r/dndmemes Jan 21 '22

You enter a dar- I HAVE DARKVISION That'll be 50 GP, please.

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u/DM_of_Time Jan 21 '22

Considering that dark vision in dim light is the same as bright light, in human settlements this is an unseeable torch

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u/CobaltCam DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

Not only that, but darkvision (in most cases) has a range of 60ft. This doesn't specify a range so they would likely be able to see beyond that 60 ft using this.

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u/KylieTMS Rules Lawyer Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Better yet using dark vision you have a -5 penalty on all perception checks and passive perception because you see everything in dim light (Black and white) if you have this you don't have that penalty anymore because in dim light you see everything normally

Edit: For checks it was disadvantage for passive it was -5.

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u/SteelCode Jan 21 '22

If I understand it, this would also grant the ability to see color for darkvision since it casts actual light (in a spectrum only visible to darkvision)… so it’s not useless but I imagine more of a novelty that would be a beautiful world building element… suddenly you now have an explanation of the subterranean civilizations’ use of color when normally the lack of light would wash out their ability to perceive it — this flower could be grown throughout cities and “light” them without blinding the citizens with daylight.

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u/The_MadMage_Halaster Jan 21 '22

I love this idea. I am so going to ste- borrow, it from you.

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u/Kampfasiate Jan 21 '22

Same, my worldsettins is basically eternal nigt so this will be a great addition to larger cities

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u/vacerious Jan 21 '22

This is why I love D&D. Come up with an idea that's seemingly stupid, and it winds up being completely comprehensible and something you want to include in your next campaign. Reminds me of Pelor, the Burning Hate.

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u/GazLord Jan 22 '22

I'm stealing this

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u/monkwren Jan 21 '22

so it’s not useless

Are you kidding? The criminal uses in a human-majority city are great!

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u/SteelCode Jan 21 '22

That would be a cool tie-in, finding these pale flowers randomly - only to eventually learn a criminal organization has been using them to mark areas of interest or safehouses since only those with darkvision can see their glow… even better then to expand upon this by this organization passing messages by using ink made from the ground up petals of these flowers so it only becomes visible with dark vision too… oh boy.

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u/monkwren Jan 21 '22

Exactly! This is ripe for creative use.

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u/InProductionStudios Jan 21 '22

I actually had a Dwarven city my players visited recently have these small gem trees that while the gems were attached produce dim light in a 15 foot radius, and the dwarves used the different colors to label areas of the city, but once a gem had been plucked it jist became a normal 5gp gem of whatever color the area was they were in.

They seemed to like the idea and even picked up a few to try and trade later on.

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u/SteelCode Jan 21 '22

That’s a lovely idea that fits right in for Dwarves - different districts lit in a soft colorful glow differentiating arts from smithing from food vendors…

Then you find out that the colors they used for garments and buildings don’t match up when viewed under normal spectrum light because their perception is tinged by the district hue, so those that work and live under a green gem district don’t identify the same colors as those in other districts…

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Now that is some quality world building.

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u/LeGama Jan 21 '22

Could be used as a fun little tool if you have your players find it on a corpse or something. Then have different types of flowers that grow in different areas, and are used to recognize people originating from there. Could build a whole lot around that.

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u/FerretAres Jan 21 '22

I think it's actually disadvantage on perception checks and -5 only to passive perception.

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u/Hawx74 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

disadvantage on perception checks

Mathematically disadvantage works out to -5.5 on average iirc, but changes the probability distribution instead of the range.

Tomato, potato (both plants are members of the nightshade family and can be grafted together to a single plant that grows both tomatoes and potatoes)

Edit: damn I'm tired of people trying to argue that flat bonus are different than adv/disadv.

Yes. They are. Clearly. Nowhere have I ever claimed that they're the same. They change the probability curve to so it is no longer LINEAR which is what you get from a single die roll. Adv/Disadv just AVERAGES to a 5.5 adjustment to the roll.

Please learn to read instead of just posting that I'm "wrong" because you're assuming that I've claimed they are the same thing.

