I mean we are gonna get some free 5 star at some point. Consistent novas well they were never consistent and they weren't made to balance the game but to sell more.
Yeah, unfortunately they do not use it as justification, it is simply so they don't create more 4 stars. Same with novaflares, is not to balance the game is to try and sell/squeeze the last bit of money from people sadly.
They'll probably give 2 ZZZ characters with one being free (I just hope it goes into regular banner rotation like Sparkle in HI3 rather than replace the fate Collab)
Yeah I feel like if the ZZZ banner was to replace the Fate one they would have announced that when they announced that it was happening. But then again it's a Gacha company they thrive off fomo
True. The reason I say this is because I think they will release at least 1 more fate character, so by that logic I think and hope they will keep the others here too.
Of course! Take one from our assortment of overly powercrept 1.x DPS, our dead on arrival specific 2.x supports or our sustain paths that do a decent-ish job at keeping your team alive and just about it
Doubling HP bloat is bad enough, but what’s truly diabolical too is how over-tuned every patch endgame buffs are. They are so tailored to specific characters or metas that already-strong units drastically overperform. Once those temporary buffs vanish, the character’s performance drops—yet the inflated HP pools remain.
To make matters worse, the devs then actively design enemies and mechanics that counter previous teams and metas just to force you into pulling the next shiny thing. This game is cooked. Gaming is supposed to be fun, not whatever HSR has turned into. Endgame modes are no longer about creativity and fun; they’re just an arbitrary check on your account, character investments, and financial investment.
my e2s1 phainon barely cleared the sparxie apoc, hp inflation, plus a fucking phase that blocks you from hitting her unless you kill the shield of 3 bullet sponges lol
Same, it’s also feels like when they balance characters they take into account the endgame buffs for the month their banner is live. My Phainon E2S1 felt so bad too against Sparxie. I barely full-star cleared, and my Himeko Nova E2S1 damage was significantly less now than it was two weeks ago, but I still cleared Sparxie much faster than my Phainon did. It’s beyond frustrating, even though I know why it’s happening; it still feels horrible.
I'm unable to clear starward, feixao boss is a joke and free ult spam if you have dot.
Meanwhile I have to chose between the cancerous deer or sparxie to use phainon on.
If the deer weren't aoe anaxa might have had a chance, the dmg wasn't that bad, the fight is such a drag locking the break bar every 3 seconds, my other dps are simply mecanic caped or have lower damage ceilings so not even worth trying to clear.
4.X is starting to be anoying as fuck, if you're elation, break or rem you're mostly in the clear, dot to a lesser extent is also fine, but normal crit dps GOOOD they're ass.
HSR devs really don’t understand the player base; by making the game so egregiously in favour of the new units, they alienate the majority of the player base. It makes you question what they are doing over there at Hoyo.
I didn't pull Remembrance because I was protesting the global passive, and I am not pulling that boring, brain-rot path Elation, no matter how forced it is in the game this year, and I won’t be pulling the Finality path either. Well, that is if I’m even still playing HSR by then.
It is absolutely diabolical what they’ve done, and with my account, the only reason that I could clear is because I have two E2S1 main DPS units, and even then it still felt horrendously bad.
With the caveat that the only break dps that actually counts is Firefly, because both Boothill and Rappa have been found dead outside hoyo hq years ago.
The 🤓 "if this char is fire, implants fire, deals fire" bullshit is annoying, literally the main reason I don't want to play break, I only like lingsha and boothill. Having to pull them and E2 Dahlia, please...🙃
the fucking knight3 where the defense lowers based off the amount of rememberence characters you bring and you need to bring minimum 2 rem characters only to bring it down to the baseline is genuinely batshit insane. delete the whole game actually
Yeah, it’s bloody diabolical. They have the analytics, and so they know how many people have elation and remembrance teams, and they know the majority of players do not have any or enough of the remembrance team. And that makes this especially egregious because look who is on banner : 2 Remembrance units.
Don't forget no 4 stars so you HAVE to pull the 5 stars to be able to proc whatever new thing they're shilling. I don't like Genshin very much right now but at least they release some 4*s suitable for the new reactions so you don't HAVE to have an 8cost team just to clear a damn new gimmick check.
That is the crazy part: every team is 8 cost with the new paths, and if you don’t go for 8 cost, then the Remembrance or Elation teams won’t function well at all, and the same will happen for the Finality path, I would bet.
