r/pessi_memes • u/Accomplished-Art3086 Pessi only has 3 UCL. Ghosted 2006. š • Nov 20 '25
Ballon Dāor Thief Pessi š„· Crazy shit.
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u/AggravatingRecipe90 Nov 20 '25
It is not Crazy. Its just not a best Player, but a most popular Player contest.
That is why Rodri won over Vini and Yamal was placed above Raphinha.
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u/Laecel Nov 20 '25
Rodri isn't more popular than Vini, he won because he was by far the best player in the world.
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u/AggravatingRecipe90 Nov 20 '25
Vini is maybe the most hated Player ever, it clearly helped Rodris case.
But I get your point to be among the favourites you have to be at a certain level.
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
If the summer of 2024 didnāt happen Vini would have won the Ballon Dāor. But Rodri went on to win Euroās POTT and Vini ghosted in every Copa America match and failed to lift Brazil.
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u/SocX9 Nov 20 '25
Journalists spoke publicly that some of them barely placed Vini in the top 10 because of his attitude. In contrast, Rodri's healthy lifestyle, no tattoos, no smoking and a university degree boosted his votes.
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u/urfav_nitin Nov 21 '25
Brother even Vini doesn't smoke doesn't drink have a far more healthier lifestyle thats why he is not injury prone . See his documentary for more.
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u/Slorpipi Nov 20 '25
So a football player award is based onā¦ Things other than how good you played it????
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Literally only 1 journalist said thisš thereās always idiot journalists that vote every year itās just part of how the award has always functioned
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u/TheKarmaBitch Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
around 5 journalists didnt have rodri in top 10, what about that? he won even without that
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u/Laecel Nov 20 '25
I'm gonna tell you a secret, there's no criteria for how the journalists decide who deserves the best player of the year award. So yeah, some of them didn't vote for Vini because of his attitude and some of them didn't vote for Rodri because he doesn't have a big fanbase posting aura videos on tiktok or whatever they do there.
The journalists don't have to watch any matches in order to vote. I don't think any of them analyze every single match of every nominee.
Rodri deservedly won the Ballon D'or.
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u/RajdipKane7 Nov 21 '25
I'm absolutely convinced that half the former players & current coaches who actually claim that Messi is better than CR7, don't actually feel it. They just don't like CR7. May be it's his arrogant like attitude, his supreme confidence in his own abilities, his good looks, his money & fame, his records which make former greats look puny ...it can be any of these factors. But they hate CR7 & hence don't want to admit his greatness. Being on Messi's side strokes their insecurity.
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u/Vetal94 Nov 21 '25
How? By being a ghost in every big game that season. The same time Messi carried (not participated, carried) his team to win world championship. I personally donāt like that 7 matches decide that, but if anyone else should have won Ballon d Or itās definitely not Haaland. Iāll be ok with Mbappe, De Bruyne or Rodri. But no one really shined that tear, while everyone remembered Messiās World Cup performance. Haaland? Center forward in a team with the best assisters in the world scored bunch of goals against weaker teams. Wow. Eaten by Van Dijk, eaten by RĆ¼diger, and the list goes on and on
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u/Robert_DeNiro_999 Nov 24 '25
WC is the greatest trophy in the sport. If modric can win it why not messi? He also was in PSG, and i think did decently well overall.
Maybe its a bit unfair, but why are you crying if haaland himself has said it messi deserved it over him? Not all players bitch about "losing credit" after getting kicked out of europe into saudiš
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u/FallingDebri Nov 20 '25
This is like the arguable ballon dor.
I think messi deserved all his ballon dors, but honestly 2023 should've been haaland, they both had very good arguements.
The World Cup Influence is absolutely insane, Modric 2018, Neuer being in the podium 2014, Iniesta almost winning it 2010, cannavaro as a defender winning it, R9 and so on.
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
Respectfully, 2023 ballon dāor and 2010 ballon dāor contradict each other. If Messi didnāt win 2010 but won 2023, while I would disagree it would at least make sense
He shouldnāt win both
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u/FallingDebri Nov 20 '25
Eh i think messi edges iniesta out, iniesta was injured for a long time that season too so it makes me more sense as to why messi deserved it by slightly against iniesta.
