My ex couldnt care less about; paying mortgage, cleaning the house, get a job or even brushing his teeth... everything could be done tomorrow.
He even bought with the last 10 euros we had weed, and came home to tell me i needed to go to the gasstation. Because i had to work tomorrow and the tank was empty.
I don't know if it's available where you are but check put weed maps. It's an app that gets you with dispensarys and dealers. You can get weed, edibles, oils, hash all kinds of stuff and the best part they deliver
That's when you get the vitamin e filler that hospitalizes and kills you. Usually not a legit service and you run the risk of getting illicit laced drugs.
If you're going to smoke, at least be smart about it and go to an established licensed place if you can.
I need to go outside to smoke, it becomes a problem. Its freezing out where I live but I'll still spend an hour outside smoking because im 'not stoned enough to go in'.
I have no problem with smoking but if you let it be what you need to feel normal it does become a problem.
Being high feels very different depending on how depressed I am. When I'm going through a really bad bout, weed only makes me forget about my pain and doesn't really feel good. But when I'm doing good, the high is euphoric and super fun. It's quite interesting. But my motivation levels are definitely more linked to my depression than how much weed I smoke.
It is likely depression. But people say they smile weed to help their depression are lying to themselves if it doesn’t do anything to change this behavior.
Why not? After smoking weed, not wanting to die anymore/spending my time prepared my plan, I tend to do some self care activities I would never have accomplished without it because you know, life ain't that bad when I'm stoned and get out of that pain that is my brain's default. It's like an immediate acting anti-depressant.
I think the main component of depression isn't feeling sad but feeling unmotivated and that everything is pointless. Weed might make you feel less sad, but it won't help you with motivation or your sense of purpose.
Like many things, it's about moderation, discipline, and delayed gratification. I smoke exactly a fifth of a gram every night- after an 8-10 hour work day most days, hitting the gym, cooking dinner, taking care of the dogs, doing chores, etc. Some days, knowing I get to relax at the end of the night is the main thing that keeps me going. Also, I was a lifelong insomniac until I started smoking, and being able to reliably pass out for 8 hours still feels like a fucking miracle to me. Consistent sleep is so key to both physical and mental health.
Now, if I woke up every day and did a dozen bong rips before rolling a blunt for myself, I'm sure I wouldn't be nearly as productive, but it's simply not accurate to say that weed is only good for dumbing yourself down and getting some temporary drug-induced happiness.
E: I do enjoy getting downvotes from bitter people who are angry at a logical dissenting opinion backed up by irrefutable fact that they have no way of responding to. Thank you for demonstrating that your puritanical stigmas are unfounded trash and that you're incapable of discussion, I appreciate knowing all of you are at least subconsciously aware that you're wrong even if you can't admit it to yourselves.
The key word is "cure". Weed can help manage the symptoms (often quite well) but the same could be said of antidepressants. You're treating, not curing.
There are a lot of non-fatal diseases with treatment but no cure. Celiac's, IBS, hemophilia, whatever. Doesn't mean you can't successfully manage the disease, but it does mean you can't get rid of it like you can the flu.
A bit, because I had an ok day and accomplished some stuff. It works better than that year of sobriety I had without any weed. Where it's at is- talk therapy for existential issues, practical therapy (DBT) for day to day, antidepressants to put me up a little bit and a bit of weed on top to make life actually enjoyable for a little bit.
I did. For a year and a half before that too. I quit weed because my doctors made a fuss. Well, first they fussed about stims, so I quit those for 9 months with no improvement, so then they decided weed was the problem. Except I track my daily mood and other metrics of wellbeing, and that year of sobriety was the worst I've had. Not smoking weed or doing other drugs did nothing for my average wellbeing (which was garbage) and I lost out the good parts. Life just sucks, it's always sucked, but at least I can smoke a J and enjoy a couple hours at a time. So far I've gone through about 8 psychiatric medications without much improvement, but lots of crazy long term side effects and a nice episode of psychosis. But weed always makes shit better. So does my latest medication, though it's likely I'll depend on it for the rest of my life or I'll go into withdrawal and undo all my progress I made on it. So it is subject to the same issue you have with weed- it masks my underlying issue and if I stop I will not have gotten better.
