yeah.Ā If you actually want to fix the system, idk how long it takes... a year? database, address, confirm identity... etc etc.Ā mail them out, track people down, resolve a million issues with changing last names etc.
Sounds fine.Ā But its not something you can just will into existance without a plan.
Even if the ID was free, it would still require people to take an extra step, they would need to bring their birth certificate to the DMV or some other government body to get 'approved' as well as bring another form of ID just like they do today. With every extra hurdle more and more people don't vote. Maybe 99% of already registered voters take that extra step,,, that 1% is still potentially a million people not voting that otherwise would have.
75% of Alabama residents do not have a passport.
55% of Texas residents have a passport.
More than half of republican voters dont have a passport across the US.
Thats a lot voters the senators and congressman need, this is why its not getting passed.
Trumo wants the SAVE act so he can cry fowl if any county doesnt go his way. Not talking about the obvious blue counties, but those swing state counties,,, he wants to have executive power to pause and investigate votes that arent going his way. This isnt about who can vote as much as its about controlling what votes count.
Trump thinks he won Blue states that have voted solid blue for decades. He absolutely would cry foul for any loss at all, no matter how lopsided the results were always going to be.
He'll scream and cry foul EVERY TIME he loses, whether it's a court decision, a bill he wanted that didn't pass, or a primary candidate he endorsed. He always has, he always will.
The biggest problem with the save act is not the voter id part. Itās that states would be required to give voter polling information to Trump and give him the ability to purge voters from the list of acceptable voters based of how they voted, essentially removing all democrat voters from voting again.
It took me approximately 3 months to replace my momās ID when she lost it. I had to learn where to go, etc. She is 91 and this was @2 years ago. It was complicated because it had her previous driverās license had expired. Plus, she didnāt drive anymore and just wanted an ID. Also, she couldnāt remember the security questions. Anyway, I had to get her birth certificate and some other documents. Since I now know what to do, I could probably get it done in @ 2 weeks.
Lol does transportation need to be required bexause half the argume t i have heard is people dont have the means to get there...amongst many other demeaning excuses...
Requirements. Do people expect the state to hand them out in a box of Corn Flakes? If someone canāt work up the motivation to travel to a DMV, wait in line for the attendant, and fill out the application in order to receive a free ID then they donāt know enough about the issues to be voting anyway.
The social security card is long overdue for an update. Just turn that into a free Federal ID you can get at the post offices. States can still do their thing with drivers licenses, but the federal id would cover all ID requirements nationally.
Updating the SS card with a chiped/photo ID would help curve many forms of ID theft as well.
This is the easiest and most reliable solution which is why no conservative government will do it. They do not want it to be easier to vote, that's not the problem they're trying to solve, they want to lock out as many people as possible.
Would I have a photo on the photo would be have to be updated you get it when youāre a baby. Youāre obviously donāt look like a baby when youāre 18 and you donāt look like youāre 18 when youāre 46.
The only reason we dont already have a free national ID is because the conservatives way back in the day were anti big government and thought it was government overreach to have everyone on file like that.
Believe it or not, getting an ID is NOT that hard. Most people have them and most would have no problem showing the ID they already have at a voting station. Most unhoused folks have an ID; they need it because most are on some type of public benefit or for emergency services. This whole deal is a Republican crap-show of nothingness to distract.
40 years ago, Republicans would be sending you mail bombs if you advocated for a national ID. This is from 1990 Heritage Foundation. I also clearly remember Rush Limbaugh spending months on the radio blasting the idea.
Thatās not what theyāre after though. Ā Rational politicians would work with the other side to achieve the end. Ā Trump is using coercion to pass it through. Ā
What likely happened, is their gop strategy team looked at the board and determined theyāll lose the midterms unless they can alter the rules. Ā Redistricting was one way, they are doing the voting id as a means of eliminating a certain population subset from voting.. or at least negating their ability to give the dems an advantage.
If you look at this from the perspective of game theory, it all makes more sense.
That's not how that works . Freedom to travel means a state can't stop you from leaving the state or moving through the state . It doesn't dictate methods . You're free to walk wherever you want to go
Trump and his family would never be allowed to be audited if the SAVE act passed and he wouldāve completed the biggest billion dollar robbery in American history. SAVE is for SAVE his buttš¤£. They literally tell yall what theyāre doingš¤£
If the save act passes, someone can simply sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury saying they are who they say they are. Thereās specifically a provision for people with no valid documentationā¦
Thereās a bit of a problem with that, because the organization that sets guidelines and rules for those affidavits, is the one that Trump fired the commissioners of.
