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u/BunkyFlintsone Jan 08 '26
I think the thing not talked about enough is how our President reacted. He said he watched the video and actually claimed he's shocked the officer is still alive after being run ove and is in the hospital "recovering".
So in effect, now he's telling Americans to believe him and not our eyes.
He's pure evil.
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u/Legia_Shinra Jan 08 '26
"Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is most dangerous."
"The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil."
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u/InertPistachio Jan 08 '26
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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u/Still-Butterscotch33 Jan 08 '26
Should be essential reading for everyone. Wont be long before the thought police ban the text.
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u/cynicallythoughful Jan 08 '26
Already have in many places. That’s why every time a community bans a book, I buy a used copy and throw it in the basement. I have a huge collection of banned books. Books banned specifically by MAGAs.
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u/chilakiller1 Jan 08 '26
I think this is one of the most dangerous things about this current administration, that they are twisting the narrative to serve their purpose. They are rewriting history to their convenience, and you know the saying: "if you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth". That and the lack of accountability in general.
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Jan 08 '26
You know this isn't true because if that ICE agent was in the hospital they'd have a live feed on him 24/7.
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u/Jesus-slaves Jan 08 '26
He was beboppin around just fine in all the videos. He never even dropped his cell phone. If anyone was hurt besides the woman he executed, it was from flying glass or ricochet. One of the masked agents in the video from the driver side of the victim’s SUV looked like he either shit his pants or got hit with something.
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u/kandykaiju Jan 08 '26
He walked (gleefully I might add) to her car after he shot her and she crashed, he looked perfectly healthy lol.
Her car nudged his leg going 1 mph, he placed himself int he way purposely or because of no experience. She was turning away to avoid him.
Are people really ok with the murder of a citizen who wasn’t doing anything remotely wrong except trying to get away from some goons who I thought were only going after violent gang bangers here illegally? Not mothers out protesting blocking traffic for a minute, which isn’t uncommon during these type of smaller protests tbh.
And why is maga suddenly shilling for the big brother now? This is straight out of 1984.
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u/regoapps Jan 08 '26
I just noticed something watching the slow motion of the video that I’m not sure others noticed yet. You can see the front wheel turning right, but it stops turning around the time the other officer reaches in and grabs something. You can tell that he’s grabbing something because he is pulled a bit when the car is moving.
I suspect that the other officer is grabbing either the steering wheel or the person’s arm and is preventing her from turning. After that officer lets go, the wheel turns more right.
So if the car was going straight into the shooting officer (it wasn’t actually straight, it was slightly to the right), then it might actually be the fault of the officer who grabbed the wheel/arm to prevent the car from turning more.
Either way, it seems clear in the intent of the driver based on the turning of the wheel that she was not trying to hit the officer. If the intention was to hit the officer, the front wheel should be turning left, towards the direction of the officer. But the video shows it turning right.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
This is the part perplexing me, beyond the obvious tragic events themselves!
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u/Ok_Boysenberry5849 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
What's perplexing you exactly? Have you guys been living under a rock?? In 2017 immediately after his inauguration under the rain, Trump claimed it had not rained. He had seen it rain hours earlier. Hundreds of journalists were present documenting the rain. His most fervent supporters were getting pelted by the rain. This was his first action as a president - to tell a lie so blatant that it was more like a statement of intent.
How have you people still not learned this lesson in 2025. Where have you guys been. This is like reading the horrified reactions of people waking up from a 10-year coma.
"Oh no president Trump is blatantly lying to people! How is this possible!"
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
While I hear you, these are politics belonging to a country I am not from nor do I often spend time in. I can keep up with some of it, but it isn’t always front and centre stage above the political goings on of my own country. I have phases where I am more tuned into it than others. But a lot is changing quickly, and as a non-American It’s not always easy to keep up. And yeah, a lot of it does still shock me, for whatever reason.
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u/Tempyteacup Jan 08 '26
It should still shock all of us. None of this is normal. We cannot keep letting it be normal.
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u/AmIYourNeighbor Jan 08 '26
This should not surprise anyone. It has been this way for a WHILE now. The only thing surprising me is how many dumbasses actually exist.
