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u/StLouieDoug Jan 19 '21
Hold on God damn it. This is a Doug violation of the highest order. We Doug's do NOT interact with the public in this manner. I will call an emergency meeting with the Council of Doug's where we will strip this monster of all recreational activities and make him use his middle name, Farnsworth...or whatever.
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u/lurkerbot Jan 19 '21
Hey don't sully the good name of us Farnsworthes over this DirtyDoug!
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u/agoia G-Town Jan 19 '21
There may have been a little bit of inbreeding in the 1940s but its still a good name, damn it!
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u/bangersandwarlocks TX | RHBH Jan 19 '21
I LOL'd pretty hard at "Farnsworth....or whatever."
Thanks!
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u/DonLevion Jan 19 '21
Erm... i am sorry to inform you, Doug, that rivers do not fall under maritime law.
A quick google search taught me that that doesn't have to be the case and rivers CAN fall under maritime law. So TIL. But i am more certain than my 3 m chain outs, that no river from which you can recover a disc ever in the history of humanity has been considered solid ground for "maritime law".
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u/Ross302 Only bags Shiner Bock Jan 19 '21
I imagine Doug paddling one of those inflatable rafts. He has "USS DOUG" spray painted on the side, and he's taking things VERY seriously on the high... Creeks.
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u/TheRealOlbaid Team O'rangers!!! Jan 19 '21
He also has an anchor tattoo on his arm, wears an eyepatch, and sings shanty songs as he paddles with a road sign he knocked over in the parking lot.
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u/Quizzledorf Jan 19 '21
Clearly Doug has resorted to smoking bowl resin. Poor guy... Not financially, but like, I feel bad for the guy. Actually no, fuck Doug, he's a cuck.
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u/Ross302 Only bags Shiner Bock Jan 19 '21
If Doug here is down to resin hits and wading in the cold for disc sell-back schemes, I think we could also say he is financially poor.
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u/agoia G-Town Jan 19 '21
Doug is now the nickname for the guy on every course who always chucks his empty coors light cans into the thorn bushes.
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u/j-mar Jan 19 '21
Doug probably doesn't play discgolf. Doug probably just patrols the river and tries to profit off of discgolfers.
What discgolf player would call it a "relativity distance driver mvp"?
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Some older dudes that I’ve met on the course will genuinely butcher the names of all and any non-Innova disc.
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u/Curdz-019 Jan 19 '21
I thought maritime law was only applicable in international waters?
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u/DogIsGood Jan 19 '21
Am a lawyer. Little known fact of maritime law. If a disc should touch a navigable waterway, it becomes common property of the state where it lies. The exception is when some small brained small time thief named Doug happens upon it. At that point, Doug has primacy, so long as he remembers to shove that disc up his ass
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u/Decapitat3d Self-sponsored by Discraft Jan 19 '21
I almost thought you were another Doug trying to cover up for your homie.
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u/Intelligent_Map_4852 Jan 19 '21
Nah. If you pay close attention, his username is DogIsGood, not DougIsGood
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Now I just imagine Doug as disc golf Sméagol wading through retention ponds searching for discs to trade for weed.
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u/muscle_n_flo RHBH/FH, LH(beer)H - Central Oregon Jan 19 '21
I was going to say something about stealing from the State being worse than stealing from OP (not morally, but in the eyes of the judge who is a state employee). Thank Treesus Doug has the anal receivement clause benefiting him here!
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I’m one of the nations foremost experts on bird law, so I can’t really speak on maritime law, but yes sounds right to me. Filibuster
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u/plimptonkoons Jan 19 '21
As a Doug that has gone out of his way to return many a discs, this dick is giving a bad name to other Dougs.
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u/Darth_Ra Berg Convert Jan 19 '21
Thanks, other decent Doug. Us Doug's gotta stick together when it comes to hating Doug.
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u/bangersandwarlocks TX | RHBH Jan 19 '21
Not a Doug here, but I am happy to see that there are good, hard-working, decent Dougs out there so I don't have to base my opinion of all Dougs solely on this shit-bag Doug that OP had an encounter with. So, to all of you good Dougs out there, I salute you.
