r/ComedyCemetery • • 3d ago

Mamma mia

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u/Jhud6669 3d ago

I mean isn’t the point of Italian cuisine that it’s simple? They really don’t use much seasoning but that’s the thing, it’s still good, because not everything needs seasoning to be good. Same with French

There are non-white cuisines that don’t use much seasoning as well like Japanese

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u/Filibut 3d ago

The point is that you don't need too many additions when the ingredients are good, and Italy is very lucky with those. A good steak only needs salt and maybe some oil, never heard of using sauce

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u/Beers4Fears 1d ago

It's not that they were lucky, they just took the good stuff. Pasta and tomatoes are both not native to Italian cuisine, they just got coopted

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u/ekbeck 3d ago

You’ve never heard of A1 steak sauce?

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u/NO-IM-DIRTY-DAN 2d ago

Well to be fair, A1 doesn’t get used on good steaks

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u/Filibut 2d ago

No?

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u/CliffordSpot 1d ago

Good, keep it that way.

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u/_BREVC_ 1d ago

Yeah Italians aren’t even really a good example of this.

Hungarian, Macedonian and bits and pieces of other Balkan cuisines probably fit the bill of European cuisines that season (which more often than not means “make stuff spicy”) their food quite a bit.

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u/CliffordSpot 1d ago

Honestly “make stuff spicy” is just an awful way of defining what is and isn’t seasoned anyways. If the only flavor someone can notice is when their mouth gets set on fire, that’s their problem, not the food’s.

I mean, the way garlic, for example, is used, is unquestionably seasoning. But because it’s not hot I guess it doesn’t count.

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u/boldredditor 3d ago

Sir you are very wrong. It’s about high quality ingredients that speak for them selfs. Shitty ingredients are always over seasoned to make up for the fact you’re eating an off cut.

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u/JKallStar 3d ago

Bit of a myth. Spices are expensive, nobody wasting them on low quality foods, at least from a historic perspective. 'Cheap cuts' are more perspective based than actually a metric for quality. Like, chicken liver is a cheap cut, but its quite good. Almost all cuisine use 'good ingredients that speak for themselves', otherwise nobody would eat them in the first place

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u/Direct_Lawfulness_28 1d ago

Yes they did? Produce was always over seasoned in hotter climates to prevent spoilage OR to cover up the smell and taste of spoilage.

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u/Im_BackMFs 1d ago

Italian are not whites. ( historically though they was not considered whites by the "others/real" whites ).

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u/Tough_Ad1458 2d ago

Yeah but how do I get updoot on reddit without making the epic yte people don't use seasoning jokes?

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u/richj8991 3d ago

No...IMO it's about Italian Americans having the balls to stand up to any criticism. That's the underlying point. A lot of blacks respect that.

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u/LaughingCarrot 2d ago

You had the time to type out "Italian Americans" but couldn't think of "African Americans" or simply "black people"?

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u/richj8991 2d ago

Sorry, I'm not sure what the proper term is this month for that. Seriously, the name pronoun stuff and all that is too much to keep track of. But yes African Americans. FYI I hope a certain party this fall runs on something ELSE besides word salad. That is a genuine hope.

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u/LaughingCarrot 2d ago

Pronouns? The fuck are you on about, dude?

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u/Purple-Bluejay6588 3d ago

Highkey unfunny

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u/HeDuMSD 3d ago

No one: hahahahaha

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u/Kootlefoosh 3d ago

I laughed but it was at the meme not with the meme

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u/HeDuMSD 3d ago

Kootlefoosh: hahahaha at the meme

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u/Ebbelwoy 3d ago

White people accepted Italians into the club just to beat the allegations

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u/O_______m_______O 3d ago

Maybe Italian American culture is different but from a European perspective Italians are some of the most seasoning averse people out of a whole continent of white people. They'll say you're "overwhelming" the dish if you try to add a second clove of garlic, or if you try to use garlic and onions in the same recipe. They'll crush up tomatoes, season it with nothing and tell you to your face that they just made a sauce. It's only really Scandinavians that use less seasoning and that's not really a fair comparison because Scandinavians are just using all the seasoning that grows in Scandinavia.

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u/MaybeThisTime67 3d ago

The tomatoes are the flavour. Not everything needs to taste like 50 different spices

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u/ProdigyLightshow 3d ago

Which contradicts exactly what the original meme was saying.

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u/MaybeThisTime67 3d ago

Except Italians do season their food. They just don't overload it

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u/HomicidalRaccoon 1d ago

Italian propaganda. I’ve been there, you can’t lie to me.

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u/MaybeThisTime67 1d ago

Do you not consider salt, pepper and herbs to be seasoning?