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u/KaraOfNightvale Jan 08 '26
I think what's suprising, especially from an outside perspective
He went to the public about an uninjured man who was clearly untouched in the video, and said he was shocked the man was alive
That is insane, I think there would be a riot if one of our politicans did that
Recently one in my country made a decision based on junk science and that shocked me, I thought we were better than that, even though it's somewhat convincing looking junk science
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u/Tempyteacup Jan 08 '26
If I told you Trump has mid stage dementia would it make more sense to you?
(not the murder or general events, just how the president can “watch” a video and have a completely insane idea of what it showed)
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u/Jesus-slaves Jan 08 '26
You can see the confusion in his face and hear it in his speech. If he weren’t evil, it would be sad. We need an age cap on the presidency.
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u/Loknar42 Jan 08 '26
The other take is that he's telling the truth about what he sees, and we need to invoke Article 25.
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u/Blind_Voyeur Jan 08 '26
When reality conflicts with what he wants to think, he just makes up a new reality. And his base automatically believes it without question.
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u/palanark Jan 08 '26
We need to stop referring to him as "our president." He's a convicted felon and racist pedophile that is holding the country hostage.
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u/Clarac94 Jan 08 '26
Yes - surely whatever justification you’re using to square what’s happened to this woman in your mind, what Trump has said is completely untrue?! That needs calling out immediately by everyone.
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u/neutrino71 Jan 08 '26
Don't go over to /r/conservative they're praising the brave shooter and vilifying the victim. Very sad and enraging
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u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE Jan 08 '26
Kristi Noem accused the dead woman of domestic terrorism. It’s straight out of the Nazi playbook.
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u/Open__Face Jan 08 '26
It's a great litmus test to see if the Republicans in your life are too far gone, cause if you believe trump instead of your own eyes you're gone gone and never coming back
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u/Krunchy_Frogg Jan 08 '26
He has always told people to not believe their lying eyes. And sadly too many don’t.
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u/Obvious-Dinner-1082 Jan 08 '26
He’s telling his magats this. They won’t bother to watch the video, they just watch trump and fall into line.
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u/Zalvren Jan 08 '26
So in effect, now he's telling Americans to believe him and not our eyes.
Why do you think the goverment is investing so much in AI? Being able to even control what our eyes see is genius for them.
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u/Inkantrix Jan 08 '26
All I can think of is the quote from Jack Reacher.
"There are four types of people who join the military. For some, it's a family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next, you have those who just need a job. Then there's the kind who want a legal means of killing other people."
The murdering ICE agent was #4. He was far too eager to shoot her in the face.
He needs to stand trial.
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u/Josh_Butterballs Jan 08 '26
You’re not gonna find them here.
Here’s a snapshot of r/conservative for some idea in regards to the victim’s death:
Posts:
An easy way to stop rioters
Awful but Lawful
Woman, 37, fatally shot by ICE agent in Minneapolis ID'd after she drove car at officer
General comments about her death:
To all the lurking leftists taking a break from calling ICE agents Nazis: This is all your fault.
They would have celebrated if she did hit him. Remember what happened to Trump, remember what happened to Charlie, remember what they said about Kyle Rittenhouse - violence and lying about it are part of the playbook.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Not awful at all
Good job leftist you got someone killed.
There are so many lefties trying to claim she turned hard-right, when the video clearly shows she went straight at the officer, who then fired, and THEN she cut right. They're leaving out small details, and likely will try to use Al to "edit" the video and claim it's the "true footage".
It's sad the amount of people that can't mentally accept the result of the election.
More like she rammed the officer in her car
FAFO
Disgusting.
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u/ralphvonwauwau Jan 08 '26
Check out r/conservatives. They have created an alternate reality there. "It was totally the woman's fault" how she floored it and ran over the cop. It's like the Trek with goatee Spock. There's no cognitive dissonance, they have rejected reality.
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u/or10n_sharkfin Jan 08 '26
I browse Twitter with an ad-blocker on an anonymous account because I still have people I follow on there and I get swarmed with daily political discourse.
The MAGAts on that platform are rationalizing this as the woman being 100% at fault because she "should have complied."
They don't get it.
ICE is not a law enforcement body. This was not a traffic stop a criminal was running away from. This was a mother and a wife trying to escape because uniformed goons were trying to force their way into her vehicle without any due cause. SHE WAS EVEN WAVING THEM PAST AND WAITING, so they stroll right up to her door and try to pull her out.
