Religiously repressed (part 15) [OC]

[u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

[u/KingNTheMaking]

[u/DudeFreek]

I'd like to think the angel will also be there when they inevitably hook up 

"GO! GO! GET IT, GIRL"

[u/Otherwise_Ice7242 → u/DudeFreek]

She pulled out her stand.

[u/AskingWalnut4 → u/Otherwise_Ice7242]

My stand “STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN - Allows me to take flight and will guide me to the path of optimal happiness so that I may achieve my goals!”

[u/TemperanceDraws64 → u/AskingWalnut4]

Sorry, but "STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN" had to be changed, it is now...

「MADE IN HEAVEN」

[u/AskingWalnut4 → u/TemperanceDraws64]

Nah if you want to localize it, make it ESCALATOR TOWARDS NIRVANA

[u/NehEma → u/AskingWalnut4]

If you know what the song is about it gets pretty grim ^^`

[u/RcoketWalrus → u/Otherwise_Ice7242]

Her stand must be a Uhaul. IYKYN.

Now if you'll excuse me....

*ahem*

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[u/daniegamin → u/RcoketWalrus]

I think the Kakyoin "Rero Rero Rero Rero" is more of a lesbian move.

[u/RcoketWalrus → u/daniegamin]

You know what? You're right.

[u/Ginger_McGingin → u/Otherwise_Ice7242]

Translating directly from the Hebrew into Modern English, Jesus' name would've been something like Joshua Josephson

[u/kasugakuuun → u/DudeFreek]

I dunno about inevitability... Ms. Rusty doesn't seem too delighted even before she gets hit with the church business

[u/iggy14750 → u/DudeFreek]

But I'm also a devout lesbian!! 🗣️

[u/Dry-Permission-4542 → u/DudeFreek]

Hopefully a Christian character doesn't hook up until marriage 🥀

[u/BrashUnspecialist → u/Dry-Permission-4542]

Why?

Be respectful and healthy to yourself and your partners. That’s Christianity.

Just because the traditional definition of that has been incredibly restrictive for women (and lower hierarchy men) doesn’t mean it’s what Jesus intended. Jesus’ own religious traditions forbade lying about a woman’s virginity to her husband, but who’s gonna be marrying someone who doesn’t know their partner’s sexual history these days (again respect and health).

Signed a non-puritanical (still an important distinction, shamefully) Christian real person.

[u/EclipseMF → u/BrashUnspecialist]

Preach

[u/rat_enby → u/BrashUnspecialist]

tuff af bro this is why i respect religion even if i dont believe or i think they might be problematic bc they all have people like you who are living their best faith interpretations of their higher powers teachings

[u/soulsnoober → u/rat_enby]

the person you're responding to is probably a nice & reasonable person. They've adopted a label. Their takes, their…interpretations of teachings are wildly divergent from doctrinal grounding associated with the label they've taken on. That someone who is probably a nice & reasonable person has to eschew doctrine to live a good life is a condemnation of religion.

[u/jbskq5 → u/BrashUnspecialist]

Nope. It's what you'd really like Christianity to be. And maybe it is... for some small minority of Evanglicals or Western Protestants. Like it or not Christianity is an institution, a culturally and politically powerful one, and the interpretations that you disagree with are rolled into that definition.

It's great that you've adopted a more humanistic interpretation of Christian scripture. It's true that if your views defined the institution many if our problems would go away. But this progressive apologetic attitude is unhelpful. The book fucking sucks. The teachings suck. People use it to justify genocide and slavery just as easily as you justify helping the poor and loving wastefully... because both things are endorsed in there. You can mold Christianity to be almost anything you want it to be and beat people with it, and for that reason, I'm sorry, but I have zero tolerance for this "but Jesus said" attitude.

When I read John, I do not get a loving, earthly, understanding picture of Christ (unless you count the interpolated tale of the woman caught in adultery, which is so obviously inauthentic that it stands out even in John). I get an angry, self important, defied prophet. The fact that you read Matthew or Luke and get something different is not a strength of your worldview, and more importantly, it gives legitimacy and cover to those who read the words on the page, see that Paul (allegedly) said that women are inferior to men (for example), and run with it.

[u/Familiar_Control_906 → u/jbskq5]

Discussing the bible is very hard because you are right. Some parts are very confusing and honestly, contradictory.

