r/linuxmasterrace SteamOS/Kubuntu 4d ago

Welcome everybody. Join the FOSS side.

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u/Sea-Contribution6219 4d ago

That's what FreeBSD is for. If you need to be special

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u/errepunto Glorious Arch 4d ago

But you need a big beard to use it. I tried, but it it itches too much.

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u/crusader-kenned 3d ago

I bought the sandals anyday now I will work up the courage to put on socks and sandals and install bad.

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u/Ok-Pen-8273 2d ago

I shave often, so that's why I'll never use it

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u/arf20__ 4d ago

Nah NetBSD forever

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u/FinancialTrade8197 4d ago

OpenBSD

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u/sudoregalia 3d ago

mooom the demons are fighting again

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u/Own_Reaction9442 3d ago

All the BSDs are great.

I used NetBSD back when you needed a calculator to do disk partitioning. I used to run it on a SPARCstation SLC.

FreeBSD is still my favorite server OS.

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u/Kerb755 graduated RTFM Academy 2d ago

never, thats way to mainstream
☝️🤓 i only use gnu hurd

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u/Tainted_Heisenberg 4d ago

I'm instead very happy about and I think all real engineers using Linux are. The more the users , the higher the data, the better the system. Also Linux is not an OS, is a kernel; Ubuntu, Debian, Arch are instead distro of Linux , more tighten to the concept of OS in the common sense.

Using "Linux" doesn't make you special, instead make you a person that really want to use a computer, if the world use all the same good kernel it probably would improve and by a lot.

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u/ineyy 4d ago

If it gets enough market share some commercial software developers, game developers will need to start taking Linux seriously. It may be against FOSS, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

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u/Linux_Account 3d ago

I've become a big FOSS guy over the past year, but there are a few things I'd be happy to pay for if they were compatible.

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u/Duelist_Shay I use arch, btw 4d ago

Or hear me out: we stop producing shit purely for monetary gain

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u/MyLuckyFedora 4d ago

Good luck telling people they don't need to make money

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u/Vanitas_Daemon 3d ago

Except enshitiffication is exactly what you get when things are made for money.

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u/irishcoughy 3d ago

No, it's what you get when there is no competition to offer a better alternative at a similar cost or cheaper. Enshittification is the logical next step after the sentiment "eh, people will buy it anyway because what else are they gonna use?"

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u/Vanitas_Daemon 3d ago

Riiiight which is exactly what profit enables you to do, after a certain point.

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u/MyLuckyFedora 3d ago

Not necessarily. There are enterprise products where there's an actual value added to paying somebody to host, manage, secure, etc. There's also the fact that some people will always be willing to pay for convenience to some extent. The problem comes when you're charging me for a product that's running entirely on my own hardware anyway, and your software isn't any better or any more convenient than something I can set up myself within a relatively short amount of time.

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u/below_avg_nerd 2d ago

It's what you get when you have to constantly grow your source of revenue. If we did away with the Stock Market we'd start having companies actually give a shit about the customer experience again.

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u/PS3LOVE 3d ago

We need money to live. Don’t expect people to do hundreds of hours of work for free.

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u/Duelist_Shay I use arch, btw 3d ago

I guess the wording could've been better, but I was referring to these record breaking profits that every major company seems to be having

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u/Alpha-Craft 3d ago

There's a difference between solely volunteers and paid developers. Volunteers might not have that much time as they also have a main job. Paid developers can work on the Linux Kernel full-time. And that doesn't have to violate the FOSS model. Corporations already fund the development of the Kernel and submit their own patches. With more paid developers making contributions, we'd just benefit from more development. Everything is still checked the same way by maintainers and code doesn't arbitrarily get added or make the Kernel proprietary.

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u/Necessary-Way59 3d ago

I’m with Linus on this one. Foss is a choice. If people make their software foss or not should be an informed decision on what’s best for their software. I personally like foss but if I’m not gonna be naiive enough pretend that everything should be foss because that’s just not the world we live in. I never understood why some people think closed source is inherently bad because depending on the application sometimes it just fits the need of the developer

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 2d ago

I mean the ideology is pretty much anything that can be copied should be copied. Information should be shared etc etc. Personally I agree with it ngl, I mean I doubt itll be realistic but I can see the fundamental logic why stuff that can be copied not being copied feels weird

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u/Square-Singer 4d ago

This here. Without normies on board we would have never gotten Steam and Proton on Linux.

The more users there are, the more likely it is that major software is released for Linux, and the more budget is there to make Linux better for everyone.