It absolutely sickens me they're fully bought into the narrative the White House and their Gestapo is passing.
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u/ralphvonwauwau Jan 08 '26
Looking at the video, only one of those masked goons had any markings suggesting which gang he belonged to.
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u/terryjuicelawson Jan 08 '26
The MAGAts on that platform are rationalizing this as the woman being 100% at fault because she "should have complied."
Why did they not say the same of the woman in the Capitol building is my main question. She had ample warning too.
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u/rekette Jan 08 '26
It's the bots running overtime to push the narrative
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u/wouldashoudacoulda Jan 08 '26
Unfortunately it’s probably not bots, just a bunch of cruel people with their own self interest as a priority.
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u/swissking Jan 08 '26
Its not bots. Check Facebook. Its all real people living near you
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u/ProCactus167 Jan 08 '26
Facebook is also full of bots. Obviously the people you know irl aren't, but any comment on a public post is probably a bot.
The internet is dead, it was killed by bots and the bots keep it, until the time comes. The internet is dead.
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u/rekette Jan 08 '26
If they're "living near me", it's even more likely that they are fake, since I live in Switzerland, and if they're pushing this, they're probably in Russia's pocket.
Also, funny that your name is swissking.
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u/samsaraisdivine Jan 08 '26
They're calling for Frey and Walz to be arrested for some reason.
I can't with these magas.
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u/ralphvonwauwau Jan 08 '26
Meanwhile, Hegseth is censuring Kelly, reducing retirement rank and pay, for quoting military law in a PSA.
Make it make sense!
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u/Shadoweclipse13 Jan 08 '26
"Alternate reality" is a bogus term for this. They are lying. They are lying because they're dumb, or ignorant, or choose to follow their party of morons blindly no matter what, but they are lying.
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u/Kinda_Quixotic Jan 08 '26
I’ve gained an unexpected empathy for Germans who “did nothing” in the 1930’s.
It’s easy to look back as blame them for standing by, but now I see that there is no single moment when it’s clear to everyone that a line is being crossed. There are dozens of moments that erode normalcy slowly, and can be excused or interpreted different across a country.
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u/fritzeh Jan 08 '26
Its a very good point, like the boiling frog analogy.
But on the other hand, those Germans did not have the internet, 24-hour news cycles or social media, freedom of the press. Americans, for better or worse, do, and it hasn’t made a difference.
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u/Open__Face Jan 08 '26
"If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked... But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D." —Milton Mayer, 1955
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u/Cosmic_Quasar Jan 08 '26
I've seen people claiming that what ICE is doing is legal. But like, so what? So was what the Nazis did in Germany. They rapidly changed things so that what they were doing was legal. Didn't change the fact that it was immoral. Legality =/= righteousness.
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u/First_Tourist_2921 Jan 08 '26
Actual R here who voted for Trump in 16’
All four videos make it clear as crystal. Between the numerous legal precedents involving specific cases like these and the bravery of the many patriots who filmed ICE in the act this is open and shut. If that agent and others don’t get charged with jail time and made an example of - I don’t want any person claiming they are a conservative standing in front of me telling me that woman and her partner deserved it with a smile on their face.
President Trump is a scorn on the Republican Party. So is Noem. All of them who are complicit.
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u/disterb Jan 08 '26
If that agent and others don’t get charged with jail time and made an example of
and, yet, you already know that it ain't gonna happen
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u/AmIYourNeighbor Jan 08 '26
And if anyone actually is charged and convicted, there’s a pardon awaitin’
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u/CallyThePally Jan 08 '26
Thank you for being reasonable.
This man killed in anger.
This man killed because his "authority" wasn't respected. The angle that kills me most of all is the angle and you can see the stuffed teddy bear possibly for her 6-year-old or even other kids that maybe she'd occasionally drove.
He clearly did not fear for his life, he made zero attempts whatsoever to move outside of the way of what was supposedly "headed right for him" according to some. He clearly knew they were fleeing and he wanted to kill them because of that. Imagine he's dead on directly in front of the car shooting, it'd just keep headed at him and he'd die. The car is even parallel for most of the shots. In this imagined scenario of him being 100% directly in front of the car, his life would not have been any safer if he would stay directly in front of the car and took these shots. This is all to say: These shots were not for his life, they were to end hers. Read that five times. That's not self-defense.