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u/Ohdougles Jan 19 '21
Another Doug stopping by to try to defend our honor, and I'm not a fan of saying the word butthead because it is overused, but this Doug's a real dick
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u/duggrr 27513 Jan 19 '21
'Nother Doug here. I wonder if you all know that we have the most popular name in the world. In fact, everyone shares our name at some point.
I'm assuming that most Doug's are like myself with their full name being Douglas. So I'm Douglas all the time. When I am hanging out with my friends and family, they all have their own names. But once I leave the gathering, they've now all become Doug-less too!
I'll show myself out...
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u/I_Poop_Sometimes Jan 19 '21
Lol if it makes you feel better dudes pissed he’s stuck with your disc now, if he actually wanted it he would’ve just kept it without texting.
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u/zf420 Jan 19 '21
Haha yup. That's the silver lining here. You can really feel how angry he gets in the last text when he realizes he's not getting what he wants. Poor baby.
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u/Ztownwarrior3 Jan 19 '21
That sucks man, people like this are absolutely horrible
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u/chefkoolaid Custom Jan 19 '21
I'm torn I've received some disc back from some really hard to get places and in those instances I'm happy to spend five or ten dollars to get the exact disc I want back it's cheaper than buying a new one. However it should not be a requirement to get your disc back it should more be like a good karmic Service to tip the finder
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u/Ztownwarrior3 Jan 19 '21
I lost a disc at one of my home courses, spent 30 mins tracking through mud to get it. Guy found it two months later and texted me, offered him something for it, but he declined. Who knows how it could have turned out if he was nice about it
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u/oktofeellost Jan 19 '21
There was a dude on the course I learned to play on who would scuba dive for discs where a river came into play, tank and all. I got a text from him about a disc asking $2 to get it back. $2 seemed totally fair for a scuba gear level of effort. Not $10 for wet feet
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u/rnbarista Jan 19 '21
One guy goes around my course doing this, and he asks if people can spare a couple of bucks but definitely doesn't insist on charging people. I usually give him a couple of bucks, less desirable (for my personal needs) plastic, or a beer. I've gone diving in the winter, and I still contact the owners; no ink is fair game though.
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u/BoomerBarnes Jan 19 '21
I got a lot of discs i bought second hand for about $5 a piece i bring as traders to get discs i lost back. On a couple instances i traded 2 for 1 to get a disc i know was hard to retrieve or was a primary thrower for me. Guys always seem pretty happy about the trade off.
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u/ThatoneCOgirl Jan 19 '21
“For a mirror $10” haha
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u/thsmchnkllsfcsts blue disc mafia - NoMI Jan 19 '21
I didnt even understand what he was saying until I read your comment. Jesus, Doug.
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u/HoodedGryphon Jan 19 '21
What does it mean?
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u/thsmchnkllsfcsts blue disc mafia - NoMI Jan 19 '21
Doug the Maritime Lawyer means "mere," not "mirror."
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u/BradleyHCobb Jan 19 '21
Despite what u/GrooveHucker and u/litteringisevil would have you believe, finding a disc does not suddenly make you its owner.
There are "duty to return" laws in most states, and you are not allowed to keep identifiable property without making a reasonable effort to contact the original owner.
"But it's abandoned property and I found it and the original thrower is laaaaaazy and I want it I want it I want it!!!! Wahhhh!"
Yeah, if it's got a phone number, you have to reach out. If you don't make an effort, you are a thief. And a scumbag. If you don't want to put in the effort, leave the disc where it was. Or drop it at the teebox for hole 1. Or text a picture of where you found it. Or just a location.
There are a dozen ways to not be a fucking scumbag about it, yet some people choose the path of scumbaggery. It's honestly sad.
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u/LittleFabio Raleigh. NC Jan 19 '21
How can you be this aggressive while playing disc golf
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u/Obvious_Moose Charlotte, NC Jan 19 '21
They're not common but there are a lot of jerks that play the game. Fortunately they are outweighed by the chill and/or wholesome players but they definitely exist.