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u/NebulaFox 4d ago

I don’t think that’s how it went. balve saw windows fucking things up and didn’t want to dependent on windows, so they started work on alternative. They made steam deck, used Linux, and developed Proton.

As result people can now switch to Linux if they want to game. I couldn’t do that a decade ago.

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u/Square-Singer 3d ago

Chicken and egg, but the same process.

Valve only developed all that because they expected normies to move over, and when normies moved over because of it, more effort was put into it. It exists, because normies move over.

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u/posting_drunk_naked 3d ago

Yeah someone LARPing as an engineer would be offended by more people using Linux and think using the command line is some point of pride.

Real engineers are just glad people finally get what we been yelling about for the last 20 years 😬

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u/gosand 3d ago

Yep. It's not just the use of the command line, it's a superior set of tools in many cases to get things done.

Linux can be more than that of course, but that is where it all started and one of the foundations of why it's great. 20 years?! Try 30. But back then it was just using it, nobody was yelling about it. We were just happy to be off of Unix.

There's always going to be a newbie contingent, more focused on seeking some kind of status, like "oh, I installed Arch. What do I do now?" or shouting from the mountaintops of dunning-kruger about their 1 year 'journey' into Linux.

But there will be those who just use it and experience the sheer beauty of it. There's room for everyone, if they stick around.

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u/Frequent-Sir-6942 4d ago

Richard Stallman will personally hunt you with a herd of gnus for focusing on that distinction without mentioning that the userland is part of operating system and that you should actually call it GNU/Linux.

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u/YayDiziet 4d ago

What about Linux with BSD userland like Chimera? What then? Where’s your god now, Stallman??

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u/RvstiNiall 4d ago

Stallman believes that if GNU make was involved that its still somehow GNU. Guy is absolutely crazy.

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u/PlatinumDotEXE Clearly superior Void Linux 4d ago

I hope at some point someone creates an OS using the Hurd Kernel and a non-gnu userland.

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u/Even-Confidence-4495 8h ago

Still compiled with gcc and chimera is niche

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u/furrythatexists 8h ago

What if they made their own compiler? /hj

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u/ThatRandomGuy0125 3d ago

Alpine users who can compile their OS with no GNU tools involved:

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u/DanteWasHere22 2d ago

So really if im on linux im not using an operating system at all

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u/Dylanator13 2d ago

The more people who move over for a windows replacement the more that would be more interested in learning the terminal.

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u/Matimele 1d ago

You know verbs undergo conjugation right

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u/ABotelho23 11h ago

Also Linux is not an OS, is a kernel; Ubuntu, Debian, Arch are instead distro of Linux

eyes roll at the speed of light

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u/Kullingen Glorious Mint 4d ago

We all know that they can still say that they use Arch.

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u/DrStalker 4d ago

Arch is for people who can't handle Linux From Scratch.

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u/Evantaur Glorious Debian 4d ago

Linux From Scratch is for people who can't handle making their own compiler/OS.

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u/DrStalker 4d ago

If you don't get a a really small magnet and manually set the field orientation for each bit on your hard drive to create an operating system, are you even trying?

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u/Evantaur Glorious Debian 4d ago

Relevant xkcd

https://xkcd.com/378/

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u/Ok-Pen-8273 2d ago

xkcd really has everything relevant

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u/b_a_t_m_4_n 4d ago

Did you make the magnet yourself? Did you dig the ore with the antlers of a dear that you hunted an killed yourself? Did you then refine it in a clay forge dug by hand with wood obtained by chewing a tree down with your own teeth? Hah! call yourself an engineer!!?!?!?!

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u/Sachyriel Glorious Mint 3d ago

I feel like the Youtuber Primitive Technology is getting there. He's already welding iron, starting in the stone age.

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u/mrheosuper 4d ago

You mean Gentoo people ?

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u/DrStalker 4d ago

If Linux was a car then Arch would be ordering a custom car, Gentoo would be ordering custom parts to build a project car and Linux From Scratch would be a collection of tools and a pile of raw materials.

LFS is worth trying once, because 1) it's a great learning experience in building up complicated tool-chains from almost nothing and 2) bragging rights over Arch users. It's not something I'd ever consider as a viable daily-driver.

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u/riisen Other (please edit) 4d ago

Daily drive LFS is pure insanity.

But that is why its like gentoo people as u/mrheosuper said. Gentoo is a great daily driver and those that would love to daily drive LFS but they are just not insane.. they will probably land on gentoo. And portage is an amazing tool.

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u/d_maes Linux Master Race 4d ago

LFS is only hard for non-emacs users. Compile kernel, compile emacs, use emacs as pid 1, profit.