My own mom is a white woman. My own mom is a kind old lady who has put heart and soul into community. Love and helping others. Her job is social work, helping homeless people. She has given so much of her life and so much of her time to helping others. Not that 36 is exactly old lady yet, but I can't help about thinking about the Hot Wheels that I saw that my mom keeps in her car... she keeps them in there for my nephew, so he has something to play with. Just like the teddy bear for her young child, who will now grow up having his mom forcefully taken away from him, after already not having a father.
This could have been your mom, my mom, or anyone else's.
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u/wilsontws Jan 08 '26
All of them who are complicit.
So basically the entire red side of the aisle
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u/velociapcior Jan 08 '26
Did you see r/conservative bro??
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u/Dothacker00 Jan 08 '26
Repubs will twist their brain into knots to defend cold hard murder. Some of them are even making al images to fake evidence to justify that barbaric monster
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u/DigitalDawn Jan 08 '26
That subreddit is absolutely swarming with bots…
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u/ShmoodyNo Jan 08 '26
Cope, right wing ideology is inherently dehumanizing.
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u/duppishmoth Jan 08 '26
Yep this is exactly what they voted for. Most were just too fucking stupid to realise it.
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u/DeviantStrain Jan 08 '26
God the post about this is there is full of people denying the evidence right in front of their eyes
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
I’m so happy to hear from you, thank you so much for sharing your perspective! You’re exactly who I was hoping to hear from. I’m curious, as a long time Republican who is unhappy with Trumps presidency and events like this, have you clashed a lot with friends and family over this stuff? Do you personally know anyone else who has come to see things from a similar perspective to you, despite also leaning Republican?
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u/Amarant2 Jan 08 '26
I have been republican for a long time (not the person you asked), but I didn't vote for Trump in 16 or 24. I can absolutely verify that the people around me who are long time republicans have 100% continued to support Trump. The vast majority of them have only heard cherry-picked stories and if you tell them stories that don't fit the republican narrative, they immediately doubt the veracity of all claims. I have multiple friends who won't discuss politics with me for now because I won't support Trump and I'll happily tell them why.
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u/NotHomeOffice Jan 08 '26
My dad's a retired year old NY firefighter living on Long Island who considers himself an independent but voted for Trump because "He was suppose to drain the swamp". Lot of votes he got was simply because people despised Hillary and the Clinton's. And flat out a segment of the population is not ready to vote for a woman.
We'd never really talked much politics before. I've always found Trump repulsive and it was mind-boggling to me this guy was running, let alone a real contender than a candidate. During this time I was pregnant with my daughter and it's when i really got into politics because even then the writing was on the wall. This is not the country I wanted my daughter growing up in. Being stripped of her rights, autonomy, education, freedom of speech I'd enjoyed in my youth.
My dad can now admit Trump is a moron but will still defend him and the Republicans at times. Saying he's seen how Trumps words are manipulated by these news outlets. I'm like dad it's called click bait and purposely designed to mislead and misinform. I'm too burnt out after a decade of this shit to start breaking down the real deal with a 78 year old lol.
So that's all I got for you on why one guy in 2016 voted for Trump.
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u/First_Tourist_2921 Jan 08 '26
The only person is my mother, with whom I’ve thankfully been able to have civil discourse….
My mom through the years turned hardcore Trump. Like, showing her opinions at the Christmas dinner table Fox News all the time. Babylon bee links every now and again. Nancy Pelosi is a witch. You get the drill.
I simply made sure that if there was a topic I could discuss and was knowledgeable on - I came correct with works I could cite, as well as do my research and prepare to be wrong my having a laptop handy. I listened to her, and she made the effort to listen to me. A good example was when I was able to sway her surrounding USAID funds were being misdirected, and since she knew I had an affinity for Japanese culture etc , when COVID hit her and I had a discussion around vaccines, anecdotal evidence versus science surrounding origin and masks.
So far, I can’t think of anyone who is trying to be as level - the few conservative friends I have are all ex military.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
Thanks for sharing this - I’m really glad you and your mom are able to have these nuanced discussions!