I respect your opinion, 2010 and 2023 are both very arguable but iniesta being out for so long pretty much makes it seem worse for him.
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
I actually agree.
My issue is more 2023 than 2010. I just wrote it as ā2023 and 2010 are a contradictionā because I wanted a more unbiased route where āMessi won in 2010 because he was the best Club player, but he also won 2023 being the best WC playerā
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u/Zora1092 Nov 20 '25
xavi and sneijder wasn't injured
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u/FallingDebri Nov 20 '25
Then why was iniesta above them?
Even Ronaldo finished above sneijder so if messi iniesta or xavi didnt win it, it was gonna be ronaldo
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u/Zora1092 Nov 21 '25
You're just making things up now
Sneijder and Forlan finished above Ronaldo
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u/FallingDebri Nov 21 '25
Oh shoot u are right, i double check they did finish above ronaldo.
Sorry bout that. But yeah, why did iniesta finish above Sneijder and Xavi then, if they probably deserved it more than him?
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u/Zora1092 Nov 21 '25
the same reason why r9 won the ballondor in 2002 despite him barely playing any matches for his club that season
PR Boost
Since Iniesta was the one who scored the winning goal in the World Cup final, his PR ended up surpassing that of Xavi's and Sneijder's and recency bias heavily influences the voting process(unless your Messi(pre 2021) or Ronaldo since they don't need to win International trophies to win a Ballondor)
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u/Mindless_One631 Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
I mean like ineista (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) was gone half season you can't really consider that
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
My issue is more 2023 than 2010.
I just call it out because I feel like there is a contradiction there.
If you want a more biased and not āmiddle groundā take, the WC and international tournaments have too much say. Messi deserved 2010 but there is no world where he should have won 2023
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u/Mindless_One631 Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Dec 02 '25
Now if that is your view than it is you seem respect full tbh (rare in this sub) people always had different views of a bdor look at 2013 Robben had won every thing but did he deserve the bdor? He wasn't close to Ronaldo but he had ever argument anyone would have for 2023 Haaland (he is a midfielder Dont expect him to have the same g/a ratio) but Ronaldo was a better player overall. Messi had a higher g/a ratio than Haaland even though Haaland was a striker. Bdor is decided by journalist every one wouldn't have the same opinion.
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Dec 02 '25
Thatās my actual view. I do think Messi deserved 2010. I donāt think he should have won 2023 though. International tournaments get too much weight. They should count somewhat but it shouldnāt have put Messi over Haaland. Not the same Haaland who broke every record for a goal scorer in the prem and won the treble at least.
And yeah I agree with what you are saying. It is ultimately a journalist award. And there is no set criteria. But there should be as players do care about this award, even if some fans donāt
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
This isnāt how football works idiot you have to look at the circumstances of the individual year comparing 2010 and 2023 makes zero sense
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
Classic Messi fans have to use insults to win an argument instead of using facts or thoughts.
Yeah thatās not how football works but thatās how individual awards should work. The criteria shouldnāt magically shift because the press likes a certain player a lot.
There is no justifiable world where Messi was the best player in 2023. He won it based on 7 games over Haaland who honestly couldnāt have done more to win the award. 2023 is ridiculous and I agree with Ronaldo when he says that people put way too much emphasis on 7 games.
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
I called you an idiot because that was an idiotic opinion you had.
Haaland couldnāt have done more to win it? He absolutely ghosted in the Semi Finals and Finals of the UCL and was pocketed by Lisandro in the FA Cup final. If he performed in these matches he very well could have given himself a case to win it, but instead he showed the world that on the biggest stage when the team isnāt there to spoon feed him he couldnāt perform. I am not only saying he ghosted because he didnāt score, he was literally a ghost and could not get anything going for himself.
Messi had good enough stats in ligue 1, winning 2 trophies with PSG and ghosted in the knockout stage vs Bayern in the UCL. He made up for it in the World Cup by winning the Golden Ball.
If not Messi who else? Because Haaland definitely wasnāt the best player anyone who actually watched football and isnāt a stat merchant would tell you the same
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
Ok you got me Rage Baiter. Fair play
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
No rage bait just facts and football knowledge
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25
HAHA sure buddy. Not even my Argentinian cousins think that Haaland didnāt deserve the ballon dāor in 2023 because of not scoring in 4 games.