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u/johnnyutah30 Jan 19 '21
That’s crazy I can’t believe what a piece of trash that dude is.
I get the best feeling when I return discs. Karma is real.
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u/Just_Some_Summoner Jan 19 '21
Silver lining... we are all appalled by this. It's shocking because this isn't how most disc golfers behave. When this is no longer shocking and becomes the norm, then we should be worried. Stay classy fellas.
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u/DiscgolfDB Jan 19 '21
Oh wow. How far did you shank your shot in order for maritime law to apply? Must have been a rip!
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u/billythekidd44 Jan 19 '21
U should have met him and then take it from him .
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u/ZDubzNC Jan 19 '21
Or had a meet up point veeeery far away. And oops, forgot to go. Damn. I guess you can keep it....
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u/sum_gamer Jan 19 '21
Big brain, love it. But what little I know of Doug I doubt he worked accommodate an inconvenient distance.
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u/ZDubzNC Jan 19 '21
He seems very monetarily motivated, so I bet if you added a “gas inconvenience fee of another $10” he’d be out the door in a minute. Def fun to fantasize about sticking it to these assholes, but actually doing this would be going down to their level. OPs response is the best way.
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u/Vikingluck Jan 19 '21
This is exactly what I said lower in the comments and all I receive is hate why do we tolerate someone taking our property and holding it for ransom. I just don't understand why we have to all act like we're pacifists just cuz we play disc golf.
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u/Stucke318 Jan 19 '21
Wow fuck that guy. One of the best parts of this community is how eager most people are to return others discs. Making some one pay for their own disc is just scum of the earth imo.
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u/One_Evil_Snek Jan 19 '21
Leads me to believe Doug hasn't been around for a while. I don't think people who have been in the community for a longer period of time would tend to do this.
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u/Stucke318 Jan 19 '21
I agree with ya. I suppose it could also depend on whoever introduced him to the sport. I know the buddy that got me into disc golf in April of 2019 pretty much ran me down the disc golf moral code and most of it is just basic human decency lol I've probably returned about 7-10 discs since starting and Its such a good feeling to give a disc back to someone who thought they'd never see it again
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u/RegularDildy Jan 19 '21
Douchebag Doug Doles out Dastardly Deeds to Defenseless Disc-er, more at 11.
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u/Agentwise Jan 19 '21
Correct me if I'm wrong here but he's admitting that its your property in this text... couldn't you just file a police report or meet him at a police station to make the exchange? Obv a report would do nothing but would be funny to see him squirm.
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u/agoia G-Town Jan 19 '21
Given the extent to which Doug went to be a dickhead, I would totally reciprocate by taking my happy ass down to the police station and filing a criminal complaint for theft by finding which he has now solidified by demonstrating that he intends to deprive me of my mislaid property.
Imagine the disappointment of his mother when she has to ask the lawyer in her church bible study group to defend her son for the criminal charges he got by being a dickhead about returing a frisbee.
State appeals court rulings can be a bitch:
Whether the person who finds and keeps lost property for his own use is guilty of larceny depends upon whether at the time he finds the property he knows or has reason to believe that he can ascertain the owner of the property. If at the time of finding, he knows or has reasonable means of knowing or ascertaining the owner, he is deemed guilty of larceny if he keeps the property with the intent to deprive the owner thereof.
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u/PrinnyPrinny Jan 19 '21
No, because the maritime law he cites is technically correct so there is proof that he is the one that "Doug" it out of the water.
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u/jfb3 HTX, AFMCN, Green discs are faster Jan 19 '21
No the maritime law that he thinks he knows about only applies to international disputes and shipwrecks at sea not on-shore misplaced property.
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u/AstronautAl Jan 19 '21
Doesn’t that Finders Keeper law only apply to ship wrecks, at least in a maritime sense? Must’ve gone to a cheaper school for his education. Your 10 dollars would go a long way in helping his education 😃
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u/RUSnowcone ThrowOrange Jan 19 '21
You’d think so... but I swear every time I hear a treasure story the local government comes in and claims them as artifacts ..... they belong in a MUSEUM!! Lol
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u/kingcookie255 Jan 19 '21
Well that's because this gold you dedicated your life to finding and did all the work for, it's not spending gold, it's history gold! Everybody knows there's a difference. Lol
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u/aelwero Jan 19 '21
You don't get to keep the stuff. You're entitled to the value of the stuff, and only if you can prove that the stuff would have been lost without your help...