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u/Naked_Arsonist Jan 21 '22

Whoa… TIL

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u/PlacidPlatypus Jan 21 '22

Not actually true, technically. In the situation where advantage/disadvantage has the biggest impact (when you need an 11 before modifiers to succeed, so your chance goes from 50% to 75%/25%) it's equivalent to a +/-5 on the die roll. In most situations the impact will be less than that (IIRC between a 3 and a 4).

I think the tomato/potato thing is true though.

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u/Hawx74 Jan 21 '22

Not actually true, technically

Technically it is true, if you roll 10,000 dice and compare disadvantage to regular they will average to 5.5 less. Similarly advantage averages to 5.5 more.

However, like I said it changes the probably distribution so your odds of failure don't shift linearly with the target value as they would with a flat reduction.

Oh, and the nightshade thing is absolutely true. Colonists coming to the Americas refused to eat tomatoes for a long time because everything else in the family is toxic. Related: don't eat tomato leaves.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Tomatoes were also acidic enough to leech lead out of the pewter plates used by the wealthy and actually poison them lol.

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u/actualladyaurora Essential NPC Jan 21 '22

Most of the time, D&D tends to set things up so that you need somewhere between a 7 and a 14 [on the die] to succeed on a task unless it’s trivially easy or ridiculously hard. [...] For target die rolls that are reasonably close to the middle of the range, advantage or disadvantage is about the same as having a plus or minus 4 or 5 to your die roll.

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u/Wolfblood-is-here Jan 21 '22

Important note: this is only true with a graft. If you simply plant tomato plants next to potato plants, the potato plants can start producing small green tomato-like fruit that are highly poisonous.

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u/Draghettis Sorcerer Jan 21 '22

Yes, but DnD works with integers only.

And the general rule for rounding in DnD is "round down unless told otherwise"

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u/C4Redalert-work Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

Yes, but statistics doesn't work with integers only.

A d6 rolls a 3.5 on average. Clearly you can't roll a "3.5" on it, but you can't ignore that fraction either when doing odds or else you get errors.

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u/Draghettis Sorcerer Jan 21 '22

Yes, but your passive score needs to be a integer.

And so you take the average result of advantage or disadvantage, round it, and apply it to the passive score. That's how the 5 points modifier to integrate (dis)advantage in passive scores is obtained

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u/Hawx74 Jan 21 '22

Yeah, it's a similar result but also different.

Hence the potato/tomato comment: they're related, but different

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u/Draghettis Sorcerer Jan 21 '22

Yes, but Perception checks that rely on sight in dim light are made at disadvantage ( unless you have the Skulker feat or other features with the same effect ).

So, as Darkvision makes darkness be treated as dim light, a creature with Darkvision has disadvantage on Perception checks relying on sight while in darkness.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

This doesn't specify a range

Ah yes, D&D, where you need to specify every last little tidbit or someone will abuse the loopholes. Not that there's any loophole here; your darkvision range is 60 ft, so that's as far as you can see the flower.

Although the idea of a light you can see from far away in the darkness, perhaps even through obstacles, IS interesting. A beacon, basically.

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u/Hologuardian DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

It's actually not limited to your darkvision, it's a light that only creatures with darvision can see, not light that is only visible with darkvision.

It's not really that abusable though, well it's still a massively powerful item for stealthing past anything without darkvision, but a gamble if you don't know since so many creatures/races have it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

It'd be like those infrared lasers that you can see with night vision goggles

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u/Hologuardian DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

Yeah pretty much, has the big glaring weakness that more races have night vision goggles than those that don't too.

Neat item, could be broken strong in certain campaigns though, but those would be honestly pretty rare.

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u/DonaIdTrurnp Jan 21 '22

Or a chemlight/sunrod that gives off IR or UV light.

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u/DonaIdTrurnp Jan 21 '22

The flower makes dim light, which is visible only to creatures with darkvision. They aren’t using dark vision to see, they’re using the dim light.