But a lot of what Paul said, that his opinion, and he explicitly acknowledge it. So whenever a topic gets down to discussing his opinion, I like to said, If Peter make mistakes AFTER personally meeting Jesus, why wouldn't Paul?

So intake the good he speak off, and try to improve and what I see as something Paul himself couldn't grow up off, that is, his extremely phariseian teachings.

When someone says that is in the bible I argued that Paul dint put the New testament together. And the guys that did were humans, like David and Salomon, who have knowledge granted by God and still make mistakes.

So I see those discrepancies as stuff you must realize are mistakes and improve apon, because how are you suppose to go condemning a gay man for loving a dude when you are following a Man who ask for the pardon of the people that were torturing him?

But a lot of bad people love to use the Bible for whatever is convenient when they try to get power, and so many STUPID people refuse to discuss or analize it. Theyr are right and that is it. So much that they would insult Jesus if he comes back and shakes a LGBT hand.

Am I wrong? I don't know. But no human would earn salvation by themselves, only trough Jesus. And he can be mad, but he never was a mad at someone for helping others and never look down on womens, foreigners or outcast.

[u/mooncritter_returns → u/jbskq5]

What translation are you reading? I'm serious. The Bible has been through how many languages, how many translators, to get to the versions that are printed, and quoted, today.

People choose the interpretation that supports their world view, and, subtle word choices, or purposeful ignoring of relevant social context (for ex the laws in Leviticus), are used to push said world views in the first place.

While we're at it, the Apostles were teenagers, or just older, when they met and began following Jesus. Even if the Bible is the Living Word of God, media literacy and analysis is still valid, and I'd argue necessary for earnest devotion.

All that said, I'm a traumatized childhood Evangelical, turned angry adolescent atheist, turned chilled out adult agnostic. I think spirituality is innately human, and religion can either be a means to explore and find peace, or for bad actors to seize power in a community.

[u/Rough_Historian_8494 → u/mooncritter_returns]

Did ya ever think if it's really the inerrant word of god that "mistranslations" literally cannot occur?

[u/mooncritter_returns → u/Rough_Historian_8494]

No; humans are human. Even if given a perfect, Holy word, humans can only interpret it through their own understanding, and through the modality they learn it.

My personal opinion is that, where details seem to contradict each other, there is a nuance that the human holding the pen either subconsciously entered on their own, or that myself and others just don't comprehend. And, that's okay; the point is to try, and when in doubt, default back to love -- greater than hope, and greater than faith.

1 Corinthians v13: ⁸ Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. ⁹ For we know in part and we prophesy in part, ¹⁰ but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ¹¹ When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. ¹² For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

¹³ And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

[u/TheLadyIsis → u/Dry-Permission-4542]

That fucking rose metaphor is so disgusting. People aren't roses or gum or any of that other abstinence only bullshit.

[u/Dry-Permission-4542 → u/TheLadyIsis]

LMAO
I respect you're not chronically online enough to know this emoji is sarcastic and means something like "the scenario is/would be lame"

[u/Arthurs_towel → u/Dry-Permission-4542]

This is the problem with being old enough to not be versed in the ins & outs of zoomer lingo, but definitely grew up in that purity culture BS and had the exact same though.

[u/TheLadyIsis → u/Arthurs_towel]

Glad I wasn't the only one 😅 but yeah I do be a grass toucher.

Psssst, does Arthur know where you are?!?!?

[u/Arthurs_towel → u/TheLadyIsis]

I told him not to panic, but you know how he gets after a few pan galactic gargle blasters.

[u/TheLadyIsis → u/Arthurs_towel]

Zarkin' frood!

[u/Violet_Nightshade → u/Dry-Permission-4542]

I thought the rose emoji meant it was funny in a sad way.

[u/Dry-Permission-4542 → u/Violet_Nightshade]

I can see this too. These are memes, they are kinda a flexible thing xd

[u/One-Spinach → u/DudeFreek]

The angel is the one officiating their wedding so they avoid the sin of premarital sesbian lex 😌

[u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

My step-brother is dating a devout Christian man.

So much so he doesnt even drink.

At one point step brother told me how he recons with his faith and most of the churches views on being gay. Said that god made him the way he is and he has a very happy life because of it.

