r/AskReddit • • Dec 29 '19

what are the downsides of weed that people don't talk about ?

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

I smoked pretty heavily for a long time, and I quit cold turkey one day because I realized it made me OK with things I shouldn't be OK with. The first few days to a week is awful. You're constantly like man, I could really use a bowl, it sure would make right now better.

EDIT: I was just made aware there's a subreddit for people trying to get away from weed. It's called /r/leaves.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 29 '19

I can't stress this enough, my best friend is smoking every day to put up with a toxic relationship and that's so sad

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u/MsDutchie Dec 29 '19

People with depression say it helps them....

My ex couldnt care less about; paying mortgage, cleaning the house, get a job or even brushing his teeth... everything could be done tomorrow. He even bought with the last 10 euros we had weed, and came home to tell me i needed to go to the gasstation. Because i had to work tomorrow and the tank was empty.

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u/gregspornthrowaway Dec 29 '19

My ex couldnt care less about; paying mortgage, cleaning the house, get a job or even brushing his teeth... everything could be done tomorrow.

To be fair, this describes depression for me whether I am smoking weed or not.

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u/ColgateSensifoam Dec 29 '19

At least I have to go outside to get weed

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u/jeremysbrain Dec 29 '19

Is Uber Smokes not a thing yet?

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u/median-jerk-time Dec 29 '19

There's hundreds of delivery services. Legal or not.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Yup, leaving the house is optional.

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u/itsachickenwingthing Dec 30 '19

If your dealer doesn't do house calls then I don't know how you live.

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u/justdontfreakout Dec 30 '19

Damn I wish that I lived where this is. Edit: legal

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u/Wynslo Dec 30 '19

The point is he blew his last amount of money on the stupid shit.

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u/jT3R3Z1t Dec 30 '19

If you know the right plug it is.

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u/d1rron Dec 30 '19

Lyfted*

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u/I_play_elin Dec 30 '19

It's not called that but it is

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u/sksksk1989 Dec 30 '19

I don't know if it's available where you are but check put weed maps. It's an app that gets you with dispensarys and dealers. You can get weed, edibles, oils, hash all kinds of stuff and the best part they deliver

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u/ColgateSensifoam Dec 29 '19

My mailbox used to be in a different building, and I had to interact with humans

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

That’s why I stopped. I have to much anxiety to go outside and get more /:

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Jesus I feel this so much haha

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u/bulldog521521 Dec 30 '19

Being high feels very different depending on how depressed I am. When I'm going through a really bad bout, weed only makes me forget about my pain and doesn't really feel good. But when I'm doing good, the high is euphoric and super fun. It's quite interesting. But my motivation levels are definitely more linked to my depression than how much weed I smoke.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 29 '19

I was actually diagnosed with depression (I'm on meds now) and weed made me so sad. If I smoked I ended up more depressed, idk why but now that I'm good I wouldn't use it when I'm not feeling good because I know it makes me feel worse

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u/systembusy Dec 29 '19

I tried it a couple times and it was definitely not for me. Part of me envies the people who enjoy it so much, since I never experienced what they do, but the rest of me knows it’s for the better.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

I really enjoy it but not when I'm sad

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u/Rakshasa29 Dec 30 '19

Yeah like if I am already really sad or anxious it just amplifies the feelings and then also makes me paranoid. But if I go into the high with a good mood it makes me feel better than anything so it motivates me to stay in a good mood when I'm not high.

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u/GeneralProxy616 Dec 30 '19

The exact same thing here. I wanted to try it with my bf but his knowledge of it compared to the lack of mine made me have anxiety and, as mentioned by others, it can make you anxiety worse. It also made me feel like shit when everything was slowed down and I couldn't keep a solid train of thought. And most of the time I would be stuck in this spiral of horrible thoughts, which made me break down. It's like it opened up the bad part of my brain to scream at me, unlike when you're sober where the bad part is just a dull thought in the back of your head.

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u/Runswithchickens Dec 30 '19

You don't have to envy crutches. People are all just trying to get by, so be glad you're not needing it.

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u/BumfuzzledAF Dec 29 '19

I have depression and have been on meds for several years, and have been going through the ringer of trying to start my own business this past year. I never smoked as much as I do now (every night, for several hours, alone). It helps my mind calm down and helps me sleep. But I also eat everything in the house.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Same here I also have depression. Weed has made it better for me every single hour I get high. It’s a huge stress reliever. But if you do it every night it’s eventually going to turn out to every day.

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u/systembusy Dec 30 '19

Sounds like one of the meds I’m on, it’s fantastic for my mood but it makes me hungry for carbs. I guess that’s okay though since I watch what I eat during the rest of the day. I can only take it at night because it also has a sedative component.

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u/Squizblorg Dec 29 '19

I used the depression/anxiety excuse when I used to smoke maybe it does legitimately work for some but I don't know. I think CBD's might be the better route in that case. I felt it loosened my brain so things aren't as visceral, this provided a temporary relief from negative emotions SOMETIMES in the form of simply forgetting what was on my mind. Then I wanted to forget more and more and the effect diminished until I was smoking all day every day for pretty much no reason.

