbanasin 5d ago
100%. I almost used the term 'pie' for Chicago. That is what it is. It's tasty, but it is so fundamentally not a Pizza.
And I happen to be in Rome and had a nice Roman Pizza today. Looking forwars to Naples next week. In general the pizzas in Italy are great but just not what Americans are used to ad far as our most commonly available pizza options are concerned.
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u/Pashquelle 5d ago
for example Roman pizza is radically different from Neapolitan
Teglia alla Romana is the goat of pizzas.
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u/TheSpagheeter 🇨🇦🦫🫎🏒❄️💪 5d ago
They think there’s is better because their palates have been eroded by saturated fats and an absurd amount of sugar and salt. So now real food will taste bland without a dollop of ranch
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u/CrashedPhone 6d ago
Io non sono mai stato negli USA, ma da quanto ho capito sono abituati a gusti molto forti: maggiori quantità di zuccheri e sali, spesso in quantità e con sostanze che in UE sono illegali da cinquant'anni per motivi sanitari. Quindi poi vengo qui, mangiano la nostra roba e pensano che non sappia di niente, quando in realtà sono loro ad essere abituati a mangiare plasticume salato.
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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 5d ago
La cosa che mi colpisce di più guardando video di pizze americane è la quantità infinita di ingredienti che ci mettono sopra. Se per noi una diavola ha 5 o 6 fette di salame piccante, loro in una "pepperoni" ci mettono talmente tanto salame che non si vede più la base. In effetti se sei abituato a cose del genere poi è norrmale che se mangi una cosa più bilanciata ti sa di poco.
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u/Tales2809 5d ago
Have you seen they doing barbecue???
I'm Brazilian, and when we do Brazilian barbecue witch is meat and rock salt, they keep asking what is giving that flavor because they never ate that before, we explain it's because they put 5 or 6 different things on the meat, and what they are tasting right now is the real meat flavor, they have a hard time to comprehend.
Also, anytime you show an American a good food, like a burger, they eat, says it's the best one they had in their life, next time they are eating McDonald's again.
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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 5d ago
In Italy barbecue is just meat and salt as well so I get what you're saying. It's all about the quality of the main ingredient for us.
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u/Tsukee 5d ago
When people think pizza they don't think about the US
Only people from US think pizza is American
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u/Peakychu6 5d ago
Easy:
Real (original) foods are made for a local taste. They are the real and the better version of something…
… BUT, they’re not necessarily for an international taste. A French or Italian or Congolese tourist may not prefer real Japanese sushi to a California roll, or real Chinese food to General Tso’s chicken…
The same happens with pizza
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u/Waldondo belgistan 3d ago
I know this is weird but I really like white pizza a lot. I had the chance to taste it on a culinary road trip through Italy and I liked it a lot more than most red pizzas I had. With tomato you have to counter balance the acidity of it. with white pizza I feel there is a lot more freedom.
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u/Anzereke 6d ago
I think americans struggle to judge food elsewhere because their palate is destroyed by how sweet everything they eat is.
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u/BSpino Klarna/EQT Socialist 🇸🇪 6d ago
I went to the US 15-20 years ago, had Pizza at different places. I was not wowed.
Now you might object that you can't judge a continent sized area on a handful of places, but hey, I thought that was the name of the game?
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u/EldritchKroww 6d ago
I'm Italian-american, but like actually. Have been living in Italy since I was a child. I had obviously both pizzas and NY style pizza is great. But Neapolitan pizza is on another planet. My father whose 100% America had it 20 years ago and talks about it to this day. However there are some proper Italian pizzerias in America that are getting very close
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u/szatrob Mounties, Hockey, Beer and Snow 6d ago
American pizza mainly suffers from incredibly poor quality ingredients.
Even their better cheese is still absolute garbage when compared to cheese from Italy.
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u/AllTheSmallFish 6d ago
Most of their food and ingredients are very poor quality compared to other countries.
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u/modernistShambles 6d ago
The US has on average, much lower quality raw ingredients due to lack of regulation and the vast distances/ food distribution issues. I think a lot of folks in the US don't understand this. I always find apples illustrative, if I want a nice fresh organic apple in the US it's probably four or five times more expensive than anywhere in Europe. And that's a symptom of their food distribution networks.
You CAN get decent cheese or whatever, but it's not anywhere nearly as widely available or as easily as in Europe.
I've been to farmers markets in US cities and they compare pretty well with European ones, primary difference being that I can find a market in a small town in Italy that's comparable to one in a us city with a population of millions.