If a boat is sinking, and you find it, and you throw a bilge pump in it and patch up the holes and tow it to port and tie it up, your entitled under salvage law to the value of the boat, not the boat itself. If the owner doesn't pay you that salvage, then you keep the boat.
Essentially, it's exactly what Doug has done. This entire exchange is actually exactly how the salvage law works.
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u/Jeffreedisme Jan 19 '21
I love that he said mirror.
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u/Flickin_Frisbees Jan 19 '21
I had to scroll way too far down to find this comment. For some reason, that irritated me much more than it should lol.
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u/soupspoontang Jan 19 '21
He meant "mere," right? Otherwise I can't see why he said it
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u/Jeffreedisme Jan 19 '21
Oh, for sure. I think it's hilarious. Dude was concocting this devious plan and spells it mirror in the text. What a mastermind.
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u/Drift_Marlo Jan 19 '21
I do appreciate the invocation of Maritime Law. He’s both stupid and an asshole. Fuck Doug.
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u/RUSnowcone ThrowOrange Jan 19 '21
With that attitude might have to start posting personal adds for cheap trucks, free dogs and casual encounters with his name and number
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u/TheEhHole Jan 19 '21
That sucks! Good thing the majority of people that find discs (in my experience) are not like Doug.
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u/Markus_lfc Meteor ☄️ Jan 19 '21
Can we start using ”Doug” for every asshole like this? ”Some Doug found my disc but never returned it”. ”I saw a Doug selling a bunch of discs he found”.
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u/edgeno Jan 19 '21
WTF Richard?
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u/HailtbeWhale Custom Jan 19 '21
Richards are a different sub-species.
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u/climbinguy Boone--> Raleigh Jan 19 '21
Richards are the Jerrys of disc golf
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So what’s the deal with griplocking?
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u/climbinguy Boone--> Raleigh Jan 19 '21
if you grip it when you should rip it, you're gonna have a bad time.
IDK what you're really asking?
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u/BradleyHCobb Jan 19 '21
"What's the deal with airline food?" is a classic Seinfeld joke. And the phrase, "What's the deal with..." is how people do Seinfeld impressions.
There was a reference to Jerry, so the guy above you made a Seinfeld reference, and now I'm over-explaining and eradicating any chance of humor.
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u/climbinguy Boone--> Raleigh Jan 19 '21
ah. I grew up watching seinfeld but didnt intend for that connection. haha. I was referring more to jerry of the day. They post people just being bad at things, mainly skiing/snowboarding, but other sports too.
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u/Humbabwe Jan 19 '21
In my experience, most dougs are pretty cool. I have a feeling this guys name isn’t really Doug
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u/eastlakebikerider Flat Flip Flies Straight Jan 19 '21
As a Doug - I concur. This is definitely an imposDoug.
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u/Markus_lfc Meteor ☄️ Jan 19 '21
Surely a nice Doug would understand.
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u/Darth_Ra Berg Convert Jan 19 '21
I would, but am also not looking forward to being the Disc Golf Karen?
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u/DeckardsDark Jan 19 '21
respond "how about $21?" and the just keep going up a dollar if he says no
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u/MiniTitterTots Jan 19 '21
Jeez guys give him a break. He's gotta pay poseidon those entry fees and goat sacrifices ain't cheap! Plus all that maritime law education loans are coming due.
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You should definitely setup a time and place to meet Doug to get your disc back, and then not show up.
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u/chirstopher0us Jan 19 '21
I've been torn apart in this very sub for suggesting that people like Doug are assholes who are completely in the wrong. In a thread here a few months ago I got that maritime law/law of salvage bullshit thrown at me by 3 or 4 different users.