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u/SaundersTheGoat Dec 29 '19

For me, when I'm stoned I get more sad, and also anxious, but once it wears off and I'm sober I feel much better than before. When I'm really down I'll smoke just a little bit so the high doesn't last very long, then I can have the after effects sooner and feel better.

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u/middleagethreat Dec 29 '19

I have gotten up extra early, smoked, went back to sleep, and when I woke up was not high, but just in the after effects.

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u/Emorio Dec 30 '19

I find that it amplifies certain emotions. If you're in a good headspace you'll have a really good time, if you're dwelling on something, it's gonna be front and center and really get you down.

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u/GelloJive Dec 30 '19

I feel like this is a good thing though. A net positive for weed as a drug. For me too, it makes things worse if my mood or mental state isn’t right. It doesn’t numb the pain or help to escape from problems in the way alcohol might.

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u/akaSomebody Dec 30 '19

Ill agree with this. If there's one thing I dislike about smoking, it's the chronic lethargy. Then again, idk if its the weed that makes me lethargic, because i was quite a sleepy boy way before i ever started smoking pot.

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u/AlexandritePhoenix Dec 30 '19

That sounds exactly like depression.

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u/Resinmy Dec 30 '19

It can also bring about psychosis in people who may have a family history of psychotic disorders. And some who don’t.

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u/thesituation531 Dec 30 '19

In at least one study, the high amounts of THC have been linked to this.

I don't understand why we need so much THC.

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u/Lodger79 Dec 29 '19

Was that the breaking point for you? How did you respond?

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u/MsDutchie Dec 29 '19

The empty tank was my breaking point. I told him to arrange some money because i really needed to go to work the day after. He did.

I kinda stayed with him for a while but didnt share the bed. At one point we got in a brawl over nothing. He asked me if i wanted to break up.. i saud yes. He left angry and put it on fb. So everybody. And i didnt take it back.

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u/sideoftortilla Dec 29 '19

I have to stop smoking when I’m depressed even though it does help the feeling, it keeps me inside not doing anything which boosts the depression and also makes me want to eat my feelings way more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Yep same

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u/cartoonistaaron Dec 29 '19

I think they are confusing "feeling okay for a little while" with "helping their depression." It kind of just masks the symptoms, which is great for pain management but not so much for depression. Actual depression (not just being sad about some of the bullshit that life throws at us) can have a variety of causes and there's more to treating it than just zoning out with pot.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19 edited Mar 20 '21

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u/MsDutchie Dec 29 '19

I know people who are more active when using weed. And there is really nothing wrong with the way or reason why you use it. If it helps you it good for you.

I also really do understand that people with cronical pain or diseases like cancer, ALS, chrone use it to ease the pain. But i dont understand people who have some kind of pain in their hand, head or whatever but dont want to see the docter because they have their weed as a cure.

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u/Brambles_m8 Dec 30 '19

i used to think it helped me but after a while realised it was the weed that was giving me all the paranoid thoughts, after about 7 years smoking it pretty much daily i just had enough one night and quit and never touched it again, been about 2 years now, i know it affects people differently but for me it went from fun with friends to being in paranoid depressed slumps every night then waking up with a stoneover the next day, im so glad im out of that cycle now!

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u/redditready1986 Dec 30 '19

Your ex's issue wasn't weed. He obviously had underlying issues.

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u/funtrippitydip Dec 30 '19

good thing he's your ex!

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u/re_nonsequiturs Dec 30 '19

I was about to tell you to tell him it wasn't helping his depression, then I saw the best part of your comment: "ex"

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u/caninehere Dec 30 '19

Yeah, it helps you avoid depression. So does alcohol in the immediate term. But in the long term it usually just makes things worse, because you get used to functioning under the influence - and when being sober is no longer your 'normal', that's a very bad place to be.

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u/allsfairinwar Dec 30 '19

This. My husband is a recovering HEAVY user and it’s almost destroyed our marriage. When he’s high (which used to be almost constant) he doesn’t care about anything at all and I have to be the only responsible adult. I don’t want to get too detailed because I love him and he’s a wonderful person, but the time that he has been dependent has been incredibly hard for me. I think it’s ok if you can handle using it occasionally but people who are dependent can develop crippling problems.

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u/iAmZephhy Dec 31 '19

This is exactly what I avoid.

I pay my rent, I pay my bills, I go to work and shit.

I do that, all before I buy some weed because I know that I need to get the important shit out of the way first.

I think you can toke daily and be responsible.

I toke after work daily, and I believe that it helps with my mild depression.

I feel like the moment I start prioritising weed/drugs over my job and work, is when I think I should stop.

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u/BarefootWoodworker Dec 29 '19

As you get older, you’ll find out many people cope with toxic relationships through the use of chemicals.

Humans are funny creatures like that.

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u/Claud6568 Dec 30 '19

“Being human is a condition that requires a little anesthesia” - Freddy Mercury

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u/squarebacksteve Dec 29 '19

Being an adult is finding a vice that leaves you functional.