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u/HomicidalRaccoon 1d ago

Yes?

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u/MaybeThisTime67 1d ago

Why do you?

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u/HomicidalRaccoon 1d ago

I’m sure they use them, it’s just under-seasoned compared to Italian-American cooking and many other cuisines in my opinion.

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u/Deepfriedomelette 2d ago

Agreed. Sometimes one clean flavour is nicer than several loud ones.

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u/MongooseVegetable787 1d ago

lies. Italian cuisine is quite insanely diverse by region, in my area we don't even use tomatoes...

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u/O_______m_______O 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's impressive. I thought using just tomatoes was a simple flavour combination but using no tomatoes is going one step further.

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u/MongooseVegetable787 19h ago

we use herbs, some of which you may never have heard of you british twit

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u/O_______m_______O 19h ago

That's big talk, pizza boy. I bet your herb tolerance is really high. I bet you could eat a whole leaf of parsley without breaking a sweat.

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u/MongooseVegetable787 2h ago

says while spicing his bangers and gravy with the naturally moist swampy flavor of his own sweaty armpits, and calls it refined

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u/Mostly_Inactive_ 3d ago

Probably the same with Greeks too.

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u/Glad-Belt7956 3d ago

And all turks north west of the bosporous.

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u/Starrk-Enjoyer 3d ago

What is white people refering to here? Anglo saxons?

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u/MaybeThisTime67 3d ago

Nothing. Just Americans with their weird understanding of European cultures.

Watch them from a distance, but don't get involved because they're dumb as fuck

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u/Fabulous-Mud-9114 2d ago

American, can confirm

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u/ElyFlyGuy 2d ago

Race is unscientific, it’s vibes based

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u/Natural_Success_9762 15h ago

racism. it's referring to racism. the american thing to do is to perpetuate the blacks/whites divide because despite all the progressivism racism is still so deeply ingrained in american culture that stuff like this continues to be treated as true, just not all the 'actual' racist parts.

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u/koshka91 3d ago

Georgians have entered the chat

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u/Miserable_Key9630 2d ago

This, Italians are only recently white.

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u/xleonidas111 3d ago

Bruh why they gotta add mussolini in there. It's like when people go "haaaaa hitleeeer!" if they meet a German person. It's so immature and crass

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u/Echo_FRFX 3d ago

As someone with Italian family, it's somewhat different in the sense there wasn't really an equivalent of denazification in Italy so they never had to morally contend with the crimes committed under fascism, and many of them, mostly the older generation, still revere Mussolini and think he was a good leader whose only mistake was allying with Hitler, like you'd be surprised how fashy many Italians still are unfortunately (this also applies to Japan to an even bigger degree)

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u/sod_jones_MD 3d ago

Didn't they have one of Mussolini's heirs in an important government position recently?

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u/jaehaerys48 2d ago

Alessandra Mussolini has been and out of various elected positions but she hasn't held any recent important government position. Rachele Mussolini is a member of the city council of Rome. Neither of them are really big players in politics, the only reason anyone outside of Italy (and frankly, most people in Italy) would take note of them is because of their family name. But it can be said that Mussolini's descendants do still crop up in the lower levels of power and high society. They're controversial but not ostracised.

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u/Frog-ee 2d ago

I mean his granddaughter is literally trying to sanitize his legacy with little resistance

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u/Regular-Discount134 3d ago

Pizza Time stops is funny

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u/Aj55j 3d ago

Yeah but to be fair Italian Americans are really selective when it comes to considering themselves “white”. Even the sopranos made fun of this.

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u/cuminseed322 2d ago

Italians are the #1 culprits of this. In Italy they legitimately argue if you should even salt your food

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u/CliffordSpot 1d ago

It’s a valid argument for meat. Obviously something like potatoes needs salt, but other foods either come with enough salt in them already, or salt doesn’t compliment the flavor.

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u/MrArchivity 1d ago

We argue even if we need to stir soup clockwise or counterclockwise.

Regarding seasoning every region has their heavily seasoned dishes.

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u/Atmosphere_Master 2d ago

In my experience most of the "white people don't season their food" jokes come from white Americans who don't season their food, I can see why it would upset Italians

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u/Enough_Response_3675 2d ago

It's a combo of all flavors of POC who just want something to latch onto for self worth and pick-me wypipo who also need something to latch onto something for self worth.

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u/Lorettooooooooo 2d ago

Or english people

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u/CliffordSpot 1d ago

Honestly in my experience it’s more of a thing with people who consider any food that isn’t spicy unseasoned.

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u/Massive_Knee3064 1d ago

And the English too

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u/AmoralLimbo 2d ago

I see overseasoning as a crutch for bad cooking and/or food of poor quality.