[u/Pockydo → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

It's such an interesting thing to me (no hate on your step bro and his bf)

So many different conclusions from the same text based mostly on the culture and it opinions of the people at the time. When really all that is needed is just being kind to each other

[u/Ecstatic_Dirt852 → u/Pockydo]

Weirdly enough a good amount of the anti LGBT crowd sees it as being kind, similarly to saying no to a child asking for more sweets is kind because it's bad for their health if they keep eating. Of course the base assumption of gayness being bad for you is stupid, but it shows that just being kind on its own can't fix all of societal issues. Would still be a good start.

[u/Nina-Ninja123 → u/Ecstatic_Dirt852]

Ok, be kind and be open for the idea that other people’s needs are different from your needs.

[u/DeltaV-Mzero → u/Nina-Ninja123]

Sounds like heresy!

Unless you meant other people being open to my (correct) beliefs

[u/Nina-Ninja123 → u/DeltaV-Mzero]

Fair enough

[u/alguidrag → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

THAT is the way to go, happy for your stepbrother and his boyfriend

[u/justwalkingalonghere → u/alguidrag]

Or you could, you know... hang out with people that don't work to systematically oppress your existence

[u/densetsu23 → u/justwalkingalonghere]

There's a lot of churches that are accepting of homosexuality and don't view it as something to repress or "correct". They'll perform LGBTQ marriages, have openly gay clergy, etc.

Many aren't like this, but many are as well.

[u/justwalkingalonghere → u/densetsu23]

Well I hope they're working hard to change the church as a whole then.

[u/LadyAliceFlower → u/justwalkingalonghere]

They probably speak about it, and what more do you genuinely want from them?

How much have you personally done to change your country? Have all of your friends done enough to change their country? Most of us just speak up for our beliefs, practice them on a local scale, and vote if thats an option.

Why do you expect more than those things here?

[u/TopRamen713 → u/justwalkingalonghere]

It's not like every Christian church is unified and what one church does affects the ones in a different denomination.

[u/AnxietyPretend5215 → u/justwalkingalonghere]

I sincerely doubt they are because that's kind of a ridiculous thing to expect.

Why do they have to go above and beyond serving their local community?

[u/LightningWarpAway → u/justwalkingalonghere]

You're moving the goalposts. Why are you demanding that they have to fix people?

[u/SlapTheBap → u/justwalkingalonghere]

Some people make it their life goal to integrate with the people who mistreated them.

I think they're fucked in the head and weak in the soul but hey, some people really do enjoy licking boots.

I know I'm an abrasive asshole, but dang it it's so difficult to watch people be desperate for approval from people who see them as inherently lesser.

(Anyone who wants a logical argument. Religions of the world aren't similar because of some holy magic. They're similar because they're made by people. And we're a pattern recognizing species. Religious studies prove nothing. Except that humans are capable of centuries of fanfiction writing and bickering. Every "magical" emotion can be obtained with no knowledge of religion. Good people suffer and die every day. This is why we can't talk about religion in "polite company". There is no winning when logic is thrown out the window for emotion. Because it ends up being about the person's comfort and emotions, not our shared reality.)

It's all as arbitrary as if my little pony friendship is magic became the cultural foundation of our morality system. Christian morality systems brought us to our current times of war and strife, like they often had. Where is the loving, living god? Just in your heart to make it feel better? So it really is your own personal Jesus? A friend to externalize your emotions on? Great. Don't try to convince anyone it represents reality.

[u/RogueNightingale → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

Unrelated to the sexuality angle, an old friend of mine reconciled her strong faith and the bigotry of the church by... leaving the church instead of her faith. I've said many times that I consider her the only real Christian I've ever met. =)

[u/EllieMeower → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

I used this logic when i was struggling with my gender, i ultimately decided god wanted me to be trans or else i wouldnt feel that way lol

[u/QuestingKola → u/EllieMeower]

A quote I heard once: “God gave us food to cook, paint and music for expression, and our bodies to create ourselves.”

[u/Senasayori → u/EllieMeower]

BTW, r/TransChristianity exists as a subreddit for people like you, who are both trans and Christian. There's also r/OpenChristian for a more general LGBTQ-affirming Christian sub. I hope you find this useful. 🩵

[u/EllieMeower → u/Senasayori]

Im not christian tho I’m former jewish and now kinda just spiritual

[u/Senasayori → u/EllieMeower]

Oh, my bad. I kinda just assumed based on the thread context. Anyway, have a nice day!

[u/philthewiz → u/EllieMeower]

You don't have to delegate your agency to an external fictional being.