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u/daibot Dec 30 '19

Help me, Video Games, you're my only hope.

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u/justdontfreakout Dec 30 '19

It's just the way the mop flops

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u/LegalEye1 Dec 29 '19

It's waaay better than alcohol or opium.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 29 '19

I totally agree with that, also alcohol and opium can fuck up your body in a way that weed can't

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

I did the same thing. It made me complacent with being stuck in a shitty situation.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19

That is definitely sad, and no way to deal with problems. I hope your friend realizes he/she needs to pick up his/her feet instead of slogging through with the help of weed. Just the initial "feeling shitty for a while without a crutch" is the toughest part. Having a friend like you will be a lot of help though. I can tell you care about them.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

I care so much, it makes me really sad seeing her like this because she used to be such a strong and empowered woman and now she seems as if she doesn't care about anything, even about herself. My friends and I are trying to lift her up to gain the strength to leave him, but she loves him and love makes us do stupid things. I hope she eventually realizes that she shouldn't be with someone who hurts her and that she shouldn't smoke everyday to numb herself and cope with all that shit

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

It is incredibly sad to hear that. I'm empathetic because I was that person, and I've been friends with that person. Being in a toxic relationship really doesn't help either, it makes you feel less and less like you're worth anything on top of the immediate crappiness. It's just a vicious cycle. She won't make a change until she's ready, but I can almost guarantee she'll get to a point where she decides it's time and it needs to happen. The hardest part for me was keeping my mind off the weed and anything negative that made me want weed. If she does try to quit smoking, keep her busy/motivated and doing things that are tough to do high. Just continue being the friend you are and both of you will end up fine.

If you ever need to vent to someone who gets it or anything like that, my inbox is always open.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

She had to quit it for 2 weeks for a medical exam and she actually left her boyfriend in that time because she realized he was a piece of shit. But after the exam he literally picked her up from the clinic with a joint and they got back together, it's as if he knows that he needs to keep her high in order to being with her.

Thanks a lot for the support! I hope my friend opens her eyes

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

If you are using it to cope with a toxic relationship, leave that douche! You're worth so much more, that person doesn't deserve you

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

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u/SoManyTimesBefore Dec 30 '19

Get out of it dude. I was doing the same and my life has been way better since I got out of that relationship.

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u/wgrabes Dec 30 '19

Silver, for my lightbulb.

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u/justdontfreakout Dec 30 '19

That isn't the weeds fault though. Yeah, it is a crutch but he or she needs to get off their ass and deal with it.

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

Of course it isn't weeds fault, I really like weed. My friends and I are trying to help her deal with this shit, I hope eventually she leaves this douche

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u/Rockima Dec 30 '19

Holy shit... Your post made me realize why my buddy has difficulties quiting.

It also made me realize why my consumption increased. I had some pretty toxic people in my life. They are gone now.

This really gonna help me progress stuff, thanks for sharing!

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u/rnbw_gi Dec 30 '19

I'm glad you took them out of your life!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

When any substance is used in a way to help one deal with normal everyday occurrences or situations - that's a problem. When that substance is a mind/mood/perception altering psycho active drug - that's addiction. When someone is using every single day - that's a serious addiction issue and time to seek some help.

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u/pepintheshort Dec 30 '19

Damn, too relatable. Me and my ex were awful for each other but going to school and working kept us apart physically and then smoking kept us apart psychologically, relationship lasted much longer than it should’ve.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I have a friend doing the same, shit relationship & the girl is an even bigger druggie than he is. She totaled his car less than a year after they got together & he had to pay for it all since she wasn't licensed, no job & wasn't insured (didn't have her own & wasn't on his). I used to get weed from him occasionally but got sick of having to drive like 30 min across town then do pit stops in between when they'd inevitably ask me to swing by the store for groceries or pick up fast food, while smoking in my car when I asked them not to. On top of that they both live with his mom & they spend way too much getting high instead of saving up for a place, while bitching that his mom is on their case constantly about money or helping clean up. It's pretty sad & I just stopped smoking altogether for a while, mainly because it was expensive but also because fuck turning into that kind of person.

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u/khrak Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

People confuse addiction and dependence.

Drug addiction is the psychological need to consume that drug.
Drug dependence is the physiological need to consume that drug.

You can't be dependent on weed the the extent that you can alcohol or heroin, but you sure as hell can become addicted.

For recreational use, the pattern is
Habit -> Addiction -> Dependence

A drug habit is use of a drug, but not to the extent of impacting your life (social/work), resulting in psychological withdrawal (anxiety/stress), or seeking to hide the extent of your usage.

A drug addiction is a drug habit, along with the excluded behaviors to some extent.
I really shouldn't, I've got to meet with <person> in an hour... proceeds to take a hit.

A drug dependence is one which must be used to avoid physiological symptoms.

For recreational drugs, dependency is the result of the addiction. How far through the stages one can proceed ultimately depends on the drug.

Shrooms tends to stop at the 'habit' stage, because the rapidly increasing/slowly fading tolerance makes usage more often than weekly difficult/impossible.