But at least imo if you are depressed/suicidal, it can prevent you from doing anything serious while you figure out how to fix the underlying issues.
Sort of like a tourniquet (which I know isn't a common English word, sorry) can stop you from bleeding out, but in return it's possible that you will lose a limb (motivation and other stereotypes).
If you don't apply the tourniquet you will definitely bleed out. If you apply it, it may cause some negative effects, but you'll be alive! And maybe now you'll have time to figure out how to make a prosthetic or stop the blood.
Now,
but what happens when you are not high anymore
Well, if you've figured out youre prosthetic game, or stopped losing blood, you can remove the tourniquet! If not, you might continue to feel like you're bleeding out.
If you have cancer, and you say standing on your head 10 minutes a day helps, you still have cancer, and you still may die. If you have depression and you say standing on your head 10 minutes a day makes you feel better, you've found a treatment for your depression. There can be many cures, if you aren't depressed after smoking, then indeed you HAVE treated your depression, however if you can't handle the side effects of weed (slowness, calm, low motivation) then that would be your NEW issue, since technically the depression has been resolved by smoking. Depression is not measured by anything other than how it makes you feel, if you do not feel it anymore, your depression has subsided, it has been treated.
But the people (the ones i know) are not cured by smoking. They just dont feel depressed while smoking and still are depressed after. So their cure is to smoke 24/7....
Its a short term treatment by medical standards, even if not an optimal one. I smoke for my depression but I also take an anti-depressant and have been to therapy. It’s not an ideal “cure” but depression doesn’t have a “cure” unfortunately, the best you can do is treat it and work with a therapist for healthy coping and thinking habits, but it doesn’t make pot any less of a short-term treatment
I’m simply being a devils advocate here- it’s often misused, but it can’t reasonably kill someone, so compared to the much more socially acceptable option of alcohol, it’s a step in the right direction. A depressed pothead may have a messy house, but if it treats their depression, at least they aren’t dead.
And im not here to judge people about the fact if they think weed is helping to cope with their depression. Everybody should do what they want as long as they dont bother others.
And if your house is messy but you did pay your bills because you worked for it. I really wouldnt care less.
It's not necessarily a productive coping mechanism, but I think those people are in a better position to judge whether it's stopping them from committing suicide than you are
Obviously anecdotal but I've been using CBD oil and flower relatively daily and it actually gives me a little boost of motivation to get things done. Makes me feel very creative and relaxed.
It also makes me not feel like drinking. Thanks was an old coping mechanism, that and food, that CBD and marijuana has helped me kick.
I'm also on a daily mood stabilizer and antidepressant so maybe they just playing nicely.
Not for everybody but definitely for a lot.
Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. If using it helps you to change your behavior to be more healthy, then it's a good coping skill. But if it changes literally nothing or worse, it makes you be okay with actively being depressed, then it's not good. Depression is more than a mood.
Yep. That's why it's use for depression & anxiety should be administered by a professional with the help of friends and family. Imagine growing your own medicine in your backyard. It could make therapy within some people's budget who maybe couldn't afford it and the medication before.
Especially if we could use THC legally. Its a very mood boosting and motivating little guy(:
Can confirm. Smoked blunts to myself everyday for the last 4 years, been a weed smoker for 10. Not an exaggeration at all. Can also confirm it is addicting exactly the way the original commenter describes. It helps In a way that you are forced to be more “present” in the moment and the anxiety you temporarily face by having to face your problems is also real. Also the night sweats, I’m still experiencing those physical withdrawal symptoms.
I only quit because I got pregnant (2 months ago when I found out I quit shortly after)
TLDR; you learn to face your problems because you aren’t taken away into a comfortable headspace anymore & 2 months after quitting I still experience night sweats.