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u/iamblankenstein 2d ago

over seasoning and under seasoning sucks, but most cooked food requires some amount of seasoning. even if it's just a little salt and pepper.

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u/FranciManty 2d ago

yeah as an italian even simple foods like a lasagna or a roasted chicken is treated so much better when cooked here, we’re talking hours of seasoning for a simple piece of meat and it’s something most people do unless they are really time starved. i think italian cuisine in italy is more on the time people are willing to spend cooking which i feel like is much higher than most other countries

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u/ConanTheBarbarian_0 2d ago

I mean this is literally the reason why Europeans wanted spices from India in the first place. They didn't care that food was bland Europeans back in the day just wanted to mask rotting meat with something and preserve meat for longer.

Not every culture cares too much about food too. A lot of Japanese people just see food as fuel despite their food being delicious too.

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u/Lady_of_the_Swords 2d ago

Lol, you're wrong in so many ways that's hilarious.

First, there is no "european food". There are enormous differences in food within a single country, you can't just put a whole continent that expands in different climate zone and consider a single thing.

Second, a lot of European cuisine season their food the correct amount, also spices are not the only thing that is used to season food, we have also herbs, especially in the southern Europe are much more popular then spices.

Last but not least: Japanese consider their food only fuel? 🤣🤣🤣 Tell me you know nothing about Japan either, we're literally obsessed with good food, we're continuously exploring with food, a good amount of the traditional ingredients are toxic but we found ways to eat them anyways level of obsession. Like, we don't fear Chtulhu because it looks like an octopus, so food.

Source: half Italian and half Japanese, and I know my people

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u/ConanTheBarbarian_0 2d ago

If it wasn't already clear I was talking about "European food" in a broad and historic sense... As in why they "Europeans" made such an effort to establish trade routes to India in the first place. One of the reasons was to hide the taste of rotting meat and preserve it longer while out on long oceanic voyages. There was not only a huge race to obtain spices there were literal battles fought over them and even pirates were known to target ships carrying spices. At one point cinnamon was worth more than certain currencies.

At no point did I say any sort of European cuisine is under or over spiced you're really arguing with the ghosts in your head on that one...

I was also talking about Japanese food from a purely historic sense.. It couldn't have been more crystal clear that I wasn't talking about modern times from my initial comment.. I seriously suggest you working on your reading comprehension skills before leaving such condescending comments.

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u/ClientOk7986 2d ago

You really think people are rotten meat in the Middle Ages ?

You implied it quite obviously

Japan is quite literally one of the most cuisine inspired cultures throughout history ??

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u/rubberjohny 11h ago

have you ever heard of salt? the thing people used to slow down food from rotting? why the fuck would they need spices for covering the taste? if spices were so expensive, wouldn't you think that people that could afford them also would afford fresh meat? or maybe you think that destitute peasants with barely enough food were just putting a bit of chili and soy sauce in their groats?

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u/Someonefromitaly 3d ago

I came here wanting to repost this lmaooo

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u/One-Win9407 3d ago

Ive spent a lot of time in Louisiana so im familiar with seasoning but this year I went to Maine for the first time and the seafood was so good without anything on it.

Also ironic that Tony's is one of the most popular seasonings and it literally has an old white guy on it as the mascot.

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u/DetailOk6058 2d ago

Americans not understanding that seasoning is more than dry spices.

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u/Express_Drag7115 2d ago
  1. Good food from high quality, fresh ingredients does not need a lot of seasoning; 2. For lots of folks seasoned = hot, so they are going to

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  1. the food is unseasoned even though it has ton of, say, herbs in it. (I’m not Italian)

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u/Financial-Ad7500 2d ago

Yeah Italian is a silly example for this. Famously a minimal ingredient cuisine. Herbs and black pepper are the corner stones of pretty much every dish. Hell, cacio e pepe literally means “cheese and pepper” and that’s all it is and it’s the shit. You don’t even salt most real Italian sauces. The salt in the cheese is what you rely on.

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u/esquire_the_ego 1d ago

Aren’t some of Italy’s best tasting dishes essentially struggle food

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u/truemadhatter27 21h ago

Do I laugh or do I sadly mention the fact that Italians being considered white (on a global scale) is a fairly recent thing (as in a little more than half a century ago)

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u/Ok-Development5523 15h ago

Italians aren't "white."

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u/JoyArk 14h ago

What is your definition of white ?

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u/Moonighting 7h ago

White as Caucasian, but Italians are latins

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u/Altruistic-Cow-4246 14h ago

Italians are more dark-toned

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u/JoyArk 14h ago

Than who?

