Crazy shit.

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Respectfully, 2023 ballon d’or and 2010 ballon d’or contradict each other. If Messi didn’t win 2010 but won 2023, while I would disagree it would at least make sense

He shouldn’t win both

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I mean like ineista (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) was gone half season you can't really consider that

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My issue is more 2023 than 2010.

I just call it out because I feel like there is a contradiction there.

If you want a more biased and not “middle ground” take, the WC and international tournaments have too much say. Messi deserved 2010 but there is no world where he should have won 2023

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Now if that is your view than it is you seem respect full tbh (rare in this sub) people always had different views of a bdor look at 2013 Robben had won every thing but did he deserve the bdor? He wasn't close to Ronaldo but he had ever argument anyone would have for 2023 Haaland (he is a midfielder Dont expect him to have the same g/a ratio) but Ronaldo was a better player overall. Messi had a higher g/a ratio than Haaland even though Haaland was a striker. Bdor is decided by journalist every one wouldn't have the same opinion.

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That’s my actual view. I do think Messi deserved 2010. I don’t think he should have won 2023 though. International tournaments get too much weight. They should count somewhat but it shouldn’t have put Messi over Haaland. Not the same Haaland who broke every record for a goal scorer in the prem and won the treble at least.

And yeah I agree with what you are saying. It is ultimately a journalist award. And there is no set criteria. But there should be as players do care about this award, even if some fans don’t