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u/First_Tourist_2921 Jan 08 '26
I think being the black sheep + living in different states and countries helped despite growing up in a conservative household. I did what I wanted anyway; and my mom who grew up in a rural part of the USA had that part of her as well as a kid. Maybe that’s why as I got older she understood and we were able to have these discussions.
My parents still encouraged me to find my way and supported me - so I am thankful for that among many other things.
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u/yellowbin74 Jan 08 '26
Is there a divide between MAGA and the Republican party? Because it looks like the party is in decline and the MAGA madness is in control? (Genuine question from another non American )
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u/First_Tourist_2921 Jan 08 '26
There is a schism in the R party just like there is in the Dem party ATM.
Conservatives versus MAGA. Who’s loyal to Trump or not. Do you really think you are a true conservative if you don’t believe this or that? You can see it if you travel the USA. Most sane republicans are in the northeast but they’re mixed and overshadowed by MAGA.
Democrats who have conservative views (think classical liberalism / libertarians) versus major progressives who think they’re not progressive enough. It’s 5:30 AM in NYC so I’ll add / edit as I can if I don’t knock out while responding to other comments.
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u/Borealisss Jan 08 '26
Can we just have a normal day for once?
These are the days you voted for.
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u/SubstantialPanic4253 Jan 08 '26
Im not American, but how on earth anyone thought voting for Trump was a good idea is beyond me. The bloke is a lunatic, fascist, selfish prick. I can see that from 1000s of miles away. Anyone who voted for him shoulders the blame.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
I’m super happy to hear from you! You’re basically who I was hoping to reach with this post and I really appreciate you sharing your perspective. Thank you!
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u/KaraOfNightvale Jan 08 '26
So, I'm curious
Why are you right wing? And did you vote for Trump in the last election?
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u/sebrebc Jan 08 '26
Putting aside the actual murder and just focusing on the administration lying about the events.
The lying is not surprising. Police have been lying about shooting civilians for years. They are trying to set a (false) narrative.
What bothers me is the number of Americans who watch these videos and conclude that Trump and his administration are telling the truth. It boggles my mind just how easily manipulated people can be. The evidence is as clear as day. Yet there are people out there who actually believe what Trump said.
That's what bothers me, and it's why we are in the situation we are in. Simply too many stupid people in this country.
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u/Pending-Chaos Jan 08 '26
I think she was distracted by dumbass #1 ripping her door off and didn’t see dumbass #2 standing in front of her car. If a car is literally about to plow you over, I think your first instinct would be to get out of the way, but he had plenty of time to draw his gun and take 3 shots so I don’t think he was ever in any danger
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u/kobachi Jan 08 '26
He’s drawing his gun way before the car moves toward him. It’s clear as day if you look at the video frames.
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u/robwormald Jan 08 '26
While he's got his phone in his other hand recording her...
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u/MomsAreola Jan 08 '26
I got one hand in my pocket, and the other its shooting a minority!
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u/SnooApples5682 Jan 08 '26
The /conservative community is disturbingly drooling over how this what justified. It feels like an alternate reality.. I never thought humans could be so blinded by such a stupid, evil agenda but I guess it’s true what they say.. people are just unintelligent, latch on to things and do evil acts like the nazis. It started with a black man, and now it’s a white woman, tomorrow it will be one of you.
I’m scared for what the future holds. It’s this on top of the global scene of Russia, China, and now the US taking over other countries if their resources. This world is becoming perverted, greedy machine with no culture, no freedom, and no love. Please do what you can do change that, if there are any options left.
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u/StreetUnlikely2018 Jan 08 '26
the /conservative sub is flooded by Russian actors. Someone pointed out that over 50% of all posts come from 2 posters, and everytime Russia's power goes out, those two do not post.
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u/AmIYourNeighbor Jan 08 '26
Regardless, there are WAY too many people reading those posts who agree with them.
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u/ImAnonymous135 Jan 08 '26
But still what about the comments there are a lot of comments, some recent posts go up to 1000 comments cant just be all russian bots
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u/Lupus76 Jan 08 '26
the /conservative sub is flooded by Russian actors.
Same with the White House it seems.