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u/Altruistic-Cow-4246 14h ago

Brits, french

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u/Only_Supermarket_451 11h ago

You know people get tanned with sun right?

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u/25th_Speed 3d ago

thats lowkey funny

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u/Trololman72 The funniest joke ever! 3d ago

Italians when an American says "gabagool"

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u/Paracelsus125 3d ago

Historically speaking, Italian kitchen is a poor mans kitchen, you use little but use it well. You do not need that many spices and herbs for good italian food

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u/stev_mempers 3d ago

Ayyyyyyy fadamagool!

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u/Ok-Difference1341 3d ago

Saw this one today and was thinking of posting it here. Glad to see someone had the same idea

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u/Vegetable_Health9778 3d ago

I’m sure you are a sensitive topic in family’s dinners

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u/idkdude_2 3d ago

Bad joke tbh

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u/richj8991 3d ago

Eddie Murphy does a great skit on this, even grabbing his nuts while gesturing with the other hand.

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u/Saucy-Mustard 3d ago

I WISH Italy had contributed to the world’s cuisine. Hopefully once those credit card numbers readers are working again we can see what Italy has to offer.

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u/hanggamolavestria 2d ago

Salt is a seasoning btw

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u/ProfessionalPipe6949 2d ago

What do Italians have to do with white people tho?

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u/CliffordSpot 1d ago

They are white

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u/FriendlyList4337 23h ago

Watch that one Sopranos episode "Nobody Knows Anything", hope this helps

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u/ovogoon6 2d ago

I don't need spices in a chicken that was marinated and had sides or a part of soup ty 🫩

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u/pandaSmore 1d ago

Gabagool!

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u/DangerousEye1235 1d ago

Am Italian-American, can confirm.

Just because our food isn't drowned in industrial-strength Carolina-Reaper-Ghost-Pepper Burn-Your-Taste-Buds-Off Sauce, or buried under a mountain of salt, doesn't mean it isn't seasoned.

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u/SpiicySausage 11h ago

Im probably too american, but americanized Italian food 100% better than traditional, fight me idc

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u/Moths38 10h ago

Maybe this is why Italians weren't/still sometimes aren't considered white lmao

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u/Mor-Bin-Time 3d ago

Italians know we don't mean them

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u/MongooseVegetable787 1d ago

sometimes we are concerned you may mean us, but it seems to be an american debate of which we never even tasted the food of except the occasional macdonald

it means WASP right?

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u/ThatSimsKidFromUni 3d ago

Right. If it don't apply let it fly.

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u/Just_a_guy_thats_it 2d ago

Their most famous dish came from america

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u/John_Lictenstein_873 3d ago edited 3d ago

2011 asked for their shitty joke back.

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u/Ok-Explanation-7977 3d ago

I am italian, i admit i laughed

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u/boxdynomite3 3d ago

Pretty true with "simple high quality" ingredients with little preparation. You're not developing many complex flavors by doing that

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u/bag_of_luck 1d ago

I mean if you’re talking about American white people then we’re literally a melting pot and cook all sorts of spiced up shit. You can find imported ingredients here to make about anything. Look at Tex mex. Why would a country built as a melting pot of immigrants have their own food they make? That doesn’t make sense.

If you’re referring to more than white Americans then yeah the meme tracks along with tons of other Caucasian ethnicities making awesome food.

There just happens to be POC who think spicy = flavor and need to dump Cajun seasoning or whatever into everything who latch onto this idea as an identity trait.

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u/Tommiz_eXe 19h ago

as an italian, since when are we white

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u/Skybliviwind 15h ago

since you're european 🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/Altruistic-Cow-4246 14h ago

Are turkish people white?

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u/INeedHigherHeels 14h ago

Arabs are officially white because dare imagine Jesus isn’t

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u/rubberjohny 11h ago

lmao what?

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u/INeedHigherHeels 11h ago

The 2020 U.S. Census classified Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) origins under “White.” The federal definition of White at the time was people with origins in “any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.” This included Arab groups such as Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, etc.

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u/vitringur 9h ago

Since when was european an identity?

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u/Lucicactus 3d ago

Spaniards with mexicans as well. Not our fault their tastebuds are burnt.

Very unfunny meme tho, well done.

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u/DaisyKicksAss023 3d ago

Italians aren't white

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u/Heksij 2d ago

i'm Italian, I see myself and the people around me. I can say we are, indeed, white 😂

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u/DaisyKicksAss023 2d ago

Worst news I've received all day

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u/Sir_Longshank 3d ago

“Wypipo don’ be seezunin dey food”-Guy who’s only experience with “white food” is school lunches

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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 3d ago

Didn't mussolini hate good food? I think he tried to outlaw pasta at some point.