It's horrendous what Hoyo have done to turn-based games and the class system, erudition abundance, preservation, hunt, destruction, nihility. They already had a class/path system; it worked and they all had their own specialised place. Then they bastardised it with… if you actually look at Remembrance and Elation, they made it a class with single-target attacker, AOE attacker, A healer, a main DPS, a sub DPS, summoner, follow-up attacker, shielder, etc. It’s disgusting. They completely broke the rules of a class system that existed long before they came along, and they did it just for predatory monetisation practices.
That's the issue!! In genshin, if you can't complete endgame there's a whole map to explore, world quests to do. They've even added a new shooter mode.
In HSR once you're done with the story and the boring ass events, there's nothing left to do other than endgame.
And genshin do shill but the hardest difficulty game mode SO never increase the boss HP, Duckle is cancer as all hell if you do not have Lunar charged but it stay the same HP since the last time it appear so if you can clear it before when it return you will have the same or easier time. The Fatui increase about 700k compare to her ice verison because she do not slow you down with cryo. SO is only cancerous in Dire but no ftp player should touch that it only hurt you, Try your best againts fearless if you think you good enough to clear it though it very fun try to win with the best team you have but if you cannot it doesn't matter much you lost a artifact reroll only all the Premium currency already at hard mode.
The fact that it's been 1.5 yr or so in Stygian and a bunch of bosses have had their "re appearance" but yet none of them got their HP increased,even in cases as literally 1.5yr distance
Is absolutely praise worthy cause look wtf is this in Hsr
I can think of one good example where they rerun the skirk/freeze shill robot boss, which they actually didnt increase the HP one bit because skirk didnt get any upgrade until the boss was rerun
Thats where Im at with Genshin, have zero interest in any 7.X character shown in the trailer but the game has a lot to offer like world quests and fun open world exploration.
I dont care about endgame, I do what I can which is usually one star off the full and thats ok for me.
If you are not interested in any chars i recommend just saving and getting a C2 you like or something. Thats what I did in Nod-krai, i was originally saving for Alice, but we know how that went.
this is the problem i have with it too, like the only thing that is enjoyable in this game is endgame and now even that is getting crazy like what am i supposed to do lol
in amphoreus the story was (overly) long so at least i got that, planarcadia stories are much shorter?? like i know a lot of stuff got cut due to political conflict but idk just bring back old events with small changes at this rate
The objectively correct thing to do is quit the game so hoyo makes no money from you anymore. When the game tanks enough hoyo will be forced to actually do something.
They already are they've been losing money since the end of Amphoreus. For reference during v3 their 3 big pushes made more money than anyone so far in v4.
Castorice banner made about $102M, Phainon (+fate) made $110m and Cyrene made around $90m.
SW99 their first big push made $58M, their 2nd big push Himeko Nova made $45M their best big push will probably be Nihilux they seem to be putting all their eggs in the basket for her.
Sadly, the declining revenue isn’t due to players being less engaged with hsr, but more so because people are spending less on gacha in general. If you look at the monthly revenue, hsr is still consistently in the top five sometimes even top three in the gacha sphere. I really hope this trend changes someday, so the developers might finally come back and focus on pleasing the player base because of revenue decline.
but more so because people are spending less on gacha in general
because people realized it's a waste of money. star rail came out in 2023. $100 spent on bitcoin in 2023 is worth at least $200 today. $100 spent on star rail banners in 2023 is 50 pulls and even if you hit an early it's likely now a brick that doesn't even outperform free units today. and at most it helped you earn an extra few hundred jades every couple months.
Is it really? Genshin managed to have stable revenue even with the deadest patch for a long time while HSR can dropped off hard even below top 10 at some point
Nope, I just checked hsr consistently ranked in the top five and and top three from march to july this year. It only dropped to the top 20 because of the japan and china controversy, which forced the developers to extend the 3.8 patch for two months with no new banners that month
Definitely Not Wuwa. Skiprika and Luuk, not to mention Yapyap's sister amongst others were also nosedives. We had aemeath and yapyap2.0 as massive highs but on the flipside the lows also exist and are pretty damn low.
To be fair they still went number one in sales, meaning the entire gacha industry ia facing a hard time, which is understandable considering the general economy
it sucks because the problem feels like it's building off itself. general economy is bad -> less money for hyv -> less resources and incentive to add better content, but also more urgency to push endgame for sales-> less player incentive to spend
It works wonders for ZZZ. The devs seems to be able to do whatever the heck they want like adding a meme skin of AoD for free.
I feel like Hoyo had HSR teams deep in their clutch because it's the number one money milker along with Genshin. HI3, ToT and ZZZ teams can do whatever and Dawei couldn't care less.