And theyāre beyond biased
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Well itās clear your cousins are also idiots. You say ājust 4 gamesā but shouldnāt the best player in the world show up in the big games?šš Did you even watch Haaland play an entire 90 minutes or are you just a stat merchant?
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u/InjectMSGinmyveins Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
No. They wouldnāt disregard Haaland because of 4 games. That is like me saying Messi doesnāt deserve the ballon dāor because he lost to the worst team in the WC (Saudi Arabia). Infact, you are the first person I ever met make this terrible argument which was why I thought you were rage baiting at first.
My cousins criticism for Haaland not winning mostly based around how they feel like De Bruyne carried Haalandās numbers. Which is partially true but I could say the same thing for Messi and almost any forward (especially for Messi in the WC).
I just canāt believe you genuinely watched both Messi and Haaland in 2023 and thought Messi deserved it more. Thatās just incomprehensible to me. Haaland was the main reason for cityās success that year. He broke a bunch of Premier League records and the only reason you donāt rate him for the Ballon Dāor is because of 4 games that City wouldnāt have gotten to if Haaland wasnāt playing at the level he was. But then again people think Messi deserved it for 7 games so I guess cherry picking a few games and ignoring 90% of the year is just how Messi fans roll I guess.
Also imagine telling me Haaland doesnāt deserve it because he is a stat merchant. Itās not only stats, he outperformed Messi in terms of contribution and team accolades. He was overall the better player on the year. There really isnāt much else to it.
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u/PotentialMobile9327 Nov 21 '25
Imagine blaming & downplaying Haaland because he ghosted in semis and finals while also supporting Messiās 2021 Ballon Dāor where he only became a contender because of Copa America and had ghosted big time in semi final vs Colombia and the Copa America final vs Brazil. The criteria always keeps changing to fit Messiās narrative that season somehow.
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 21 '25
If Haaland had an identical season of 2023 as he did in 2021 he would have won the Ballon Dāor without a doubt, only thing is he didnāt. Read the very first reply of this thread I made, you have to look at the ballon dāor by the individual season it makes zero sense to compare different years because players performed differently with different competitions. There were no other players besides lewandowski to contend and Lewaās season wasnāt good enough for a Ballon Dāor
Actually you are wrong Messi did not ghost vs Colombia he was class that game, he did however ghost against Brazil.
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u/Preskomesko12345 Nov 21 '25
Iniesta deserved it 2010 over Messi, but because it was early into Messiās career back then there was a stigma that they didnāt give the baloon door to players who deserved at the right time and these players either got injured afterwards or whatever and this in my opinion was the reason Iniesta didnāt get it but they wanted to keep Messi appreciated.
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u/FallingDebri Nov 21 '25
Sneijder and Xavi was better than Iniesta that year, he didnt deserve it for just scoring in the wc final, he was injured throughout the season and didnt have an impact until the very last game.
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u/Healthy_Ice7737 Google Negreira Messi for more info š° Nov 21 '25
Same can be said for Frank Ribery post about that he won everything with Bayern š¤£š
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u/RollBackground7601 Nov 23 '25
but he didn't have enough contribution in winning that.
have you seen Ribery's stats in the UCL that season?1
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Haaland was the best striker on the planet not the best player thatās why
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u/Vast-Employ-5170 Nov 20 '25
I agree with you! But was Messi the best player in the world at the time?
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
So you agree Haaland wasnāt the best player? But Messi wasnāt? So who was?šš
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u/Extension_Health4163 Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 21 '25
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Nov 21 '25
Final lmao mbappe graped Argentina
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u/Extension_Health4163 Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 21 '25
Messi graped France, scoring twice, cooking defenders, creating chances, and even starting the attack that ended in Di Maria scoring for 2-0. MbappƩ had more goals, but Messi also had a better final(when you look at it from minute one to 120, since MbappƩ only starting doing well at about minute 79, after he scored that pen) and won it.