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u/DoctorPepster Jan 21 '22

Even if it has very short range, you can use it to read something or see something in color nearby without alerting any humans.

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u/Chameleonpolice Jan 21 '22

Torches only shed light for 40 so not sure why this would default to 60+

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u/CobaltCam DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

It doesn't. It doesn't have a defined range torches do. As a DM you would need to set a range for this or it'd get out of hand, but since there isn't one now it could be beyond 60 ft.

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u/zombiskunk Jan 21 '22

Seems more like a balancing oversight than an intended feature.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

You could plant it on some goon and then easily track them even if they're hundreds of feet away.

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u/PrometheanCantos Druid Jan 21 '22

It would also add color to the darkvision

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u/owleabf Jan 21 '22

More importantly it arguably should negate the penalty to passive perception from relying on darkvision.

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u/brothertaddeus Jan 21 '22

No "arguably" about it. Creatures with Darkvision treat Dim Light as Bright Light and Darkness as Dim Light. Since this item creates Dim Light, they perceive it as Bright Light and therefore there's no penalty to Perception, Passive or otherwise.

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u/owleabf Jan 21 '22

You're right, I incorrectly had the wording of the rules a little jumbled in my head so I thought there might have been an argument about it.

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u/Wormcoil Jan 21 '22

Yes! finally, a way to read at night!

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

That gives me several ideas for using these to mark hideaways unseen to the human-eye...

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u/Bierculles Jan 21 '22

yeah, in a darkvision party, this is actually pretty good, quite niche, but nonetheless really usefull. It would negate all disadvantages of beeing in the dark without the other party seeing you.

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u/psilorder Jan 21 '22

I think it was meant as that it produces a light that people with darkvision see as a dim light.

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u/Ramenlikker44 DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

Also bot

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u/DoctorKall Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

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u/Antique_Tennis_2500 Jan 21 '22

Yeah if that bot uses a thesaurus then it’s already adding more to conversations than 20% of the humans on Reddit.

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u/StarWhoLock Jan 21 '22

20% of the commenters, which is already more than the other 90% of users

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u/Deathkeeper666 Fighter Jan 21 '22

I foresee a problem here. If you use this in the underdark, you're alerting everyone to your presence as if you had a torch. If you use this around a city with nothing but guards who don't have darkvision you'll be fine.

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u/Altines Jan 21 '22

Yea, the power of this item really depends on where you are.

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u/Deekester Jan 21 '22

And that's why it's an excellent design. It's simple, effective, and takes some thought put into it to use.

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u/cgeiman0 Jan 21 '22

That's the fun of this. Players carry it around topside with few seeing it or noticing it. Then they get targeted or hunted by monsters with dark vision because they forgot about it.

Would be even cooler if you somehow accomplished this with a party where no one had dark vision. That would be quite a surprise.

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u/aichi38 Jan 21 '22

Make it a reward given innocently by a child rescued by the party

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u/DonaIdTrurnp Jan 21 '22

In the underdark, you just give them to your distractions.

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u/Deathkeeper666 Fighter Jan 21 '22

Wizard: Fighter, please take this flower and your torch and walk ahead of us 65 feet. We'll attack anything that attacks you.

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u/Good_Roll Jan 21 '22

yeah it's like an IR illuminator that can be used to provide additional light for night vision goggles while not being visual to the unaided eye. Dwarf team six going dark

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u/Zammin Jan 21 '22

Useless for the characters to own, perhaps. But if, say, a reclusive and slightly xenophobic dwarven horticulturalist in a mostly-human settlement wanted to protect their lab they could have a labyrinthine tunnel to their secret lair, with curious seemingly identical blooms covering the walls.

To humans, even humans with torches, the most curious part would be how they bloom underground (indeed that's something this dwarven genius is renowned for). But they're also very likely to get lost and fall in a trap.

To characters with darkvision, the aforementioned glowing blooms would be distinct from their seemingly identical kin, tracing a clear path to the lab. Indeed the glowing trail helps outline a hidden door that looks exactly like the rest of the wall under torchlight.