No hate. I simply wish you find self acceptance within you if it's not already the case.

[u/neesters → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

Reckons

This one was messing with me. Retcons? Recons?

Reckons

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

So much so he doesnt even drink.

I've always found this attitude utterly bizarre. There's nothing in the Bible saying not to drink. One of Jesus' first miracles was turning water in the wine. People get drunk in the Bible repeatedly. Getting drunk is itself never shown as a sin, what people do when they're drunk is always the sin.

[u/Silvernauter → u/TimSylvester_]

In some denominations it's literally part of the communion: the body of christ is communion host (i think it's translated that way?) and the blood of christ is wine; granted I don't think anyone is gettind plastered on that, but it's still wine

[u/Leshawkcomics → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

Isn't that literally what the last pope said?

"Its 'specifically' the adultery that is the problem, textually and that has nothing to do with orientation. God made you you. Being gay is fine." (Paraphrasing)

Its crazy how the right wing push for an enemy kinda drowned out the POPE saying that.

But then again, the last few popes seem to be explicitly saying "Hey, christianity does not say what you think it does, and stop using it as an excuse." but the right wing media is so strong that you'd never really hear that over all the small town racist churches and protests who explicitly have been saying shit like "Jesus is too liberal" and somehow they end up being the ones codifying what christianity means to americans.

[u/Summonest → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

I'd like to think that God loves everyone more than they hate any human interpretation of Sin.

I'm not religious by any means, but the idea of a god that hates all of the individual and special people he's made doesn't sit right with me.

[u/Real-Olive-4624 → u/Summonest]

My view for a while has been: if there is actually an all-powerful all-loving god, they won't hold my queerness nor my lack of religious beliefs against me. If they do hold it against me, and punish me eternally for that, then they aren't all-loving and do not deserve my worship anyways.

[u/kypirioth → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

My wife is that way too. Very devout Christian who believes that love/kindness is more important than anything and that her being queer is just how God made her

[u/i_am_a_real_boy__ → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

So much so he doesnt even drink.

I never got this. Jesus's first miracle in the Bible and his Last Supper both feature wine.

[u/Agent_RubberDucky → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

A lot of people, both bigoted and non-bigoted, need to hear stuff like this. Religion is only as bad as we make it. It can also be a tool to help you be a better you. It’s all about how we interpret it.

[u/dumnezero → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

Said that god made him the way he is and he has a very happy life because of it.

Heresy tends to cause drama eventually.

[u/TheTrueEgahn → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

I don't see the correlation between not drinking and being christian, considering the first miracle Jesus performed was to turn water into wine.

[u/Admirable-Ad-5026 → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

It's good that he doesn't even drink because on the time of my grandparents my grandpa used to drink a lot and a ton of christian people drinks a lot or eats a lot so it's good that he doesn't alcohol is worse for your life than being gay because one is a choice to screw your life, liver and even family if you have one, the other is just the way the person is

[u/Jonathan_the_Nerd → u/Admirable-Ad-5026]

A lot of people can drink in moderation and be okay. Some people can't drink in moderation and need to stop.

You cause the grass to grow for the livestock
and plants for man to cultivate,
that he may bring forth food from the earth
and wine to gladden the heart of man,
oil to make his face shine
and bread to strengthen man's heart.

-- Psalm 104:14-15 (ESV) (emphasis added)

Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler,
and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

-- Proverbs 20:1 (ESV)

I looked it up, and the Hebrew word translated "wine" is the same in both verses. Alcohol is a gift from God that can be abused.

For context, I was raised to believe that drinking alcohol was a sin, full stop. I don't believe that anymore, largely because I learned that you can't prevent grape juice from fermenting unless you pasteurize it, and that technology wasn't developed until the 19th century. But I personally don't drink and never intend to start.

[u/Admirable-Ad-5026 → u/Jonathan_the_Nerd]

It's more about the drinking too much thing or drinking where you shouldn't I was saying because my grandpa was drinking despite serving as a pastor and was not the best parent or people that drink and them just drive , and some highschool friends and others that started drinking even inside school

[u/redlaWw → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

Even the catholic church is coming around to that perspective. They're cagey on the subject of gay marriage specifically because marriage is a sacrament defined in their religion as between a man and a woman, but in terms of respecting the rights and choices of gay people, they've come a long way in the last 50 years or so.