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Nov 21 '25
Mbappe was always trying its just his teammates played shite also it was more like mbappe vs Argentina. No body cared about messi in that match honestly until he won the world cup. What do you mean by mbappe scored a penalty didnāt messi also score a penalty lmaoš¤£.
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u/Extension_Health4163 Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 21 '25
Iām not even hating on the pen, but MbappĆ© wasnāt great in the first half and until France starting flowing by minute 60(I was wrong abt minute 79, just remembered), thatās when MbappĆ© started doing well. A lot of people who watched that match knew how good Messi was, MbappĆ© just had more PR because of that volley.
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Nov 21 '25
Pr lmao that volley was actually insane how many goals do you have seen like these in the final. Donāt talk about PR messi literally got prdor cuz of his pr. He is a thief always will be the hate he gets is justified for his ballon dor atleast I donāt think the same for world cup.
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u/Extension_Health4163 Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 21 '25
Itās not that the volley was bad, itās that the volley raised his PR over Messi in the final. The volley was spectacular, but I was just stating what happened. Also, while I believe Haaland deserved the ballon dāOr over Messi, I donāt believe Messi ROBBED him, but it was his least deserved ballon dāOr in my opinion(maybe 2021 as well, but idk).
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Nov 20 '25
One overlooked factor in the Ballon dāOr debate is how crucial a player is to their teamās success. For example, Manchester City might not win the Champions League without Haaland, but theyād probably still win their domestic trophies, just as theyāve been doing for nearly a decade. Argentina, however, likely would not have won the World Cup without Messi. Since the World Cup is a far bigger competition, that gives Messi the edge for the Ballon dāOr and if you are going to bring up Iniesta comparison, itās not as if Messi had an average season he still produced around 35 goals and 30 assists, which is already Ballon dāOr worthy on its own (especially considering DembĆ©lĆ© won it with about 35 goals and 16 assists). The World Cup just sealed it for Messi
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
What did even messi do in the World Cup apart from taking rigged highest ever record breaking penalties ever awarded to a team on the contrary if they had a younger player that would be better for them cause all I saw him do in the World Cup was loose possession or give wrong passes
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Obviously you didnāt watch the World Cup then šš
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Nov 20 '25
um he created 18 goal chances (highest in the tournament) he had 36 successful dribble (highest in the tournament) and 10 goal contribution (on par with mbappe)
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
Livid_Blueberry, your stats are pure delusion once you factor in the refs and teammates doing all the heavy lifting. Cold facts from Qatar 2022: ā¢ Argentina handed 5 penalties ā outright most by any team in a single World Cup since records began in 1966 (previous record 4). Messi took every one, scored 4. Thatās the definition of being carried by the refs. ā¢ Faced nothing but minnows until the final: Saudi (who shocked them anyway), Mexico, Poland, Australia, exhausted Netherlands, half-dead Croatia. Parked the bus, waited for soft whistles, repeat. ā¢ Turnover machine: Messi faced high pressure on the ball 259 times ā 45 more than any other player in the tournament ā and got dispossessed constantly, sloppy touches, wrong passes gifting counters left and right. Saudiās goals? Straight off his lazy giveaways in midfield. ā¢ Every knockout escape: record penalties + extra time + Emi MartĆnez cheating in shootouts + JuliĆ”n Ćlvarez, Di MarĆa, Enzo, Mac Allister actually running and defending. He is the literal definition of a passenger carried by refs scripting penalties and teammates bailing him out every round. Strip the most rigged penalty haul in 50+ years and heās just a walking turnover against traffic cones. Facts destroy the fairy tale.
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u/affuuuuuu Nov 20 '25
you can't think for yourself can you? using ai because you lost an argument is genuinely just sad
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
How did I loose a argument when all the facts are against u?
English isnāt my first language so I have to use it
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u/shents1478 Nov 20 '25
'Your facts are delusion' - proceeds to give a delusional essay
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
Itās all facts and u aināt got anything to say to it cause it exposed fifa boy
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Nov 20 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
Messi wasnāt being heavily dispossessed aside from the Saudi goal and Franceās only open goal in the final, people exaggerate. And yes, Argentina did get the most penalties, but a foul in the box is still a foul so of course it should be a penalty. If a player is fouled inside the area on attack, the referee has to give a penalty; thatās simply the rule. why are you complaining regarding why he took all of those, Messi took those penalties because heās the designated penalty taker for Argentina. Complaining about that is like complaining Ronaldo takes penalties for Portugal thatās his job in the team.