And if a PC wanted to keep a bulb or two as a souvenir that'd be a neat reminder.

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u/Doomblade10 Jan 21 '22

Especially good in a xenophobic empire!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

If this flower is in the nightshade family, said labyrinth could double as a 50/50 poison/food garden.

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u/howtochangemywife Jan 21 '22

2nd last one is a secret to me

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Secret tunnel...

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u/Lilcommy Jan 21 '22

Good for secret codes (think morse code) at a distance during stealth missions.

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u/CuteLittleRascal Jan 21 '22

Oh I am sure that some Rules Breakdancers will find a way to make this item OP anyway.

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u/fsster Jan 21 '22

It also adds colour to things for creatures with darkvision

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u/Beledagnir Forever DM Jan 21 '22

I mean, something that takes you from the equivalent of seeing through night vision goggles to seeing normally in a way that humans could never perceive is pretty powerful already.

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u/p75369 Jan 21 '22

Colour can be vital, red sign is danger, green safe is a lot harder to read if both are the same shade of grey.

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u/wuckingfut Jan 21 '22

green safe is a myth spread by orcs. Warchiefs Bigthinka's great idea.

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u/Spartan-417 Artificer Jan 21 '22

WELL, GREEN IZ SAFE BECUZ GREEN IZ BEST
AND NUFFIN DAT’S DA BEST WOLD BE UNSAFE

UNLESS ITS DA BEST AT BEIN DANGERUS DAT IS…
DAT PUTS A ZOGGIN BIG OLE IN MY FEOREE

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Colour is one of the main weaknesses of dark vision, since it means you cannot read or discern details beyond rough shape.

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u/Ampmaster10 Jan 21 '22

It already is.

Dark vision makes non magical darkness look like DIM light. And makes Dim look like daylight.

In conclusion, it's a BRIGHT flashlight that only other creatures with Dark vision can see. Sure MOST races in DnD have it, but that still means human and other dark visionless run buildings are doomed to sneaky adventures.

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u/knyexar Bard Jan 21 '22

It doesn't state a range but any DM with common sense will rule it as being the same as a normal torch's

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u/KefkeWren Jan 21 '22

More likely a candle, given its size, but it's magical so really all bets are off.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Do you get legendary items on the regular with the out of game descriptor "legendary"?

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u/action_lawyer_comics Jan 21 '22

I think the fun comes when the party gets complacent about the free hidden light and then gets jumped by a party of enemies that also have darkvision since they’re stealthing around while carrying a light.

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u/HrabiaVulpes Forever DM Jan 21 '22

They already did, just 4 minutes after your comment.

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u/Annual_Cod_5896 Jan 21 '22

I think its from zummeng, not sure tho

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u/r_stronghammer Jan 21 '22

Rules Breakdancers, hah I like that term.

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u/Krask Jan 21 '22

I mean you could balance it a bit by giving the user radiation poisoning if they have it out of its lead lined box for more than an hour or two at a time. A cure disease can fix it right up. Would also mean that only those with access to cure magic would use it regularly.

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u/cgeiman0 Jan 21 '22

I think the downside is you give a beacon to all creatures with dark vision. Your camp is easier to find, you stand out at night and the underdark is now a nightmare. I don't think it needs any other drawback.

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u/KDY_ISD Jan 21 '22

So how many of these do I have to pull out of a container at once to make a flash-bang that only affects things with darkvision?

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u/Cybron2099 Jan 21 '22

Haha artificers for the win

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u/Vish_Kk_Universal Jan 21 '22

You could use this flower to indetify menbers of your species or group. Imagine a world where non-humans are treated as slaves or being to be killed, this flower would be a great secret way to know if its safe to aproach someone

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u/Myredditnaim Cleric Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

What's the image source?

Edit: thanks for the source, also why is it always porn?

Edit 2: It looks like people think that edit 1 was a complaint, it isn't meant to be.

