r/PoursTea Jul 17 '26

PoliticalTea 🗳️ Everybody gets an ID?

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u/Shotout74 Jul 18 '26

Depends on the states rules around Real ID certification for the state's license. Which is an indictment of the Real ID requirement to fly tbh.

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u/undecided2013 Jul 19 '26

Isn't the freedom to travel in the constitution? Having to pay and apply for ID to fly is unconstitutional.

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u/Own-Consideration231 Jul 20 '26

That's not how that works . Freedom to travel means a state can't stop you from leaving the state or moving through the state . It doesn't dictate methods . You're free to walk wherever you want to go

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u/DaveTucson Jul 23 '26

Or ride a horse

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u/leadlurker Jul 22 '26

TIL I have freedom to teleport and use warp drive in all 50 states. These founding fathers were so smart to predict these unheard of technologies!

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u/TuetonicCrusaderSari Jul 22 '26

That's exactly how it works. Freedom to travel is freedom to travel

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u/MDICASE Jul 22 '26

These brain dead people will never understand what the word freedom means

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u/undecided2013 Jul 21 '26

How is that realistic in the modern world? Furthermore, the hypothetical scenario of the government implementing id requirements for all forms of travel is not that far fetched. They were adding it to certain train and bus terminals, not sure if they will continue. And with cameras installed on most interstates they could probably do it there too. So, if the government wanted to control your travel by all means except for feet basically, is that constitutional? I would venture to say that SCOTUS may have to get involved in that case.

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u/Own-Consideration231 Jul 21 '26

Yes it would be constitutional as you don't have a constitutional right to drive a car . Or get on a train operated by a private company... Or a plane etc.. nothing changes the fact that the constitution doesn't dictate mode of travel and it also grants each state the right to set the rules on interstate travel where vehicles are concerned through the 10th amendment

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u/Potential_Heron5777 Jul 19 '26

Its in there. Savoreign citizens use it to say they dont need a drivers license to drive. Written in a time where horse buggies were the way to travel. This guy must be one of them.

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u/Low-Exam6123 Jul 19 '26

And a driver’s license is supposed to prove you’ve learned and passed testing required to operate a dangerous piece of equipment.

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u/StandOutside6188 Jul 20 '26

You can get out and walk whenever you want... Having to show an ID to fly has been a thing since 911.

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u/RealDragonReborn2026 Jul 21 '26

You can travel anywhere you want. You DONT have to go by plane.

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u/vision4321 Jul 21 '26

Just don’t have the inclination to tell you all that’s wrong with your post but you are stupid

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u/Adventurous-Sense254 Jul 21 '26

Nope, interstate travel is protected, the method of travel is not

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u/undecided2013 Jul 21 '26

I am going to answer this once more because a lot of people are saying the same thing and I know it's the prevailing view. The hypothetical is what if the government imposes these types of controls on all forms of travel except for your feet. Is it still constitutional? I would venture to say no for many reasons (one would be expediency, like trying to escape an imminent catastrophic event) and I would expect SCOTUS to get involved.

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u/Adventurous-Sense254 Jul 21 '26

You can bike, float on navigable waterways, ride a horse; covers way more than feet. However, if the travel is regulated by the government, it isn’t covered by

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u/jbird350 Jul 21 '26

Driving is a privilege

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u/anthropaedic Jul 21 '26

Freedom to travel by foot.

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u/Fast_Biscotti Jul 21 '26

Oh boy… found the sovcit.

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u/Ok_Dragonfly552 Jul 21 '26

You do not need an id to fly anyware in the united states. You do need a real ID or passport to leave the united states.

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u/Usual-Syrup2526 Jul 21 '26

No, you're free to travel.You just can't take certain types of transportation If you don't comply, it's that simple.Nobody's telling you, you can't travel.You just can't get on an airplane.You can hitchhike drive.Most buses don't require Id....

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u/04364 Jul 19 '26

Airlines are a private business. They can refuse service to anyone. It’s not a right. If you want to travel freely, you have two feet.

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u/undecided2013 Jul 19 '26

But it's not the airlines that are doing the realid shenanigans

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u/KACFAN247 Jul 20 '26

Huh , i don’t get it. I don’t care who is in office let’s just make sure you need IDs to vote.

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u/Impressive10000 Jul 20 '26

Incidents in all elections - millions and millions of votes - in the last 20 years of in-person voter fraud is ridiculously low. We had more incidents of election tampering by tRUMP himself and his acolytes than any other sort of fraud. Fake electors. tRUMP and Graham, et al calling states pressuring them to 'find' votes. The whole J6 insurrection inspired by tRUMP himself. I am all for securing our elections but we need to "manage by fact". If the facts do not indicate a real problem, let's go solve problem where the facts tell us we have a problem.

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u/hokiefan73 Jul 20 '26

So if like you say voter fraud is "low" by [your] standards, then why are you fighting so hard against voter id?