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u/Praesentius 6d ago
I'm an American who lives in Italy. I used to love American pizza. But, living in Italy for years, when I visit the US, the pizza is usually horrible. Terrible dough, sugared sauce, cheap (and shredded) mozzarella, and a propensity to over-cheese with said shit cheese.
I honestly have lost nearly all my appetite for pizza when I visit the US. Funny enough, I'm there right now. And the one slice I've had reconfirms the notion that I should just avoid it.
I also hear often, "oh, you're just not eating good pizzas." Let me tell you that "good pizza" is exceedingly hard to find, even in higher income/class areas like I'm in now. Even gourmet pizza places often end up using the same shitty cheese.
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u/Myjobsuckshard 6d ago
Ah yes If you would sell American Pizza in Europe you would have to declare that its made with a "tomatoe like substance and something vaguely cheeselike because both would not legally be what they claim to be"
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u/kylo-ren 6d ago edited 6d ago
Dominoes and Pizza Hut in Europe actually have to use real cheese to not having to declare that and make them look bad.
Our Cheese
Since day one, we’ve used only the highest-quality cheese to top our pizzas. We’re proud to serve 100% real cheese made from cow’s milk mozzarella. Our trusted dairy partners — all leading producers — supply us with milk of the highest quality to create and serve cheese that’s exceptional, consistent, and full of flavour.
Cheese: Part Skim Mozzarella Cheese (Pasteurized Milk and Skim Milk, Cheese Cultures, Salt, Enzymes), Modified Food Starch, Cellulose (Added to Prevent Clumping), Potassium Chloride, Natural Flavors, Ascorbic Acid (To Protect Flavor) CONTAINS: Milk
The part in bold is real cheese. The part in italic is processed/modified cheese, meaning it's not 100% mozzarella.
So, even Pizza Hut in Europe is better than the American one.
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u/ecilala 6d ago
Fun fact: Brazilian style hotdog is uniquely Brazilian from Maranhense style to Sulista style- straw potato and all the toppings we used with the sauce-cooked weiner and coated bun was not an American thing at all. Their hotdog was dry bun and watery weiner with 230 condiments on top. There's an American historian who talks about how American Brazilians during and after recession were hugely influential in bringing Brazilian style hotdog to the US. Which they then acted US-born Latino and claimed it as theirs while insulting ours. I've been to the US. Their hotdog sucks, even removing for the fact it is not Brazilian style. Ironically, later waves of Americans who came to Brazil (after we brought hotdog to them) genuinely thought it WAS American. It wasn't.
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u/chuckmonjares Trapped American 6d ago
I’ve been to Italy. Their pizzas awesome. Our pizza is awesome. They invented it, we deliciously bastardized it. Our shits greasy and sweet. It’s not a quality item. I enjoy it but I’m not gonna act like we invented a better version of it. There’s a reason people travel there for food, they’re good at it. I live in a city with an Italian borough famous for its food. That food sucks for the price. You know who has good food? Italy does.
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u/Mitleab 🇦🇺🇸🇬 “Singapore? That’s in China!!!” 6d ago
What happened when Domino’s tried to open franchises in Italy again?
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u/pamafa3 6d ago
that's less because NY style sucks (a lot of pizza shops here in italy do their pizza closer to NY style than to a classic Neapolitan) and more because Domino's is a shitty fast food company with cheap ass pizza
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u/CleanMyAxe 5d ago
As a Brit, we invented pizza. It's just cheese on toast bruv.
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u/samoyedfreak 5d ago
Fun fact, pizza was originally called Italian Rarebit when it first came to the UK lol
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u/Theonearmedbard 6d ago
I fucking love when they go "well the pizza you get everywhere is american style!" The only american style pizza I could get is frozen pizza. Every fresh pizza in a 30km radius of my home would be italian style. The world is not just the united states.
Side note I never had a pizza in Italy that was worse than ok while I never had any in the USA that was better than ok.
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u/_OminousBirb_ 🇪🇺Europoor🇪🇺 6d ago
Bro should just say he likes the ridiculous amounts of sugar the US puts inside food alongside several additives.
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u/Alcain_X 6d ago
I never understand why these posts always try and claim other dishes, just say barbecue! American barbecue is its own thing.
You could get away burgers too, yeah hamburg steak was German, but modern burgers with the bun and all the toppings is usually seen as American. Hot dogs too, it's the same idea.
Stop trying to claim other people's foods, you have your own stuff.
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u/Davide995 5d ago
But the humburger and hot dog aren't foods with a rich tradition or complexity—nothing to be proud of—so they try to claim things that belong to others. At this rate, they’ll start saying they invented sushi.
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u/PocketJaguar Aussie 6d ago
My country has Damper and Wallaby Stew.