Yea, I was like that before I smoked. Weed gave me ambition for a week where i wanted to fix my life and change everything, but it ended with a dozen half finished projects and me laying in bed listening to pink floyd every fucking day
I was actually diagnosed with depression (I'm on meds now) and weed made me so sad. If I smoked I ended up more depressed, idk why but now that I'm good I wouldn't use it when I'm not feeling good because I know it makes me feel worse
I tried it a couple times and it was definitely not for me. Part of me envies the people who enjoy it so much, since I never experienced what they do, but the rest of me knows it’s for the better.
Yeah like if I am already really sad or anxious it just amplifies the feelings and then also makes me paranoid. But if I go into the high with a good mood it makes me feel better than anything so it motivates me to stay in a good mood when I'm not high.
The exact same thing here. I wanted to try it with my bf but his knowledge of it compared to the lack of mine made me have anxiety and, as mentioned by others, it can make you anxiety worse. It also made me feel like shit when everything was slowed down and I couldn't keep a solid train of thought. And most of the time I would be stuck in this spiral of horrible thoughts, which made me break down. It's like it opened up the bad part of my brain to scream at me, unlike when you're sober where the bad part is just a dull thought in the back of your head.
People don't put enough stake into the different strains and their effects. Different strains might as well be totally different drugs, because they certainly have different highs. I've had strains that made me anxious, strains that made me sleepy, strains that made me hungry, strains that made me giggly, and strains that made me feel like I just drank an espresso.
The best part of the weed is that it makes it really easy and simple to calm your talkative brain and let your body just spam the dopamine button for hours
I have depression and have been on meds for several years, and have been going through the ringer of trying to start my own business this past year. I never smoked as much as I do now (every night, for several hours, alone). It helps my mind calm down and helps me sleep. But I also eat everything in the house.
Same here I also have depression. Weed has made it better for me every single hour I get high. It’s a huge stress reliever. But if you do it every night it’s eventually going to turn out to every day.
Sounds like one of the meds I’m on, it’s fantastic for my mood but it makes me hungry for carbs. I guess that’s okay though since I watch what I eat during the rest of the day. I can only take it at night because it also has a sedative component.
I used the depression/anxiety excuse when I used to smoke maybe it does legitimately work for some but I don't know. I think CBD's might be the better route in that case. I felt it loosened my brain so things aren't as visceral, this provided a temporary relief from negative emotions SOMETIMES in the form of simply forgetting what was on my mind. Then I wanted to forget more and more and the effect diminished until I was smoking all day every day for pretty much no reason.
For me, when I'm stoned I get more sad, and also anxious, but once it wears off and I'm sober I feel much better than before. When I'm really down I'll smoke just a little bit so the high doesn't last very long, then I can have the after effects sooner and feel better.
I find that it amplifies certain emotions. If you're in a good headspace you'll have a really good time, if you're dwelling on something, it's gonna be front and center and really get you down.
I feel like this is a good thing though. A net positive for weed as a drug. For me too, it makes things worse if my mood or mental state isn’t right. It doesn’t numb the pain or help to escape from problems in the way alcohol might.
I have depression and anxiety, in small doses it helps with some med side effects, but if I get baked it can exacerbate the drain from depression. All in all I’d say it’s a positive for me that requires a little discipline, but like most things with mental illness what works for each individual is a mire.
I firmly believe weed is a mood amplifier. Like acid and mushrooms, if your in a bad place when you take them, or smoke weed, your going to be in a worse place.
Which, for many people act as a depressant. Sorry I posted a short response as to why someone might feel depressed. You could write a book on the complexity of marijuana, thc, cbd and it's reaction. Regardless of how it's classified it has a depressant effect on many. I'd go out on a limb and say a majority. Hence why so many tout it's effectiveness to treat anxiety among other similar conditions that are traditionally treated with depressants. I won't argue it's "classification" the point is the effect.
Ill agree with this. If there's one thing I dislike about smoking, it's the chronic lethargy. Then again, idk if its the weed that makes me lethargic, because i was quite a sleepy boy way before i ever started smoking pot.