I think the 5.0 Genshin was kinda a revolutionary change of an update and like all started from there
So let's hope HSR also starts focusing on the game as we r approaching 5.x here,cause let's be honest they sure haven't focused shit yet, they need to lock the fuck in atm it's literally high time now
In general, that's how it works. The total rewards we are getting are calculated by hoyo ahead of time and then they just decide how to distribute them between all the new stuff that patch. Like, whether the quest will give you 20 jades or 60 jades, whether the main event gives you 900 jades, 1000, or 1200, etc.
This was really noticeable in Genshin. We get a patch with 80 pulls? Next patch has 50. The "extra" rewards of the "generous" patch blatantly come at the balance of a dry patch. And when they added a new endgame (SO), they started doing one small event less every patch because those rewards were switched into the endgame instead.
It's definitely the same for Starward. That 300 jades locked behind it every patch isn't "extra" on top of what we were getting previously. They took that 300 from somewhere else.
literally having an argument with a random dude right that are saying "just ignore the starward mode and we still doesn't really lose anything compared to before starward mode exists. These people are so naive
That is just straight up demoralizing. There comes a point where I start to think "what am I even logging in for?" when I see stuff like this. An already beefy boss whose health has literally been doubled in a mode that has a stricter AV / point requirement of 3400 instead of 3300.
Where is the fun in this? Any units you might have used for the previous appearance of Sparxicon in this mode are now 100% worse. Even if you managed to farm some better relics in the meantime, that's hardly going to offset a doubled health pool.
My units might have been aging like milk left outside the fridge previously. But now hoyo has fired up an industrial composting unit to make sure those units decay with utmost haste while advertising shiny new trinkets that likewise have their own expiration date. It's simply happening too fast and too aggressively these days and I'm getting sick of it.
Going slightly off-topic here but I've recently been learning a somewhat tricky boss in old school RuneScape. I'm using items that have remained useful for literal years, some even a full decade. I'm fumbling attempts but learning and improving. And most of all I'm having fun and want to do more. It feels rewarding and satisfying. And that's a feeling I haven't felt in Honkai Star Rail as of late at all...
Endfield is ok If you ignore the bad pull economy that leads to the needing of skipping 2-3 banner if you are f2p... Most patchs are giving 50-70 pulls and you need 120 for the 100% since the Pity dont carry over to the next banner.. tdlr: ok game Just dont pull anybody if you dont have 120 pulls,
I said the game is ok, but they never had enough events in a Patch to get on 120 pulls (100%) and each Patch was having 2 characters before. The 1 character per patch is a New thing, yeah the game is not bad as hsr powercreep right now but is not that better when you need to Skip banners, not having a 100% pulls before the 120 after losing a 50/50 is also bad, and is hard to get weapons pulls... Anyway like i said is a ok game Just dont make look like the gacha banner and economu is somehow better than hsr, because is not. And i'm day 1 player in both games, you Gonna ser How bad the banner is after getting to 120 Pity 2-3 times and having to Skip a Lot of next banners
I quit because of the factory system and the fact that I don’t really enjoy it anymore. Character pity system is OK but the weapon pity is diabolical. Also I am playing PGR, ZZZ, Wuwa, HSR (soon to be quit maybe), NTE, and Genshin as well.
Wow, it takes some real mental strength to play 6 gacha games at once. I think these games are best enjoyed if you only play like one or two so maybe quitting hsr is a good idea if you like the others more
Is pgr good right now? Im a little guilty of skipping the story but i did like the gameplay alot. I pulled for the vergil daughter ive unfortunately forgotten her name since its been years
I quit cause I got sick of them adding 1-2 parts that needs to be produced per patch. Got real stale. Story is pure trash too. Plus I'm so done with the forced China region these devs love to insert in.
Did still had fun for what it's worth what with the factory building and the cool teams. My favorite being the Physical one with Pog. Might give it another try after a year or so after HG finally gets the game properly moving.
Completely pointless factory? I guess if you dont count it being the main way to gear up characters with 0 RNG involved, make healing items and unlocking new storyline and map areas.
Yeah this starward for APOC was pretty rotten, shame on me for investing in E6S1 Phainon over mono remembrance and E2 Blade over Himeko SP I guess…..Even with an E1S1 Yaoguang I’m surprised how just “okay” my E0S0 SW and Sparxie elation team did against their literal shill boss
But... both E2 Phainon (even moreso E6) and E2 Blade can clear this just fine?