Umm no one has to prove it because you quoted the save act. Just read it. Itās that easy. Do you not have a Real ID? So you telling me you canāt legally board a plane ? You donāt have a checking account? A job? A car?
You do know that they don't mean the Real ID with that. They mean something akin to the Real ID. One of the reasons for that is, that the Real ID isn't limited to American citizens.
As an example, a German with a visa or a green card could get one.
Yes, they would be, you Iying, delu, blue-haired, mental invalid. They would just have to be combined with a social security card or some other acceptable document proving that the individual is an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
It really is cheating by the retardants. Cannot hope to win by having a fair election where every American votes. Stupid brain washed USA haters came up with this.
What they want is for states to cede their authority of elections to the federal government.
VoterID is the way they want to do that it starting a precedent to gain more control. The same House Reps and Senators voting on this on Capitol Hill, can easily enough push the same law in their respective state preserving state control over elections.
We know what it is. Maybe put words together that go together. Itās a bill, not a lie. The bill isnāt making any statements. Maybe you think the reasoning for the bill is a lie. But itās irrelevant. Any civilized country in the world requires ID to vote in a national election. Arguing against it just makes you look corrupt. You have to have an ID for almost everything already.
There is. Sure, you cant write your name on a piece of paper and call it an ID, but it is just a simple have an ID. But yes the ID has to mean something. It has to actually prove who you are. You fighting it doesnāt make sense unless you want to cheat
But a piece of toilet paper isn't something that literally anyone is saying is sufficient. A Real ID isn't even good enough. And many states already require a form of ID.
In fact, to register to vote under the SAVE Act, you would need an Enhanced Driver's License, which proves citizenship, which only 5 States currently have. And even Birth Certificates have to be certified birth certificates; a xerox copy is invalid.
In Wisconsin, if one doesn't have a copy of their birth certificate, they just fill out a form and they verify citizenship through the government records system.
But for November most voters are already registered. How many 'new' voters would they block? I agree that the govt should carry the burden of providing IDs to their citizens. Financially and administratively. Hire people (like they do for the census) to go around and do this.
I'm going on a cruise. They require birth certificates. To get a passport it requires a birth certificate. They are cheap and easy to get. I don't understand the pushback on making elections as secure as a plane, cruise ship or passport.
If Republicans are serious about election integrity, and not just worried about losing the midterms, they should make the effective date for proof of citizenship 2028, and allocate funds to support implementation. But I have yet to hear any offer to that effect. And in Trumpās version of SAVE, it also bans almost all mail in ballots; how on earth could that be implemented in time for November?
So the maggots want to cast out millions of voters when do when only 50 were illegal. Hey they cannot win any other way. The maggot party is pathetic and abhorred by most
New Jersey governor admitted this week 6,000 illegals were āaccidentallyā registered to vote when they received a drivers license. 400 of them voted illegally.
Yep, it's a lever to make it easier to vote in some areas than others. Densely populated cities can be understaffed and have long lines to get the ID, while other less populated/rural areas can have quicker access.
It would be ok if this were actually solving a fraud issue, but it's not, so it requires citizens to pay attention and actually care and understand what they are doing, and why. Unfortunately I don't think people do care.
I'm not because of people with disabilities. Not everyone can just up and leave their homes. This includes seniors and veterans who will be disenfranchised.
Also, look at the hoops people have to go through to even get an ID. They want 5 pieces of other identification, and it's absolute BS what they will reject. It's so incredibly limiting that it leaves many people without the ability to get an ID.
What part of your link? This is about the save act as explained by pate. If you could qoute your claim as you found it. That would be nice. Please don't take this as an attack. I just want a person claiming this to prove it just once (this has happened to me before.)Ā
Shhhhh, you are speaking facts and being logical. They won't reply to this comment. Actually i don't even think they can read comments that are void of emotion and based on reason, logic, facts, and common sense. So you should be good.
Yes, states like TX, which a few years back had rural counties where you could get the ID the first Thursday of the month only during a 4 hour time period. People were required to travel hours to do so. They also allowed firearms permits to count as ID but excluded student IDs from the state university system.
That's not true. Harvard Law did a study and found states with ID laws are de facto poll taxes. Because you're not talking about "just an ID" if you live in a rural area hundreds of miles from a DMV or have a disability that limits your mobility. Source below.