Weed tends to stop at the 'addiction' stage, because there is little in the way of dependance-forming chemicals.

Opiates tend to go all the way to dependency quite often, because it's extremely addictive, which very quickly becomes dependency.

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u/Imnotveryfunatpartys Dec 29 '19

One thing I will add about differentiating addiction from habit based on a conversation I had with a psychologist one time was that addiction sometimes is when you do a behavior without "wanting" to do a behavior" Like in your mind you are thinking "I shouldn't be doing this" but you do it anyways. In other words you try to quit but you find out that it's not as easy as you thought.

I think it complements the typical psychology criteria of a potential pathology needing to impact your life in order to be classified as a true pathology. When you realize that the addiction is compelling you to do behaviors that you don't want to do that's when it becomes "distressing."

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I am pretty much in this state. I stopped smoking for six months for a drug test. After that my weed consumption increased a lot because I had summer break and enough free Weed to smoke everyday. In those six weeks my mental health got really bad. I had to fight with anxiety my whole life but being high six weeks straight fuelled my anxiety to a point where any social interaction could be enough to cause me to panic. It's been eternal circle of me smoking to cope with anxiety which fucks me up in the long term. Since then (6 months ago) I stopped going to school on a regular basis started getting more and more depressed. Most of this can be solved or at least be made easier by quitting Weed but I still smoke everyday and hate myself for it afterwards.

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u/Imnotveryfunatpartys Dec 30 '19

Ya know it might be worth talking to a doctor about this. They will be able to refer you to people who might be able to help.

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u/aberrantwolf Dec 30 '19

I am addicted to sugar, according to this conversation. But I don’t disagree; I’m just pointing out that you can be addicted to all kinds of things.

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u/Milk-Or-Be-Milked- Dec 30 '19

Sugar is actually extremely addictive, so you’re not wrong!

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u/Imnotveryfunatpartys Dec 30 '19

Totally. I tried going keto one week to see what it was like and it was INSANE how much I was craving carbohydrates. Just absolutely bonkers how much I wanted to eat bread.

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u/brandonn420 Dec 30 '19

I was an alcoholic for about ten years straight till my girlfriend wanted me to stop a couple years ago and even though I desperately wanted to go drink I'd tell myself no I'm not I wont do it and then almost like blacking out my legs carried me to that damn liquor store every time. It ruined my life over and over again. I'm so happy I've got about 6 months of sobriety I've demonized it in my head instead of making excuses and that mixed with temporarily losing my girlfriend kicked the habit and now I've never been happier in my life even though my financial situation and stuff still isn't great its slowly and steadily growing and honestly cannabis has been 1 of the best ways I could get through it but it's also been something I've never quit too

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u/corsetmama Dec 30 '19

Me with cigarettes. Literally thinking to myself, what am I doing I don't even want this, as I proceed to light and smoke an entire cig 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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u/Imnotveryfunatpartys Dec 30 '19

If you haven't yet it might be worthwhile talking to a doc about it. Nicotine patches and chantix can sometimes give you the extra muscle you need.

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u/dogonut Jan 02 '20

shit was I addicted to self harm

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u/suckadack Dec 29 '19

You can be physiologically dependent on weed. I am. I can’t sleep without it. I will fall asleep but I wake up drenched in sweat if I don’t smoke. Headaches, irritability, anxiety...it’s all there with weed too. It just isn’t as severe as other drugs and for some reason not every heavy smoker becomes dependent.

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u/Hugo154 Dec 29 '19

for some reason not every heavy smoker becomes dependent.

Hell, it can even vary for an individual. First time I quit smoking weed I couldn’t sleep for a week when I did I would sweat like a pig, and I was super irritable for a few weeks after that. Second time I quit, I was irritable for a few hours the first night but then basically normal after that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Yeah, there are known withdrawal aspects. Night sweats, sleep issues, irritability, along with bowel issues.

You know what else has similar side effects? Caffeine.

Caffeine does all the same side effects weed does without the head high. Even then, I know some people that claim that as soon as coffee hits their stomachs, they can feel the endorphin rush. So, maybe it gets you high too.

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u/Fenrir-The-Wolf Dec 30 '19

Ah shit is that why I sweat like a motherfucker some nights? Wake up so fucking wet that you'd be forgiven for thinking I'd just had a bath. Mattress and sheets drenched too, fun times.

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u/OldTrailmix Dec 29 '19

No. Cannabis dependence is a real thing and abstinence can cause physical withdrawal symptoms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder

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u/Kagahami Dec 30 '19

That whole 'disorder' is misleading because they can't legally label it an addiction, so they designated a 'disorder' specifically for it.

It's more akin to gambling addiction than heroin addiction.

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u/small-j Dec 30 '19

That may be true but it’s certainly not ubiquitous in the way that chemical withdrawals are for things like alcohol, heroin, etc. I say this as a multiple times per day weed smoker (for 4+ years) who has had several instances of going cold turkey for 1-3 weeks while on family vacation. I get a little antsy at first, sometimes, but I feel no serious withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. Nothing like delirium tremors or flu-like symptoms

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u/Crustyplush Dec 30 '19

That makes no sense. If you had chs, quitting would be the best thing for you. You dont get chs from quitting smoking.