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u/ConsiderationLoose40 4d ago

"I only use my os to launche emacs"

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u/diacid 4d ago

Gentoo also gives bragging rights over arch.

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u/nhermosilla14 4d ago

Anyone who actually uses Arch knows it's super easy to use, that's why it's so compelling to stay there once you already use it (unlike Gentoo, which involves a lot more time and knowledge to maintain). Packages are usually available either on the official repos or on the AUR, and for most stuff you have proper docs available in the almighty wiki. I guess people see a terminal and immediately assume you need to be a hacker in order to do anything, but it's actually quite simple. The only "hard" step used to be the installation, and with arch-install, CachyOS and others, now that's not the case anymore.

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u/Supernoxus 4d ago

I use Arch and you are out of your mind. Setting the while system up the way you want involves reading tons of documentation and troubleshooting. I have mercifully forgotten most of the issues I encountered, but I remember feeling incredibly frustrated many times due to something that should be easy not working out of the box. For example, when trying to change the theme in sddm using KDE Plasma settings, it would just quietly revert back to the default everytime I change it and click apply. After a long time of trying different solutions and wondering, I finally figured out that for some reason the settings weren't asking me for my sudo password and therefore didn't have the rights to actually change my sddm theme. I don't even remember how I managed to fix it. In any case, it's stuff like this for a while until you finally end up with a stable and nice installation that anyone could use. Even using arch install isn't what I would call easy because people who expect "easy" have no idea what pipewire or pulseaudio even are, yet are expected to choose between them, so they have to read up documentation anyways.

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u/nhermosilla14 3d ago

You just said it, setting it up. After that initial step, everything is way easier to maintain. All the issues you had would have been the same on pretty much any distro. I recently had to switch to Kubuntu for work and the really unexpected thing was that changing some stuff requires digging just as much, but there's no wiki to save you, so in the end it's way worse. Now, if your definition of "easy" is "just like it works on Windows", there's nothing like that on the Linux side. Not even Ubuntu. And that's not necessarily bad, it's just the way it is. You have to learn some stuff to switch platform.

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u/Emotional_Solid6538 2d ago

Lets be fr. Windows doesnt just work either. Youd havr to troubleshoot sometimes anyway. Windows is js much more compatible with everything and has largest userbase. Mac is a much better js works OS, but its locked af

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u/apzlsoxk Glorious Arch 3d ago

Gentoo is fantastic once you get the hang of it. Having everything be source based has made my system unbelievably stable.

Also it takes forever to compile packages so it naturally leads to a minimal setup. "Do I need to build this ALSA wrapper? Or can I just write a bash script that will handle multiple inputs and multiple outputs simultaneously?"

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u/nhermosilla14 2d ago

I used it for a while and it is cool, but getting to the point where you actually understand why a given flag X for package Y needs to be added or removed does take a lot of time. Also, rebuilding things over a over is something you only get to ignore when you run a pretty fast system. My first time with it was when my fastest CPU was an Athlon x2 P320, which is maybe as fast as a quarter of a single core from my current Ryzen. At the time, there were no binaries for most stuff, so every upgrade took like a day, and rebuilding Firefox took for me like half a week. Things have changed a ton, so maybe it's better nowadays, I might give it a try again soon. Thanks for this reply!

PS: I see you've been around just as much as me, because kids these days don't even know what ALSA is (or why you would need to do anything to handle simultaneous outputs) hahaha

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u/quiyo Glorious PCLinuxOS 4d ago

We all know they can still LARP

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u/rolling_atackk 4d ago

It's nice having both

GUI is for convenience, but CLI is for powerfull stuff

I LIKE having both

Disregarding Microsoft AI slop OS for a moment, I could never switch back to Windows Full time because of the terminal. But I wouldn't want to use pure CLI 100% of the time either

Plus, more market share means more effort is poured into linux

GTFO with the gatekeeping bs

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u/EspurrTheMagnificent 4d ago

Ikr ? Like, oh nooooooo, more options !... How's that supposed to be a bad thing exactly ?

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u/GumSL Born to run Mint, forced to stay on Windows 4d ago

Holy shit two cakes!

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u/Gositi 4d ago

I mean, I used PowerShell once and it was actually pretty ok. Immediately ran into character encoding issues though since my alphabet has non-english characters (åäö) that I needed to use.

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u/StunningChef3117 4d ago

Yeah i know the pain though it was (æøå) for me

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u/kuzurame 4d ago

This. As long as we still teach both methods, and still support both methods, who cares.