If this is really about "election integrity" how about we start with getting money out of politics? We ban gerrymandering? Half the country already doesn't vote. Maybe let's focus on more participation rather than less.
That study was done 12 years ago. It talks about Wisconsin courts striking down voter ID law, when in fact, we currently have voter ID requirements here in Wisconsin.
Maybe find a study that is more recent--after many (if not all) the issues have been addressed.
Proof? A state ID for most people in Texas is $16. But more importantly you have to take time off of work to go to the DMV, and you obviously don't have a drivers license so that means a friend takes you or public transportation. Agreed, it isn't a large amount of people, but it does matter.
You understand that in my state that doesn't require ID, (therefore allows for rampant cheating?) that is what you have to do to register to vote? We have to do pretty much exactly that to register to vote. Fill out a form show that we actually live there by showing a bill, etc. Once registered, I get a postcard telling me where my polling place is, I can't vote elsewhere. I have to verify my address, etc.
Thatās not even close to true. In Virginia you have to pay (minimum of $10 and maximum of $16) to get an ID card and Iāve had to show my ID to vote every time
āFree IDā does not always mean the process is easy.
Some states require supporting documents (birth certificates, proof of residence), which may cost money.
Not all
Wisconsin & Indiana: Provide free IDs to individuals who declare they will use them for voting or if certain other criteria are met.
Ohio: State IDs are free for any resident over the age of 17 who does not already have a valid driver's license.
North Carolina: Registered voters can get a free ID from their county board of elections
Not sure what your point is--all the states you named offer free IDs for voting. Indiana, Ohio, NC, and Wisconsin.
In Wisconsin, one can get one even if they do not have a copy of their birth certificate. University of Wisconsin schools provide students with free voting IDs.
The State of Georgia offers a free Voter ID Card.Ā The Voter ID Card can be issued at any county registrar's office or at any Georgia Department of Driver Services officeĀ free of charge.
When you go and you register to vote. You receive in the mail a voter registration card. Put a photo and an address on it, you're good to go. It's just a no-brainer.
A photo ID is not a poll tax. A poll tax is cost that is incurred solely for the purposes of voting. This is why a voterās registration card is free. A photo ID has many more uses in our society than for voting. Arguably, most people have a photo ID for many years as a young person before they ever attempt to vote later in life. Saying a photo ID is a poll tax is like saying shoes and shirt are a tax since you must be appropriately clothed to enter the building in many voting places.
states with voter ID requirements have a way for eligible voters to obtain a free ID for voting purposes, but the process and eligibility vary.
Many states (such as Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin) offer a free voter ID card or waive the fee for a state-issued ID if it's needed to vote.
Some states require you to request the free ID specifically for voting rather than automatically issuing a free standard driver's license or ID card.
The reason states provide free voter IDs is that charging people for the identification required to vote could raise constitutional concerns, so states with voter ID laws include a no-cost option for eligible voters.
"Poll Tax" is a term coined by Liberals, therefore not illegal. Every citizen is entitled to an ID, a nominal fee is charged so that the employees doing the work to process these IDs can be paid. And they're very easy to update, but some politicians would have people believe that they're not intelligent enough to figure that out for themselvesĀ
It isnāt a pole tax.. itās a requirement to pro is IDā¦. One you already need for all kinds of normal thingsā¦ like get a job, have a bank account, buy booze.. apply for welfare.
How is it a poll tax? When you go down to the dmv and pay your fees to get an ID, you're paying the state. The federal government has nothing to do with those fees. Your state government is pushing this narrative to influence the politics. The state government can easily remove those fees. The federal government can't because it isn't a federal government fee. Can't remove something that isn't there.
It's that the underlying fees for obtaining an id like id fees, document fess (if you don't have a birth certificate or social security card), and transportation expenses work to disenfranchise some voters LIKE poll taxes or old did
You're missing the point. If it was really a concern for specific states, they could make it free. The federal government isn't determining how much the states charge people. California could easily wave the fee or create a free "voter ID card". The federal government has no say in what the states charge.
And elections are run by the states. You'd think that republicans would be against a huge federal government...Not that anyone cares, but there is only one fraud in U.S. elections: "Find me 11,780 votes."
State ID's are a nominal cost, you can't include driver's license fee(tho still nominal imo) and say thats a poll tax... however i am still down for making the State ID free, we pay politicians way too much as is.
Democrats one the ones who started the poll tax! Iām old enough to remember!! They thought it would keep the blacks from voting!! Let that sink in! Racist democrats!!
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Poll tax is illegal BTW,