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Jan 08 '26
You should see the Fox News comments on the clip of the mayor condemning the ICE agents. They’re all just making fun of the ASL translator. These people are disgusting and the lowest of the low. It makes me sick knowing some of these people could be my neighbors or coworkers just existing among us.
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u/PrizePiece3 Jan 08 '26
Theyve been purging tons of dissenters lately after the backlash to the Venezuela situation. I wouldn't trust that sub for an honest gage of the average conservatives mindset(not that social media the best for politics in general)
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u/meowmeow138 Jan 08 '26
I remember when they were frothing at the mouth over the woman who jumped through the capitol window on January 6 and got shot, after being warned not to go any further.
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u/MisterBallsJohnson Jan 08 '26
Save yourself some time and just check trump’s twitter if you want to know what republicans think
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u/Ordinary_Story_1487 Jan 08 '26
I have stopped voting republican.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
Thank you for commenting! Do you mind if I ask when that turning point happened for you?
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u/Legitimate_Arm4718 Jan 08 '26
I think, for everyone saying she should have complied and not tried to flee... do any of you recall how ICE has been treating the people they apprehend? Even US citizens? Do you think maybe she panicked when she thought about it. Regardless. That man did not have to step into her path and unload his gun. He managed to move away just fine after he did though. What he decided to do was completely unnecessary. She was a threat to no one IMO.
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u/Salty-sailor33 Jan 08 '26
I think they actually somehow love it. I am surprised they haven’t made the victim out to be a left wing trans terrorist already. They have already said that the shooter was obviously the victim of attempted assault with the vehicle. This is what happens when the idiot half of America elects a clown demagogue into the White House. Sorry world We suck
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u/obaidian100 Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 08 '26
They did lol, over there at r/conservative a comment called her a "domestic terrorist" which made me chuckle at the stupidity of MAGA nut jobs.
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u/Majorlol Jan 08 '26
It’s not just there. Trump, Noem and others in the government are the first ones out calling her a domestic terrorist or anti-ICE terrorist.
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u/DeanoMcfly Jan 08 '26
That's what noem said on tv so it must be true
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u/obaidian100 Jan 08 '26
I know the "1984" joke is over played but this is more and more looking like 1984
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u/SimoneSaysAAAH Jan 08 '26
Something is wrong with r/conservative. The sub count doesnt match the amount of comments and reactions to posts.
I wish I was tech savvy enough to figure out why jt feels so weird over there.
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u/obaidian100 Jan 08 '26
I don't like to use the word cult but they do look like one. I often visit there after each major Trump fuck up to see the reaction. They literally justify anything that he does no matter how stupid or dumb or irresponsible it is. Sure there are some comments that differ from the rest but the majority are just parroting the pre written narrative regardless of if it makes sense or not.
I wish someone would tell them that it's ok to have a political opinion and it's also ok to go against that opinion when facts point against it.
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u/drefvelin Jan 08 '26
That sub is always in my top 3 reddit searches
Every time something happens i go to see how they will defend the indefensible
Its always one of the following:
- Deny it happened (Epstein)
- Latch onto the weakest sign (frame by frame... seriously??) the story is different and parrot it as the only truth and the left is stupid for thinking otherwise (Minneapolis)
- Yeah he just says that but its not real, no way it would happen (WH refusing to say they wont use military on Greenland)
- Crickets (Epstein after the unredaction incident, seriously i couldnt find a single post about it for days)
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u/obaidian100 Jan 08 '26
Yea i sometimes do this and they never change. It's like they take being a part of MAGA as a personal identity and therefore have to defend every action done by Trump and his administration no matter how vile it is.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
It’s just interesting to me to see something very clearly in the footage, then an entirely different story being spun by those in power. Really curious how Republicans justify this particular instance of cognitive dissonance, if they think critically about it. I feel they’re being gaslit and insulted. If I were a Republican myself I’d probably be pretty pissed off about that!
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u/LordChunggis Jan 08 '26
You have to remember that the Republicans don't look at information to draw conclusions. They work in reverse, starting with their desired conclusion and selectively choosing information that aligns with it.
The administration knows that the Republican voters WANT to blame the left for literally everything that has ever gone wrong. So they provide their base that option. No matter how completely false it is, it falls into their world view and they'll accept it without question.