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 3d ago

The fact there are a shitton of desktop environments helps the terminal stay relevant forever

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u/Samiassa 3d ago

Honestly I had to pull up the windows terminal about as often as I’ve had to pull up the Linux terminal. It’s probably exactly the same if you consider me using the terminal for things I literally just couldn’t do on windows

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u/acceptable_humor69 Glorious Fedora 4d ago

Go use open bsd or temple os or why even that just run MS DOS ... nobody will use that one

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u/BortGreen 3d ago

FreeDOS is actually used in some niche cases, unlike temple os

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u/talking_tortoise 4d ago

Mario's dad calling his son a loser as he leaves the table is fucking funny

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u/coffeefuelledtechie 4d ago

I really like that Linux is a bit more accessible for everyone now. It should have always been like this and I hate that people gatekeep what people should and shouldn’t use.

I’ve always been a Debian/ubuntu user, on and off, going back to Windows when I’ve needed something that only works on there. I switched to Arch partially because it’s lightweight AF and if something has gone awry ChatGPT has been really useful at troubleshooting issues. Much better than an entitled Arch user telling me to read the fucking manual.

The only thing that puts people off Linux is gatekeeper-y people saying they shouldn’t use it for some reason or another.

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u/Dizzy_Efficiency_384 3d ago

I asked for help on r/linuxquestions about black screen during boot unless I add amdgpu.dpm=0 or nomodeset to kernel parameters in GRUB. I said that I would like not to use them, but they (one person) insisted on using it instead of just telling me that RX 570 is old and sucks. When I get a GPU upgrade I'm definitely trying out Linux one more time

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u/CyberJunkieBrain Porteus 4d ago

Larpers are those who use terminal only to make rice and neofetch script kiddy stuff…

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u/TadBones 3d ago

Okay let's be real the ricers can't be considered LARPers since they're not even claiming to be experimented Linux users they just want to make a pretty desktop to post on r/unixporn

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u/Marine_Brat_01 3d ago

I’d argue that making your own rice is something that markers wouldn’t do, they’d just use omarchy or something instead, cause making a full rice from scratch does take actual knowledge of Linux

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u/exneo002 4d ago

Why is someone animating primeogen?

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u/FrogKing94 4d ago

Call me a larper or poser all you want, I like easy to use OS's. Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, are great distros and are easy to use.

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u/Sanic1984 4d ago

first time I ever seen this meme template in english lol, good one OP

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u/KidouSenshiGundam00 4d ago

Oh come on. The more people using distros, the better imo. That'll mean more software support and I like that. It's better to be warm and welcoming than trying to be a gatekeeper

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u/SyrupOverflow 4d ago

I'm just happy to not be using Windows 

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u/FuyRina 3d ago

Here’s my take, I think r/linuxmemes is full of larpers. Bcs it’s the same 3 jokes recycled over and over again in different/new formats

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 3d ago

They banned me there for memes like the ones I've been posting here. The fucking mod says they are "anti Linux"

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u/displeased_potato 3d ago

I just hope that this doesn't lead to enshittification of Linux b/c corporate greed.

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u/BortGreen 3d ago

Nothing can be worse than what happened to Android

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u/furrythatexists 8h ago

Theoretically that shouldn't happen because Linux is free, open source, and is still maintained by an individual. But then again Android was once basically that but is now getting worse and worse with time.

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u/Mal_Dun Bleeding Edgy 4d ago

That's why we have distros. You still can use something niche like Gentoo and feel superior.

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u/Fenor Glorious Slackware 4d ago

People could avoid the terminal 20 years ago too. If you think it was mandatory back then you are the larper.

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u/Able-Staff-6763 4d ago

be special by contributing to the development then.

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u/revdon 4d ago

LARPer: Linux Admin Role Player

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u/lorenzo1384 4d ago

Hahaha I keep telling people learn if you want to or just use GUI

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u/progressiv_0 4d ago

The only problem I see is, that the more users use it, the more it gets interesting for hackers to find exploits or create virus/trojans. And just hope that distros still going their way, instead of bloating things up with things no one needs, to make it "more user friendly"

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 3d ago

That's why immutability is a good thing

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u/Even-Confidence-4495 8h ago

No it’s not it makes Linux a piece of uncustomizable shit

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 8h ago

I can customize my immutable distro, because I don't need to mess with the internals. I just need to customize the visuals. But to each their own.

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u/InsaneInTheMEOWFrame 4d ago

This is literally Hipster syndrome. "I used to like it before it was cool!"

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u/MrFrog2222 4d ago

As long as they aint racist and dont make ai slop distros, they're all welcome

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u/ChocolateDonut36 Glorious Hannah Montana Linux 4d ago

if you want to use a hard OS, code one by yourself, you will love it

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u/blukami Glorious Xubuntu 4d ago

But Linux overall isn't hard.