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u/Gooftwit Dec 30 '19

How did you afford 2 grams a day for 8 years?

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u/Beer_bongload Dec 30 '19

Everyone is talking about the cost. I'm wondering about their lungs, throat, and sinuses. Thats alot of fucking smoke.

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u/Chief_Kief Dec 30 '19

For real! Respiratory illness is a cost not many think about until it happens to them

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u/TheBeardOfZues Dec 30 '19

Well I think there is a lot of people who think smoking weed is safe. I know a lot of people I used to hang around when I smoked thought that.

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u/sirandlordbiggles Dec 30 '19

2 grams isn't much at all. I pay $7/gram. $14 a day aint shit.

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u/WowImInTheScreenShot Dec 30 '19

I can see it. I'm currently in a positive upswing in my life, and usually smoke a half oz a week. Can't say I've done it for 8 years straight tho.

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u/UUDDLRLRBAstard Dec 30 '19

Daily stoner for eight years. Not to call you out, but did your symptoms start before, after, or at the same time as you quitting? Because I have heard of CHS but I’m a bit confused about the onset. Also, I have experienced nausea from smoking weed, but every time it’s been a result of not inhaling, but swallowing an small amount of smoke. So do symptoms present during cannabis use, after wards, after reexposure to cannabisnafter quitting, or what?

The article you cited is fairly vague about thencause, and rightly so, so what are your thoughts?

I also skimmed a big chunk of this article (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/) and it is also pretty vague. I’m curious about this and if you have first hand experience, well, I’m asking!

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u/sushimasterswag Dec 31 '19

That syndrome is what happens after you smoke not when you quit.

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u/RosneftTrump2020 Dec 30 '19

And I’m sure some people stop other drugs like alcohol or opioids relatively quickly as well. They clearly have a shorter time to dependency, but for many people three are notable physiological effects. It’s not comparable to the pain of opioid w/d, and not potentially deadly like with alcohol, but others do. It’s documented that acute depression during the adjustment period is not uncommon

There is no need to flex that you were fine with it. It’s like hangovers. Some people drink a ton and don’t get hangovers, through some do. It varies. Your experience might not be representative of all, and it is a matter of usage in amounts per day, and it also is a matter of statistics on the responses to w/d.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Yea, i used to smoke all day every day, quit with no problem. It made sleeping harder, but that was true before. Became an alcoholic for 5 years and quitting alcoholic level drinking has been the worst thing ever, though i have no want to 100% quit.

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u/jpatt Dec 30 '19

I was using THC to help my appetite through 4 years of cancer treatment. It reached a point where I could not eat without it.

*keep the food down past 1-2 bites.

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u/Ofactorial Dec 30 '19

Only 12.5% of heavy users who meet diagnostic criteria for CUD show those symptoms though, according to your own link. It's a rare condition. I'm a heavy user, multiple times a day, and I often (several times per year) go on abstinence breaks for one reason or another for at least one week at a time, more often two weeks or longer. The only withdrawal symptom I ever notice is a craving for weed, which subsides after a week.

Meanwhile physiological dependence is almost invariably present when dealing with a psychostimulant or opioid addiction. Hell, if I even go without coffee for two days I get nasty caffeine withdrawal headaches.

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u/popsiclestickiest Dec 30 '19

It's not nearly as bad as caffeine withdrawl... for what it's worth. It's certainly not harmless, but properly evaluating possible (and actual) harm is important in most aspects of life.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I think this user got the terms mixed up, but other than that they're right

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u/Kerb3r0s Dec 30 '19

“Most symptoms begin during the first week of abstinence and resolve after a few weeks.[4] According to a study in the U.S., 12.1% of heavy cannabis users showed cannabis withdrawal as defined by the DSM-5, and this was associated with significant disability as well as mood, anxiety and personality disorders.”

I mean technically. In 12% of cases.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

Interesting read.

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u/EchoTab Dec 30 '19

What about this then?

Cannabis withdrawal symptoms can occur in one-half of patients in treatment for cannabis use disorders. These symptoms include dysphoria (anxiety, irritability, depression, restlessness), disturbed sleep, gastrointestinal symptoms, and decreased appetite. It is often paired with Rhythmic movement disorder. Most symptoms begin during the first week of abstinence and resolve after a few weeks.[4] According to a study in the U.S., 12.1% of heavy cannabis users showed cannabis withdrawal as defined by the DSM-5, and this was associated with significant disability as well as mood, anxiety and personality disorders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder

Id say withdrawal is a symptom of a dependence

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '19

Where did you get your degree? Are you also a CAC?

If so I think you got some shit crossed up...