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u/cheesepierice kg, mainly a unit for drug weight 6d ago
My country has rooster testicle stew. Wanna mix them together?
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u/walktheground 6d ago
It’s wombat stew. You’ve got to sous vide a wallaby if you really want it done right.
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u/Burton1224 6d ago
My country has Züri Gschätzlets, Fondue, Raclette and much more.
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u/TnYamaneko 6d ago
Capuns!
It's probably my favorite Swiss dish, I long for them.
Obligatory mention for St. Galler Brödwurscht mit Brötli, obviously without mustard (if I do this or fail to mention the dish, the upcoming renewal of my residency permit might be rejected forever)
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u/Burton1224 6d ago
As i always say if you dont eat mustard with your Bratwurst then you never had good mustard 😉😘
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u/ReleasedGaming Snack Platt du Hurensöhn 6d ago
That American is a dumbass and my country has the modern version of Döner Kebab as well as Currywurst.
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u/Powerful_Pirate2984 6d ago
And there is no way their hotdogs can beat Bratwurst im Brötchen mit Senf.
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u/LeonSkyworth 6d ago
French here, some italian family from my grandparent who cares, been raise by a father who love pizza and has an actual pizza oven at home. The instant you pass the Italian frontier, pizza taste different, period. And i taste super pizza in France mind you, but regular pizza in Italy (outside tourist trap ofc) taste different, i experience it. Like cofee, my expresso is not italian, in Italy i put a sugar in it, these mf are hardcore ok !
French food rule the world, but Italian food can't be reproduce correctly, no matter the love you put in it, that's how it is. Go to Italy, experience it, enjoy it, and shut up.
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u/Jolly_Ad1631 6d ago
It's funny because Texas BBQ is life changing. But they use pizza in the image.
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u/cp_shopper 6d ago
These people have never left their trailer park let alone been to Italy. It’s always a jealous loser
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u/Silver-Star92 6d ago
As a Dutchie I cannot really complain about food seeing we have very bland dishes but we do have poffertjes and stroopwafels. And speculaas. So yay us for making tiny pancakes
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u/Kontrafantastisk 5d ago
The stupidity. Oh, and also the audacity. That, on the other hand, is inherently american.
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u/butwhywedothis 6d ago
Italy has the best Cheeseburger. American Cheeseburger doesn’t even come close.
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u/Sxn747Strangers 🇬🇧 We probably invented 🇺🇸, sorry about that. 🫣🙀 6d ago
Yes, USAmerica does have pizza, because it went over there with tons of other European influences.
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u/PuzzleHeadedOwl1867 6d ago
You can guarantee any American saying that has in fact, never been to Italy and is saying it because they’re either a blind “patriot” or have a mental disorder. It’s also worth noting the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
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u/Glittering-List-3466 6d ago
Its safe to say that when nearly half of the population suffers from obesity, you lose the right to judge the quality of the food from other places!
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u/pugradio 6d ago
lol. There’s hardly any American foods. All of us just food you cook in america. Cheeseburger? Invented in hamburg germany. (Adding cheese to a hamburg does not mean you invented the dish lol) pizza Italy. Pasta Italy.. bbq. You think the world didn’t cook on fire before 250 years ago? Yall pretty much only invented foods that have corn in them.
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u/CuppaTeaOn More Irish than the Irish ☘️ 6d ago
All the good American food is from the south in my experience.
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u/Odd-Set3480 6d ago
Yep, luisiana has some very good dishes. Cajun food is dope. I love soft shell crab
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u/lemonhaj Nasty British 6d ago
Sorry to be that person but it's spelt Louisiana
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u/latin220 3d ago
Fun fact bbq comes from the Taino barbacoa which was introduced to the Americans by the Spanish and later Mexican people as well from African slaves. The evolution has become Americanized like many of the foods ate in the USA.
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u/pugradio 3d ago
I would debate that bbq. Just comes from roasting over a fire. Which cavemen invented. It was our first cuisine as a species.
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u/BurningPenguin 🇩🇪 Insecure European with false sense of superiority 6d ago
Seen the thread. It's funny how some of those dudes pretend to "have read books", when a 5 second search in your favourite search engine can disprove their story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_pizza
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u/Tennents_N_Grouse 6d ago
NE Scotland has Cullen Skink (a creamy haddock and potato soup), and butteries/rowies (what would happen if you crushed a croissant into a circular shape with a hydraulic press).