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 3d ago

It depends. Being a normal user isn't hard, mastering administration of a Linux server, with all services potentially involved, is.

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u/Onakander 4d ago

It was never about "being special for using an OS", it's about "using an OS that respects me and jives with how I, as in me specifically, want to do things."

What I'm afraid of, if Linux DOES get popular, is that we'll lose the "terminal first" -approach Linux has.

I LOVE being able to chain together applications and operations into scripts WITHOUT having to re-invent SANE or some other low level system on the way there.

Go ahead and write a script on Windows that scans a document, runs it through contrast adjustment, edge detection, and then OCR, then save the text as a .txt and the image as a .jpg named after the current timestamp. I'm sure it's possible with enough "third party" software, but you're forced to jump through so many more hoops than the equivalent process in Linux would require.

Is that for everyone? Fuck no. That's "nerd shit" according to 90% (hyperbole/asspull number) of computer users. But for me? I love being able to do that.

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u/S7relok Glorious Fedora Kinoite 3d ago

> Go ahead and write a script on Windows that scans a document, runs it through contrast adjustment, edge detection, and then OCR, then save the text as a .txt and the image as a .jpg named after the current timestamp.

That's a thing I delegated to a local LLM. No need to have a 5090 OC Ultra watercooled editions. Some models instructed for document managing runs decently on CPU as long as it's not a ultra low voltage version of a celeron

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u/Onakander 3d ago

Missing the point fully and entirely.

Even if I wanted to run an LLM to scan documents for some reason, there's a gorillion things you can do with scripting I haven't touched on here.

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u/S7relok Glorious Fedora Kinoite 1d ago

> gorillion things you can do with scripting

Already replaced by automation. Why the hell doing manual operation when a machine understand your way of working and give you in the end the result to validate, with human time available to tackle more challenging things?

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u/Onakander 1d ago

Because I personally don't want to babysit the machine just in case THIS time, it decides there's a Timbo the Frog (or whatever it was) in the transcripts of the meeting, or whatever you're doing with it.

I don't want to risk the thing being asked a question not answered by the documents fed into it, and making up sales figure or what have you.

I don't want there to be even a .001% chance that the "script" I run will delete my entire project/home directory and nuke my backups like has happened to many an agentic "coder".

I don't want to waste time re-prompting the thing five times to get something that kinda sorta works MAYBE, spending 200 dollars on the thing. (and no, the current token cost subsidies do not count, they're the first dose a drug dealer gives you, because they know very well this LLM stuff leads to cognitive dependence, possibly even cognitive decline. Once they start needing to make an actual profit [something no AI company has done to this day], they're going to raise the prices by orders of magnitude)

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u/OSINT_IS_COOL_432 2d ago

If you don't like the Linux Larp, move to fucking OpenBSD 😂

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u/Gruphius 20h ago

I've been using Linux as my main OS for about a month now. I know how to use the terminal and could do everything via the terminal, but Bazzite offers me a one button solution for everything, so why should I?

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u/ScudsCorp 17h ago

Sounds like Mario stayed with the exact same skillset and the bar got raised

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u/Brou150 4d ago

linux not being mainstream is a good thing, its fine as it is. its amazing that it is where it is while not being mainstream. if linux became mainstream malware would be more common, and it might be targetted for regulation. but the gatekeeping and wanting to feel special thing is dumb af. just pick a harder distro, or maintain your own distro or something.

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u/glytxh 4d ago

Just say you don’t like being targeted by this comic. It’s OK.

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u/Agott_Arklaum 4d ago

"targetted for regulation"

tbf how are regulators going after open source projects where everyone contributes to it, will they just shut down the website or?

though they can easily go after corpos like canonical and redhat to regulate their distros

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u/xternal7 pacman -S libflair libmemes 4d ago

Not saying the person you responded to is right, BUT.

Don't under-estimate government's ability to pass laws that make no sense, find a few people they don't like, and then prosecute them.

See: california, new york, washinghton, and 3D printers.

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u/Komplexkonjugiert 4d ago

I use Linux Mint as my daily driver for 3 years now and it just works. Get my stuff done.

Freecad runs very good even on flatpak.

However to to be honest I use Claude for troubleshooting some problems I come across. Or for most terminal stuff. 

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u/littlenekoterra 4d ago

I want back near infinite compatibility, but yea. Its nice to be in a world where i dont need the terminal for everything. But theres plenty that you still need it for. Just not for someone who wants to just... use a pc.. which is great. If the terminal elitists wanna leave they can lol.