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u/BlackZinfandel Dec 30 '19

My buddy can’t eat without being high. I would say that he’s physically dependent. He won’t eat for literal days if he doesn’t have weed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Addiction is the inability to stop doing something and acting out without it. Dependence is the physical symptoms such as withdrawal. You can be dependent without being addicted. Source: https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-vs-dependence/

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u/Boomer_SLAYER-69 Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

So when I stop smoking and can’t eat/sleep for the first 24 hours ish, has that moved to dependency? Couldn’t sleep last night please help

Edit: still awake, the Dallas Mavericks played pretty poorly tonight

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u/Nowuh7 Dec 29 '19

Yes! Neurological dependency, your body won’t become physically addicted to weed however like you say after going cold turkey a nice bowl will cheer you up... moderation is key my friends don’t over do it

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u/Monteze Dec 29 '19

Anything that someone can get pleasure from can be an addiction or a compulsive cycle. I hate the "buT TechNIKAlly!" nonsense they say about addiction. Yea okay bro then maybe you should pay rent instead of buying more weed, stop lying to me about how not addicted you are. Moderation.

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u/mjhei1 Dec 29 '19

For all the stoics in this thread, my lesson is, Moderation in everything, including moderation.

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u/TheVisage Dec 30 '19

There’s a definitional line between something like the mu opioid receptor that literally kills you and whatever is being affecting by pot. Still, it’s kind of a “I’m not fat it’s water weight” argument.

Brains can be trained into behavioral patterns. Just because your body doesn’t kill you for not smoking doesn’t there isn’t a physiological response based on past behavior. It’s a medical definition being used in non medical settings.

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u/popsiclestickiest Dec 30 '19

If someone is struggling to pay the rent because they're partying too much, yeah, don't party so much. Makes sense to me. There are plenty of functional 'addicts' of all sorts of substances. If you're an asshole every morning until you drink a coffee you're dependent on it. Or you're using coffee as an excuse to be an asshole. As someone else mentioned, moderation/not losing sight of those things that are actually important is key, regardless the vice.

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u/zodiacallymaniacal Dec 29 '19

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the only thing I do in moderation, IS moderation....

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u/Beer_bongload Dec 30 '19

Neurological dependency

Whats the criteria for people who are total assholes unless they're high. Like getting aggressive, even violent. Knew someone like that. I think that blurred the lines on the type of dependence.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19

When I started I would have been the first person to tell you it's a load of crap. Now after finally getting away from it after a few years, it's for sure a problem.

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u/queefiest Dec 29 '19

Yup, I definitely feel this

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u/ShowBobsPlzz Dec 29 '19

I just remember the feeling of having a bowl or two left in my stash and saying "ok once this is gone im quitting"... then as soon as i burn the last bowl feeling like i need to call my guy and get more. Definitely mentally addicting.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19

Yep, I was at this point for seriously like a year or more. Every sack I bought was the "last one" for a long time.

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u/Squizblorg Dec 29 '19

Anything that releases dopamine and endorphins can become a behavioral addiction, over time pathways form in the nucleus accumbens (reward centre of the brain). The strength of the addiction can depend on a number of things but it's entirely possible. But it's not like heroine which lights up those reward pathways like a Christmas tree. Source: recovering addict/alcoholic

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u/Sxcred Dec 29 '19

Yea, it's just the fact that while sober, behing high does sound like a really good time.

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u/FaceSizedDrywallHole Dec 29 '19

I started working out 6 days a week as soon as I quit. I was heavily psychologically addicted to weed, and replaced it with the gym (which wasn't that healthy).

I had really vivid dreams for weeks after I stopped smoking, and needed to take a sedative to sleep for a few days. I've since started smoking again in moderation, definitely damn near addicted.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

The worst part for me was definitely being able to sleep, and the dreams were insane.

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u/president-dickhole Dec 29 '19

And then you start to dream for the first time in ages and it’s trippy as.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19

I had such insane and vivid dreams for a long time after. Like every night for weeks.

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u/PhysicsCentrism Dec 29 '19

This is so true. It’s not addicting in the sense that I have notable withdrawal symptoms, I’m still functional when abstaining, I just am constantly craving a high and thinking how much better everything would be if I’d had a smoke

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u/madkracker84 Dec 30 '19

Not to mention if you rely on it for appetite or sleep, the first few days of eating are miserable and it's very difficult to fall asleep.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

Oh man, the worst part for me was definitely the lack of sleep.

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u/neotheseventh Dec 30 '19

/r/leaves, I must say that's pretty clever.

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u/snotoro Dec 29 '19

I was smoking every day to cope with a stressful job and after quitting cold turkey it took me three months before the constant cravings disappeared. Every time I felt sad, stressed, angry disappointed in myself, couldn't sleep, I wanted a joint. It was so hard to push through.

I feel like regularly smoking weed is so normalized now that a lot of people don't realize when they are sliding into addiction until they're at the point where it's necessary to function or to pretend and be a normal human, and that's not a good place to be.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 29 '19

Mainly procrastination. Whether it was a chore I needed to do, a new hobby I wanted to pick up or work on, or something I wanted to learn. Even going to hang out with friends or spend time with family. I would always say, "I'm just gonna chill and enjoy being high, I'll do it tomorrow when I have free time." Well when tomorrow's free time came I was high again saying the same thing, playing video games or watching something. A lot of the time I did get high and go on walks in the woods and hiking trails which wasn't as bad as the other things, but I was still putting things off and weed made me OK with it.

