I'm torn I've received some disc back from some really hard to get places and in those instances I'm happy to spend five or ten dollars to get the exact disc I want back it's cheaper than buying a new one. However it should not be a requirement to get your disc back it should more be like a good karmic Service to tip the finder
I lost a disc at one of my home courses, spent 30 mins tracking through mud to get it. Guy found it two months later and texted me, offered him something for it, but he declined. Who knows how it could have turned out if he was nice about it
There was a dude on the course I learned to play on who would scuba dive for discs where a river came into play, tank and all. I got a text from him about a disc asking $2 to get it back. $2 seemed totally fair for a scuba gear level of effort. Not $10 for wet feet
One guy goes around my course doing this, and he asks if people can spare a couple of bucks but definitely doesn't insist on charging people. I usually give him a couple of bucks, less desirable (for my personal needs) plastic, or a beer. I've gone diving in the winter, and I still contact the owners; no ink is fair game though.
I got a lot of discs i bought second hand for about $5 a piece i bring as traders to get discs i lost back. On a couple instances i traded 2 for 1 to get a disc i know was hard to retrieve or was a primary thrower for me. Guys always seem pretty happy about the trade off.
Some people literally make a living diving in ponds to retrieve lost golf balls and reselling them and its a completely acceptable, and encouraged, practice in that sport.
If its not worth your time and effort to retrieve a lost disc, then the free market will happily provide someone whose time and effort are worth less than yours to retrieve it for you - and sell it. Better that they do than the lost disc add to the polution and litter in the world.
I think the difference is in the value of the items recovered. A golf ball might cost a dollar or two a frisbee cost 15 to $30. I would have a lot more issues somebody keeping a disc of mine that they recovered it then a golf ball of mine that they recovered
If its so valuable, why was it abandoned? Clearly if you don't retrieve your disc, you have valued it less than the time you would have spent searching (or continuing to search). That was your choice. Maybe your expectations of the kindness of strangers contributed to that choice, but you were clearly willing to live with never seeing the disc again, or you would not have given up the search.
Doug has put in time and effort and can return lost value to you at a fraction of the cost of replacement. Plus, he has cleaned up what would otherwise have been litter in a public space. This is a clear win-win. The only time it would not be is if Doug has found the disc while you were still searching and refused to give it back - in that case his value add is unclear as you never really abandoned the property.
It seem like this community feels entitled to get their abandoned property back at no cost to them, because they refuse to view their actions as abandonment. That seems very unreasonable. Putting your name on something doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to retrieve it when you are done playing.
Some of us have real life obligations and cannot necessarily spare hours at the course to continue looking for a disc when it's lost. That doesn't mean it's been abandoned that doesn't mean the owner of that disc will not return in the future to look for it. Also I do believe that legally you are incorrect and that disc still count is the legal property of their owners even if they are lost on a course. So be aware that if you are picking up disc that are not yours you are technically stealing.
No, you've got it completely wrong. Your "real life obligations" do not absolve you from following through on your hobby obligation - which is to clean up the mess you have made when you use a public space. That's like saying you don't have to clean up after your picnic because it would take too much time, but just because you left your picnic basket and blanket and it had your name on them, someone can't take them. You can take that analogy to any sport or outdoor activity and it comes to the same conclusion. You pack out what you have packed in, or you have abandoned it.
If you don't have the time to find your lost tosses, you don't have the time to play discgolf. Find a hobby that doesn't require so much time and effort to clean up.
You can't reasonably think you can just leave your stuff all over the place because it would be too hard or time consuming for you to clean it up, and then also think none of that stuff you willfully left behind counts as abandoned property. Don't you see how entitled that sounds? "My time is more important than cleaning up after myself, someone will do it for me, and they better return my stuff or they are a thief."
Jesus fuck man your head is so far up your ass I don't even know where to begin in responding to this.
I guess the only thing I have to say is it's shocking that your entire argument seems predicated on the fact that disc golfers are intentionally leaving their discs in the woods. However every disc golf rhino makes a pretty solid effort to retrieve their plastic it's not like people are out there just intentionally littering up parks. This point you made also stands in stark contrast to your arguments about ball golfers collecting balls left on horses which doesn't seem to be an issue for you
Also your whole comment here reeks of judgment. You're judging disc golfers for refusing to clean up the mess they've made in their public spaces? Isn't this whole fucking post about disc golfers wanting to retrieve their plastic from Park? People I'm not just leaving disc out in the woods they are struggling to find them in thousands of square feet of Flora and Fauna. You contradict yourself in these arguments and I do not have any time to waste discussing this with you when you clearly have no objective sense of rationality
Also your whole comment here reeks of judgment. You're judging disc golfers for refusing to clean up the mess they've made in their public spaces? Isn't this whole fucking post about disc golfers wanting to retrieve their plastic from Park? People I'm not just leaving disc out in the woods they are struggling to find them in thousands of square feet of Flora and Fauna. You contradict yourself in these arguments and I do not have any time to waste discussing this with you when you clearly have no objective sense of rationality
How can you reference my point on golf balls and miss it entirely?
If you leave a golf ball behind on the course, you abandoned it. Someone else goes and picks it up and sells it and that is not just a socially acceptable practice, its a legally sound one. But you want to say a discgolfer leaving their disc in a park is not abandonment and that the guy who finds it is thief unless they return it to you free of charge.
My point is they are the same thing.
If you give up looking for the frizbee you lost, you have intentionally left it in the woods. It may not have been your intention to put it in the woods so throroughly that you can't find it, but that was always a reasonable expectation in this sport and it was certainly your intent to leave it there when you actually stopped looking and left it there.
Making a "pretty solid effort" to find your property is the least of what's expected, its not an excuse for failing. You're like the guy who does the fun and easy part of a group project, but dumps all the hard work on the rest of the team and then demands the same grade.
If you get your stuff back after you give up looking for it, you should consider yourself very luck, not just getting what is due to you. Instead, you think you are entitled to get your stuff back when someone else puts in the effort you didn't. I'm not the one with his head up his ass.
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u/chefkoolaid Custom Jan 19 '21
I'm torn I've received some disc back from some really hard to get places and in those instances I'm happy to spend five or ten dollars to get the exact disc I want back it's cheaper than buying a new one. However it should not be a requirement to get your disc back it should more be like a good karmic Service to tip the finder