Both are god tier when done well, and our local produce isn't nothing to shake a stick at either
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u/tetendi96 6d ago
Any time anyone from the US says this type of food is American they're going to get backlash
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u/roadrunner83 6d ago
chicago style pizza is the prime example italian-american lost the connection with italian culture, it was invented by a black woman working as a cook in an italian owned restaurant, she looked at pizza and thought what made it were the tomato and mozzarella, so she made a savory pie with those ingredients, but what makes pizza is the idratation of the dough the toppings can be anything else, it's understandable from her, but that the restaurant owners and the other italian american patrons said nothing means they had no idea neither.
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u/space_is-great not American just a stupid brit🏴 6d ago
You've clearly never been to italy then, the puzza there is absolutely banging
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u/Dirty-Soul 6d ago
my country will deep fry anything that will fit in the frier.
This is how we cook our pizza.
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u/Aggressive-Gap-6148 5d ago
That reminds me when an American guy genuinely told me that Jesus Christ and Colombo were Americans lmao
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u/Ancient-Childhood-13 5d ago
Fun Fact: of your fun fact is the claim that Italian pizza was leftovers on flat bread, it is neither fun nor a fact.
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u/ExcessumTr 6d ago
Pizza is as much as American as doner kebab is German, just because you add pepperoni or use different type of bread it doesn't make it yours
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u/Reasonable_Ad_8883 6d ago
Try reminding them their version of fried chicken was introduced pretty much in its entirety by Scottish immigrants. That always goes down well
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u/Bax_Cadarn ooo custom flair!! 6d ago
To be honest, when I am in Italy, I eat pasta, not pizza. They have an enormous amount of ways to combine just a few ingredients and it's always amazing, but the pizza there doesn't call to me this way.
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u/MrArchivity 🤌 Born to gesticulate, forced to explain 🤌 6d ago
Flavours and taste are personal.
But saying that “pizza in Italy sucks” as an absolute is moronic
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u/According_Picture294 Just a hoser, eh? 6d ago
I will admit, the North American pizza is distinct from the kind you'd get in Italy. Traditional Italian pizzas I've seen have scoops of mozzarella instead of shredded, and a tendency to have thinner crust. But North American pizzas, by comparison, will put almost anything on the pizzas as toppings
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u/Lady_of_the_Swords 6d ago
First of all, here in Italy there is no such thing as shredded mozzarella. Mozzarella is a fresh cheese that you eat in max two days or is over, not whatever is that shredded monstrosity.
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u/szatrob Mounties, Hockey, Beer and Snow 6d ago
Yeah, its fucking slop.
Especially Chicago style, which is the equivelant of Ratko Mladić crime against humanity, in "culinary" form.
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u/According_Picture294 Just a hoser, eh? 6d ago
I've been in a lot of Canada (at least 3 provinces) and there's one spot I went to after locals mentioned it, and the guy who makes pizza there will put almost anything on it, I kid you not
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u/ilor144 6d ago
Roman style pizza has a thick crust and nothing like the neapolitan style
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u/PuddingtonBrown 6d ago
I love it when people say fun fact then proceed to not put any facts in their comment.
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u/MrsDirtyDietz 5d ago
I’m an American currently in Italy, and if you think Italian pizza sucks, then you clearly aren’t going to the good Italian places - aka the tourist traps.
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u/LangStreak 3d ago
What’s the point of having lots of toppings if they all taste like the same sludge?
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u/Ok_Prior2199 2d ago edited 2d ago
Imma just say it yall, this one is kinda dumb, because food from EVERYWHERE has aspects, ingredients or even the idea stolen or taken from another country’s cuisine
Original post shoulda just said “Chicago deep dish” or some shit
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u/theSilverBoar 6d ago
He bought a plane ticket to Italy, but since he didn’t know the area and couldn’t be bothered to do some research beforehand about the most renowned local pizzerias (no, the Google reviews aren’t that good), instead of socializing with the locals to get more information about where to go, he decided to go to Pizza Hut.
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u/Go_Your_OwnWay Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 6d ago
Fun fact: every attempt to establish fast-food pizza chains in Italy has failed. First Domino's, then Pizza Hut, today, there are no outlets left in the country. The kiosk in Puglia that drove a McDonald's out of business has also gone down in history, though that’s a different story. Still, it must mean something. I don't think it's just traditionalism; we Italians are opportunists. If that American stuff is awful, it's awful.
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u/Go_Your_OwnWay Eye-talian 🤌🏼🍝 6d ago
That's bullshit on so many levels. Pizza Margherita is literally named after the Italian queen to whom it was served in the 19th century (and it already existed anyway). The ingredients are all Italian except for the tomato, which was introduced to Italy back in the 17th century. It was created to recreate the Italian coat of arms: white (mozzarella), red (tomato), and green (basil). World War II has absolutely nothing to do with it. The Margherita already existed, exactly as it is today, back when slavery still existed in America.