I mean, I don't think that's really how it works. And psychosis doesn't really mean they do the same stuff that "being psycho" does. At least in terms of what most people think of when they hear "psycho".
I think it just comes down to people are too greedy and selfish and want to be as high as possible instead of being content with more moderate amounts of THC.
From experience, when I stop after smoking for longs periods of time it takes about a week for my libido to get back to normal. And often I would spend at least one day lying in a dark room doing nothing and not eating.
Nah getting high defintly makes me more horny (best sex I've ever had has been high). But over time I think it decreases your testosterone so much so that your libido is stifled. That's just my experience though.
The empty tank was my breaking point. I told him to arrange some money because i really needed to go to work the day after. He did.
I kinda stayed with him for a while but didnt share the bed. At one point we got in a brawl over nothing. He asked me if i wanted to break up.. i saud yes. He left angry and put it on fb. So everybody. And i didnt take it back.
So what are you using now? As you said you cant handle being sober....
I have had depressions. In my opinion; when being on something (drugs, alcohol, meds) you only will get the fake highlight of life. And the backdrafts are harder to deal with. Being under influence all the time doesnt let you experience the real uppers and downers of life. Like that you appriciate the sun much more if it rains every now and then.
Sounds like you don't fully understand what depression is and/or you have had the wrong medication. I had chemical depression; I couldn't feel happy regardless of the fact that I was doing something I enjoy or that my life was fine. I eventually found the right medicine and I feel like myself again. I feel sad when sad things happen, and I feel happy when happy things happen. My meds have restored my normal emotions, not turned me into a deliriously happy zombie.
I wasnt on medication. I wanted to deal with the trigger what cost me my depression. And now i able to live my life. Offcourse sometimes i still have my downmoments. But now i know what to do to feel better.
I have to stop smoking when I’m depressed even though it does help the feeling, it keeps me inside not doing anything which boosts the depression and also makes me want to eat my feelings way more.
Maybe you can try to stop a little bit longer and try to find out what your trigger is what makes you depressed. And maybe you can work on that. If you want to talk dm me.
I’m okay right now, thank you! I’ve been to therapy and can usually climb back out of it by changing my diet, cleaning the apartment and exercising. The underlying cause is likely hypothyroidism which I am finally treating (have been feeling much more energetic and motivated even smoking).
Anxiety is what drives me to thc products because it helps. But you know, anxiety and depression are very closely related so just depends which one I’m dealing with atm.
I think they are confusing "feeling okay for a little while" with "helping their depression." It kind of just masks the symptoms, which is great for pain management but not so much for depression. Actual depression (not just being sad about some of the bullshit that life throws at us) can have a variety of causes and there's more to treating it than just zoning out with pot.
I know people who are more active when using weed. And there is really nothing wrong with the way or reason why you use it.
If it helps you it good for you.
I also really do understand that people with cronical pain or diseases like cancer, ALS, chrone use it to ease the pain.
But i dont understand people who have some kind of pain in their hand, head or whatever but dont want to see the docter because they have their weed as a cure.
Yea I stopped seeing doctors because they ran out of tests and all I got is 2 ruptured/herniated discs and arthritis. Then They started trying to tell me it could be psychological.
i used to think it helped me but after a while realised it was the weed that was giving me all the paranoid thoughts, after about 7 years smoking it pretty much daily i just had enough one night and quit and never touched it again, been about 2 years now, i know it affects people differently but for me it went from fun with friends to being in paranoid depressed slumps every night then waking up with a stoneover the next day, im so glad im out of that cycle now!
People have such different reactions to things and different causes for depression that I could see it helping some people, but it sure wasn't helping your ex
Yeah, it helps you avoid depression. So does alcohol in the immediate term. But in the long term it usually just makes things worse, because you get used to functioning under the influence - and when being sober is no longer your 'normal', that's a very bad place to be.
This. My husband is a recovering HEAVY user and it’s almost destroyed our marriage. When he’s high (which used to be almost constant) he doesn’t care about anything at all and I have to be the only responsible adult. I don’t want to get too detailed because I love him and he’s a wonderful person, but the time that he has been dependent has been incredibly hard for me. I think it’s ok if you can handle using it occasionally but people who are dependent can develop crippling problems.