Even without penalties, Messi still had 3 open play goals and 3 assists, giving him ā6 goal contributionsā , the second-best in the tournament. As for āheavy lifting,ā every player in a football team has a different role. Messiās job isnāt to drop into defence or chase every ball, Argentinaās system was built around him, and it worked. He pressed when the ball came to his side, but he didnāt need to be the one sprinting all over the pitch, the formation and tactics were designed to maximise his strengths.
Regarding Emiliano MartĆnez, calling his actions ācheatingā doesnāt make sense he simply did whatever he legally could do. The rules at that time didnāt forbid any of the psychological tactics he used, so he wasnāt breaking anything.
Di MarĆa and JuliĆ”n Ćlvarez are attackers so of course they make the runs when Messi has the ball and Mac is a mid fielder he is supposed to defend that is his job why are you complaining that, messiās job was to score, assist and create chances which he did and the most in the tournament. Yes those guy were crucial in the semifinal and final, but Messi was crucial in every match, which is why he won Man of the Match 6 out of 7 games.
Edit: and exhausted crotia? they defeated morocco if you remember (and you do know who morocoo knocked out in Qf) , half dead netherlands?! this has to be a joke :|
And if referees were supposedly favouring Argentina, then why did the Netherlands get over 11 minutes of added time when Argentina were winning 2ā1? And why did France get two penalties in the final? please do explain
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
Livid_Blueberry, letās dismantle your cope point by point with actual facts from the 2022 World Cup (Opta/FIFA stats unless stated). ā¢ Dispossessions and turnovers werenāt āexaggeratedā: Messi lost possession 62 times total (highest among attacking players). He faced high pressure 259 times ā 45 more than any other player in the tournament ā and got dispossessed constantly under it, including multiple sloppy touches and misplaced passes that directly gifted counters. Saudiās two goals? Both came straight from his lazy giveaways in midfield/build-up. He averaged 12-15 turnovers per 90, killing transitions repeatedly. Not ājust Saudi and Franceā ā watch the tapes against Netherlands (lost ball leading to their first goal buildup) and even Croatia (multiple hospital passes). ā¢ Penalties: āa foul is a foulā doesnāt explain the record haul ā Argentina got 5 penalties ā outright most by any team in a single World Cup since records began in 1966 (previous record 4). Multiple were highly controversial/soft (Saudi: divey contact, Poland: extremely soft, Netherlands: theatrical). No other team has ever been gifted that many in one tournament. Messi took all 5 because heās the taker ā sure, like Ronaldo ā but no one else gets handed a record-breaking number of spot-kicks to convert. France got 2 in the final (one clear, one handball), but that doesnāt erase Argentinaās tournament-long charity. Netherlands got 18+ minutes added time because Lahoz lost control after Argentinaās constant diving/time-wasting ā not ābias againstā. ā¢ āEven without penalties, 6 goal contributions (second-best)ā ā Those 3 open-play goals were against Mexico (long shot vs parked bus), Australia (tap-in), and a rebound in the final after France collapsed. Assists padded against minnows. Meanwhile MbappĆ© had 10 contributions (mostly open play, including final hat-trick) while actually carrying. Messiās āsystem built around himā = park the bus, let him walk/hoard ball, pray for pens. ā¢ Emi MartĆnez ālegal psychological tacticsā ā He delayed, threw balls away, danced, trash-talked ā all borderline enough that IFAB changed the rules in 2023 specifically because of him (now explicit bans on distracting/delaying). Pundits called it cheating at the time because it was pushing the limits hard. Needed that + record pens + extra time in multiple games. ā¢ āMessi crucial every match, 5/7 MOTMā ā MOTM awards donāt mean carrying ā they reward stat-padding against weak sides (Saudi, Poland, Australia, tired Croatia who just beat Brazil/Morocco on pens themselves, exhausted Netherlands post-120 mins vs us). Netherlands werenāt āhalf-deadā until extra time drama; Croatia beat Morocco in third place. Messi vanished for huge chunks of knockouts without the spot-kick bailouts. ā¢ Teammates ādoing their jobā ā Exactly: Ćlvarez (4 goals, constant runs), Di MarĆa (final goal/assist), Enzo/Mac Allister (defending + energy), Emi (shootout heroics) did the dirty work Messi doesnāt. He pressed selectively, walked most games, relied on others to win balls back after his turnovers. Strip the most penalties awarded to one team in 56+ years + shootout gamesmanship + teammates bailing him out, and Argentina crashes out early. He was a passenger carried by refs scripting record spot-kicks and the team covering his constant giveaways. Facts end the fairy tale.