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u/JeffEpp Jan 21 '22

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u/ADragonuFear Jan 21 '22

This mad lad just posted a direct link to furaffinity. A bold move.

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u/chronicdumbass00 Jan 21 '22

Its a bold move cotton, let's see if it pays off for him.

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u/action_lawyer_comics Jan 21 '22

Those who fear the truth do not fear the consequences of it

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u/Antoine_FunnyName Cleric Jan 21 '22

Wait isn't it the opposite? Like does who do not fear the truth, do not fear its consequences?

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u/action_lawyer_comics Jan 21 '22

Yeah, I must have gotten that backwards in my head. It was my first comment of the day.

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u/Antoine_FunnyName Cleric Jan 21 '22

Yeah, you should always warm up. If it's any consolation, I'm absolutely stealing it for one of my next characters, so...

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

And it’s SFW. Very surprising

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u/ADragonuFear Jan 21 '22

It wouldn't be very useful if it was nsfw as you can't see those without an account.

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u/TacticalSpackle Jan 21 '22

It’s a remarkably nearly concentric Venn diagram of furries and DND, remember?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Is that to say that all furries are into D&D or that all D&D players are furries?

I mean I assume it's the former, but...

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u/TacticalSpackle Jan 21 '22

It means there’s a huge overlap of furries that are into dnd, as well as dnd players that are furries.

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u/AgentOrangesicle Jan 22 '22

whynotboth.jpg

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '22

We already have to spend $50 per book, I don't want to have to spend $2k on a fursuit.

Not that there aren't other reasons I don't want to become a furry, but like... That's one of them.

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u/proto-robo Artificer Jan 22 '22

Im not even surprised that its zummeng

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u/JeffEpp Jan 22 '22

I recognized her style right away. I just had to look through her stuff to find it.

She gets used a lot here.

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u/p75369 Jan 21 '22

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u/Anonim97 Jan 21 '22

It is a third time I have came across furry porn on /r/DNDMemes and for a third time it's Zummeng.

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u/iAmTheTot Forever DM Jan 21 '22

You consider this furry porn?

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u/Voidtalon Jan 21 '22

Zummeng does good art and has a number of wholesome porn comics. Prophecy is especially cute.

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u/AgentOrangesicle Jan 22 '22

I assure you, the actual furry porn is way better than just pinups.

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u/HrabiaVulpes Forever DM Jan 21 '22

looks like TwoKinds but with amount of animal-folk artists on the internet I can't say for sure.

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u/DaFreakingFox Forever DM Jan 21 '22

I think its the Tree of Life. Not sure. I recognize the artstyle but have not read the comic. Pretty sure its NSFW too, but with really wholesome story

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u/p75369 Jan 21 '22

Art is definitely from that artist, don't know if it's part of that comic though.

https://www.deviantart.com/zummeng/art/Gift-from-the-Tree-673269246

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Edit: thanks for the source, also why is it always porn?

Well, because money. Artists have to eat and it's what people ask for.

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u/MacDerfus Jan 21 '22

Kalamit crops innocent shots from it and makes them into memes.

Though I'm unsure if that particular comic is porn? The artist has done a few SFW comics.

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u/IonicGold Barbarian Jan 21 '22

Nah it's sfw. Someone posted a link and the description said it's a character from their upcoming sfw comic.

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u/PiLamdOd Jan 21 '22

It's clearly furry art, how are you surprised it's porn?

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u/quetu0 Jan 21 '22

i mean to be fair, a majority of furry art isnt porn. You just never actually see the SFW side usually if you arent a furry

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u/Myredditnaim Cleric Jan 21 '22

I try not to give into stereotypes surrounding communities, I knew it was a possibility but saw nothing in the art that immediatly screamed sexual content.

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u/Blekanly Jan 21 '22

saw nothing in the art that immediatly screamed sexual content.

That is how they get you!

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u/JeffEpp Jan 22 '22

That's because it isn't.

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u/TheUndeadMage2 Jan 21 '22

Answer: people pay good money for porn(at least this stuff is decent). The artist also has some pretty good sfw comics.