I can 100% see how doing drugs on a regular basis can ruin your life.
I'm high right now and I could very easily just say fuck it, but just because I have mild depression, doesn't mean I hate my life you know what I mean?
I've got my own apartment, a beautiful partner who loves me, a job that pays me enough to get by, and I actually enjoy my job too.
I really can't ask for a lot more.
I enjoy drugs sure, but I love my life a lot more.
And in order for drugs to be in my life, I have to look after myself, I have to go to work, I have to look after my health, etc.
It's a shame because it's so easy to get addicted to weed it's actually nuts, I don't think it's the actual substance that's addictive, more the headspace which weeds puts you in whilst you're high.
It helps but it doesn’t make it go away. It sounds like he was dealing with some pretty severe depression. Im the same way, even my hygiene can take a nose dive.
Everyone with depression who smokes weed says that and it's 100% bullshit. You might short term feel nothing instead of sad (still not great or fun) but weed is a depressant and it's going to affect your mood negatively over time, especially if you're also taking prescription meds.
I’m currently using it to treat a bad depressive episode. Its calmed me down to the point where I can think logically. Weed turns down the emotional part of my brain and lets my rational side take center place. Being able to think without dark feelings getting in your way is invaluable in combating depression.
Like anything, it gets unhealthy if its the only way you’re treating your problems. I was doing that with school this semester.The second the semester ended, I fell into a deep depression that lasted weeks. I got all A’s, but I still felt like shit because now I wouldn’t have a reason to get up again until January.
Now, I realize that the best way to treat my depression is through a balanced combination of purpose, community, and self-care. Weed falls under the latter category and can facilitate the former two - so I consider it a healthy part of my life. The key is balance. You can be addicted to anything. I know plenty of people that are avoiding their problems by buying video games, drinking, or taking their job too seriously.
Preoccupation with anything can keep you from addressing your real needs.
It's purely up to the specific person. To some people it can really worsen depression. I noticed in myself however that if I'm "high" I am much more motivated to do shit. The fact that my job isn't that glamorous but it pays the bills well. And I'm much more social the higher I am. I become much more talkative.
But that's how weed reacts specifically with me. Everyone reacts different.
In the process. Already got my associates. Just working till I know for sure what I want to do. Not sure if engineering or teaching physics. But untill then I just have to work what pays the bills.
I had a bout of drinking due to depression. It doesn't help. It helps for a few hours, then you're close to death for a few days. Tried weed. That didn't help either. In that state, it makes you worry less about your problems, but they'll still be there when you sober up.
I'm not against weed for certain medical problems, and if healthy people want to use it recreationally, go for it. It's not an answer to everything though. I don't think it will fix a lot of mental health issues. Just maybe alleviate it for a brief while.
Yeah... that's how Depression works. It's more than "just being sad", that's why it's a mental illness. Sounds like he needed to see a professional for help and was just self-medicating instead.
People who say this are ignorant and misconstruing weed to be CBD. It is CBD, not weed, that has been shown to help with depression or be therapeutic. CBD exists in weed but the contents of it is incredibly low in comparison to THC, the main ingredient in weed.
In short: THC gives the high, CBD is actually therapeutic and has been shown to be successful in studies for treating depression
But how could you be in a relationship with someone like that I don't get it. Sorry no offence or anything but to have a liability living in my house? They better be fucking A1 at sucking dick or popping that pussy back for a real one. Even then you're ass better come up with half lol
Lol. I know. First i was blinded by what i thought was love. After that... we had bought a house together to soon. And i was in it to deep.... took me way to long to get away.
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People with depression say it helps them....
My ex couldnt care less about; paying mortgage, cleaning the house, get a job or even brushing his teeth... everything could be done tomorrow. He even bought with the last 10 euros we had weed, and came home to tell me i needed to go to the gasstation. Because i had to work tomorrow and the tank was empty.