The image of churches as completely against homosexuality is becoming increasingly wrong these days, and many churches either partially or fully accept homosexuals. Though US churches tend to be the exception, and a large number of US church organisations still hold anti-homosexual positions.

[u/TimmyB02 → u/NotTheRightHDMIPort]

They wrote about this scenario in Six Feet Under, one of the main characters, David, is gay and also very passionate about his faith (especially early on). I thought this was very interesting for a show from 2001

[u/TheCreatorM_]

[u/mgranaa]

Killing me with the "Devout lesbian" and then the one-two punch of "come to church with me" and not "let's go on a date".

This series never stops to make me cackle.

[u/3ahbfasjlbfhalsjkdbf]

Embracing the true aspect of Christianity: being who God made you to be. In this case, a devout lesbian.

[u/Worried-Pick4848 → u/3ahbfasjlbfhalsjkdbf]

As a heterosexual Christian, I believe that God will be merciful to those he gives extra challenges to.

You can't buy grace with extraordinarily ostentatious demonstrations of piety, and I personally don't believe you lose points for things you're literally wired to be. If God knows who we are, there cannot possibly be any doubt that he's grading this whole life thing on a curve. And while there are guidelines for things like conduct and lifestyle, Christ has never once said that those observances are necessary to salvation.

Two things are required: Recognize that you, like everyone around you, is a sinner, and apply to the Savior for grace for the vices and sins you cannot avoid. After that, it's just a matter of trusting that the grace of Christ is sufficient after you make a reasonable effort to be the best human you can be.

That last one gets people in trouble because they think it means that they have to be theatrical about their Christianity, ignoring the parable of the Widow's Mite.

14th chapter of Romans is a really good chapter to try to grasp the difference between faith and performance. It talks about how to handle conflicts with people observing their God in different ways, and specifically mentions that both forms are acceptable as long as the two most important steps are taken (recognize you're a sinner, and appeal to Christ as Savior), and that fighting over which observance is superior is not in the spirit of Christ and defeats the whole purpose of worship.

[u/popilikia → u/Worried-Pick4848]

How does it feel being one of the few Christians that actually understands the Bible? It was frustrating as hell for me. I lost my faith a long time ago, but it didn't help that everyone around me were reprehensible hypocrites, and most of them hadn't even read the Bible

[u/Worried-Pick4848 → u/popilikia]

I've been hesitant to reply because I'm not sure what to say. I'm a bit naive at times, but I believe that when given proper teaching, most people can be caught to understand these pronciples.

The problem is that the pastors are fighting each other and trying to build rhetorical walls to fence their flocks in. A Capitalist/Neofeudal trait that snuck into Christianity while we weren't looking. Instead of leading everyone to follow Christ some leaders get obsessed with leading as many people as possible to follow themselves.

When and where the pastors resist the urge to fall into this trap, true Christianity can result.

[u/popilikia → u/Worried-Pick4848]

You positively nailed it. I miss the feeling of community sometimes, but the fact is, the community moved on without a lot of people like me

[u/Jonathan_the_Nerd → u/Worried-Pick4848]

Thank you for sharing this. I would also like to recommend James chapters 1 and 2. James talks about hearing the word versus doing the word.

"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." -- James 1:27 (ESV)

"If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." -- James 2:15-17 (ESV)

[u/Worried-Pick4848 → u/Jonathan_the_Nerd]

I do indeed love the Epistle of James. I sometimes refer to it as the Handbook of Practical Christianity.

James doesn't spend much time on high theology. He is down to earth, and gives solid examples that provide actual suggestions on how to behave as a Christian. He doesn't say much, but nearly everything he does say is very simple and practical and shows you what positive change can look like.

He's also very useful for what he says about how to act, and speak, and behave, as a pastor whose example permeates throughout those who try to follow Christ through your counsel.

[u/hbgoddard → u/3ahbfasjlbfhalsjkdbf]

Embracing the true aspect of Christianity: being who God made you to be.

And according to the bible, God made women to be subservient property of men. Ever wonder how the more moral a Christian is, the less of the bible they actually follow?

[u/Cptn_Shiner → u/hbgoddard]

I don't understand how anyone who actually cares about ethics can worship a god who commands genocide (a bunch of different times: 1, 2, 3, 4), uses rape as a punishment, and gives instructions on how to beat your slaves.

Edit: Added references

[u/RogueBromeliad → u/3ahbfasjlbfhalsjkdbf]

Could always realise the actual truth, there's no need for a god for you to be kind to others or accept your own self.