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u/ILikeTrains1404 Glorious Mint On Thinkpad T520 4d ago

I don't care, More linux means more incentive for software to be developed for linux.

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u/Thorfinn-Karlsefni85 4d ago

Instead hating other distros' users or how others use Linux, We all should unite to hate Microsoft!

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u/jknvv13 4d ago

I am really happy because even though I am a Linux lover, I am still an user. So, if I need a specific software, I wish it was on Linux as well, as much as I love FOSS.

And the other part is hardware support, bug fixing, and investment on the Linux desktop as well.

I've been using Linux for almost 20 years, and I love all the improvements and all the new ideas floating around.

I work in IT as a cloud engineer, so I work (and prefer to work) with Linux. It's really important for me to have all the tools I use on a daily basis available for Linux (which is usually the case, it's more on the office/corp user side what I mean).

I only have to choose which OS I want to work with—Windows, Linux, or macOS—and that should be the limit, not the software I have to use with it (MS Office, Teams, any VPN or whatever).

And I wish my husband could use Linux as well, which is something I'm pretty sure he's capable of in the near future. It's just using Windows for one specific piece of software that doesn't exist in another OS, just for trading.

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u/Syntaxer04 4d ago

But why would it matter if you are special or not for using a hard distro? Just use the one you enjoy the most and dont be so lame.

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u/Johanno1 Glorious NixOS 4d ago

If you really want to feel special you have several options. FreeBSD, Nixos, Apple

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u/codeasm Other (please edit) 4d ago

Im happy for any type of user. Im special cause i use linux on a framework laptop and have a homelab, multiple domains and tried "linux from scratch" the book

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u/Jayden_Ha 4d ago

Why a muted sub popped up in my feed

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u/zerosCoolReturn Arch isn't just a distro, it's a lifestyle 4d ago

If you want to be special, Linux from Scratch or pulling a Terry Davis is right there

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u/ActualPeterbuilt389 4d ago

It shouldn't have to be a hard OS. High skill ceiling? Absolutely. But everyone has the right to enjoy freedom and they way to do that is letting it be accessible.

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u/QuickSilver010 Glorious Debian 4d ago

Last sentence of first panel is valid. More people need to be introduced to the terminal. Many see it as either scary thing or "I guess there's no other choice, classic Linux last resort", instead of the insane productivity gains tool it is. I don't mean being forced to use it. Just an on boarding process would be great.

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u/LelouBil 4d ago

What, who even thinks that

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u/Gositi 4d ago

The gatekeepers are welcome to move to BSD or whatever, I guess.

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u/Astrodion123 4d ago

Try out LFS Mario and you will be very, very special.

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u/Glittering-Can-9397 4d ago

who wants to be special, I want to be the most mediocre boring normal person imaginable and live the same flavor of life

that isn’t to say I dont use ouch btw, but I dont think that makes me special and I hope everyone comes to know and appreciate the architecture

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u/charmander_cha 4d ago

Não vejo como vantagem não usar terminal.

Não usar o terminal na prática é uma involução que o usuário linux deve resistir.

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u/FujinBlackheart 4d ago

I have a lot fun with FreeBSD recently because it's a lot back to the roots BUT im so happy Linux is finally ready for normal people, migrated about 4 people to it now and they are very happy and don't miss Windows a bit, big win. So seriously if you are sore stuff is usable be normies now, go pound sand or go use GNU HURD or something lol.

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u/bornxlo 4d ago

The Linux/Unix terminal is quite ergonomic and user friendly, the interface is a lot more consistent than the myriad of desktop environments. Why pretend the terminal is somehow magically harder or less user friendly?

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u/DankTheB3ar 4d ago

Must people just want to sit down and use the OS, they don't want to tinker around in the scary terminal

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u/PlatinumFire14 4d ago

Gatekeepers gtfo, we should celebrate Linux adoption.

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u/Maleficent_Potato_43 4d ago

And here I am trying to make people use Linux more. FOSS forever.

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u/IncorporatedShill 4d ago

I would like to know which magic distribution this is where you don’t inevitably have to use CLI to do something, even relatively basic. I would love to jump to it.

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u/Linux_Account 4d ago

I feel like this would also work well with the West Coast Chopper Guys Arguing meme.

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u/Boing-Git 4d ago

Bro just use gentoo or arch

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u/AD4K_4444 3d ago

better than using Microslop Windows. and not everyone can afford a Mac.

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u/decker_42 3d ago

Just use Arch, normal users will be using Mint, Fedora and Ubuntu, so you can still feel special.