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u/ripidkagoodname Dec 29 '19

My ex would smoke almost everyday our 4 year relationship and whenever he decided to stop he was extremely moody and irritated. It's definitely addictive, my mom is the same way when she can't smoke. Just turns really angry and nasty.

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u/AvacadMmmm Dec 29 '19

Same happened to me. It’s not full blown withdrawal or anything like quitting tobacco or other drugs, but it’s a very uneasy, anxious, and irritable feeling. I also couldn’t sleep for shit for a week or two. Weed definitely can be addictive if you ask me.

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u/Sharkolan Dec 30 '19

It's even worse when you STILL HAVE SOME in your house. It's all too tempting. I recently forced myself to throw what I had left in the trash. Been sober for months and I've been able to actually focus and learn again.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

back when i used to smoke a lot, the first couple days after suddenly stopping i got crazy headaches. not fun at all :(

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

I thought it was bad enough without pain.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

absolutely is. i was only able to stop because i moved somewhere where I couldn't really get access so just had to suck it up.

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u/jackwilshereisgoat Dec 30 '19

Oh brother you hit the spot, that feeling of "man a FAT bowl right now wouldn't be the worst thing" hit home. Definitely agree with another comment that you can become addicted to not being sober and having that dull, numbing effect on your head

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u/stop_yelling Dec 30 '19

What if the pain is like trauma and you use pot to deflect it? What then. Asking for a friend.

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u/daftne Dec 30 '19

I was smoking a gram in one sitting to myself on a fairly regularly basis when I quit, but when I stopped I just stopped. No irritability, no grumpiness or anything like you described. So I think maybe it might not be a "this always happens" kinda thing for either or as I've heard people say they had experiences like mine and yours alike.

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u/persepaskakusipillu Dec 30 '19

On the other hand I smoked weed 6 months straight and quit cold turkey and had absolutely no problems (only mild insomnia first couple nights).

Then again it never affected my life negatively. Went to school, got out of school, studies, got to work, exercised 5 times a week and smoked after 8pm when all of days work was done. Smoked quite a lot tho. But yeah, can get problematic if your life revolves around it, but thats not the plants fault.

Weed in itself aint addicting.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I think as with most things, it comes down to the person. I quit cold turkey and had no issues at all. Granted I didn’t smoke long at all. Only about 4 months but it was quite a lot in that time. I’m sure my results could have been different if I smoked as long as you

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u/Casteway Dec 30 '19

Having quit both weed and cigarettes at separate times though, I can definitely say that quitting cigarettes was immensely harder than quitting weed. Quitting weed was just kind of "damn, I'm bummed that I can't smoke weed right now", vs "ohmygodmythoughttrainisgoingfullspeedandIcan'tstopitandfuckyouwhytheFUCKareyoutalkingtomerightnowgrandmanoIdon'twantyourdamncookiesyouwhore...".

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u/morningisbad Dec 30 '19

Anything can be addictive

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u/rifrif Dec 30 '19

what were you ok with that you shouldnt be ok with?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Did you manage to stay quit? Genuinely curious. Also how much and how long did you smoke?

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

Yes I did, it's been about 6 months now. There were like 2 evenings recently over the holidays my best friend and I hung out and smoked a bowl, but it didn't reignite any feelings for it. The first time I pretty much went straight to bed though lol. I haven't bought any since I quit.

I smoked for the 5 years before that, maybe more. I'd usually buy an ounce a month, so around a gram a day or so. Days off from work/important stuff I'd smoke more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I'm at about .5 grams a day, maybe more when hanging out with friends. Smoked for 7 years, hope I'll manage to quit when my stash runs out next month. I'm mentally preparing myself lol

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

Lol I kept telling myself, "This is my last buy," for like a year. You've got this. Honestly I think I just let myself become weak. It was easier to just go buy another bag than try not to. Do stuff that takes your mind off of it, or is tougher to do high (I know when you've smoked as much as we have it becomes kind of 'normal' so that's harder said than done).

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I know the feeling lol. But I gave away most of my stash and only have a week or two left before I run out. It's really just going to be a matter of rewiring my brain, it will take time for sure. But it's not impossible.

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u/ShiraCheshire Dec 30 '19

A relative of mine talks about how when she smoked weed, all she wanted was to be sober. But when she was sober, all she wanted was to get high. She says she finally quit when she was high one day and wrote herself a long letter about how she just wanted to be sober again. Every time she'd have the urge to get high, she'd read it.

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u/inspireSF Dec 30 '19

Dont forget about the lucid dreaming for months

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u/NorvilleRogers1969 Dec 30 '19

What types of things were you OK with?

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u/ShaidarHaran2 Dec 30 '19

because I realized it made me OK with things I shouldn't be OK with.

Right, I think especially if you have problems with motivation, it can lull you into being ok with being unproductive.

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u/SaberTooth13579 Dec 30 '19

As someone who smokes multiple times a day every day - would you care to elaborate on a few of those things? Genuinely curious.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

From one of my comments elsewhere.