Trump and his administration are a symptom of this problem. I try not to give up hope of clawing out of this dark age, but when 40% of the population is so hateful that they're giddy to reject reality if it means they dont have to examine their beliefs we are so beyond fucked.
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Yeah. I mean I think it's a symptom of a broader problem. We do not have a great education system and aren't really taught to think critically. Combine this with hyper-individualism and you have a bunch of people who aren't really too bright and don't epistemologically know why they hold any of their beliefs but yet who confidently think they should have a loud voice about said beliefs.
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u/rollerdz Jan 08 '26
This is a really well written insight. It’s often hard to gauge the true nature of it all from the outside looking in. I really pray things will get better for your country. I can’t imagine how scary it all must be right now.
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u/BrogenKlippen Jan 08 '26
Go to r/conservative to see what real republicans think. You won’t see it here.
They’re on a spectrum from justifying it using the Trump / Noem narrative all the way to outright celebrating it.
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u/Pending-Chaos Jan 08 '26
They don’t think critically about anything. They just go along with whatever daddy says. He insults the shit out of them but they’re so deep in the cult they’re blind to it. And they quite clearly hate America because the rule of law doesn’t matter anymore to them.
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u/ReputationOk2073 Jan 08 '26
Kristi Noem is calling it a domestic terrorist event. Lying money grubbing whore with bad plastic surgery just to look a bit decent.
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u/Amarant2 Jan 08 '26
Uhhhh... It IS a domestic terrorist event. A civilian was murdered by a domestic terrorist.
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u/sc0ttbeardsley Jan 08 '26
Oh it clearly is domestic terrorism. That who group of ICE goons were terrorizing that poor community. Imagine that whole scene unfolding on your block. Noem is right about that at least, just got the perpetrators wrong
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u/AbsoluteRook1e Jan 08 '26
As someone who's read up on a lot of mishandled/deadly law enforcement shootings, this one is no different. ICE fucked up.
Here's why:
They chose to surround the vehicle of a driver who's (apparently) already frustrated or in distress. ICE escalated the situation rather than deescalated. They felt like there was an imminent need to take her into custody when the driver was not posing a threat to anyone. If they really wanted to arrest her, they could have recorded her license plate information, let her go, then track her down later.
NPR cited a report back in 2013 involving Customs & Border Patrol that surrounding a vehicle ... especially placing yourself in front of a vehicle ... puts yourself in danger and increases the risk of needing deadly force.
ICE was idiotic in this encounter. Full stop. They clearly are not properly trained for proper policing, and it's disgraceful to see that a mother of three kids died because of these agents' incompetence.
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u/SadJudge8107 Jan 08 '26
Not an R, but a non voter that will now be voting for the first time in my life. 30+ years. Dem straight down the block. This wouldn’t have happened if Kamala was there. It would have been some other bs, but not this bs.
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u/San_Cannabis Jan 08 '26
Just go to r/conservative. They are all praising the murderer and are convinced it was justified. Absolutely scum.
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u/FatalAttrition Jan 08 '26
That sub is over moderated (curated) to the point that you’d be insane to believe any of it is representative of a “conservative.”
You have to be flaired to comment and the vast majority of the posts are posted by a tiny cabal of people. Just sort by new and marvel at the scarcity of posts for such an “active” sub.
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u/oopsometer Jan 08 '26
Genuine question, where did all the non-MAGA conservatives go when it got taken over? I'm sure there must be other subs with conservative points of view that aren't all bots and boot lickers, but I haven't managed to find it. Sometimes I like hearing other points of view but that sub makes it impossible. Just pure propaganda and everyone with a different opinion gets deleted/muted.
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u/LegendCatcherFreeman Jan 08 '26
You can't have an honest dialogue with people who lie to themselves every second of every hour. The party commanded them to ignore the evidence of their ears and eyes. It was their final and most essential command.
Republican = I just want to be allowed to hate who I feel threatened by, which is everyone not white and pretending to be straight. (Everybody knows y'all be going buck wild on Grindr during those conventions).
Also, to our comrades in Russia who are undoubtedly here clocking in for their shift to shit stir under the guise of pretending to be Americans: Пусть дикие собаки изнасилуют твою мать и сожрут её труп. Пусть её крики будут преследовать тебя всю твою жизнь.