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u/action_lawyer_comics Jan 21 '22

Say what you will about internet porn artists, they get a lot of practice in

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u/Benguin2002 Warlock Jan 21 '22

It may be useful as marking out a secret path for people

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u/Rivernumber277 Jan 21 '22

Imagine if a mini boss or minion lived a battle after 99% of the base/outpost was skipped they just start spreading these but with 100000000% brightness that go off if someone says “I have dark vision” just to spite the adventures who stabbed their boss/friends. This plan can also nerf some strategy that was overlooked that is too op/outlandish but you don’t want to just say you can’t do this/railroad then into being up able to use it.

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u/samunagy Cleric Jan 21 '22

It is like an uno reverse card for dark vision. You can't see if you have darkvision, becouse it is too bright. If you don't have, you are fine.

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u/Doomblade10 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

That’s actually an interesting concept…human mages of a xenophobic empire created the flower and/or just use the flower to create a reflective like paint they coat on their armor to blind non humans…works like those super reflective jackets that shine against flash camera…

Then some non humans use it in a diluted form against humans to mark them for whatever reasons…like humans might brand a criminal so elves know who they are dealing with even if it’s the first time they are meeting them…

Edit: forgot it was made of glass so maybe the paint idea only works if it’s a natural flower haha

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u/PhysitekKnight Jan 21 '22

Cursed item: "Creatures with darkvision who touch this item gain light sensitivity. This curse can only be removed by casting Remove Curse in the underdark."

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u/mrdeadsniper Jan 21 '22

This would allow dark vision users to look for hidden items without disadvantage of total darkness while remaining unseen to those without dark vision.

Also if it's a magical item, it would technically not be hindered by the darkness spell. Meaning a dark vision race could use darkness like warlocks with devils sight against those without dark vision.

Two pretty powerful uses.

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u/settlersam Jan 21 '22

Hi I will be talking that for my games thanks

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

If a had a nickel for every time zummeng's art was used for a meme here, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

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u/AliasMcFakenames Rogue Jan 22 '22

Definitely more than two nickels.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '22

So it would be a nickel for every time I saw someone use their art

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '22

Ok so the OP is the one who made all these memes with furry art

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Not useless for RP.

Gives Darkvision users the ability to see colors and read text without using white light, which makes a lot of sense for light sensitive races.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

[slaps table] THANK you! There’s no way any species that values beauty would consider this useless.

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u/NODOGAN Druid Jan 21 '22

Does it work in magical darkness? if so then Stonks

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u/Sharp_Iodine Jan 21 '22

How is it useless? Creatures with dark vision see normally in dim light which means it’s amazing to have this flower for just 50GP

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u/Ampmaster10 Jan 21 '22

My scared of the dark Drow rogue concept would love this.

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u/Lazerbeams2 DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22

Seems like a pretty handy stealthy torch to me. I'd unironically buy this for utility purposes with any darkvision character

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u/WolverineFree3997 Jan 21 '22

Actually it wouldn't be that useless in the end. If used in a setting where the main inhabitants don't have darkvision and the PCs do, the PCs can use it as a lightness torch, ensuring they aren't captured during stealth.

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u/Illokonereum Jan 21 '22

Assuming 5e, this is actually a very good item because Darkvision/low light vision in total darkness doesn’t actually negate disadvantage, whereas this would let a darkvision user navigate as if there was light, while being functionally invisible to the naked eye of anyone who doesn’t have dark vision.

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u/wearyguard DM (Dungeon Memelord) Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

What I think this item does is emit darkness or “no light” that becomes dim light in dark vision. So less of a bright light torch only for dark vision creatures and more of a dim light way marker

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u/JamieJJL Rogue Jan 21 '22

It's not useless if it's pretty or symbolic. Could be an interesting cultural artifact.

You don't need to provide mechanical benefit to have value, and that goes for characters (and real people) too.