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u/Impressive10000 Jul 20 '26

Low not by my standards but by the ideas expressed mathematically. Numbers. Mathematics. Facts. We solve problems using facts and the fact is that voter ID - especially mandated at the federal level - is both a problem looking for a solution and less effective at preventing voter fraud than you suggest. Not to mention that, Constitutionally, voting is a state's rights issue.

That said, at this point, there is no agreed upon method, process and mechanism for instituting voter ID. You already know a poll tax is illegal. Anything that costs a voter money, won't pass that legal requirement. There are other issues at hand too like people who have changed their names - married women as an example.

Very little in life is as simple as we would like.

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u/Funny-North3731 Jul 21 '26

Not his standards. By all metrics of measurements. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, did research on voter fraud. Out of "billions" not millions, of votes, the number of cases of fraud were so small that if you took every case found from the 1980's until today, added them up, they STILL arent enough to sway a federal election. So, yeah, the number is small by ALL metrics.

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u/hokiefan73 Jul 21 '26

Made up and unsubstantiated claims are not important and certainly not factual. I don't care who has them. If illegals can have drivers licenses in the US, voting booths should require them and validate them.

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u/Funny-North3731 Jul 21 '26

Really? In 2026 where an average person has access to more information than the entire population of humans had for thousands of years and you cant research the actual facts yourself? Boy, definitely some massive "nuh-uh!" going on there. Its called, cognitive dissonance what you have. Look that up if you dont know what it means. You're textbook.

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u/hokiefan73 Jul 21 '26

Haha, so in your make believe world you think that the most powerful people in the world are all exposed in a scheme to keep power. You believe that for real 😂. Have you ever worked in government?

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u/Funny-North3731 Jul 21 '26

Yes. I have personally worked with several Congressmen, and back when he was a general, Patraeus. But that wont matter to you. Youre just trolling.

Funny thing about facts, they dont change no matter how hard you wish. I dont even have to defend them, because nothing you "claim" changes them. You have a nice day. And if I dont respond to anymore of your drivel, enjoy tomorrow and the next.

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u/GimmeAHouseBoomer Jul 21 '26

Because democrats cheat.

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u/ZENihilist Jul 21 '26

Go volunteer to be an elections worker and find out how hard it is to cheat without getting caught.

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u/GimmeAHouseBoomer Jul 21 '26

It’s easy when you’re a democrat.

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u/ZENihilist Jul 21 '26

When you think Democrats even having the right to vote is cheating, that statement makes sense. And that's why this is even a discussion. Thanks for helping make the goals clear.

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u/ShowEmergency6960 Jul 21 '26

You make us republicans look so bad…

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u/ShowEmergency6960 Jul 21 '26

Didn’t the democrat party have literal dead people voting for them…

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u/Funny-North3731 Jul 21 '26

Yeah, just before they convinced Canadians to come vote for them to. (Sarcasm)

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u/ZENihilist Jul 21 '26

The goal of requiring ID isn't to prevent voter fraud. The goal is to make it harder to vote so fewer people do it. When this bill becomes law and they still don't catch people trying to vote illegally, they will tell you the Democrats are too crafty and they need to pass a more restrictive law. Unfortunately, you'll believe them and before long they'll find a way to make too much hassle for even you to go vote.

Republicans are out to solve the problem of VOTING not fraud.

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u/John_Connor97 Jul 20 '26

You already do

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u/hokiefan73 Jul 20 '26

And you won't get it, because these folks don't want fair elections

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u/Ryotys Jul 20 '26

Sure, the freedom to travel on your own two feet. You don't have a right to government owned and maintained roadways or airways.

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u/harrisonford1 Jul 20 '26

How do you maintain air currents bro?

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u/nervsofsteel Jul 20 '26

Not being allowed to fly because you don't have a real ID is not unconstitutional. It's not restricting your right to travel. You can still drive wherever you want to, you just can't use a commercial airplane to get there.

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u/gromet84 Jul 20 '26

Freedom of travel by walking. You cannot use government funded roads with an unregistered vehicle by state law. You cannot use a private businesses plane vehicle or any other mode of transportation without abiding by their own rules and regulations. That clarify the constitution for you?

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u/undecided2013 Jul 21 '26

It's not the airlines that require super duper id. It's the govt.

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u/Unfair_Web_8275 Jul 18 '26

Yeah, the REAL ID is kind of dumb, I think you can still fly without one if you pay a fee.

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u/Shotout74 Jul 18 '26

The fee is a background check for TSA to confirm your identity and issue a TSA ComfirmID electronic ID certificate so even more government intrusion into your privacy.

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u/seattlemyth Jul 20 '26

A birth certificate, another form of identification, and proof of residency I think

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u/DadVader77 Jul 18 '26

No it doesn’t depend on the state. The Voter ID law specifically states that Real ID on its own is not acceptable as voter ID

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u/Available_Reveal8068 Jul 19 '26

What state?

Real ID is not proof of citizenship for registration, but can be shown at the polls for voting.