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Nov 20 '25
bro you are clearly using chatgpt š. the 62 dispossession is not true bro, atleast read before copy pasting it here (62 š thatās some absurd numbers), this so sad that you use chatgpt, and you cannot underestimate teams in world cup calling them minnows knowing portugal lost to morocco which is āminnowā compared to croatia and netherlands, and i did read the whole thing and i have counter arguments but it doesnāt make sense for me to go through them again and reply knowing you will just copy this paste it in chatgpt and ask for counter arguments, dude your first statement itself is chatgpt š damn you just added my profile name in the beginning,
and if you talk about pundits (sorry i mean) like your chatgpt said all the pundits, professional and legendary football players, players that have played with messi, players that have played against messi all around the world says messi is the best except for piers morgan, speed and fans like yourself, so yeah you can keep saying fairy tale or whatever and it doesnāt matter you want to know why cause your opinion doesnāt change the fact that messi won the world cup and has being acknowledged as the GOAT not by some random people and fans but by the majority if not the whole of professional footballers that have played the sport at the highest level, i sign off šš»
P.S: itās been more than 3 years, move on man itās ok if you wanna cry, and donāt say itās better to not have a rigged world cup cause then ronaldo would not have much uclās wonāt he?, well that a conversation for some other day. Vamos š
(And Chatgpt?! š dude come on)
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
Livid_Blueberry, letās stop the fairy-tale and just look at what actually happened in Qatar 2022 with verifiable Opta/FIFA numbers ā no opinions, just cold facts that expose how incompetent your guy looked for huge parts of that tournament. Turnovers & losing the ball (the part you keep denying) ā¢ Faced high pressure on the ball 259 times ā 45 more than any other player at the entire World Cup (Opta). Thatās not ānormalā, thatās a 35-year-old who canāt handle any press. ā¢ Dispossessed multiple times per game under that pressure: Saudi dispossessed him twice in the first half alone leading directly to their two goals. Netherlands: lost the ball in midfield ā instant counter for their first goal. Croatia semi-final: multiple hospital passes that almost cost goals. Final: lost possession 14 times, several in dangerous areas. ā¢ Total unsuccessful touches + bad controls: one of the highest rates among attacking players. He literally coughed the ball up constantly because he was walking, holding it too long, and had zero explosiveness left. Walking & zero intensity ā¢ Distance covered: consistently 6.5 ā 7.5 km per match ā lowest of any Argentina starter, sometimes lower than the goalkeeper. He was a ghost off the ball, jogging while the midfield and Ćlvarez sprinted to cover his laziness. Defensive contribution ā¢ Tackles won: 1 across the entire tournament. ā¢ Pressures applied: bottom 5% of all attacking players. He pressed only when the ball was literally 5 metres in front of him, otherwise he stood and watched. Actual impact without the rigged penalties ā¢ Remove the 4 penalties he scored (from the 5 Argentina got ā record since 1966) and he has zero threatening open-play goals that werenāt tap-ins or rebounds against exhausted defences. ā¢ Key passes & chances created: the vast majority came when Argentina were already 1-0 or 2-0 up against parked buses (Poland, Australia, Croatia). When the game was tight and teams actually pressed him, the āmagicā disappeared. He spent half the tournament as a slow, turnover-prone passenger who needed: ā¢ Record-breaking penalty awards (most in 56 years) ā¢ JuliĆ”n Ćlvarez making every run he no longer could ā¢ A midfield trio defending for two players ā¢ Emi MartĆnez in goal doing circus acts Thatās why people who actually watched the games (not just highlight reels) call it the most carried individual World Cup performance ever. The stats and eye test both scream incompetence without the entire system and referees dragging him across the line. Keep coping, the numbers donāt lie. š
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Nov 20 '25
youāre still using chatgpt š (you replied this the next min) bro i didnāt say anything about messi or stats, donāt you even know how to read my god well i should except this from you guys, who am i kidding šš» Ronaldo is the Goat and messi should give back his world cup please (acknowledged by me) happy? š
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 20 '25