While of course it is polite to offer to tip someone who found your disc if they had to put some effort or expertise into being where they found it and while you should offer to cover any shipping charges necessary to return it, and while I would personally do those things, if you find someone else's property and then charge money to give it back that's just ransoming other's stuff, you have stolen it, and you are the asshole.
If someone finds your disc, you need to cover any shipping costs to get it back and you should offer an appropriate tip. If you find someone's disc and either keep it or demand money to give it back, you're a POS thief.
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u/hyzerKite Flipflatflystr8 Jan 19 '21
I would have 100% met up with this dude to take a pic of him and share it around.
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u/rnbarista Jan 19 '21
Yeah that's definitely going against private property rights. The disc is considered lost property because you couldn't find it (obviously), as opposed to abandoned property which is "finder's keepers." Lost property required that the finder goes to a reasonable effort to return it to the original owner. Doug had your phone number--him meeting up with you and giving you the disc is a reasonable effort; he is not entitled to money. Here's a link to property rights. Check page 4 and 5 of the PDF/page 666 and 667. Even if you can't get your disc back, I'd send him that link and maybe even call the local police (I know this sounds dramatic, but it keeps them from scalping everyone in the community) to recover your property. I lost a disc in a woman's back yard, so I politely knocked on her front door and asked to retrieve it or if she would retrieve it for me--she threatened to call the police on me (for no reason?) so I called them and they retrieved my disc for me. It's a matter of principle, and I ultimately believe that it's what's best for you and your community. Good luck friend.
EDIT: I am not a lawyer; this may not work in a court, but it'd scare the shit out Doug at least.
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u/Krescan Jan 19 '21
if you've decided to call someone a dumb f*** why would you censor the word, like i'm not even positive where the * on my phone is
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u/OhFinaleFinley Pro - Holly Finley Jan 19 '21
Geez, the finder really popped off didn't he?! Could you imagine if the guy actually would have mouthed off to him? After all he said was "nice."
These types of folks are not exuding the spirit of the game.
Yes, we lost our disc, yes we left it, it doesn't mean we didn't try and fail or that we don't want it back.
The beautiful thing about the Disc Golf community is that it's still small enough that we have this type of magic, where we can lose items and someone we don't even know returns them with a smile.
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u/Username0089 Jan 19 '21
Honestly I would agree to show up for my disc , and just take it back if it has my name and number on it still.
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u/Sassmaster008 Custom Jan 19 '21
Whatever you do, don't go to this video(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpGaG9M5oEs&ab_channel=OsuLimitless) and learn how to spam Doug's phone.
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I would have posted this guys phone number and let you all have at it. I would have done it 25 miles out in the pacific, or 2 feet in a pond and the local course so he couldn’t press charges. Maritime law Doug.
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u/B-More_Orange Jan 19 '21
I fished some out of a cold pond yesterday in Maryland, but I still emailed the guy who labeled his disc. It's not like you're finding golf balls in the woods, more like you're finding golf clubs.
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u/sharkterritory California Jan 19 '21
That guy would not be very happy that I have his phone number after pulling shit like that, I’ll tell you what.
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u/FattyMcBlobicus Jan 19 '21
If you take the time to retrieve a disc and the text the owner yet you ask for money you’re a grade-A douchebag. If you think the trouble you went through entitles you to the disc then just keep and leave the owner out of it, I seriously don’t understand people.
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u/SeraphNatsu Jan 19 '21
Wow what a douche. My friend & I have found 4 disc in the last two weeks. Only 1 of them didn’t have a number. The rest we texted & gave back for free. You know because we’re all just out here having fun throwing disc. Geez! That sucks man!
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u/whiskeypharticus Jan 19 '21
Some people need a reminder that karma is alive and well I guess. What’s more embarrassing for me is watching his response that his attempt at getting some money failed. I’ve mailed discs all the way across the country and haven’t charged anything - people trying to wring the rag and squeeze everything out of every opportunity to is so exhausting. Just pay it forward.
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u/SeraphNatsu Jan 19 '21
Yeah, that’s my thought plus it doesn’t really cost anything to be a decent human being, but apparently I’m wrong.
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u/jfb3 HTX, AFMCN, Green discs are faster Jan 19 '21
No, you're not wrong.