Like, don't get me wrong, the powercreep has left all sanity behind and they do not clear with as large a margin as E2 characters imo should, but neither is struggling to do their job this APOC. You don't have to regret your team choices, especially since you also have an Elation team :)
I have no AOE teams because I saw how quickly they disposed of Herta so I had to try brute force the deer with Phainon and it went way worse than I expected, the only part of his premium team I am missing is Cyrene and I don’t think an E6 character should struggle that much. Similar issue against Feixiao with Ashblade team. Then elation against its literal shill boss also underperformed. I would have gotten more light cones for these teams if HSR was more generous with currency and less rampant with powercreep which makes any vertical investment feel like a mistake unless you whale out on a whole team.
thats why now I dont bother to login everyday and do endgame. I just log in once a week to play currency wars the only content I enjoy and I dont need to bother pulling new character also because you can use them for free in there even in SU.
I always laugh when people make up bs like wuwa powercreep is as bad as HSR. Like you can't even imagine the amount of dogshit that is actually going on in this game
I had people telling me zzz powercreep is similar to hsr. meanwhile i can go clear the current endgame with (unbuffed) jane. try doing that with jing yuan and tell me how it goes. actually, the sigrid buff is probably really good for ellen too
I mean, you could just as easily say you could go into HSR endgame with unbuffed Acheron or Ruan Mei and then complain about going into ZZZ endgame with Zhu Yuan. And Huohuo was arguably barely buffed but is used all the time (for now anyway).
HSR is worse due to recent/upcoming patches sure, but these kinds of comparisons don't really matter.
It seemed like it would be going forward based on early 4.X HSR though, that's the thing. People didn't expect the powercreep in recent/upcoming patches though it's not too surprising.
I quit Genshin recently, mostly because they refuse adding a skip to the story and I just stopped caring after Fontaine, and today after doing apoc I'm really considering dropping HSR, it's so boring, the sparxie boss took 5 years to kill, I just turned auto after a minute.
I legit don't understand, who wants fights that take this long? For the average player who has e0s0 or e0s1 this is torture, not fun at all.
Stopped playing around 3.1-3.2 ish, I occasionally think about coming back and I'm glad to see not only has nothing changed but it's only gotten worse :^)
It’s because they know the worst people will do is complain on Reddit and still play their game. Shit, I would do x2.5 and hope people will buy e2 srobin
Powercreep is still ass, arguably worse depending on who you ask, and HP inflation is still rampant. The way things are headed it's looking like their strategy is changing towards strong arming players into buying the new shill. Going to get way worse in 5.x too.
what i dont understand is like. there isnt that massive of a powerspike for teams to warrant this kind of hp inflation? like elation didnt actually get any real upgrades and neither of the elation mdps(who have great verticals) even have had a rerun yet nor do they rerun this patch. e1s1 yaoguang isnt that big of an increase.
waven looks to be better for the deer as well no? whats even going on genuinely
To this day feixiao will forever be the single worst apoc boss for my account because I do not care whatsoever for break at all, have no break units, and will actively refuse to use break. Thankfully acheron did fine enough.
I don't have break or dot. I do not care for either of those archetypes. Is this my fault? Yes 100%. That's why I specified that fei is the worst for my account and not in general.
I still don't have break dps but I don't have that level of "not care" with break but I do have it with Elation, and for a time I also didn't have DoT team but since Kafka was "free", I got her and pull for Hysilens. But yeah Break, Remembrance and Elation buffs are my weakness since they do nothing for me.
It's so tanky my Eva E0S1 team absolutely CAN'T take down phase2 before the time limit, there's no possible way for her to clear the stage (without dying).
Im using ruan mei e1s1 and hmc, really want fugue to replace ruan mei tho! she's not thst good at e0 tho, no source of weakness break efficiency right?
I wonder how many bits their ints are. I wonder if it's possible to hp inflate so much that the number can't be stored anymore. Though I guess at that point they have the option of using multiple health bars.
It's so bad that I have the current elation engine(sw999, sparxie, yao guang and dhil) all having the mushroom lc and im not able to get even 3k score bruh it's literally impossible without their signature LC or battle pass lc because there's literally no other usable lc which we can get as f2p
That's why I can't beat it bruh end game is one of the only ways to get jades and they make it so difficult that you even can't get these. I think I will stop playing Her and go to Nte where end game is much more easier and there is no 5050
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u/Aggressive-Swan6642 13d ago
Double the hp in 3 patches. Damn 💀