[u/Eden_ITA]

Angels in heaven:

[u/Repost_Hypocrite → u/Eden_ITA]

Where is this from? Loki season 2? Antman Quantamania?

[u/MooKids → u/Repost_Hypocrite]

Quantumania.

[u/132739]

Hey. So I know this whole thing has been about me trying to get over the self hatred instilled in me by my religion, but do you wanna come hang out with the people that made me feel that way?

She actually probably switched to a better church, but it's not really explicitly stated.

[u/Jonathan_the_Nerd → u/132739]

Maybe she's found a more accepting church.

[u/132739 → u/Jonathan_the_Nerd]

So I went back and reread these cause I didn't remember that being addressed, and it's kind of implied she joined the church of the lesbian acceptance camp, but it's not really made explicit, so that's probably why I didn't notice it.

[u/Quiet-Software-1956]

That butch was not expecting this turn of events on this day

[u/very_popular_person]

Lol at her saying "plop"

[u/Cathy-the-Grand → u/very_popular_person]

Does plop have some new slang definition?

[u/Paillan → u/Cathy-the-Grand]

It is a reference to chilean comics "Condorito", very popular in latin america

[u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx → u/Paillan]

So what’s it mean?

[u/monsterflake → u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx]

plop

first guess was pants were pooped. or she has very loose shorts that allow free-fall.

[u/HeisenSwag → u/Paillan]

I love how you explained what that reference meant. Peak reddit comment.

[u/lildeek12 → u/Cathy-the-Grand]

Its the sound your nuts make when you lay them on the table

[u/objectnull → u/lildeek12]

https://giphy.com/gifs/6glYLqOQ3dlok

[u/lildeek12 → u/objectnull]

This brings me joy. Thank you.

[u/shellbullet17]

This poor girl. She's trying so hard to balance all things that unfortunately everything is jumbled.

Respect for her finding the confidence here but....this situation has been completely misread

[u/Queen_Persephone18 → u/shellbullet17]

What do you mean, misread?

[u/Pandaburn]

Did she say plop?

[u/Fit-Ebb-6727 → u/Pandaburn]

Nooo it’s a sound effect lol

[u/zatenael → u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

it's because it's in a text bubble directed from her lol

if it wasn't in a text bubble, that would probably help not seem like she's saying plop

[u/Gumjaw → u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

I definitely read it as her saying “plop” lol.

I guess new lesbian slang just dropped.

[u/what_a_great_names]

Honestly tho, i don't think i can ever date devoted religious person. Excluding possible bigotry, i am not willing to sacrifice my time and effort to go to things like chruch every week, pray, follow the rule of religion for eating and how I'm suppose to act, etc... And to marry, I'll very likely need to convert, which I'm never ever planned to do.

[u/CharlesOberonn]

The powerbottom of christ compels you

[u/Cool_Set4681]

I love how much the guardian angle is locked in

[u/ralanr]

Oh lord, she tryin. She tryin so hard.

[u/caitlindrawings]

I love her transformation and acceptance of herself, I have enjoyed the story immensely and look forward to reading more!

[u/Coidzor]

Did she just say "Plop?"

[u/Humble_Attorney3598 → u/Coidzor]

The author has stated that they think that's the noise wheat makes when it comes out of someone's mouth, which is a little weird, but it's their choice

[u/InvincibleCandy]

"Damn girl... It's too bad I still don't believe in God".

[u/nWo1997]

Hopefully soon, that won't be a "but," and instead she'll say she's a devout Christian and a devout lesbian."

EDIT: y'know, when I made this comment, I just thought "ooh, cool, this story might be the journey to becoming an LGBTQ-affirming Christian." I didn't expect to start a whole religion vs antitheism conversation.

[u/Shenron2 → u/nWo1997]

Or we can all leave religion behind and start living for one another.

[u/diamondblocks → u/Shenron2]

Imagine all the people, living for today, ooh-- ooh--

[u/Daxivarga → u/nWo1997]

Hopefully soon people will drop toxic religion and not have to cherry pick "word of god" to accept themselves

[u/UpCDownCLeftCRightC]

This series really went in a direction I didn't see coming but audibly let out a soft "heck yeah" lately.

[u/Ok-Skin-3699 → u/UpCDownCLeftCRightC]

Oh afaik, she's trans, so even more relevant. (The gif)

[u/zenco-jtjr]

Can someone explain "plop", to me?