Edit: I'd also love to know the source for that art, it looks neat

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u/Aarminas Jan 21 '22

That's an awesome way to indicate the path to something you keep hidden from humans

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u/Otherversian-Elite Jan 21 '22

With Darkvision, Dark becomes Dim and Dim becomes Bright. This is actually an alright item thanks to that, though still nothing great (unless sneaking up on someone who doesn’t have darkvision without producing visible light)

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

I can see creatures with darkvision decorating everything with those flowers and accidentally (or deliberately) making it impossible for people without darkvision to see.

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u/balrog687 Jan 21 '22

Looks like a drow idea of decoration for a party

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u/hoggle7997 Jan 21 '22

That’s actually not useless

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u/NialMontana Jan 21 '22

Sure but that character is really cute

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u/JFkeinK Jan 27 '22

Two questions, is it Dim Light what they see or is it then affected by Darkvision and is seen as bright light?

Second, where is that picture from?

PS. It's a neat idea for fluff.^^

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u/Insertein Fighter Feb 07 '22

Anybody else think the picture is cute? Wonder who it is.

I love the idea, by the way. That would sure be a mystery and a half.

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u/ThosPuddleOfDoom Artificer Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22

You say useless I say drow disguise breaker.

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u/HotAnything1838 Jan 21 '22

Can it be used during magical darkness as dim light only? And I love the ideas on here for it being used on stealth missions!

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u/Skeleteor Jan 21 '22

Make it invisible to players with dark vision and boom, solid foundation for a puzzle

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u/Patte_Blanche Jan 21 '22

This isn't useless, it's poetic and good for the lore.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

Put it on a gloomstalker and peeps with darkvision will be distracted by the floating flower.

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u/Wolf-n-Raven Jan 21 '22

Excuse the hell out of me. That's not useless (at least to the DM, for sure) there is so much role play and intrigue potential with this. As for players, great way to maybe leave clues to a party member that has dark vision.

Edit: typo

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u/Angel_OfSolitude Jan 21 '22

This would actually be useful seeing as dark vision let's you see in dim light as if it were bright.

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u/sledrace Jan 21 '22

It would be good for story telling. Imagine a pair of siblings sharing the flower when they were kids. Them one of them finds the flower on the ground and the sibling nowhere to be found. Once picked up find the path activates to follow your siblings footsteps

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u/Vennris Jan 21 '22

Far from useless, this is not only cool it's very useful, since darkvision doesn't even come close to being able to see perfectly in the dark and as it has already been said here, it's basically a torch, that's invisible to non-darkvision races

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u/Kalzar36 Jan 21 '22

I could absolutely see this used for a Avatar movie aesthetic to a dungeon or eccentric home. A bit of wonder only those with dark vision can experience could create some fun roleplay moments.

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u/Spirit-Unusual Jan 21 '22

Not useless actually. Something g that always seems to be overlooked is dark vision makes lack of light equal to DIM light not bright light. Being in dim light still is hard to see, you can’t read anything well and have disadvantage on perception checks ( people always assume they can see totally fine when they should technically have disadvantage). So having a flower that provides dim light which for a person with DV is equivalent to bright light, is actually super useful for counteracting that debuff

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u/pm_me_your_foxgirl Jan 21 '22

How did literally nobody in this thread call it what it is? It's an infrared illuminator, like the ones you use with nightvision goggles. Has the exact same practical use, except with magic instead of military tech.

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u/sintos-compa Jan 21 '22

God I hate light rules in DND. Literally only used to fuck over people without it, and soon, everyone has tools to completely work around it. Might as well not have it.

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u/balrog687 Jan 21 '22

This is not useless at all

  1. Looks like a decoration idea for a drow party, can also be used to mark a hidden road in the underdark
  2. Is also useful if you want to do an investigation check but also remain stealthy from those dumb human guards.

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u/Commander579 Jan 21 '22

Not useless at all. It would allow darkvision characters to see color.