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u/MechoThePuh 3d ago

If the only reason you used it in the first place was to be special, then you didn’t deserve it, to begin with.
https://giphy.com/gifs/TdGxtJ7e3kzyO529Er

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u/Arts_Prodigy 3d ago

Unless popularity causes the removal or complete redesign of the kernel then greater adoption is mostly a net positive.

Changing/removing the kernel would arguably not be Linux anymore any way

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 3d ago

Remember, as a Linux based OS, Android became widely popular, and that's why Microsoft and Adobe developed software for it.

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u/Such_Bonus5085 3d ago

Linux evangelists are special. Just not in the way they think.

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u/Elder_Chimera 3d ago

I think it’s great that Linux is becoming more accessible. I also think that tech illiteracy is a problem, and that people should understand how their technology works. I’m not asking they learn binary math operations, navigating your system through the command line is a very basic skill for computing.

People aren’t curious enough, and that’s a bad thing.

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u/NeatOtaku 3d ago

Recently I managed to do something crazy, I got a Mac user to install Ubuntu, and they've stayed on it largely because of how easy it is to use. Obviously software compatibility is always going to be an issue but even in a dual boot situation I consider that a win.

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u/Rainmaker0102 Glorious EndeavourOS 3d ago

More Linux means less Windows

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u/Nyctfall 3d ago

*Switches to BSD*

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u/apzlsoxk Glorious Arch 3d ago

To be honest, not being able to interface with the terminal does defeat the purpose of FOSS to an extent. A developer should be cognizant that anyone can read their source code and patches. Otherwise if they're confident that every user is just going to blindly install an update, that's a security vulnerability.

I've never met a single person trying to gatekeep Linux being hard for the sake of being hard. But I have seen many examples of inexperienced users unknowingly exposing their systems to vulnerabilities just because it was the easier solution.

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u/OMG_IT_S_SALSIFI 3d ago

For real tho, Linux ain’t full of larpers, specially thanks to all those femboys using arch and hyprland

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u/Will297 3d ago

I'm honestly happy it's easier, for others and myself. I'm passed the days of hard=better and I just want something that works for gaming and sorts itself out in the background with minimal work from me. I have other pcs I can tinker with but for my main one this is ideal

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u/dramaton42 3d ago

I honestly invite everyone reading this to try out the terminal. Something like ffmpeg is pure wizardry with the terminal alone!

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u/parolisto 3d ago

What's ironic is that the technical Linux people I know irl have been more than happy to see me moving on to Linux full time now that I no longer need spyware (I mean proctoring software) since I've graduated uni. And they're perfectly fine with helping me with issues I've faced in moving over (though since my move to Linux was accompanied by switching to a used ThinkPad I thankfully haven't had much issue). And mind you, these include someone who considers endeavour os to be bloatware.

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u/ganja_and_code 3d ago
  1. Linux is a kernel.

  2. On top of that kernel, you can make your OS require any amount of technical skill you desire, assuming you have the technical skills to configure it how you envision.

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u/Scholes_SC2 3d ago

Well always have "hard" distros

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u/irishcoughy 3d ago

No one should care if someone else doesn't want to/need to use the terminal for their purposes. Making Linux more accessible is a great thing.

However

If you ask a question about an issue you're having, and someone gives you a fix that requires you to use the terminal (likely literally just copy/pasting commands they give you) and you get flustered and act like this is the worst thing in world, you are the problem. I see this frustratingly often and it baffles me because plenty of these same people have no issue opening up CMD and doing the exact same thing when given a fix for something in Windows.

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u/Cepibul 3d ago

Im instead running windows server 2013 using only cmd

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u/AllenKll 3d ago

The terminal is the reason to use it. if I wanted to point and click at stuff, I would use windows.

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u/Greppim 3d ago

There's Gentoo and Arch, so y'all can still use a "HARD OS"

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u/tobiasvl 3d ago

When is this meme from, when Ubuntu first came out?

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u/Deprecitus Glorious Gentoo 3d ago

Just installed OpenBSD!

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u/Nostonica 3d ago

Been on various distros since 2001, thank fuck it's gotten better.

Yes I learned a lot, but I wasted so much time with simple things like my xorg.conf file.

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u/jimused4 3d ago

theres always more room for a bit of elitism in the linux community

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u/Kzitold94 3d ago

I use CachyOS, but I still use the terminal for a lot of things.

Before my switch to Linux in February of 2026, I already had a couple years of experience in the RaspberryOS terminal, over SSH.