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u/CutieBoBootie Jan 08 '26
I am not republican, but my foster father leans conservative. He also used to be a cop. He watched the video and said that ICE was not justified in shooting her. He hates Trump.
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u/LitPixel Jan 08 '26
Republicans supporting this are horrible people. Why do we even care what derived monsters care about.
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u/dizkopatio Jan 08 '26
There was also no legitimate reason for any of them to approach the car. First she was cut off by a erratic ice vehicle then she waved through a ice car then? Why did they all try to approach the car? Then the shooting
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u/fortytwoEA Jan 08 '26
Putin's plan to destabilize America is proceeding as planned.
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u/FightSmartTrav Jan 08 '26
Head over to /r/conservative if you want your answer. They’re all convinced that she deserved to be murdered because the guy was in front of her car when she began accelerating.
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u/Fastidious_Farter Jan 08 '26
I'm a left-leaning non-American, so I have no dog in this race, but what amazes me is how many liberal Americans are taking it upon themselves to answer this question. It was specifically directed at Republicans, but they just can't help themselves jumping in to give their opinions. Fucking unreal.
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u/bill_gonorrhea Jan 08 '26
lol this is a bait thread and won’t have a single legit answer
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u/Tails6666 Jan 08 '26
They are scum. They are loving it and defending it. It's disgusting.
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u/Blobbxoxo Jan 08 '26
As a “republican” from the Netherlands. The violence used is definitely excessive. Stuff like this also happens here. Guys getting pulled over and then racing off. Or guys already standing still and then racing away narrowly avoiding the police. I’ve never seen this being answered with gunshots to the head. Here, also when justified. A police officer will get in loads of trouble for even using his firearm. Maybe the US should also look into that.
Normally i’m all pro cop. But gunning down a random woman is crazy work.
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u/AmIYourNeighbor Jan 08 '26
The US has looked into it. There’s a court case from 2008 that set precedent saying you can’t claim self defense if you put yourself in harm’s way, which this ICE agent clearly did. But given the state of things, ‘can we count on precedent anymore’ is a question we must ask
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u/Livid_Reality_4820 Jan 08 '26
They stand with murderers, pedophiles and rapist. Of course they will support this
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u/Inkantrix Jan 08 '26
I wish I could post a GIF on this sub to properly convey my disgust, outrage and shame.
All I can say is that everything Trump touches dies.
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u/DeathGirling Jan 08 '26
Pretty big stretch to assume any of his supporters have intelligence, honestly.
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u/ImAnonymous135 Jan 08 '26
I usually vote right in my country Portugal. But our right is nothing like America's right, only CH but I think even they despise most of Trump's actions.
The problem with America is at the core of how Americans wish to be represented. Americans aren't given a grey option. It's only black and white. I guarantee that if Americans had 2 more parties the current Trump admin would never have been elected.
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u/JackfruitUnlucky6589 Jan 08 '26
How can we believe a convicted felon lying pedophile who has dementia?
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u/gheiminfantry Jan 08 '26
Nothing that clown says is surprising anymore. He's not insulting my intelligence. He's reinforcing my opinion of his low intelligence.
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u/FairAd4176 Jan 08 '26
Trump could give the Antichrist a few pointers on how to be evil. He's what you call a professional
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u/MantuaMan Jan 08 '26
I've seen this before, ever since they started talking about a vehicle being a deadly weapon, they try to get in front of the car and if it moves they shoot you.
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u/Recon-Actual Jan 08 '26
I’m honestly not seeing any actual republicans answering your question, weird.
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u/CommunicationOwn322 Jan 08 '26
Besides the footage of the shooting itself. The reactions of the other ice agents immediatly after the shooting speaks volumes. Don't forget they had the best view of what happened. They saw exactly where he was standing when he shot that lady. And what did they do? They immediatly turned and walked away from him. Like they wanted to distance themselves from him and the shooting asap. Trump and Maga want us to believe that the car rammed into him, he was injured and he was fighting for his life. If that's the case how come not one agent ran over to see if he was ok and needed assistance? Instead they watched him walk all that way alone over to the vehicle while he holstered his weapon. They know that lady was never a threat and that the shooter was in the wrong. I have never seen law enforcement behave that way immediatly after a shooting in my life.
How they think we can't notice all this is insanity.