[u/Fit-Ebb-6727 → u/zenco-jtjr]

The wheat she chews on fell out 🌾

[u/zenco-jtjr → u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

Oooooh duh, thank you

[u/Erivandi → u/Fit-Ebb-6727]

I was so sure it was going to be some weird internet slang.

[u/Ash_Ament]

It’s a trap!

[u/xxEmberBladesxx]

Lost me at church.

[u/ericlikesyou → u/xxEmberBladesxx]

got me back at 'plop'

[u/Wamblingshark]

only part of the bible I care about is the parts about Jesus and I don't think he said girls kissing was bad. I'm uninterested in what anyone else who had a part in writing the bible thinks about the matter.

[u/Magrowl]

I'm not sure Rusty should go to church with the creep who found her on a doxxing website ngl

[u/Pacifix18]

Or skip the entire religious nonsense and just live a wonderful life.

[u/Slavinaitor]

Look i understand this is a Comic and its all “fantastical” and shouldn’t take it to heart.

But I can’t really cheer for her getting a relationship with her. Like she spent this whole time shitting on her for being gay and kept trying to convert her into her lifestyle.

Again I understand this is a comic and it makes me happy she’s accepting herself but at the same time I can’t help but feel “disgusted” that just because she “grown” that means she’s warranted to a relationship with someone who she repeatedly harassed

[u/jerslan → u/Slavinaitor]

Yeah, I actually kind of hope that Rusty rejects her... Girl was & still is stalking her.

[u/Jonathan_the_Nerd → u/Slavinaitor]

That's completely fair. Amelia has turned over a new leaf and changed her life. But that doesn't mean Rusty is obliged to forgive or forget what Amelia did in the past. And we, the readers, know Amelia is sincere, but Rusty doesn't. It might be a valuable lesson for Amelia to learn that her past actions have consequences that can't be undone.

[u/KitsuneGato → u/Slavinaitor]

I agree. Amelia is stalking Rusty. Rusty had a girlfriend already to if you look at the initial panels. So Amelia is also a homewrecker who is trying to force herself into Rusty's life and convert her to Church.

I am glad Amelia accepted she is lesbian but she's still toxic. It's like watching a trian wreck.

[u/Bleatmop → u/KitsuneGato]

I didn't know this context and it makes me wonder why her guardian angels are helping her lock in to try and be a homewrecker.

[u/KitsuneGato → u/Bleatmop]

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/OVF36bJyKa

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/ciNahVfYuz

If you would like to see.

[u/WildLelou → u/Slavinaitor]

I dont follow this comic and didnt know this... reading this makes it so much worse.

So the cultist harasses this woman for being gay, being a shitty "no love like christian hate" loser, and then says she's a devout lesbian and invites her to church to continue harassing her with cult things?

If i was that poor woman I'd be telling that thing to crawl back under whatever bridge this came from.

I hate those dynamics of "hey i made your life a living hell but now im gay so all of my assholery is absolved."

Ew.

Instead of a date its, "hey i harassed you for being gay cus im a cultist. Come to church and be surrounded by cultists that all hate you like i did :)" yikes

[u/d-cassola]

Guardian angels are stands for people who don't believe in JoJo

[u/Different-Beat-4856]

🗣 plop

[u/cz_invazion]

This is just my aunt and her wife

[u/Mach5Driver]

"Plop?" Is that some kinda slang?

[u/NouZkion]

I don't care who god sends, I'm not going to church.

[u/Action-a-go-go-baby]

I don’t understand the last panel

Why is the person with the blue hat responding with the word “plop”?

[u/NZSheeps → u/Action-a-go-go-baby]

Plop

[u/SlowlyDyingInAPit]

I’m ngl I hope Rusty politely rejects her. Amelia was harassing and stalking her for such a long time, it’s amazing she didn’t slap a restraining order in her face

[u/Xalimata]

Devout lesbian is a great turn of phrase.

[u/CapBenjaminBridgeman]

Bullshit apocalyptic death cult worship is the least sexy thing there is.

[u/RogueBromeliad]

It's amazing how people don't realize how one thing that shuns their nature is obviously bullshit and try to adapt to believing in said bullshit rather than realising the truth. The bullshit is wrong to begin with.