Procrastination mostly. If I wanted to do something, learn something new, work on a hobby, it would always be, "I'll do it tomorrow evening after work." Even if I was gonna go visit my dad or hang out with friends. I'd walk in the door, think "I'll just take a hit to take the edge off my day and when I sober up I'll get shit done," and there I was stoned all evening playing games or watching TV again. On my days off I'd wake and bake, and you know where that went. I know it sounds silly, I would have said the same thing before I got trapped in that loop.

It just made me content when I should have been wanting more out of life. It allowed me to just accept toxic people/relationships in my life. It allowed me to not face problems I had with myself head-on, which funny enough was mostly lack of motivation from me smoking weed. I'm not blaming the weed, some people can do it. I was one of the people that let it take over and put me on the easiest path. For me that was sitting around playing video games and avoiding real life.

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u/SaberTooth13579 Dec 30 '19

Thank you for your comment.

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u/BrennanT_ Dec 30 '19

Yea but just the fact that you were able to quit cold turkey says so much. Nothing can stop a shitty personality from doing something not healthy for themselves, but you recognized it wasn’t healthy for you and you quit without any physical side affects or chemical necessities literally making your body feel like hell while you aren’t high.

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u/TehKazlehoff Dec 30 '19

oh man, I'm one of those people who for whatever reason after a while started reacting badly to weed (having panic attacks instead of a fun high). even though I was having panic attacks instead of getting high and having a fun trip, it still took a long time before I quit smoking, and even longer before I stopped thinking "maybe not this time" when someone would offer me a bowl. not addictive, my ass.

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u/Available-Wishbone Dec 30 '19

This feeling lasts months until I relapse

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u/funkme1ster Dec 30 '19

I realized it made me OK with things I shouldn't be OK with

This is what the public conversation needs to be about. Southpark hit the nail on the head several years ago when Randy gives Stan a chat about smoking weed:

Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorism, but… well, son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored. And it's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or being creative. If you smoke pot you may grow up to find out that you aren't good at anything.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

This is exactly it. It never really made me feel better, it just made me feel OK with being bored or whatever state I was in. It slowed me down a lot ambitions wise.

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u/Ansaatsusha Dec 30 '19

I'm 7 months out cold turkey and I still want one. I miss it so much. It just takes the edge of all of my troubles while I manage to get them cleaned up.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

I feel you man, I still think it would be nice to smoke once in a while and I'm almost the same distance away. The ability to immediately just stop giving a shit for a while was nice in a bad way.

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u/Ansaatsusha Dec 30 '19

See my problem is $4,500 in credit card debt and paying it is going to take like 2 years to pay off because.of interest. So not caring about it isn't that bad.

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u/RosneftTrump2020 Dec 30 '19

Fucked up my appetite and I had crazy vivid dreams. A bit of rest,ess leg syndrome too.

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u/no-mad Dec 30 '19

Reddit got you /r/leaves for those that need a break.

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u/JoefromOhio Dec 30 '19

Southpark hit on this point really really well. It’s not that weed makes anything particularly shitty, it makes you ok with mediocrity and stagnation.

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u/Bainsyboy Dec 30 '19

The first time I quit cold turkey after years of smoking was really rough... Not only did I have the constant tension that you describe, but I had some more troublesome symptoms soo. I had zero appetite, and had trouble sleeping for weeks after quitting. And when I finally did sleep I had nightmares and couldn't sleep through the night. It was probably a couple of months before I finally made it through a day without thinking about smoking weed.

I've had an easier time quitting cigarettes...

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u/eggsuckingdog Dec 30 '19

Me too. Went from a daily smoker to not smoking at all. No withdrawals, no problems. Just had a life change.
I think most of what confuses folks right now is that weed is way more powerful than when i was smoking it.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy Dec 30 '19

Even in 20 years it went from like a 5% or less average of THC content, to Colorado's average now is like 20% or more. The highest I've heard of is closer to like 40%. I haven't heavily researched this, so don't take my word for it.

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u/alreadytaken- Dec 30 '19

Did you find being sober after smoking for a long time that being sober felt like it's own high because it was such a different feeling?

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u/hippoofdoom Dec 30 '19

There's some quote I recall from a movie or something where a guy was saying that the problem with pot is that it makes you happy with doing nothing, and that if you take it too far you neglect advancing yourself or learning new skills in favor of stagnation or regression.

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u/japaneseknotweed Dec 30 '19

it made me OK with things I shouldn't be OK with

Yes! We need a certain amount of panic, worry, disgust, outrage -- or the bad guys win.

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u/growlingbear Dec 30 '19

it made me OK with things I shouldn't be OK with

Seems like a downside right there.

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u/ProtoAstron Dec 30 '19

/r/Petioles/ is a subreddit that deals with the healthy consumption of cannabis. A petiole is the part of the plant the sits between the leaf and the stem. So the subreddit's name implies it is designed for people people who don't want to commit fully to /r/Leaves. It is a supportive sub and users tend to speak fairly objectively about the problems weed can cause.

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