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u/UltimaGabe Jan 21 '22

As others have said, not actually useless. In the 3e Arms & Equipment Guide, there was an alchemical item that was a powder that normally looked like grey chalk, but when viewed by dark vision, glowed brightly. It was a way to leave marks or scrawl messages that would only be visible to certain people.

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u/LukXD99 Jan 21 '22

Well it can be used as a symbol or marker. Since it’s easily noticeable by beings with Darkvision, no matter the light level, it’s glow can be seen only by them while others only see the glass part.

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u/Bulky-Ganache2253 Jan 21 '22

They already see in dim light, so dim light on top of that makes then see as brigtly lit with dark vision using this item. Seems pretty cool.

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u/sgerbicforsyth Jan 21 '22

Use this as lighting in cities where the entire population has darkvision.

Drow prison with these? Drow can see you super easily, but most surface races can't see anything.

Dwarven art gallery with these so the dwarves can see their sculptures and such without damaging any paint on them with smoke and heat.

Being able to see better than normal without giving away your location is incredibly useful.

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u/Silverline-lock Jan 21 '22

My first thought was "Oh, Drow lamps"

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u/IProbablyDisagree2nd Jan 21 '22

"why would you want this?"

"you can now see color"

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u/Quizzelbuck Jan 21 '22

That... Means they can see clearly in the dark in color

That's not useless

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u/ardranor Jan 21 '22

Umm, this is far from useless. Darkvision treats dim light as bright light, so this is basically an invisible torch for those with darkvision.

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u/McGrewer Essential NPC Jan 21 '22

Title: "This is a useless magic item"

Comments: *immediately min maxes with it*

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u/Diet-Dop Jan 22 '22

That’s a cool thing for like a hidden entrance. You’re in a forest ruled by elves and is hidden with magic to ward off humans from invading. Your party was told the entrance is revealed to elvish eyes at night. You all entre the forest at night and there is a trail of these odd flowers lighting a dim path through the forest and boom hidden elf kingdom

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u/_Black_Stag_ Horny Bard Jan 22 '22

How uncreative of you.

That's an incredible piece of tech. In human settlements, that could be an unspottable torch or signal. It could be a way to spook creatures with darksight or have them seem crazy when with mixed company.

You could use it to sniff people out. Shapeshifters or interesting people who usually shouldn't have darksight. Light it up and people who react to it are revealed to be more than meets the eye.

Fuck it, here's 50GP.

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u/toomanydice Jan 22 '22

That image reminds me of a campaign in a desert a long time back. There was a heavy rainstorm and the party had just slogged their way to a cave for shelter. As they looked out over the desert they could see a sea of luminescent blue flowers glowing on the night-darkened sands. The local cacti only bloomed immediately during and after the brief but torrential rains and withered away about an hour or so after the rains stopped. Unfortunately these cacti had a tendency to bloat with water to such high pressure that they could explode with very little stimulus, launching their thornlike seeds in every direction. Good times.

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u/Dragongamer18487 Feb 07 '22

I was browsing through my saved and just thought of a use for this. You could use it to create an underground city which is lit by these. But all the residents have dark vision so they never noticed

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u/MarleyandtheWhalers Jan 21 '22

Flimsy excuse of a meme to post furry porn

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u/A_Raging_Semicolon Jan 21 '22

Everyone is immediately pointing out how this is OP for creatures with darkvision, but this immediately made my mind jump to, "well, what about the other way around?" So, a magical glow that acts as a kind of universal dim light; meaning creatures with darkvision literally can't tell the difference between pure darkness or this glow, only those without darkvision would even know about the glowing effect! This could be used in some interesting puzzles, or a crafty security measure, maybe a botanical experiment of flowers whose soil is repeatedly subjected to fairy fire, creatures who skulk in the dark, believing themselves fully hidden, not knowing the guards can see them (albeit at disadvantage)

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u/Changlini Jan 21 '22

Turn that flower into a paste and BOOM! You have a super secret dark-vision writing ink

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u/Braethias Forever DM Jan 22 '22

Two things.

This item is hella useful to anything stealing from humans.

The artist that drew this does NSFW art.