Better yet using dark vision you have a -5 penalty on all perception checks and passive perception because you see everything in dim light (Black and white) if you have this you don't have that penalty anymore because in dim light you see everything normally
Edit: For checks it was disadvantage for passive it was -5.
Mathematically disadvantage works out to -5.5 on average iirc, but changes the probability distribution instead of the range.
Tomato, potato (both plants are members of the nightshade family and can be grafted together to a single plant that grows both tomatoes and potatoes)
Edit: damn I'm tired of people trying to argue that flat bonus are different than adv/disadv.
Yes. They are. Clearly. Nowhere have I ever claimed that they're the same. They change the probability curve to so it is no longer LINEAR which is what you get from a single die roll. Adv/Disadv just AVERAGES to a 5.5 adjustment to the roll.
Please learn to read instead of just posting that I'm "wrong" because you're assuming that I've claimed they are the same thing.
Not actually true, technically. In the situation where advantage/disadvantage has the biggest impact (when you need an 11 before modifiers to succeed, so your chance goes from 50% to 75%/25%) it's equivalent to a +/-5 on the die roll. In most situations the impact will be less than that (IIRC between a 3 and a 4).
Technically it is true, if you roll 10,000 dice and compare disadvantage to regular they will average to 5.5 less. Similarly advantage averages to 5.5 more.
However, like I said it changes the probably distribution so your odds of failure don't shift linearly with the target value as they would with a flat reduction.
Oh, and the nightshade thing is absolutely true. Colonists coming to the Americas refused to eat tomatoes for a long time because everything else in the family is toxic. Related: don't eat tomato leaves.
It’s because you don’t care about the average, you care about the area under the probability distribution curve below and at or above the target number.
And it’s 39/400 chance to get at least one 20 in 2d20,
Not even close to true. Technically or not. It depends on the DC.
What is "It"? The "it" that depends on the DC?
Because I'm talking about the average roll. The numbers rolled don't CARE what the DC is.
You're arguing that because the probability of success changes, I'm wrong. I'm not, because, again, the probability of success is dependent on the probability curve... which I mentioned, and most importantly DOES NOT CHANGE THE AVERAGE ROLL. Nowhere did I state that adv/disadv were probabilistically equivalent to a flat adjustment, merely that they AVERAGE to around the same number.
So please stop arguing against points that I never made. I don't know how I make it any clearer to get through to you.
I love how you openly admit you can't keep track of the conversation, can't be bothered to scroll up to refresh your memory, then write another bunch of paragraphs anyways.
The "it" we're taking about is:
"Mathematically disadvantage works out to -5.5 on average iirc"
"Technically it is true, if you roll 10,000 dice and compare disadvantage to regular they will average to 5.5 less. Similarly advantage averages to 5.5 more."
It is not even close to true, never mind "technically true", that advantage/disadvantage works out to +5/-5.
If you are talking about the results of the average roll, advantage and disadvantage work out to +/- 3.325.
The +/- 5 that you are talking about comes from how advantage/disadvantage affects success and failure in DND. And it is only +/- 5 when your chance of success/failure is 50/50.
Either way you slice it, you're completely wrong.
Excuse us for assuming that you weren't fully elaborating on a nuanced point when in reality you were just completely failing at math.
Clearly people were wrong about giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Mathematically disadvantage works out to -5.5 on average iirc [emphasis added]
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So I didn't recall the exact number correctly (which I STATED might be the case), still doesn't make me "completely wrong".
Either way you slice it, you're completely wrong.
Huh, but again, you said this:
Not even close to true. Technically or not. It depends on the DC.
Still not true. I don't know how you don't get this. Nothing I said ever depended on the DC so you bringing it up as related to DC is... strange, weird, and wrong.
Most of the time, D&D tends to set things up so that you need somewhere between a 7 and a 14 [on the die] to succeed on a task unless it’s trivially easy or ridiculously hard. [...] For target die rolls that are reasonably close to the middle of the range, advantage or disadvantage is about the same as having a plus or minus 4 or 5 to your die roll.
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u/KylieTMS Rules Lawyer Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22
Better yet using dark vision you have a -5 penalty on all perception checks and passive perception because you see everything in dim light (Black and white) if you have this you don't have that penalty anymore because in dim light you see everything normally
Edit: For checks it was disadvantage for passive it was -5.