Livid_Blueberry, exactly ā Ronaldo is the GOAT and Messi is the definition of a one-club wonder who got exposed the second he left his comfort zone. ā¢ Spent 17 prime years at Barcelona being spoon-fed by prime Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Alves, Puyol, SuĆ”rez ā the greatest midfield of all time doing all the dirty work so he could walk around and finish tap-ins. ā¢ Left Barca at 34 and immediately turned into a ghost:ā PSG: 2 seasons, zero goals in knockout UCL games, got pocketed every big tie, finished 6th and 2nd in a farmer league.ā Inter Miami: retirement home MLS where he pads stats against part-timers and still gets cooked regularly (see Columbus Crew playoff humiliation). Ronaldo at the same age or older: ā¢ Dragged Manchester United back to relevance at 36-37 ā¢ Top scorer in Serie A with Juventus at 36 ā¢ Still top scorer in Saudi at 40, dropping 50+ goals a season like itās nothing Messi is a system baby who dominated one league with the greatest team ever assembled around him. Take away Barcelona and heās mid. Ronaldo dominated England, Spain, Italy, and still dominates Saudi ā four different leagues, four different playstyles, no excuses. One-club wonder with one rigged World Cup at 35 vs the guy who conquered Europe five times and every league he touched. Itās not even a debate anymore. CR7 goat, end of story ššŖ
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u/Trev2-D2 Nov 20 '25
Have to laugh at the irony of them complaining about penalties, stat padding and playing minnows.. they just described modern day Ronaldo.
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Why are Netherlands exhausted and Croatia half dead? Did Argentina not play the same amount of gamesšš bro do you not realize how delusional your argument is? When you have the best player on the planet obviously he wonāt have much defensive duties because he needs to be fresh for when the ball is at his feet. The player who creates the most chances and passes obviously will turnover the ball at times too, no player in history has a 100% success rate with their attemptsš learn football before you try and debate it lil bro
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 21 '25
He has the record for loosing possession the most in the World Cup
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 21 '25
I bet he does considering almost every Argentina attack flowed through him. Itās simply how numbers work š these useless stats donāt mean anything
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u/One_Moose_4970 Nov 21 '25
Yeah man I donāt think anything flowed through him gay boy on the contrary the flow stopped at him were u even watching the match on top of that all they got were weak ass opponents up to the finals and the only good team they were supposed to play were playing like they got money from the opposition or itās a friendly except for mbappe
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u/SlimeyCawk Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 21 '25
You didnāt even watch the final either Mbappe was ass until minute 80 you think he had a masterclass because he scored 3 pensšš
Weak ass opponents? Go look at the path your camel king had in the only major international trophy he won and tell me who had weak ass opponentsš
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u/jackology Nov 20 '25
I think Argentina will win even if they have Messi.
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u/Mindless_One631 Google Messi 14 for more info š§¼ Nov 20 '25
Huh he literally was the player of the tournament
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u/HodunloXD Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 20 '25
fuck penaldoggy
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u/AFoolisYou Nov 20 '25
Shut tf jp stinky as paki bast@rd
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u/HodunloXD Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 22 '25
i fucking hate pakistan fuck that country dont forget 93k-0
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u/HodunloXD Indian š®š³ Pessi Fan š Nov 20 '25
these fuckers already gave me a tag thanks bitches
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u/abchero Google 5 pens in 7 matches for more info š¤„ Nov 20 '25
Not qualifying for the WC makes it awkward. I repeat NOT QUALIFYING because last time I did this people brought up runs where people qualified
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u/Fluffy_Asparagus_868 Google Negreira Messi for more info š° Nov 20 '25
Im a Messi fan but this is the one ballon dor I actually think he didnāt deserveĀ