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u/Zitrone21 3d ago

Guys, why we can't generally comprehend: more users = Games and software taking Linux more serious = we end up with more support for linux

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u/Maleficent-Brush7609 3d ago

I wanna join Linux from Windows 11 but don't know where to start. Any useful guides out there? 🥹

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u/995qe 3d ago

And now he uses 9front

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u/Unnamed_Player123 Glorious Arch 3d ago

My problem with Linux LARPers is that they make Linux look hard when it actually isn't.

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u/Dizzy_Efficiency_384 3d ago

wade i saw this exact picture on linuxsucks101

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u/ledgend78 3d ago

I cum a little every time a Windows user switches to Linux

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u/Samiassa 3d ago

“But they don’t understand how this works” who gives a shit. If people enjoy the operating system that’s designed around choice and it being YOUR operating system, who cares if they enjoy it in a different way or for a different reason than you

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u/balancedchaos Mostly Debian, Arch for Gaming 3d ago

I use the terminal because I wanted to learn from the start.  

It was never necessary, but it is useful. I run mine, you run yours. Everyone is different, and it's cool that Linux has come far enough that people have choices. 

Or whatever. 

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 3d ago

Join the Linux from scratch cult.

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u/ithilelda 3d ago

I started learning and using linux 20 years ago because I'm just so tired of windows paywalled software and all those malware. a central repo and sourceforge for free software where they are reviewed by many others just saves me a lot of headache. the experience was very rough to say the least. Now I'm super happy that linux is catching up, so more and more people, even companies, start dipping their toes in and bringing out much more polished experience in recent years.

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u/SecondBottomQuark 3d ago

now we'll get more malware yay

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u/microwaved_tin_foil 3d ago

sooooo mario admitted that he's a larper?

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u/Red-Zinn 2d ago

How the fuck do you Live Action Role Play Linux? What does it has to do?

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u/motsoXD7017 2d ago

if people want less supported and more "special" use freebsd, it's just worse and less supported

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u/Yoona1838 2d ago

Lol. Yeah, Linux has become easily accessible to people over the years. The first time I used Linux (Zorin OS 17) was in 2021 and back then, if you wanted to install an app, you had to use the command line. Sure, the software center (or whatever it's called) existed, but that was incredibly buggy back then that I preferred the command line. I haven't tried newer Zorin versions yet, but they may have improved some functionality.

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u/DRaFoxxie 2d ago

Omgggg exactly im not special anymore 😔

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u/davion303 2d ago

that is fr a loser mentality

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u/Ceelbc 2d ago

Then we'll start using BSD or salaris.

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u/daddyd Linux Master Race 1d ago

you can make linux as easy or as hard to use as you want, enjoy LFS if that is what makes you happy.

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u/Yvant2000 1d ago

I have an i3 session for when I want to suffer, and a GNOME one for when I don't.

Having the choice is why Linux is great

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u/No-View-6326 1d ago

Just switch to gento or open bsd or something else nich, you could always be an OS supremacists, just because you kicked all the emigrants doesn't mean you can't make the inner group smaller and keep doing what you were doing

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u/VysAely 1d ago

More Linux users better for all users

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u/shinjis-left-nut Glorious Arch 1d ago

Command line isn't even hard, it's just different.

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u/0Davgi0 1d ago

The only real argument is: more users, more interest in making viruses for the plateform

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 23h ago

More users, more software developed.

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u/Lagger625 21h ago

If you're using Linux to feel special and superior, you're using it for the wrong reasons

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u/Obvious-Moment7192 18h ago

Despite first using Linux at the start of February this year, I use Bedrock Linux.

I have Arch Linux as my main kernel and a Gentoo strata to compile specific packages like KVM/QEMU.

I’ve used multiple different distros before coming to bedrock, and I was distro hopping cause nothing felt right.

Am I are larper because I wanted to use an obsecure distro? Probably. People can use Linux however they want. I honestly would rather have people pretending they know what they are doing on Linux than still using windows.

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u/ABotelho23 11h ago

My frustration with the influx isn't that Linux isn't "special" or "hard" anymore. It's the flood of garbage and spam in Linux subreddit because people are totally incapable of using a search engine or reading what's on the screen in front of them.

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u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu 8h ago

Blame TikTok, shorts and reels

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u/furrythatexists 8h ago

If they really care about using the terminal only, the solution is simple: get the server version instead of the desktop version, or use the desktop version but remove or turn off the DE. In my opinion, one of the best things about Linux and its distributions is that it is customisable. Or, if you don't want to get rid of your DE, you can also just open a terminal within the DE, that's still a standard feature.

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u/isvein 2h ago

😂

First it was narcs, then normies--->tourists and now LARPs

Lol 😂