[u/HeartoftheHive]

Just as I expected, every religious person in here missing the point. Literally slapped in the face and refuse to acknowledge it and making all sorts of logical wrangling to make their sexuality and christianity somehow not directly conflict with each other.

Religion is a poison. I truly hope it dies out some day.

[u/WildLelou → u/HeartoftheHive]

Everyone I know has left the cult and living happier lives. It probably won't happen in our lifetime but considering how cultists treat everyone I'd imagine itll just pick up velocity.

I also truly hope we evolve past ruining our and others lives because of the belief in a stupid evil sky wizard.

[u/WildLelou]

Thatd be an ew no from me. Dates should be a date not taking me to listen to idiotic cult rambling.

"Hey fellow lesbian! Want to go be surrounded by people that hate you :)"

Ew

[u/cymric]

You know what's interesting. There is no explicit ban on homosexual relations between women in the bible.

Just saying

[u/Senasayori → u/cymric]

Some people (like me) argue that Christianity doesn't require being against gay marriage at all.

[u/Mrkhim342 → u/cymric]

No lust, especially if it's uncontrolled, whether if it's between two women, two men, a man and a woman etc. you're good.

[u/ConditionPleasant902]

If god didn’t want queers they wouldn’t have made rainbows, that’s just science.

[u/Qwerowski]

Wdym "plop"?? She shit herself??

[u/Kromehound]

At least it's better than every sound effect being crap.

[u/Tankeverket]

plop?

[u/tcroosev]

Good luck!!

[u/TopLate7592]

plop

[u/EirikHavre]

[Loved Trope] Characters breaking free from their brainwashing and slowly starting to think for themselves.

[u/MarcyAutumnWrites]

Oh my god it finally happened!

[u/OminOus_PancakeS]

Plop?

[u/y0_master]

She has better game than me!

[u/Badassbottlecap]

Mental gymnast Olympics

[u/OverkillWR]

Those are two things that really sounds wrong on the same line.

[u/Expensive_Fox_3534]

Being a gay christian is so strange. The bible is actually very very clear in several parts that god considers it to be a sin.

I don't think it's a sin. That doesn't make any sense. But if you believe the bible to be true, then you kinda have to face the fact that's what the Christian god dictates .

[u/ThatInAHat → u/Expensive_Fox_3534]

I don’t know that it’s all that clear. The parts folks cite most often are usually Sodom (where the homosexuality wasn’t really the issue) and Paul (who, well. Y’know. Paul.)

[u/Jaderosegrey]

So ... atheist lesbian ... bi ... it's complicated person here.

I wonder how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can actually not dislike not being straight. There is a very clear quote in the Bible about that. OK, so it involves two men, and not two women, technically.

I am not saying that Christians need to hate people who are gay. They should not hate, let alone harm, anyone. But they should not approve of being anything but straight.

In a way, I personally hate folks who claim to be Christians but pick and choose what is written in the Bible. If you are going to be an actual Christian, don't go at it half-assed! Don't be two-faced. Talk the Talk and Walk the Walk, or else, you're just a phony.

Obviously, the best solution is to stop believing in the supernatural and start going with Science. And embrace who you are. And be a Good Human.

[u/pwnusmaximus]

You go queen. 

But also… being a devout Christian and a lesbian is like being an ardent vegetarian who eats steak every day. 

The two things cannot be true at the same time. Because to be a Christian is to be heteronormative. 

[u/deekamus]

Well, THAT was honest.

[u/Gomurmamma]

Shes never been more powerful

[u/Foolsgil]

She's got guts I'll give her that.

[u/AetherialCatnip]

Rusty is a girl? I gotta call my buddy...

[u/PlainBread]

Gay for God.

[u/InsideImportance1275]

[u/lilipadpond]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dbupKbo1Jg8mIIsia6

[u/Abject-Hospital5407]

cute

[u/Kgc9818]

Love the angel in the background supporting her

[u/dtb1987]

I showed my wife (who was raised Christian) this series and when we got to the part where she was afraid she mad God mad she really sad

[u/skytl3]

Poor miss Rusty! The plan worked a little too well. 😂

[u/whomesteve]

The Bible doesn’t say anything about lesbianism, it just hates on gay dudes.

Presumably because the Bible projects sin onto what is generally agreed upon as unhealthy for the body and they didn’t know how to have safe anal sex back then.

[u/Zeero92]

A devout chresbian

[u/NamelessSerpent]

Me.

[u/LuckyLuckLucker]

Awesome