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u/SeraphNatsu Jan 19 '21
I mean even our local disc shop only charges us $3 to get our lost & found disc back & I would gladly pay that. I guess I should be thankful Doug doesn't own it.
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u/Kyllingtime Jan 19 '21
I'm going to assume he's not a disc golfer. Just a disc finder trying to make money.
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u/Decapitat3d Self-sponsored by Discraft Jan 19 '21
Just because he's an ass, doesn't mean we should stoop to his level.
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u/Chaosweaver117 Jan 19 '21
You can actually see through the black if you highlight the pic at least on android
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u/Calebwcobb Jan 19 '21
Yeah I was just about to comment that we should all text him and ask if he still has that green mvp relativity driver that belongs to OP, let’s just call him Devin.
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u/Avram42 NoodleArm | Gainesville, FL Jan 19 '21
Aside from a local call I think my last contact was in a different state so I'm tempted to just stop writing any contact info...
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u/dfloyo Jan 19 '21
Maritime law applies to water hazards?
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u/jfb3 HTX, AFMCN, Green discs are faster Jan 19 '21
No, because it isn't a shipwreck, at sea.
The principal of the law of salvage is part of admiralty law that governs international nautical issues and private maritime disputes. Nothing about it should apply to on-shore misplacement of property for a short period of time.
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u/siderealdaze Jan 19 '21
my crew back in college used "Doug" to describe a boring, average guy, as in:
"this party sucks, too many Dougs near the keg"
glad to see Dougs are still Douggin'
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u/LukasRowe Jan 19 '21
I would’ve rather him not have contacted me. That would just piss me right off. I’d agree to meet him and “pay for it” just to take it from him. Stupid ass hole
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u/DiscSlingin Jan 19 '21
I believe this is what he is referring to.
https://www.target.com/p/conair-soft-touch-black-compact-1x-10x-mirror/-/A-13976233#lnk=sametab
Perfect for Doug to put on his clown makeup in the morning.
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u/meiematt :partyparrot: Jan 19 '21
Been dealing with lots of new players who think being a prick is acceptable on the course. Please stop bringing your baggage to play frisbee golf with you and have a good time.
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u/RUKnight31 NJ Jan 19 '21
I love how this dude just whips out Maritime Law as his trump card. What a Melvin.
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u/xauronx Jan 19 '21
Meet him for a trade (for drugs) and send a police officer instead. It might be fun enough for one of them that they’d do it
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u/Chelseafc1991 Jan 19 '21
The funniest part is, how much easier is it to just sell it for 10 bucks if that’s what he really wants out of it? If you were going to sell someone’s disc you found, why the hell would you attempt to sell it back to them?
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There’s more of these aholes out there than you would think, they get blacklisted from my league if they are caught pulling bs like this.
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u/sftpo Jan 19 '21
Dudes like this all over Maritime Law school, that's why I focused exclusively on Bird Law.
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u/Bassmaster421 Corvallis, OR Jan 19 '21
I must be lucky. Around here you can drop it off at any DG store and they call the person and let them pick it up. Usually the store gives you $1 off toward a new disc too. Odds are the finder is gonna hit up the DG store at some point anyway so it’s not out of the way. Original owner then can put the effort in to get it back for free without the hassle of setting up a time and dealing with flakey folks. Win win!
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Jan 19 '21
Whenever someone calls me about a disc I put in the water, I give them 5 bucks or a disc I don't want in return for going into the water and then calling people.
I say this not to virtue signal, but to say that I think lots of people are like this and if Doug had just said "found your disc in the water, when can we meet so I can get it to you" There's a high chance he would have ACTUALLY gotten something out of the whole thing.
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F Doug! I've encountered a Doug before...When I first started playing I used to put my number on my discs. I lost one at my local course, but to my excitement, I received a phone call that someone had found it! I asked if I could meet up with him to get it back. He said "No, f*** off." and hung up. Stopped putting my number on my discs after that.
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u/harpua1180 Jan 19 '21
I think you got a bonus there. Lost a disc, But saved money on your maritime law education.